Betting on Random Shooter

[@36FullPressCraps]

This is my favorite one bro!!

[@jamesm710]

Two problems with 2 rolls and dump. 1) is you will miss out on possible long profits rolls. 2) if POS (point out 7) it will takes 2-3 rolls to make up the losses.

[@lovzfish]

tried your random .shooter strategy the other day. Worked great $185 winner in no time.Going to Vagas next week will be trying it again. thanks and keep up the great vids

[@El_Toro]

Congrats! great to hear when folks experience better than expected results. Good luck in Vegas! Thanks again for the positive feedback.

[@josephrusso2069]

Loves this strategy. I am guilty of keep on pressing. I loved seeing you take your money and then putting it back up after they hit the point. I have seen many times after the short roll and they roll a seven. And the money is gone. Keep it up.

[@bradsukut]

very nice. I used the strategy to do two days ago. The beginning was very bad. but I kept use the strategy. I got my money back quickly

[@thefanking]

I started playing in Jan of this year after spending years in poker tournaments. At 61, they're getting to long, so during one tourney, I watched KZbin videos on the very basics of how to play. Thanks to StageTechMarine(among the other 'greats') for the basics and, especially the $300 low risk strategy that involves playing the Don't Come. It was more complicated than most, but it worked wonders. From there, I stumbled upon the Bone Thrower, and I was hooked. I built my first throwing table out of an 8' plastic table with cardboard for the walls. At least I had a piece of diamond rubber for the back, and I made it a somewhat bouncy table with underlayments. Now, I've built a 4' X 6' throwing table that is the real deal and I throw constantly. Luckily, I came across El Toro recently and everything he says makes mathematical sense to me. Your videos are excellent, the sound is perfect, and you are very easy to listen to. Going to Vegas next week and will definitely be using this system of playing random rollers, as well as your $200/$1000 system.

[@El_Toro]

Thank you Jim, let us know it works out for you... Always appreciate positive feedback and actual testimony.

[@michaelbasile3744]

Finally! A great strategy for the lazy rollers that don't practice their craft but live at the casino. I average about $100 in the black when I roll but by the time the dice get back to me, I'm in the red by about $200. I'm sick of getting my ass handed to me by these random rollers. Using this strategy the next time out. I'll keep you posted on results. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[@BigJParlay79]

Like the random roller strategy ET... Will be in vegas in a month and will give this one a go when I'm not shooting. Keep the videos coming, love em!

[@sluicer4089]

Really liked it, smart betting and staying up on the ATS. Patience is a beautiful (and profitable) thing.

[@michaelbailey995]

I like this strategy for random rollers,.I will practice this one on my practice rig and use this at the local casino and in Vegas, great tip!! Keep on rocking El Toro!!

[@bs2841]

I love this! Thank you! I was always in out for the short game and then when the randy went off I would miss out.

[@El_Toro]

Bradley Stendahl glad you like the content. Thanks again for the positive feedback.

[@michaelbasile3744]

This is the best strategy I've found for betting on others. Most strategies are about putting more money on the table when the odds of a 7 are becoming higher and higher. Those strategies don't make sense and don't work. Since using this strategy, I've consistently had modest wins at the table. I now feel better leaving the table with modest wins rather than the highs & lows of blow up losses and blow up wins. I guess I'm maturing as a craps player. My motto for the craps table: pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. This strategy is right in line with this motto. Thank you, El Toro!!!!! This video has sincerely changed my life. #forevergrateful

[@scotthuffman6089]

I agree with you about bringing down your bets and standing and watching as lots of numbers are being rolled. My great uncle used to have a saying. A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. I usually take my bets down after I have made one or two hits and wait for the next seven to come up. Just my way of doing it.

[@El_Toro]

Hey Scott, thanks for watching. Your absolutely on target with how you approach a random shooter. So this strategy I developed was designed using probability and mathematical outcome of dice around random shooters. One to two hits is good, however you are leaving yourself just a bit short on profits, based on probability outcome. My experience has been that most random shooters will reach between 4 and 6 rolls this gives us between 3 and 5 point hits. By the way, your great uncle is correct!, one of my favorite proverbs is "Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread". Thanks again for the positive feedback.

[@kenhyatt3673]

@@El_Toro "Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread" One of the musical versions I thought you might enjoy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5uWpKKibdKWe6c

[@ktnotter]

Thank you and your wife for this informative video

[@KarlBrkr]

I think you are spot on with the regression on Random shooters. Your video's really caught my attention with the common sense. New sub. Keep up the good video's.

[@El_Toro]

Thank you my friend... Unfortunately i'm being placed on HOLD for a while by KZbin. Apparently my videos have content that is inappropriate or solicits and promotes illicit and illegal activity. Lol... I'm being harassed by someone. In time i'll figure out who it is. In the mean time need some help from an attorney so I can continue as a content provider for the community. Not sure if this will even get to you....

[@paulroberts1799]

Great information. I lost all my money on random shooters without a plan. I’m very new at craps.

[@ColorUp]

Like the notice/warning in your video descriptions ;)

[@El_Toro]

You were smart to have that included, I felt that I needed this as well. Responsibility to our audience.

[@ColorUp]

El Toro Dice Club it’s important

[@birddog301em]

I like your strategy. No nonsense. I can see playing 4-5 rolls and off. Thanks for sharing brotha!!👍🎲

[@Kevin-TurtlesMidnightCraps]

Good strategy. Although when you had the 5 left to hit on the ATS, you could have hedged a guaranteed return by laying the 5. Have you considered this.

[@jamesklipka2229]

Great video going to try this with my next trip to my casino. Keep up the great work jim

[@richardmanhire6492]

A great example of the sensibility and profitability of the "slow and steady wins the race" strategy..

[@El_Toro]

Thank you my friend... Unfortunately i'm being placed on HOLD for a while by KZbin. Apparently my videos have content that is inappropriate or solicits and promotes illicit and illegal activity. Lol... I'm being harassed by someone. In time i'll figure out who it is. In the mean time need some help from an attorney so I can continue as a content provider for the community. Not sure if this will even get to you....

[@ciscoj33]

Well Mr El Toro......this is the first video of yours I've seen, and I must say I like what I saw. You follow the same pattern I do in hitting it quick and quitting it. Only difference is i'm an inside guy and will only go outside if I see an inordinate amount of 4s or 10s, but i'm usually never in more than 4 or 5 paying points, if that. The random shooter is the biggest enemy to your bank roll.....even more so than the house, and I think you have a really solid strategy here of either being able to make money off of them, or to lessen your losses on them. Good job!

[@El_Toro]

Thank you my friend... Unfortunately i'm being placed on HOLD for a while by KZbin. Apparently my videos have content that is inappropriate or solicits and promotes illicit and illegal activity. Lol... I'm being harassed by someone. In time i'll figure out who it is. In the mean time need some help from an attorney so I can continue as a content provider for the community. Not sure if this will even get to you....

[@ciscoj33]

@@El_Toro oh it got to me lol. Yeah Dominic LoRiggio was talking about this in his interview with HighRollersTV. Apparently the casinos didn't like that he was teaching people how to beat the game. Looks like some loser wank isn't too happy about you giving us winning info either.

[@thespanish21god86]

I PARTIALLY agree with what you're saying here except what I would do is establish the Iron Cross where I have $25 on 5, $30 on BOTH 6 & 8 and have $15 in the Field bet and just HOPE they do JUST 2 throws without sevening-out and just collect at LEAST $30 either PER person or AFTER they establish their point because I have seen TOO MANY PEOPLE 7-out in from 3-6 throws, and of COURSE you have those random shooters who will seven out RIGHT after they establish their point or the 2nd throw after they have established their point! So, to me, this would be the SAFER option! And, of course, the OTHER advantage would be if they roll a 2 or 12 in those 2 throws you get double your field bet and is some casinos, triple for 12!

[@martindavidson1640]

At my casino in order to be up on the ATS you must have a pass or dont pass bet so sometimes I put 5 on each and play the ATS as the dice go round and jump in when I see hot shooter in action.

[@thefanking]

Smart trick, Martin. I see the casino's money just like I see the money we give our government; getting around their stupid rules like you do is half the fun!

[@talimoi]

Can you show us up top where you are betting your lows and what is this type of bet called again? Couldn’t hear you in the vid as well on.

[@joedascolagolf8247]

Hey good-buddy! just want you to know and to thank you for the three point blender. What an advantage strategy it is with the right shooters!! Its now part of my arsenal here in Vegas.

[@jacobwilliams5031]

Great strategy. Well said took your time explaining love it keep up the good work

[@IMove2Earn]

I really enjoyed watching/listening to the informative information on this type of strategy. I do play at the casinos, but I also play quite a bit of online live craps. Which is why a random shooter strategy makes sense. So what I’m asking is what would be the best for say a bubble craps/Online Live table for someone with a smaller bankroll.

[@lauraemmett2303]

Thanks for the tips they are working well for me. It's now my only job. I enjoy the playing.

[@edstillings2264]

I suppose you could play this on the bouncy dice machine as well. I think they have lower minimum if I recollect.

[@marknoble5495]

I like it. I think I would probably go 10/20/30. Take down the sister number after a hit, and then take them all down after 2 hits. If a 7 out hits before 2 hits, I would increase to 20/40/60 up to a level 5 of 50/100/150. Dropping down a level every time 2 hits occur before a 7.

[@reiningdice2101]

Hi L toro I really like all of your videos, awesome!!!

[@Swerv17]

I like this strategy. I usually play The Dark Side, and there are times when I wish I was on the Light Side. This is a good balance and if you can stay patient and disciplined, there’s no reason you can’t win 20% of your bankroll on a consistent basis. I see so many people at the table just press, press, and press and NEVER put any chips in their rack. 45 minutes later they are scratching their head wondering why they are broke! They hit the ATM and buy in for another $500-$1,000 and repeat the process. It’s sad to watch. If everyone was just happy to win that 20%, casinos would be cringing!

[@rebelrockradio]

Brave money doesn't make any money either it goes all away. You got to play smart and bet smart

[@El_Toro]

100% agree with you on that. I should have stated that afterwards. Thanks again for the positive feedback.

[@rebelrockradio]

@@El_Toro sir I think you Ed is great thank you for your effort!

[@jamesm710]

We all random rollers even if you set the dice. Once the dice hit the back wall is random. You going to miss a lots of long rolls.

[@williamjohnson5877]

Taking bets down You are allowed to take your don’t pass bet down anytime.

[@censr1]

DC too

[@ronaldzimmermam8144]

I consider my a professional craps player, your the first you tuber who strategies I really like ! I will incorporate some of them. I hope you get your million subscribers. Also I'm sure you know that the dp and dc are not contract bets.

[@TheQuackshooter]

If you had to play something, like I do locally, to play the ATS. What would you play? I usually put out a $5 Field and if I win the field play the 6&8.

[@El_Toro]

Good question. So if the Casino mandates that you play at least table minimum in order to play the ATS, and lets say I didn't like to bet the way I do. I would have to play the Hard Ways for $1/$2 each heavy on the hard 6 to complete the $5/$10 minimum. When it hits, press up one unit and take the remainder to my chip rack. This way I'm at least in it for more than just one roll, 50/50 bet win/loose. You could still add the 6&8 to hedge the hard way bet. Thanks again for the positive feedback.

[@breakingcraps]

Minimum bet on the Don't Pass or Don't Come. This will keep you in the game without risking a lot while you play the ATS. Best bet on the table. And, it is not a contract bet. You can bring it down if you want. Though it is not smart once the roll is established.

[@thefanking]

Do what Martin Davidson does: place a doey-don't bet. $5 on the pass and $5 on the don't pass.

[@glenthomason9636]

I really like this system for randoms. But I hate to miss out on a long roll.

[@briannunes1261]

Thank you for putting the video.I have one question would you consider this table in the video a 5 or 10 dollar table? Thank you again

[@El_Toro]

It was a 5 dollar minimum table.

[@ihavehotmail2]

Brian Nunes it was $5 min but could be used on a $10 table by betting $10 on the 4/10 instead of 5

[@krllyy]

At 36:50 you only have to get a 10 for the ATS. You should bet 40-50 No4 so you win with a 10 or 7.(courtesy of Vince Armenti).

[@premedina667]

No that’s not the correct play there. As you saw she rolled the 4 before the 10 or 7. With one number left for the all, you lay that number for as much as needed for the same payout of the ATS win. So he should have put a lay on the 10 for ~420 to guarantee a ~210 win.

[@BaseballDiamondJim]

Great Roll. Excellent strategy!

[@ejones9924]

Love yur advice. I will do this strategy on my next play

[@El_Toro]

Let me know how it works out for you.

[@lance4prez217]

Love watching your videos man, keep up the good work. I really want a practice table, just convincing my girlfriend about it is another story LOL. Not sure where your from but I’m from SC, would love to find a place to practice shoot. Have a good one.

[@breakingcraps]

Hi El Toro, nice channel you got here. A couple of things. First, the Don't Pass and DC are not contract bets. Once established you can take them down whenever you want. Though it is not suggested as you have an advantage once you get past the Seven and Eleven. It is the best bet on the table and far superior to the Pass. I hate the Pass Line as well and don't play it until I shoot. For all good shooters and aspiring good shooters don't overlook the Dark Side when waiting for your own roll. Assuming you will be making the bulk of your profit on your rolls betting the Don't is a good and less volatile way to play until it is your turn. So, minimum bet on the Don't Pass or DC. If the shooter knocks you off then either switch, minimum on the 6&8 and build up, or just wait for the next shooter. Roughly 60% of all shooters don't make a single point so betting the Don't can be very effective. If betting the Place Bets in this manner works for you then hey don't change what ain't broke. But, it seems that betting that much on random shooters is just unnecessary. I rather save it for my own rolls. Scared money don't make money.... I say Dumb money don't make money, Smart money makes money. Cheers

[@El_Toro]

Thank you so much for your input. Your insight is greatly appreciated. For whatever reason, this system works for me. I know it’s unusual, as most will play the dark side. Thank you again for the positive feedback.

[@ncochran01]

That's not technically correct. The house edge on Pass/Come is 1.41%. The house edge on Don't Pass/Come is 1.36%. The difference is pretty small. Over 1000s and 1000s of plays you will see a small difference. However, I feel that saying that Don't Pass is far superior is purely hyperbole.

[@michaelvalenti7127]

Holy Moley, nice shooting wifey!

[@El_Toro]

🤷🏼‍♀️it just happened... pure Random Luck!

[@10MinutestoRouletteFortune]

I just found your channel. You had me at "not contract bets". I love that off/on button. Nice approach....I like it because the average shooter shoots 7 rolls before a 7 out...so maybe I would just do it for 5 rolls between 7s. hmm

[@kevinrehberg8758]

38:10 Gottcha El Toro... when she rolled the 10 for the ATS that was her point established so the 8 afterward was a place bet not the point

[@robosburn5621]

New Sub here....Great video! Thanks for these!

[@uglydude323]

Awesome video!!!

[@chrisbrodbeck1961]

That was amazing, I need to trust the sport, I will do!

[@jamesanthony897]

Pretty safe strategy but boy, oh boy, we HATE that point seven on any strategy unless we're on the dark side. Too many of those and a shift in strategy is due or it's time to find another table. You are very wise not worrying about the money you are missing. As John Patrick says and its a deep point..."It's not how much you win. It's how LITTLE you lose!" Sage advice from an experienced gambler.

[@joewindiana2150]

I usually don't bet on other shooters. And when I do I have a couple rules. Rule 1. Watch them roll once before I bet on them so I can evaluate their skill level. Rule 2. Only make place bets on their first roll. After that take them down or turn them off. But my go to bet is to wait until the shooter gets to 6 rolls and then start betting on big red. And I makes bets that will make me at least $100 profit. I will chase this bet for 6 rolls. Very few shooters hit 12 rolls. If they make 12 rolls then shut down and wait on next shooter. Once that shooter hits six rolls pick up where you left off on your big red bets and always bets enough to make at least $100 on the 7. A $3000 bankroll will cover you for 3 shooters. And for you to lose all three shooters will have to rolls 12 times w no 7s. That's 36 dice rolls w no 7s. And there is less than 1% chance of that happening. It's literally the safest bet in the entire casino. Your essentially betting incremental bets up to $3000 that the dice can't be rolled 36 times with no 7s.

[@El_Toro]

I believe in always having a plan, and sticking to it, as long as the plan is sound and generates positive results. 👍

[@ja.sr.6133]

You can take your don't come or don't pass bets down anytime ?????

[@BrownsProfessionalCarpetCare]

Another awesome video 🔥🔥🔥💯 Thank you

[@El_Toro]

Thank you my friend... Unfortunately i'm being placed on HOLD for a while by KZbin. Apparently my videos have content that is inappropriate or solicits and promotes illicit and illegal activity. Lol... I'm being harassed by someone. In time i'll figure out who it is. In the mean time need some help from an attorney so I can continue as a content provider for the community. Not sure if this will even get to you....

[@joedascolagolf8247]

Great dialogue.Keep up thee work

[@markwojtulski74]

Special thanks Bone Thrower, El Toro and Vincent Armenti. Started with $1500 buy in from SL1. Hit a Tall with the Legions throw with about 20 rolls or so, 16 inside score hits started with $66 inside to $110, then regressed to $66, repeat, repeat. Took a long break (over night) and could’t get SL1. Had to settle for the corner by the DC. What to throw? I saw other good shooters stacking there dice and dropping then near the wall. I went with Armenti’s 12, 12 stacked. Don’t know how many throws but after using El Toro’s 270 across ($90each 6/8, $30each 5/9 and $15each 4/10), regressing to get my $270, 40 minutes later I made over $3000 profit on my roll alone! As you can see, I did have some losses prior to the 40 minute roll, but right now my $1,500 looks like $4,330 after a couple hundred dollars in tip to the dealers. The dealers hit hard ways and two All Tall while I was there with come cash as well. Just wanted to give thanks to those that helped me!

[@El_Toro]

Wow!! great to hear Mark... it's always more fun when you win! Glad to hear that you paid attention to the strategy and worked it correctly. Such a great testimony to what we are doing as creators and mentors. Keep rolling mt brother. Thanks again for the positive feedback.

[@reiningdice2101]

Hi L Toro I forgot to ask you where did you get your table from and how much

[@El_Toro]

I put the link for the table and my chips in the description. Just tell him El Toro sent you.

[@reiningdice2101]

El Toro Dice Club for a

[@El_Toro]

Dustin is the contact: americantablegames.com

[@mcchacho1]

If you were playing this in the casino, what would your bankroll be? The $90 setup would be almost half of the $200 and would be pretty risky to a PSO which happens a lot it seems. Also, where I play the table minimums are $15 Would you put out $90 each on the 6 and 8, (5 x minimum) $30 on 5 and 9, (2 x minimum) and $15 on the 4 and 10, for a total of $270?

[@El_Toro]

That’s correct for the setup. One thing though, I don’t play this on a random shooter. I have another plan for random shooters.

[@mcchacho1]

@@El_Toro Either I’m confused or you are. This video is all about betting on random rollers. Love your videos. This is the way you bet on random shooters?

[@El_Toro]

@@mcchacho1 😂, my mistake. Yes, most tables seem to be starting at $15, bringing the initial buy-in to the $270. I always recommend a 10x bankroll so the PSO’s don’t break the bank. At the current minimums, depending on bankroll, you might modify to drop the 4 & 10, start the 5 & 9 at (table minimum), then 6 & 8 at ($30 each). This would keep your bankroll under 1k and still allow enough for 10 sessions. Thanks again for the positive feedback!

[@mcchacho1]

@@El_Toro Hey man, thought I would report in as I played this strategy yesterday for a few hours on a $10 table. So with the 1,2,5 strategy it was $180 laid out plus the ATS. I did not play the ATS on every shooter. I have never been at a table yet where I have rolled it, or any other shooter rolled it. Man I got killed over the first 5 shooters. PSO, craps numbers then 7, hit a 10 or 4 for $18 or 5 and 9 for $28 then seven out.. Down over $800 in like a half hour. Stuck with it and it took some time but I eventually came all the way back and quit up $150 or so after tipping, etc. I have to say I did play with some modifications when I was so far down. If I hit a six or eight immediately after the come out, I let it ride for a couple of more rolls and collected a second time on the 6 and 8 quite a few times. After 3 rolls or so without hitting the 6 or 8 a second time, I took them down. Sometimes when I took the 6 and 8 down after hitting one of them and rolled crap numbers and or 6s and 8s, I would move the money on the outside numbers to the 6 and 8. ($30 each) Also, when I cleared the table and it seemed to be a hot roll, rather than just waiting, I put $5 each on the hard ways and pressed them up if I hit. That worked a couple of times also. I played the strategy when I rolled also and kept the same dollars on the point vs. putting them on the odds. All in all it worked out in the long run, and I would have won pretty good if I did not have such bad luck in the beginning. You need the bankroll to back it and the willingness to keep going when it is not going your way. Oh, I also took everything down between 6 and 10 rolls and if I saw a few 10s or 4s hit, and was up around 10 rolls or more I would lay the 10 or 4 for $140. If the shooter hit a point, or if the roll kept going to 15 or 20 rolls I took them down. That worked like 5 out of 5 times. It is difficult to sit tight when your off and the shooter keeps hitting box numbers.

[@jdezenzio8372]

You can't take a loss on a profit. Good strategy.

[@bowlinglefty]

The wife and I played craps last night at our local casino on a good table and we both won, but she did even better than I did playing this way.

[@richbourn1003]

Nice great advice

[@cryptoglobalconnection3833]

Dope never looked at like this before.. thanks

[@jamesanthony897]

I'm curious....have you been influenced by Tony Leo's system?

[@mattgroves8895]

Any help playing California craps. Dam card game. No control at all

[@El_Toro]

Is that where they use BarCoded cards on a scanner and mimic a Craps game?

[@mattgroves8895]

@@El_Toro No. They use 6 cards. 1 thru 6. Shuffle them when a new shooter comes up. Then they lay the cards out on the table. Then the dice r thown. If a let's say 2 and 6 r on the dice. They pick the second and sixth card. It could be any combination except hardways. If let's say 2 4s r thrown it would be a hard way but not necessarily 8. It could be any combo of hardways. Whatever the cards says double it for the count. There is really no way for control. Everyone hates it but that's the way it is in ca

[@darrenkennedy5990]

Great strategy I like this one

[@hardattackdj]

9 for 5 on a $5 10? Can you buy the outside with a minimum bet?

[@CoffeeshopGroup1]

I do the 9 count lay with every 7 resetting my count

[@MonsterCody]

I like your system, cant wait to go gambling...

[@El_Toro]

Thank you my friend... Unfortunately i'm being placed on HOLD for a while by KZbin. Apparently my videos have content that is inappropriate or solicits and promotes illicit and illegal activity. Lol... I'm being harassed by someone. In time i'll figure out who it is. In the mean time need some help from an attorney so I can continue as a content provider for the community. Not sure if this will even get to you....

[@michaelbailey995]

Here's a curious question: what if you encountered another dice controller like yourself that can shoot well? would you bet the same as a random shooter or the same as your self or somewhere in between?

[@El_Toro]

Great question... If its another controlled shooter, I would still regress down but not to zero, then begin a press and pay sequence so I can maximize every dollar on the table. The regression would most likely be down to table minimum. Thanks again for the positive feedback.

[@markwojtulski74]

@@El_Toro I found that with another controlled shooter, I would go down low enough to recoup my $270 (for the next shooter) and start pressing up from there. Getting up to 60 on the 6/8 really helps. Take $10 from that win and increase 6 & 8 $30 each. Then constantly increase 6/8 $30 each and 5/9 $25 each. I had $390 on both the 6 & 8 when he 7out. I don't regret losing the $780, I made much more on the 12 or so increases along the way. If 6/8 is the point once I get my $270 back, I take the money on the point and move all but the minimum to the non-point 6/8 and still increase $60 just as if I had both numbers, but only increase one number by $60.

[@tilted12345]

Here in California we have cards with dice, it really sucks. Every roll is ramdom. Would you bet the same?

[@El_Toro]

Hey Matt G, would not bet the same on a card Craps game. Not even sure how that concept came about. To be quite honest, I wouldn't play craps with no dice.

[@tilted12345]

@@El_Toro They actually use dice. They use 6 cards. Look it up on KZbin. But there really no way for any control. They use ace 2 3 4 5 6. They shuffle and lay cards on table. Throw dice and whatever the layout is when the cards r put down, say the roll is 6 2. If the 1st card is a 6 and the 6th card is the 2 then that's a 7 out. It's probably easier to watch a KZbin clip to explain.

[@he7540]

ET great video on how to bet on Random shooters. Will try this next time at casino.

[@edstillings2264]

Very interesting strategy. How often does a 7 come up on second roll where you lose everything based on hundreds of shooters? That would be the one thing to kill this strategy. Say you get two or three in a row?

[@El_Toro]

Hey Ed Stillings, that happens about once every 7 to 9 shooters on average. Keep in mind that on a table that has an ATS bet, most people aren’t looking to roll a 7 anymore. Still doesn’t keep it from happening, but seems like it happens less frequently.

[@markwojtulski74]

​@@El_Toro With $5 on each ATS, I found to drop $2 on each hop 7 to protect my ATS. It seemed nice to get paid $11 when he threw a come out 7 and still be up on the ATS and HOP. Did this after a point was made and he was coming out again.

[@Investor793]

Sorry, but you can pull your bet on the Don’t bets. Don’t Pass/Don’t Come are not contract bets, b/c you have the advantage the casino will let you pull it.

[@josephfranklin5083]

Casino want let me play all tall and small without having a bet on the pass or don't pass

[@El_Toro]

That’s interesting, I haven’t had that issue yet . The difference might be the casino requirement is for you to have table minimum at risk per spot. So a 25 minimum table would require you to play 25/25/25 ( S/A/T ) or you can choose to play just 25 on the Small only. This also meets the casinos at risk table minimum policy.

[@Mc.flyyy11]

Wife and I tried this tonight. Worked great.

[@El_Toro]

Hey Steve, great to hear. Congrats on what hopefully a profitable night! Thanks again for the positive feedback.

[@jamesanthony897]

The "COME" bet just NEVER made sense to me. Why would I hope for a number when I can place it? As far as simulators that "simulate" that the "COME" bet is a good one? Nah....RNG's are wired to tell you what is likely to happen not what will happen.

[@birddog301em]

Every time I have my wife throw as a random shooter she always make my dice setting look random!!! Lol👍🎲

[@todd8086]

Lol thought I was the only one who felt that way on an off day!

[@rf421]

Toro - what's the unit size on 4/9, 6/8? I am assuming if 1 unit is 15, then 4/10 15, 5/9 30, 6/8 48?

[@El_Toro]

On the 4&10 (1x units), 5&9 (2x units), 6&8 (5x units). Scalable for any level of play. So a unit could be table minimum (15 dollars), from there 2x, and 5x. On the 6&8, it would be 18 each x 5.

[@rf421]

@@El_Toro Going to try this out tonight. Thx!

[@danielsargent208]

I like that strategy usually I do 32 across after 3 hits I pull down cuz I don't have that much money. And after watching bonethrower I've only been shooting dice a little over a year. made a little shooting table to practice because I got to have some kind of supplemental income because my health and everything but I really love what you're teaching. thank you for everything you're doing

[@El_Toro]

Daniel, welcome to the channel. Great to hear, however before you put any money on a table make sure you understand the dice and the table your shooting on. Gambling for supplemental income is not a good idea if you don't have much money, or if you haven't been practicing for a long period of time. You'll loose your money quickly.... Thanks again for the positive feedback.

[@bronsonrueda1497]

I like the strategy with $5 betting units. At the beginning of the video, you said that typically you’ll buy in for $1-2k. What is your betting unit when you buy in for this much?

[@premedina667]

Why didn’t you lay the 10 for an equal payout of the 210 for hitting the 10, that way you guarantee a big win on a 7 or 10? You almost missed out on big money if she PSO on that last 4.

[@sandrageiger8205]

How do you know if you have a random shooter? That's everyone, right? Except if you yourself are a pro dice setter?

[@El_Toro]

Sandra, Great question. So a random shooter would be someone that will consistently shoot between 6 and 7, 7's out of 36 dice rolls. Most folks don't practice this, so you are correct in saying that you should assume everyone. If you practice, then you need to strive to get your 7 of 36 down from 7 to 6 then 5 and so on. This should be practiced daily so you get a fair sampling of the type of shooter you are. Thanks again for the great question and positive feedback.

[@TexasPunisher2026]

Solid advice. I’m gonna give it a try...at home first...then Monday at the casino! Can I bring your hot shooter! Ha

[@markwojtulski74]

What would you play if the table min is $10 or $15? I find it hard to find a $5 table.

[@El_Toro]

Mark Wojtulski this strategy is definitely scale able. Just multiply each for your comfort. Double everything for 10 and 3x for 15. I play at quarter level or a 5x multiplier. Thanks for the positive feedback.

[@markwojtulski74]

@@El_Toro Yeah, that gets pretty steep. $15 on the 4/10, $30 on the 5/9 and $90 on both the 6/8 = $270 across on a $15 min table. $10 on the 4/10, $20 on the 5/9 and $60 on both the 6/8 = $180 across. Both those seem pretty steep on a random shooter.

[@markwojtulski74]

I think if I am stuck on a $15 table, I will place the 6 and 8 for $18 each for three rolls after the come out roll then take them down if they don't hit. Hopefully the house will allow that if I have 2-1-2 on the ATS. They say I have to have minimum $15 action to play the ATS, but I don't know if it has to be up for the entire roll. If they say it does, I will just do $15 on the Pass and $15 on the Don't Pass with a buck on the 12.

[@El_Toro]

Hey Mark, yes it does get steep. I thought you were asking me what I would play. For you, lets say on the same $15 table. I would just condense the bets. On the 6&8, 30 each and on the 5&9, 15 each. This gives you an outlay of $90 inside. If your bankroll is $500 then you have enough for 5 random shooters. Out of those 5, 3 should get you up on profits.

[@El_Toro]

What Casino's are local to you?, and do all of them have the same stipulations? Most Casino's that require action minimums, only require them until the dice are out. You should still be able to bring your bets down as they are not contract bets. I would double check with the table game boss for clarification. Thanks again for the positive feedback.

[@Boyntonstu]

Leaving a 4 and a 10 up instead of 6 - 8 is giving away odds.

[@ryanvanderheyden3324]

Could u do a challenge for me. The marching soldiers bet. Bankroll of 300 Start with 4 and 10 5 bucks each working on come out If you hit one u drop a dollar and move it to the next number So if u hit a 4 you move the 15 to the five if the 5 hits u move it to the 6 36 six if the six hits you move to the 8 for 78 if you hit a 8 u move to the 9 for 162 then if the 9 hits u move to the 10 hit the 10 and take it down vice versa with the 10

[@wtf11200009]

You can bring down your Dont Pass and Don’t Come

[@kenbrown438]

CAN'T wait for you to get 1,000 subscribers, so , WE CAN GO LIVE !!!!

[@1yamawai1]

listen to mama now 23.00 :)

[@El_Toro]

She's always right... that's how we've stayed together for so many years. LOL

[@timmccullough942]

Please define random shooter

[@michaelnarowitz4261]

El Toro where are you?

[@education654321]

Well aren’t you playing scared if you keep taking your numbers down. Just wondering

[@victortinajero5543]

education654321 not when others are shooting. He’s showing action & making a little profit on every shooter. Why risk throwing your money away on a random thrower that may/may not know what they’re doing?

[@justinht9772]

The way things usually go, I might have to use this on myself.

[@thespanish21god86]

Since you didn't mention it I will - the VAST MAJORITY of casinos will NOT let you play the SAT - Small, All, Tall - side bet UNLESS you put up a PASS line or Don't pass bet!

[@thomastokarz817]

my favorite I set is a 5-6 on top or the to one or two top I average about 30 rolls every time I touch the dices

[@thomastokarz817]

I like and I'm going next time

[@rodneythompson9560]

There is no difference whatsoever in the way I bet....whether or not I'm the shooter...the dice have no idea who's rolling or who isn't rolling

[@da_one5349]

Betting on typical random shooters is simple.. DON'T PASS, can't win with random shooters. I like the ideas of taking bets down but I did it slowly with come bets with odds.

[@billybill3807]

i agree not being locked into contrct bets as in pass line but most tables i ply on in local casino parx they run 7 out n fast averge results in 5 throws either point made or 7 out takes about 1 minute per shooter but im very good reading into peoples emotions Made my living as mobile DJ 25 years but working for others only got paid like $150 top for 6 hour wedding my way is betting 5 6 8 n field on $10 minimum table win two bets and go off but i wait for 3 throws hoping yo get two more n still lose they 7 oit on 4th toss grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr thats a 1/2 hours winnings gone in sconds $10 +$12 +$12 +$10 $42 bye bye so i need to bet dont pass and lay enough to cover that $42 very few times have i caught a hot table where each player made 2 passes or more. Going agin tomorrow will have $355 to buy in probaly get there around 7 pm rush hr traffic on i 95 north untill it opens up at cottman ave exit then i top it to 75 MPH but if really jammed it's like full stop 5 secs then go aboiut 5 car lengths aberage speed 10 mph! AND holy crap if construction crews have both right lanes shut down thats a 20 min delay trying to get hundreds into one lane

[@oldsuitman7762]

yea yea yea, you'll soon go patron shopping if you get enough viewers just like the other guy

[@El_Toro]

Oldsuitman I don’t believe that was a smart move. I enjoy this game too much and find it exciting in building a channel in this community. From a business point of view, seems to make better sense to build my channel to a million subscribers that pay nothing and let the advertisers pay instead. This in my opinion, will build up this channel bigger and stronger and is a smarter business decision. Thanks again for the positive feedback.