Beyond Good and Evil #11: Immoralist Virtue Ethics (VII.214 - VII.230)

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00:00 📜 Nietzsche begins Chapter 7 of "Beyond Good and Evil" discussing virtues for free spirits, focusing on psychology, motivation, and the source of ideas. 05:08 🚶‍♂ Becoming a free spirit involves transcending conventional moral and metaphysical frameworks, leading to self-awareness of perspectivism and contingency. 14:12 🌟 Nietzsche uses the metaphor of stars to describe how modern individuals are influenced by various moralities, leading to actions of many colors. 18:28 ❤ Loving one's enemies can involve conflicting emotions, including spite and despising, as a result of the Christian conception of love as a moral duty. 23:59 🤔 Morality is deeply ingrained in us, often unconsciously, and opposing it can be offensive to people. Learning new instincts might lead to new virtues and power. 25:06 ⚖ The figure of the saint emerges from strong base instincts and requires self-tyranny for survival, which is reinterpreted as the virtue of discipline. 26:41 🧠 Nietzsche values forgetfulness as a life-promoting quality, contrasting it with those who pride themselves on moral tact and hold grudges. 34:06 🤔 Nietzsche criticizes psychologists who delight in ridiculing bourgeois stupidity, suggesting they may unconsciously share traits they mock. 41:30 😈 Morality can be a form of revenge against nature for those who feel spiritually limited, and the spiritually unlimited may be resented for their freedom. 45:08 🌟 Nietzsche argues that high spirituality is a synthesis of moral qualities acquired through discipline and generations, not necessarily opposed to moral virtues. 46:30 📜 Nietzsche argues that the free spirit, the immoralist, is the perfection of virtues admired, not their refutation. 47:25 🔮 Nietzsche suggests that the person of unlimited spirituality is a product of cultural shaping, not a leap from the void. 48:05 🤔 Nietzsche questions the modern praise of disinterestedness, arguing that what interests refined tastes may not interest the average person. 49:15 💡 Nietzsche critiques the idea of purely disinterested actions and highlights the self-interested nature of love and sacrifice. 52:55 🗣 Nietzsche explores the idea of moral pedantry, suggesting that even his rejection of universal moral dogma can be seen as a form of moralism. 01:06:52 🚫 Nietzsche argues that pity is the prevailing religion of modern times and that it arises from individuals' dissatisfaction with themselves. 01:07:47 🤔 Nietzsche argues that the preaching of pity as the ultimate value leads to self-contempt and condemns life and nature. 01:10:18 🎭 Nietzsche discusses how modern Europeans see their cultural traditions as mere costumes and the advantages of the age of comparisons, where different cultural perspectives can be studied and combined. 01:14:51 📚 Nietzsche defines the historical sense as the ability to understand and guess the order of rank of values in different cultures, which emerged in the 19th century. 01:18:31 🌍 Nietzsche explains how modern souls have absorbed the past of various cultures and gained access to unfinished cultures, thanks to the mixing of classes and races in Europe. 01:21:45 😌 Nietzsche reflects on the ability of those with the historical sense to appreciate diverse cultural elements, even if it contradicts good taste or traditional values. 01:28:52 🌌 Nietzsche emphasizes the concept of the infinite as a direction, not something encountered in nature, illustrating that all living things have infinite potential due to endless becoming. 01:30:56 🤔 Nietzsche criticizes normative ethics (Hedonism, pessimism, utilitarianism, eudaimonism) for measuring value based on Pleasure and Pain, arguing that they make man smaller. 01:38:58 🌟 Nietzsche highlights the virtue of honesty as the free spirit's duty, even if it means dancing in chains and facing secret hardships, and contrasts it with conventional morality. 01:44:45 😈 Nietzsche encourages free spirits to cultivate their honesty but warns against turning it into vanity, stupidity, or becoming saints and bores. 01:48:32 😴 Nietzsche criticizes moral philosophies as boring and virtue as impaired by boring advocates, emphasizing the importance of keeping morality uninteresting for most people. 01:48:59 🧐 Nietzsche suggests that thinking deeply about morality can be dangerous and lead to the death of God. 01:50:05 🤔 Deeply questioning and vivisecting morality can undermine it, which may be liberating for philosophers but calamitous for the majority. 01:51:26 😈 Nietzsche questions whether moralizing itself could be considered immoral when it calls morality into question. 01:54:53 🇬🇧 Nietzsche critiques English utilitarians, suggesting they want to prove English morality as the best path to virtue, focusing on comfort, fashion, and political power. 01:57:44 😱 Nietzsche discusses the fear of embracing certain ideas or truths that might reawaken humanity's savage and cruel nature. 02:00:02 😈 Nietzsche argues that cruelty underlies much of what we call higher culture, from tragedy to religious martyrdom, and even in our contemporary enjoyment of violence. 02:03:36 😵 Nietzsche explores the pleasure derived from cruelty towards oneself, as seen in religious self-denial and asceticism, as well as the cruelty in the pursuit of profound knowledge. 02:07:57 👑 Nietzsche describes the basic will of the spirit as a tyrannical impulse that seeks to dominate, simplify, and assimilate new experiences for its growth and increased power. 02:09:07 🧠 Nietzsche discusses the act of interpretation and how it involves assimilating new information into existing mental schemas. 02:09:33 🚫 Ignorance and refusal to accept contradictory information can serve the same spirit of knowledge, allowing us to maintain a functional worldview. 02:11:36 🔄 Nietzsche emphasizes the transition from passive nihilism to active nihilism, where individuals create subjective perspectives and value systems. 02:12:48 🎭 Nietzsche discusses the spirit's willingness to be deceived, enjoy uncertainty, and use masks and deception in pursuit of power. 02:14:23 😠 Nietzsche mentions the cruelty in the intellectual conscience that rejects deception and embraces honesty. 02:15:46 🧐 Nietzsche reflects on extravagant honesty and the desire to return humanity to its natural state, away from old metaphysical beliefs. 02:17:21 🤔 Nietzsche emphasizes the importance of embracing honesty and understanding humanity's connection to nature as part of his central project.

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00:00 📜 Nietzsche's Chapter 7 in "Beyond Good and Evil" explores virtues for the free spirit, unbound by traditional moral frameworks. 05:08 🕊 Becoming a free spirit involves self-awareness of one's perspectivism and contingency, a journey of understanding the origins of moral values. 14:12 🌟 Nietzsche uses the metaphor of stars in the sky to illustrate how modern individuals are influenced by various moralities, resulting in actions of many colors. 18:28 💔 Nietzsche discusses the complex nature of loving one's enemies, where Christian concepts of love as a duty may contain elements of hostility and malice. 23:32 🤔 Nietzsche discusses how moral presuppositions are deeply ingrained in us, often unconsciously, making morality hard to oppose. 26:15 🧠 Nietzsche emphasizes the value of forgetfulness in life, contrasting it with the burden of memory. 32:55 😒 Nietzsche criticizes French psychologists who take delight in ridiculing bourgeois stupidity, implying they may have similar tendencies. 41:30 🙌 Nietzsche argues that morality is a form of revenge against nature and that high spirituality is the result of moral qualities refined over time. 46:02 🤔 Nietzsche suggests that a person of unlimited spirituality embodies virtues like justice and truth-seeking, contradicting the common notion that immorality refutes these virtues. 48:05 😕 Nietzsche critiques the idea of disinterestedness, arguing that even actions driven by love or sacrifice have self-interest underlying them, challenging the distinction between selfishness and selflessness. 49:15 😶 Nietzsche contends that philosophers who claim disinterestedness may not truly understand higher spirituality and are motivated by personal interests, highlighting the impractical nature of their knowledge. 53:38 😳 Nietzsche questions the unegoistic nature of actions done out of love, suggesting that love is a selfish and tyrannical impulse, challenging common moral assumptions about selflessness. 01:01:43 😄 Nietzsche ironically presents his own philosophy through a moralistic pedant, highlighting the paradox that arises when rejecting universalism while using universal terms to communicate the rejection. 01:06:52 😔 Nietzsche argues that contemporary preaching of pity represents the prevailing "religion" today, masking a sense of self-contempt among its proponents and contributing to the darkening and uglification of Europe. 01:07:05 🤔 Nietzsche discusses the prevalence of pity as a cultural meme, suggesting it is an ultimate value and source of self-contempt in modern European society. 01:10:18 🎭 Nietzsche describes how modern Europeans treat their cultural traditions as mere costumes and explores the benefits of this perspective in the age of comparisons. 01:14:51 🧐 Nietzsche defines the "historical sense" as the ability to understand and rank the values of different cultures and societies, which emerged in the 19th century due to the mixing of classes and races. 01:21:45 🤷‍♂ Nietzsche contrasts the modern "historical sense" with the traditional, noble cultures, highlighting how modern individuals can appreciate a diverse range of tastes and cultures. 01:25:11 😬 Nietzsche acknowledges that the virtues of those with the "historical sense" may not align with the highest standards of good taste, as they are more focused on embracing the infinite and unmeasured aspects of life. 01:27:58 🧠 Nietzsche criticizes philosophers like Kant, Hegel, and Descartes for their focus on the intelligible world, which interests the free spirit or philosopher of the future. He highlights the concept of infinity and relates it to his idea of the Overman and endless transformation. 01:30:56 🤔 Nietzsche criticizes normative ethics, such as Hedonism and Utilitarianism, for measuring value based on Pleasure and Pain, considering them superficial. He argues that embracing suffering and challenges leads to true enhancement and strength. 01:37:07 🗝 Nietzsche discusses the duty of free spirits to be honest about their understanding of the world, even if it leads to suffering and challenges. He contrasts their duty with the conventional morality and emphasizes the importance of maintaining their virtue of honesty. 01:45:38 😈 Nietzsche encourages free spirits to embrace honesty as their virtue and not let it turn into vanity or foolishness. He emphasizes their commitment to a life free from boredom, even if they are misunderstood or mistaken by others. 01:48:05 🤔 Nietzsche emphasizes the importance of honesty and playfulness while thinking about morality, warning against making morality boring and turning into saints or bores. 01:48:32 🧐 Nietzsche criticizes existing moral philosophies as boring and advocates for questioning morality to avoid it becoming too interesting. 01:50:17 😬 Nietzsche discusses the potential immorality of moralizing and how deep questioning of morality can lead to constant revolution and conflict. 01:54:53 😐 Nietzsche criticizes utilitarian English morality for seeking comfort, fashion, and happiness at the expense of individuality and higher ideals. 01:59:22 😲 Nietzsche argues that much of higher culture is based on the spiritualization of cruelty, finding pleasure in suffering, and making cruelty divine. 02:03:36 😳 Nietzsche explores the pleasure derived from self-cruelty, self-denial, and the pursuit of knowledge against one's inclinations, emphasizing the importance of hardness and courage. 02:08:10 🧠 Nietzsche describes the will to knowledge as a will of the spirit to increase power and dominate the world through assimilating new information. 02:09:07 🤔 Ignorance can also serve the will to knowledge when it comes to preserving one's worldview or valuations. 02:12:35 😏 The spirit sometimes enjoys self-deception, uncertainty, and ambiguity, reveling in the creative force of masks and cloaks. 02:15:46 🦚 Nietzsche questions the glorification of honesty, truth, wisdom, and heroism, suggesting that they belong to the realm of human vanity. 02:17:32 🦉 Nietzsche emphasizes the importance of returning humanity to its natural state and resisting metaphysical interpretations, making knowledge a task worth pursuing.

[@wadejameskennedy4495]

you made me laugh out loud “the philosophical labourer ! “ and blink,blink.

[@Jabranalibabry]

Metal Zarathustra head bangs us into a dimension beyond good and evil 🤘🎸🤘

[@AGamer1177]

Rock on, by Dionysian bro.

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@@AGamer1177 Master love, my fellow free-spirit aristocrat-warrior bro 👊

[@AR-vm7tk]

Haha one day we should all go into the mountains and have a giant moshpit, when/if we recover from falling down we will have created a new metal subgenre with lyrics that bring one into contact with the newly created values. Or it's all just a failed experiment, but we'd at least get a hypothetical sticker from Zarathustra👍

[@Jabranalibabry]

@@AR-vm7tk and... live dangerously, too, with awesome Dionysian music

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

34:21 I looked this passage up in the german original, you are correct, he is taking about the french psychologists being focused on analyzing the bêtise bourgeoise (maybe indicating he saw them as themselfes afflicted by it) and then he continues to suggest that this is already overdone and it would be far more interesting to analyze the "homini bonae voluntatis" in particular how they deal with exeptional individuals and how they expose a much higher instinctual intelligence in that as they could ever muster with their intellect

[@thomaslodger7675]

Hey essentialsalts, do you write scripts for your videos? If so, how long do they take? I finally found a philosopher I am willing to take a good amount of time understanding and I was thinking of doing something similar to what you do (in other words, ripping you off. However, I estimate it will take me a year or so to actually start creating as I am still unpacking a lot about him, his life, his works, etc.).

[@tevildo9383]

Kind of a random thought, but do you have any opinions or insights on Rand’s analogy and praise of the Viking raider who “lived but for the joy and the wonder and the glory of the god that was himself” in her early novel “We the Living” (probably her most Nietzschean work which she later edited to be less inflammatory). Perhaps it’s just my aesthetic preference for Northern European history and fantasy, but I’ve always found that kind of character to be a more appealing image of the will to power than a statesman like Caesar. Or maybe it’s my American sense of “freedom or death” that says “better to be killed than enslaved, so better to kill than enslave.”

[@isaacbarratt854]

2:12:00

[@gus8310]

We are only scared of life when we try to resist it

[@ZagreusoftheDesert]

I shit my pants when you said Nietzsche sacrificed a goat to Tom petty

[@XanDionysus]

Someone might say that by rejecting God, objective morality, and agency, you're left with the utter banality of Man's evil and the sickness of the human mind. I still consider this a vast improvement in perspective than being under the eye of a moralistic and vindictive god.

[@nickstebbens]

assuming, of course, that such vindictive moralists were wholly correct about God

[@XanDionysus]

@@nickstebbens certainly not the Christian God, that's for damn sure.

[@nickstebbens]

@@XanDionysus haha,well how would you know? It's all based on secondhand information... I'd instead say 'certainly not the Christian dogma about God.' I'm willing to agree with them on this: *the* Sun is *the* Light of *this* world

[@amorfati4096]

Nietzsche was more hip hop than hip hop itself. Ma Nigg* ama Dynamite 😅

[@larrylittle9485]

Please elaborate on Fred's dumbness oldhollywoodbriar

[@nickstebbens]

what he's alluding to there is the tyranny of psychology on the spirit of the French people and having a nice sip of the wine of his Germanic masterfulness

[@nickstebbens]

but there's another hue there too of like the smirk as one sees a man pulling a woman upstairs

[@nickstebbens]

it's okay, I'll make a better morality: morality is the study and practice of living better lives, and by better, I mean in regards to the future compared to the present, and to the extent that we live among nature, and are natural beings, is the extent to which having a proper regard for how to treat nature and natural beings is essential to making lives better. Let each decide what is better for them, such is the way of nature.

[@nickstebbens]

thought is a conduit of infinity, lifeforms are capacitors of infinity - and by that I mean 'infinite' is a quality one can attribute to such generations

[@nickstebbens]

I have often seen such depravity of hunger in they who say they look for the good in everyone

[@nickstebbens]

that's fine I'll just make fun of you for it

[@zerotwo7319]

Stop seducing me with wisdom. I have tests next week!

[@aLone114]

Perfect podcast! Thank you! I am reading and re-reading Nietzschie’s essey “use and abuse of history for life”. Would love to see analysis of this work.

[@liltick102]

Worddd

[@oldhollywoodbriar]

Nietzsche was kinda dumb tbh

[@AGamer1177]

Nietzshce was a fool after all :^)

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[@kdot78]

elaborate please 😂. I would love to hear how you got to that conclusion

[@Rhimeson]

Definitely Uber Mensch Bro

[@oldhollywoodbriar]

@@kdot78 Nietzsche said God is dead, but that’s not true because I saw God get murdered on TV in the 80s by the money preachers. Also, 3 physicists won the nobel prize last year for proofs that local realism is false, meaning science has come back to God. Lastly, the term Uber mensch literally means Man God, another strike there. There just wasn’t much depth to his ramblings.