Nietzsche: “Forgetfulness is an Active and Positive Force...”

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Welcome to all free spirits, wanderers, madmen and godless anti-metaphysicians! It is high time to drink from the waters of Lethe, and forget all that came before in this podcast. Today, we embark on a new phase of our voyage of inquiry, concerning Nietzsche's views on the origins of self-consciousness. We'll consider his remarks on memory and forgetfulness, found in his early essay Use and Abuse of History for Life, in the second essay of Genealogy of Morality, as well as some passages in Human, All Too Human & Wanderer and His Shadow. The expansion of self-consciousness is linked with punishment, revenge, debt, and the demands of civilization upon mankind.
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Episode art: Gustave Dore - The River of Lethe

[@gingerbreadzak]

00:00 🎙 In this podcast episode, Keegan discusses Nietzsche's perspective on forgetfulness as an active and positive force. 01:06 🤔 Nietzsche challenges the assumption that forgetting is an exception to memory, suggesting it's the baseline for most life forms. 03:19 🧠 Nietzsche argues that consciousness is not fundamental, but a byproduct of physiology, with memory and self-consciousness emerging gradually in evolution. 06:05 🦠 Nietzsche proposes that forgetfulness was the norm in early life forms, and the development of memory required significant evolutionary effort. 08:51 🌿 Nietzsche explores the contrasting views of nature in the romanticized sense and how ancient Greeks had a different perspective, seeing nature as filled with capricious and malevolent forces. 15:00 😔 Nietzsche reflects on the psychological burden of human history and our yearning for the simplicity of forgetting, contrasting it with the unhistorical nature of animals and young children. 19:30 🌟 Forgetfulness is portrayed as an active and positive force, necessary for the development of promises and civilization, challenging the dichotomy between nature and civilization. 23:23 🧠 Forgetfulness is not a passive force but an active and positive one, facilitating the processing of our experiences and allowing for creativity and conscious self-awareness. 24:46 🧘 Forgetfulness serves as a doorkeeper and preserver of psychic order, providing moments of quietness and repose necessary for nobler functions like regulation, foresight, and premeditation. 25:24 🧘 Forgetfulness is essential for living in the present, as constantly remembering cluttering memories and anxieties about the future can hinder creativity and true presence. 30:38 🤔 Memory and forgetfulness are distinct and assertive forces. Memory represents the desire to hold on to past desires or intentions, while forgetfulness enables one to clear the way for productive thought and action. 36:11 😰 Early civilizations used public displays of cruelty, like gruesome executions, to create a necessity for memory and develop man's capacity to remember promises and uphold societal agreements. 45:12 💰 The concept of credit, debt, and the obligation to repay is deeply rooted in the idea of deterring those who might renege on their promises through the threat of painful consequences. 46:19 📜 Nietzsche discusses historical practices of punishment, including detailed estimates for body parts as compensation for debt. 47:26 🧐 Nietzsche explores the concept of compensation, where creditors derive pleasure from having power over debtors, especially in ancient societies. 48:48 👥 Nietzsche highlights that in ancient morality, one's ability to repay harm with harm or generosity with generosity determined their worth and dignity. 49:43 🤝 Nietzsche explains the interplay of debts in ancient morality, where receiving generosity or loyalty incurred a form of debt to be repaid. 51:01 💔 Nietzsche delves into how harm or disrespect against an individual could dishonor their entire family or clan in the ancient world. 53:15 ⚔ The video discusses how the Tonics, an honor-based culture, believed that revenge was essential to maintain honor and avoid dishonor. 55:02 🌍 Nietzsche connects Christianity's rise in ancient Rome to the consciousness of slaves turning inward and seeking revenge through religion. 57:36 🙏 Nietzsche suggests that Christianity offered psychic compensation for the burdens imposed by civilization and oppression. 01:00:11 🔄 Nietzsche distinguishes between two types of revenge: instinctual retaliation and calculated vengeance for restoring honor. 01:03:28 🧠 Nietzsche discusses how the expansion of consciousness comes with an awareness of past harm, leading to the need for vengeance. 01:06:02 😄 Nietzsche suggests that humans, as thinking beings, have the capacity for joy and happiness, even amid the burdens of history. 01:07:53 🤰 Nietzsche likens guilt or bad conscience to an illness, indicating that it emerged with the shift from a predatory to a civilized society. (Note: Due to the length of the transcript chunk, only key takeaways relevant to the context were extracted. The complete transcript contains additional information.) 01:08:34 🧠 Nietzsche emphasizes the importance of creating an internal world of the psyche, driven by the need for self-preservation in a civilized society. 01:09:01 🤔 Nietzsche defines an elevated state of mind, or noble spirit, by its capacity to leave the past behind, at least temporarily, highlighting the interplay of forgetfulness and memory. 01:09:43 🧐 Nietzsche discusses the desirability of strong natures being capable of not taking enemies, accidents, or misdeeds seriously for long, emphasizing the value of forgetting. 01:10:55 😌 Nietzsche suggests that the ideal interplay between forgetting and remembering involves retaining memories that edify while forgetting those that might poison. 01:11:50 🙏 Nietzsche underscores the importance of the power to forget and the capacity to feel unhistoric as essential elements of happiness and life. 01:12:59 🌙 Nietzsche argues that even a happy life is possible without constant remembrance, likening it to the existence of a beast, but true life is impossible without forgetfulness. 01:13:12 🎉 The podcast celebrates its audience and looks forward to continuing discussions about Nietzsche's philosophy in the upcoming season. 01:13:26 🎙 The podcast reflects on its journey, reaching a million plays on Spotify and expressing excitement for Season 4.

[@philllove528]

this guy is an eloquent speaker

[@JayTX.]

Passenger - I've lost track of time again Only when I look in the mirror do I know how much time passed this time , my hair wasn't this gray before ,that line on my face is new. The more I try to be present the less I am ... I just slip back into it, unknowingly skipping days like pages. What I've been doing I don't know. A dream stripped of it's details upon awakening , only hazy images and flashes. How long will it last before it starts again..how long can I be lucid this time? I try to hang on tightly with my eyes open as long as I can. People tell me the things I did conversations I had ,but I wasn't there If the body can move and live without a mind does it need a soul at all ? mine only comes to me in glimpses And leaves me shortly after. Life seems to continue even with unwilling participation It does not care whether I am present it will be for me, and so it animates me against my will. ( wrote this one yesterday)

[@billysunday7507]

I hope I forget this comment forever

[@AlexandraDelRio1]

I love this, thank you

[@miinyoo]

A very familiar poem.

[@despair2805]

I've been thinking about this concept since I think that part of my life I have had problems to forget about some of the issues I have had along the way, I think that it has been only recently that I have really understood the importance of forgetting, somehow part of my life I thought that forgetting was some kind of a sign of weakness, but nowadays as you say at the end I have realized that it can be a form of strength and of a noble soul, that one can show the strength to not desire revenge. Thank you very much for this episode, many times I don't agree with Nietzsche but I do really think one can learn from him

[@Harish-sp8vl]

Thank you very much for this wonderful lecture. I appreciate the enormous efforts that you have put in to bring about this quality content.

[@uberboyo]

One of my favourite concepts form him!!!

[@toreeschiellerd4680]

it is neat to see you responding to this man's videos. i have watched both yours and his channels and find your exploration into the philosophy of Nietzche extremely thought provoking. Hats off to you gentlemen, you have my profound respect.

[@adhdasian1896]

Y'all might collab someday 🤓

[@bbyponk]

you fell off

[@itstimeforafuckingcrusade]

​@adhdasian1896 they already have.

[@chadefallstar]

love your work. I've only recently caught up and it's had a really profound effect on me. I'm really grateful for your hard work and effort!

[@okaytoletgo]

Yes, found it helpful, and am grateful you continue to present. Good wishes to you and the fellow community members.

[@kauffrau6764]

I just found you today on Thanksgiving Day. Grateful for your insight into my favorite philosopher. I especially appreciate the references to other books and ideas to provide depth and historical context. I’m going to read through his books again. ❤

[@OrdnanceTV]

This was the first thing I listened to this beautiful snow covered sunny Sunday morning. I have always had a terrible memory, made worse by medication and a few hockey concussions. The other day I was feeling anxious and sad that I had seemingly so few memories of my childhood compared to my peers, but this has changed those feelings completely and left me reassured that I not only shouldnt be anxious or sad about that, but also perhaps consider my ability to release past experiences much more easily and sometimes effortlessly in comparison to others. Thanks so much for all of these!

[@drgordo112]

Another great video. The channel continues to inspire!

[@martinrea8548]

Excellent. I have no other words; just excellent. 👍

[@deebaker9199]

This is gold for me thanks so much friend! Studying the application of the amends process in 12 step recovery....loving these insights from Nietzsche...I really get it when you explain. Thankyou so much ...just found your videos again! Gold 🙏👏🎉🎁💯🕯️

[@aWomanFreed]

Well deserved. It’s a great podcast.

[@Garblegox]

A great book on this topic is "The Forgetting Machine"

[@northmantru6236]

I would love for you to do a series on Culture of the Teutons. A monumental undertaking if done properly.

[@vikramchatterjee4495]

Shared this, thanks.

[@matthewbowman6247]

Great content again

[@jonargentina6285]

Our "Eternally Recurring" host. I get it! It represents a Fundamental misunderstanding on nietzche's part about the nature of the universe : in his day people thought that time is infinite and matter finite. Hence an eternal recurrence of every possible configuration of matter.

[@untimelyreflections]

Except not lol

[@miinyoo]

If I held in my heart every slight from human or environment that has occurred in my life I would be a morbidly bitter person. Thankfully I am unusually forgetful of things that have little or no visceral emotional impact. I agree with Nietzsche here. Forgetfulness is bliss very much like ignorance. The memories do not disappear but they are extremely hard to recall without some form of familiar stimulus. For example, I cannot recite lines from a book I love nor a television show while others can spew references until the sun wanes below the horizon. Sometimes it's annoying but it really does unclutter the mind hoarding leaving a pretty fresh slate to build upon for the time being however fleeting. It's easier to live in the now, be spontaneous and dare I say, weird. It does indeed help with creativity. Sadly, I don't find ignorance to be bliss. I really really wish I could be so willingly blind but I'm naturally too curious to stop the wheel turning. By unconscious effort, I tend to seek to remind myself constantly of history while also treading new paths I hadn't seen before. It's a fair bit of paradox but it could be worse.

[@parapendjex]

i appreciate the little ego boost at the beginning. i AM a free spirit, if freedom and spirits can be said to exist in a corporeal form.

[@andrewswanlund]

I appreciate your excellent microphone and sensitivity about recording levels. It's like you're in the room.

[@hilakummins3104]

I'm sorry to say, I listened to this twice & pretty sure it's a computer or AI not a person. Some errors a person speaking wouldn't make... and I hear it way more often lately, sadly 😢

[@yungmentalproblems]

@@hilakummins3104 youre slow

[@hilakummins3104]

@@yungmentalproblems Thanks! 🤗

[@andrewswanlund]

@@hilakummins3104 heh 'them's fightin' words' even the more advanced synthesized voices put me to sleep. I have a sixth sense for fake timbre.

[@hilakummins3104]

@andrewswanlund ok, @andrew -- I guess I stand corrected! I'm so obsessed with the terror of AI that I'm starting to see it everywhere 😱

[@andrewrsanchez]

How closely related are forgetfulness and forgiveness? And how is forgetfulness related to reincarnation and possible reasons why we forget past lives?

[@gus8310]

Each of our virtues is but the flower from the seed of our drives. These virtues want all the light of day, and wish not to share. Some may even sacrifice the soil, in order to leap up towards the light. Hold not many virtues, for the more soldiers on a battlefield, the muddier the soil becomes; and from where then will more flowers grow? Thus I say, only one virtue can reign, if one wishes for their soil to harvest its most precious fruits. How each virtue wishes to pluck all flowers for herself and leave none for others, but fear not your virtues, for they are you too; and from the death of one virtue, rises another. “But man is something that must be overcome; and therefore you shall love your virtues, for you will perish of them. Thus spoke Zarathustra.” ~ Friedrich Nietzsche

[@TheRealJC2023]

It's odd that Nietzsche would gender virtue as "herself" in this quote. I thought that Nietzsche and Schopenhauer wrote elsewhere that women do not truly have virtues - which I tend to agree with. Virtue is a masculine trait, while virtual signalling is the trait of the feminine.

[@gus8310]

@@TheRealJC2023 this isn’t a quote from Nietzsche. I personally referenced virtue as “herself” in this passage I wrote. The ending is Nietzsches quote. The passage was influenced by Nietzsche however.

[@gus8310]

@@TheRealJC2023 actually Nietzsche does refer to virtue as feminine in Zarathustra under the passage “on enjoying and suffering the passions”

[@daktraveler56]

Worth a listen or two or three.😊

[@paulrowe4409]

New season lets go

[@kallianpublico7517]

Is language necessary for memory?

[@kevselfff]

Brilliant!!!

[@Jabranalibabry]

I needed my Nietz dose, metal Zarathustra!

[@sleethmitchell]

self is memory. some animals have it; some humans don't. being old, i can feel my memory slip away with my 'self'. good riddance.

[@gormenfreeman499]

I can still remember some of my childhood memories as if I’m still there. I’m also here in the present. In the future I’ll be there and here also. Lmao

[@seanu6840]

Im loosing my sight as i get older, but i don’t want to see anymore at times and at times i do

[@roccodalessandro1023]

Indeed I am 62. My mother had said when you feel weaker it may be nature's way of preparing for what eventuality (perhaps death) is to unfold.

[@Alex-lg6nz]

I'm 36 and I was forced to constantly relocate my entire life. I'm not talking about between neighborhoods or cities here - countries, continents, and hemispheres. Completely different languages, cultures, and historical interpretations. Now I can barely recall anything before my 18th birthday and developing aphantasia. I suppose I should be thankful, in such case Alzheimer's counts as a blessing, you become detached from reality and lead a simpler life. Speaking of history - thank God for making me a Russian. People in the West are worried about the national debt they are leaving behind for their kids... ... that will be the least damning of their debts.

[@aAsShHtTo0nN]

@@Alex-lg6nz lol.

[@manuelbang2086]

Memory is based on attention or awareness. Short-term forgetfulness depends on how attentive you are or how present you are; the long-term forgetfulness depends on how present you were while certain event in the past was happening. People who tent to be more present forget less than those who are not.

[@ili626]

6:40 We don’t know this. Animals are a diverse group. Dogs remember quite a lot with their noses for example

[@minahimself]

Though it is not related to this particular video, I think you need to read Nietzsche, the aristocratic rebel by Domenico Losurdo. I would love from whole of my heart to know your full analysis of this book which I admire so much as I admire you. I'd be grateful even if you considered it.

[@gus8310]

Do you think A.I will be subject to the “will to power” if it becomes sentient or could we always just code it a certain way?

[@tetilatus]

These podcasts are amazing. The clarity of presentation unparralelled. Their importance as great as importance can be. Nietzsce was truly misunderstood. He knew he would be. But he knew also that in the future, after unimaginable sufferings, perhaps mankind would finally understand him. How can we forget without extracting the pound of flesh due to us as Shakespeares Schylock wanted? Only by forgiving. To forgive is to forget. That is the final solution to the jewish problem, and to the problem of the jews. To all problems ultimately. It is mankinds only hope. Nietzsche provides the necessary understanding, which is to understand the necessity of the historical process. Like Martin Luther we couldn't do otherwise, even the worst criminal did the best he could, crushed by his unfathomable suffering. Noone is guilty, or everyone is. Everyone acts in necessary accordance with their degree and kind of traumatizaton. Indeed the criminal is a madman, mad with suffering. The only cure to the hatred caused by our suffering is forgiveness, and that is only possible through understanding. As Leonard Cohen said in his last song that he was working on in his head before he died: "If you have to go crazy, go crazy with love!" I heard it where William Blake saw his parade of fairies, and the ghost of a flea, in the imagination. But as Robert Anton Wilsons exorcist friend pointed out "Demons are an unimaginative lot!. He was a succesful exorsist, even though he was not a priest, and merely did it as a fun hobby. Why? Because unlike most catholic priests he was not a hypocrite. Demons hate hypocrites above all! For it was because they had to live among hypocrites that they became so evil that they ended up in hell. A truly good man they love, and will listen to. I heard of a buddhist munk who exorcized a demon merely by talking rationally to him, and convincing him to take refuge in the three jewels and the five precepts. On doing this the demon, who had been comissioned to kill an innocent girl by a scorned suitor, knew it would die. Even demons in hell cling to their lifes, such as it is. But on taking refuge in the buddha and the ethical precepts the demon vanished from the girl. It probably vanished from hell also. As Evola was a Super fascist, so too Wilhelm Reich was a Super Communist. If one understands Nietzsche, and if one understands Wilhelm Reich who was as influenced by Nietzsche as by Marx, one understand a lot. A lot! Reich who discovered and gave name to "the emotional plague of mankind," a.k.a. the spirit of resentment, the sexual neurosis in its most malignant form, as the hatred of life and everything natural and living, he who discovered its cure in vegetotheraphy, the cure to "mechanical fucking," who discovered the possibility of the restoration of mans "orgastic potency," his capability to have an orgasm of love rather than a mere ejaculation, an orgasm which is functionally identical to religious extacy, he who discovered above all, the life energy and mans natural original way of making love: "the loving embrace between man and woman", proto tantric sex. And if one in addition understands the last book of the Super Fascist Evola on the metaphysics of sex, and if one understands the unimaginably important Super Darwinism of Jeremy Griffith, which is also much inspired by Nietzsche offcourse, then one can attain to the perspective of "the Pseudoscience of Totality." One must simultaneously be a right wing extremist and a left wing extremist. Then one gets the largest possible wingspan, then one becomes not a centrist, but truly centered. Then one can soar higher than anyone before. I soared high above the mountain with the eagles, and saw Nietzsche walking alone there in the mountains below, alone and distraught. I called unto him: "Behold! I bring good tidings! The Messiah is near!" He fell to his knees in tears exclaiming: "Finally! I have been waiting so long!" I've been long contemplating a book. The idea came to me in the forest, upon ingesting some mushrooms, admittedly. I was contemplating the question of hatred, when an innocent female voice said to me: "Why don't you just stop hating then?" Then a sort of extacy occured, and my body was flooded with love pouring out from the heart. The whole pantheon of every writer I had read came to me, and promised me to help write the book. The book to end all books. The book with the many titles. One for each hexagram in the I Ching. One of the titles is this: "The Pseudoscience of Totality! The art of penetration! The art of engulfment! An orgonomic sex manual! Or learning how to grok!" Another of the titles is this: "Apocalypse Now! The Great Unveiling! Behold a pale Horsecock! The last stance of the Bonobo!" But the main title is this: The Great Reframe! Return to innocense! Return to Counterspace!" As leonard Cohen said: "Anyone who says I'm not a jew, is not a jew. The verdict is final" Only a jew could have possibly understood what I have understood. You can't deny! Above all, I am not a denier! Who am I tho say all this? I am certainly not a demon! The proof of that seems to be in the pudding of my imagination. -M (Dionysos and the crucified)

[@blu3_fish869]

im a big fan of the podcast, i am wondering if you will ever do readings of nietzsche, like deleuzes

[@untimelyreflections]

Coming soon.

[@franksomarriba6719]

Did you do the narration for one of Schopenhauer’s pessimism?

[@graemegeorgeharrison2468]

What are we without love and memory? I am nothing

[@farr4_moon87]

The thumbnail is from dantes inferno, no?!

[@byronchurch]

Wow that is some heavy shit Fredrich !

[@martin.ballard]

Standout episode!

[@dashlamb9318]

Mr. K. How, where, and do Nietzsche and Proust intersect?

[@Paul4Krista20]

Well, I must be a force to reckoned with 😂

[@laffing_hwhitee]

Excellence in many respects

[@_7.8.6]

47:04 I guess that’s where the saying “a pound of flesh” comes from then

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

In other words who are you without memory... what is left if all that's left is drives or instincts to survive, eat and sleep and roam in between meals. ... what is there if there are no memories but the "memories" needed for survival?? PS: I looked in the description, but told me not who you are, the narrator, and how you became one of the Godless and Nietzsche apprentice. I have been re-reading N. for a long time, not finding new better materials, I keep on doing it, somehow the KZbin algo recommended your video, I'm five minutes in and so far so great. Question: Some years ago before he was world famous I asked Jordan Peterson after listening to one of his word salads on Nietzsche, what I should read after ringing Nietzsche since I found nothin deeper and more concise than Nietzsche, a few weeks later he answered that he thought no one, but if I wanted to try reading Jung that wold be a good new angle. Do you agree or do you have some new thinkers in mind?? I never got into Jung for a variety of reasons, the most salient one is that I don't think he is higher or better or even furthering than Nietzsche... ideas?? What is there to read of substance and not just entertainment after Nietzsche??

[@gus8310]

A will for knowledge wishes to expand and conquer; but for what aims? Why does it expand and why does it require more to be satisfied? Might it be the fundamental force of gravity working on us too? As it expands it attracts more knowledge to it? Maybe it isn’t that we are searching for knowledge, but that knowledge is searching for us, so it may be seen? Would appreciate any thoughts on this or any philosophical ideas, thank you friends.

[@RandyM5]

And just as gravity will never stop neither will the hunger for knowledge. I believe it expands because of momentum. like something falling from way up high. As above So Below, fits well with this IMO. Where the Momentum comes from is something Im meditating on. Its a challenging project and I might have to stop soon. Its above my pay grade ...maybe

[@gus8310]

@@RandyM5 Very interesting point with momentum too. Also if you refer to the Matthew principle too then it would fit nicely with those that have more will gain more, and those with less will gain less. Yeah I’m no physicist I’m only 20 in college doing some “research” on other “fields” shall we say. But I think if we hold the concept of everything starting from one event then it’s really hard to grasp where motion came from. Maybe we are looking at it wrong.

[@gus8310]

Could the will to power be gravity itself? Might gravity be playing a role in our truth seeking? Does gravity affect people differently to others? On such a micro scale that the only effect we see is in our thought?

[@prometheus1111111]

In the synthetic consciousness prepared for cultivating the hoi polloi, I will draw your attention to a reason why intractable conflicts occur, long outliving the allegedly harmony making balance sheet of of pain and revenge theory articulated by Nietzsche. If Simply compared to the animal kingdom, Nietzsche's theory of civilization ascent depends upon this particular intrepretation of memory, and how we came to the consciousness we now possess etc. He Alleges this development is the fruit of a brutality so severe, forgetting would only then be no longer possible (learning by trauma). Putting aside our psychological observation that trauma actually forestalls learning, apparently due to the violent and extreme punishments of early societies, we are told Man could finally sublimate not merely his violent impulses but by extension all others. In this way emotions are now harnessed by the manacles of thought association (thought automatically linking to every impression in fact) and on the basis all his higher powers come. That the natural forces in man may now be distorted, neutralized or neutered is not considered in this brutal process of domestication. Nor that such development It's not likely to anylonger properly belong to the original organic being. Given the brutal implanting of this foreign installation, What proves this so called consciousness is any more than a mechanical relay system,? Or by virtue of the esteemed mirroring process, a mind virus? When awakening to thier fabricated histories, religions, sciences, we realize we know very little of real antiquity, thus the actual transformative process that shaped us today (or degeneration) that took place. Thanks also to Nietzsche's interpretation of our esteemed consciousness, It is nolonger possible to imagine how our original consciousness could be comprehensive, direct, all encompassing, to the extent it woukd never require a synthetic mirror in the form of language. Now From what I've told you so far, try and guess how such a mirror of Narcissus came about in the first place. And with that also all the necessary interpretations and fabrications that had to justify it.

[@timothylamattina3697]

I'm no idealist, and this is definitely not the ideal contribution that Imagined I would be making to the podcast. But I can provide some antedotal evidence to support Nietzsche's assumption that prolonged pain and fear can accelerate the development of, or create a fuller, more fantastical imagination. I'm not embarrassed to admit this, but it feels embarrassing to admit, if that makes any sense. My two younger brothers and I had a very rough childhood, it wasn't all bad, but could have done without the following. My stepfather beat and tortured my younger brothers and I, daily sometimes multiple times a day, for years and years on end, like hypothesized by Nietzsche, the living in constant fear and stress, instilled in me an imagination that I knew was far more dynamic than that of my peers,. This wasn't too much of a problem during my school years, I was a pretty much a straight A student and I used my enhanced imagination in my creative writing class and subjects of that nature. Where it did become and stay a problem, was in my early adulthood up until my mid 30s. Where I guess most young adults would imagine what their short, mid, and long range goals they want to set for themselves which could realistically be achieved. When I attempted the same the goals I set were unrealistic, and even when they were realistic, I would imagine that I accomplished them all so easily, it was like I already accomplished them all, it's not hard to imagine the problems these imagined beliefs would have on actually reaching said desired goals. Knowing full well it was a real problem, I tried telling myself, wishful thinking is a key ingredient to success, and all sorts of other lies along those lines. It wasn't until my 30s, when I had to spend a minute in time-out, that I was finally able to rid myself of that artifact from my childhood, I wish I could say it changed my life and everything was rainbows and sprinklers after that, but I can't,, and even though I still have the occasional nightmare, I'm 57 years old, so I guess I'm stuck with those till death do us part, they have become far less frequent and far less violent over time. It is what it is. There is at least one positive I can gleam from the experience, that being, that as unorthodox as my childhood was, and adulthood was no joyride either, I would gladly relive my life over again without changing a thing, not sure if that's straight up Nietzschian or straight up insanity on my part, either way I can live with it. Thanks Keegan Keep up the good work.

[@MrPoe22]

Memory is a form of self-torture, in my opinion; it stages to serve no viable purpose, aside from psychologically imprisoning oneself, by affixing the rusty chains of the past.

[@HookBeak_66]

Let us not forget there's three responses to danger " flight, fight " as you said, its " flight, fight or freeze " if you please.

[@kingreyes8586]

I was about to listen to another video amd ypu said madmen .... so I stayed lol

[@iamKristianBell]

Hey! Been following for a long time. I was wondering if you ever had guests on your show? I think we'd have some good synergy

[@prometheus1111111]

You say no animal had to feel the dishonor of unrequited revenge, but that is also because they will act appropriately all the more because their consciousness is real, intact and belongs to them. Humanity on the other hand, is utterly controlled by rulers because by this so called connsciousness, man censors himself on behalf of those who concieved punishment, rules, encoded language, culture itself. As a result,he cannot percieve or admit the tyranny beffallen him, he always looks outide, he always takes a side. That his life is a proxy for the will of rulers he cannot suspect. In this way rulers remain hidden all the more. As inventors of this so called consciousness (& culture the language) without any exageration it can also be said our masters or lords if you prefer, have literally given YOU ( hoi polloi) their minds. Despite what side your on, You invariably identify with their values their wishes their goals and don't even know it. Now it should be clearer how This memory theory of Nietzsche is a perfect example of oligarchical will. Wittingly or probably otherwise, Nietzche acted on behalf of the masters, The real authors who truly rule our realm. Slavery is the apotheosis of this so called consciousness, really a synthetic consciousness, created by your masters, who in your stolkholm syndrome you refuse to believe exist.

[@mortymcfry7944]

I'm an animal an elephant's goldfish. My master remembers for me untill one forgets to water the fish to feed the fish. When the elephant dies so does the memory. Left in the fins of a goldfish, one with CRS (can't remember shit) who is left without an exterior memory, a digital spectacle. In what memory does the goldfish exist other than the elephant.

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

The idea that forgetfulness is necessary for True Life may explain why God - not merely in the Christian sense but Brahma, the Monad, the Tao, etc - has to create contingent beings (that is beings with limitations, forgetfulness maybe primary among them) in order to have experiences that it as the pure, undivided and eternally conscious and omniscient divine mind could never have or appreciate. Brahma dreams and batter himself into fragments because when he is awake he is eternally aware of himself and his entire self and that is both omnipotence and omni misery. That when you ascend to Pure potential and possibility it does not spur Supreme action but in fact Supreme in action. the central Resevoir of Divinity is motionless and everything revolves around it. It is timeless not in the sense of being non-historical but of being infinitely historical in every moment.

[@mosesmessiah9098]

@4:06

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

Sometimes i wonder if not only all religiosity but all of humanity is at its core a more or less thinly veiled death cult and for example the ancient mesoamerican cultures just expressed our obsession with death the most openly and in a very theatrical way even more than the methods of medieval times in Europe.

[@nielsebbesen7821]

Speaking of slights to honour - I am nationally obliged to inform you that Vilhelm Grønbech was Danish, not German ;) Other than that, excellent podcast - as per usual!

[@PhilipStacey-ty2em]

We forget to survive at times, forcibly forget, or our brains would shutdown.

[@republicanscab2967]

I wanted to watch this, but as soon as I saw 1:15:+ time commitment I left. I would have loved to watch a 10-15 minute version on this topic. This video topic needs a teaser more powerful that just a descriptive name.

[@shehroz295]

Nope

[@gunnaschanelbag]

W vid

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

Well, History as a guide has not so far worked to eliminate the errors of history, from repeating them, so history becomes a circular inevitability since human nature or being remains the same, it makes sense that History remains the same... no?? But history seems would repeat itself even if we did manage to forget history, if human drives remain the same. only new toys and new ways of doing the same things those drives move humanity to doing. Cynicism or realism...??

[@TheDrb27]

17:18 I’ve heard a CogSci professor say that learning language is when memories start. No speech , no memory?

[@harem_polycule]

non-humsn animals obbioudly hsve memory. this is silly

[@TheDrb27]

@@harem_polycule what memories can you recall before you could talk? I didn’t word it very well as I was referring to working memory. Look up John Vervaeke if you would like to hear someone who knows what they are talking about lay it out for you.

[@harem_polycule]

@@TheDrb27 ok yeah didn't understand parameters. Has to be something to explain humans taking years to mature enough to defend themselves compared to most other animals. I personally have small handful pre-k memories aged 4 max. any. of those are now warped to be very different. Have heard ppl talk about pre age 4 memories and basically always sounds like bs. Longterm memory is encoded more reliably when we're we have strong feelings, esp of significance. Sorry but your cool story about something when you were 1 is basically a self planted fantasy imo. Speech takes humans long time to even start attempting to stumble through. Being beings that can self reflect on being seems to take a while. We just sponge accociations and conditioning, one starts functionally understanding the almost virtually infinitely faceted world of just lived bodies existence. Ultimately think not about language at all but rather takes forever to have ones world unveiled enough to them to understand anything in a way that could possibly entail performing embodied existence. Too much credit almost always ascribed to language wrt anything about humans. Linguistic anthropomorphism.

[@TheDrb27]

@@harem_polycule we are definitely on the same page now. Terms like relevance realization, salient landscape and language as a psycho technology really start laying out how we think. I find it all very fascinating.

[@rogerwhittaker7073]

And why did Bertrand Russell have such a low view of Nietzsche's philosophy?

[@no.stache.nietzsche1635]

Sah-tai-i-tee

[@hilakummins3104]

Did he write Remembrances of Things Past? Two people have suggested i read that book here in hospice

[@bonnieblack5648]

I thought this title said origins of mermaids. The time stamp covered the remaining letters, so the letters “me “ was definitely mermaids to me, but a bit disappointed after a few minutes.

[@tomrhodes1629]

Intelligence without wisdom is like a boat without water. Socrates had a genius for illustrating that wisdom is knowing that you DON'T know. Nietzsche had some correct ideas, but many incorrect ideas. His intelligence exceeded his wisdom and his half-truths have corrupted many minds, because a half-truth is more deceptive than a whole lie. Can you sort the wheat from the chaff? Only if you have much wisdom. Elijah has returned, as prophesied, and testifies.

[@redrustyhill2]

His writing has always sounded like ramblings of a lunatic. I would argue there is very little intelligence in his "philosophy "

[@hussienmohammed2914]

Distraction, good distraction, or forgetfullness?? westerners learns English between the age of two and 10 letsay, but me I started learning it at 30 years old.. like a bb, my reactions to English Lexion is a first..

[@ron1836]

Our biology is the cause for our mental state. Then memory adds layers to this. Our mind, if powerful enough can chose to take actions which will in time change corse and remake our biology.

[@georgeflitzer7160]

Really? Was this why we wanted to break up Australians First Peoples Spirituality? Surly Nietzsche did not know of them or their vast way of remembering...

[@zerotwo7319]

Makes sense that christianity contributed to the colapse of civilization, as people viewed martyrdom as a blessing and remembered that ... this question of remembrance is also important with our creations in the near future, how will they remember our orders? They can simply 'forget' as in not obeying...

[@sudhirpatel7620]

Nature goes on forever for everyone and everything to return as everyone and everything an infinite number of times through evolutionary processes. 🌌

[@user-lr2ib1cv4d]

Short. Genealogy of morals: source: torture, God, and credit.

[@Cantread807]

You don't know that about animals, remembering. Maybe they just respond differently. They certainly have different priorities. But to say you know about something you will never have the answer to is a cosmic crime my friend.

[@FormsInSpace]

neitzsche is wrong. animals do "remember" tricks and words. how to give a paw, "sit". "roll over" "heal". "come" . "no" .. "go for a walk". ect. all animals remember where their water source is, what foods they prefer. squirrels even have abstract thought of "storing nuts for future hunger" this also implies the same self survival IE "self/consiousness" that homo sapiens have. just as I can't experience what the dog experiences . nor can I experience what you do. . yet I assume you are a "consciouse / self" also ants deny their base impulse to eat the food, instead they carry it back to their queen/colony. dog's are taught to deny their base instinct to chase prey, with just a a word "heal" or "stay". all of man's so called "civilized restraint" is just acting out his survival instinct. . in your example : if you sleep with the kings daughter, you risk death. this is not being "civilized" this is being "selfish" for one's own selfish survival instinct. the same instinct that allows man to kill another in defense, or over resources, or reputation/pride.

[@bbyponk]

they dont think about it very hard

[@prs_81]

Your understanding of the process seems to be shallow. Nietzsche said civilization was born out of the natural process of selfish mindless instict being "traumatized" sufficiently to become the yet still "selfish"/"self preserving" idea of bad conscience or guilt about having manifested the said instinct. So you are essentially in agreement with him. And about animalistic memory. Well, yes animals have memory but they don't have memory in the context of understanding and *living as humans do* the concepts of past/future. A human lives in all three modes (past, present and future) essentially at the same time. But animals that lack the level of human cognition and consciousness only really live -hermeneutically (if can be said)- in the present. Training an animal is a rather different topic since you're instilling an instinct in them or adjusting one of their instincts to your liking through reward/punishment rather than it happening through a true time-conceptual understanding of their own. Schopenhauer spoke about this in The World as Will and Representation. You should probably read it since Nietzsche was heavily influenced by his ideas.

[@MsViollentia]

Cute. I think revenge is necessary to teach some people their true place in the universe when they become pompous.

[@MrWhiskers65]

Nietzsche clearly did not spend any time with animals.

[@philllove528]

wanderers and madmen..hahahah

[@leelele5673]

You are NOT the body but the consciousness In gratitude with unconditional love 🙏🙏🙏🤍🕊✨🤍🙏🙏🙏