Beyond Good and Evil PS2 vs XBOX

[@ErikGPL]

I've played the PS2 version multiple times, but it looks defenitly a lot better on the Xbox.

[@nikodem123asdf]

yeah for sure the GC version also looks real nice and has very good framerate

[@whodatninja439]

can you make a comparison with the HD version, PC version and emulated Gamecube version?

[@nikodem123asdf]

No plans for it. I really kinda hate the PC version it's impossible to set up right and I don't have the HD version

[@whodatninja439]

​@@nikodem123asdf I agree it's garbage. I'm trying to find the best way to play BGE in HD, either on Dolphin emulated or the Xbox 360 HD version

[@nikodem123asdf]

I'd put my vote down on gamecube version played on dolphin

[@ThePreciseClimber]

I wonder which version was the first one they developed. According to the Wikipedia, the PS2 and GCN version were made by Ubisoft Montpellier and the Xbox and PC ones were made by Ubisoft Milan. Could it be the PS2 version was the first one? It's a little hard to tell.

[@nikodem123asdf]

Ubisoft like many companies at the time primed the PS2 version, tho I wouldn't be too suprised if the initial built was for the xbox since that one is the only one where you can see things that in other versions are off screen and the framerate's best in that version.

[@Banzeken]

@@nikodem123asdf The E3 2002 build of BG&E (called Project BG&E at the time) was confirmed to be running on PS2 hardware, as reported by Gamespot back then. It's safe to say that PS2 was the target platform as it wasn't a port by Ubisoft Milan and it also looks a bit better than the Gamecube version in at least a couple of aspects. Gamecube is missing some notable flare/bloom lighting (see planetary shot in opening cutscene, where Gamecube looks extremely dim next to the other platforms) and water reflections look extremely chunky/pixelated next to the PS2 version's water. I don't think the Xbox version had the first build either because that version also has some graphical weirdness in places that no other version has (I blame Milan for that).

[@nikodem123asdf]

@@Banzeken that's interesting take on it. We also need to take into account that PC version was being made alongside it, pretty much most games ubisoft put out had both console and PC versions that were released at a similar time after all.

[@Banzeken]

@@nikodem123asdf ​ @Nikodem R I did actually test out the original PC version extensively on a 2003 computer (Athlon64 3200+ CPU & Geforce 6800GT, so maybe not a 2003 GPU) to see how it compared to PS2 (only version I have access to currently). Cutscenes/dialogues actually run a bit too fast unless you crank resolutions above 1024x768. No matter what framerate the game ran at, lip animations were always a bit out of sync on PC and I also encountered some weird visual quirks like characters "teleporting" to another spot for a split-second during object-pushing animations. By far the worst aspect about the PC verison is that the water reflections when boat driving run at an abysmal framerate even on top-of-the-line 2003 hardware. That is unless you put water detail to Low, which makes it far uglier than any console version. I tried to like the PC version, but I simply couldn't. That's my verdict.

[@nikodem123asdf]

@@Banzeken I remember the PC version that was released in my country was in general a huge mess. Also I recall no damn controller support which made sections with forced fixed camera really awkward.

[@RkivUnderground]

I've played a bit of the GameCube version on my Wii. You can make it output 480p when you load it through Nintendont, but for some reason Nintendont refuses this game any save functionality whatsoever, at least in my experience.

[@nikodem123asdf]

weird i played it on nintendont, even recorded it and uploaded it, and i was able to save no problem

[@XEM_Ajax]

lol nintendont

[@nikodem123asdf]

It does with gamecube games that the Wii does not, it enables 480p and/or widescreen where it normally isnt present also in case of some games it alos removes slowdown cause it uses wii specs so like the slowdown during prism stars in Tales of Symphonia= GONE. It wont make a 30 fps game run at 60 but it makes the framerates more consistent

[@volo870]

Nintendon't has troubles saving to SD card. I'd advice investing several bucks into GC memory card - those are quite affordable now.

[@nikodem123asdf]

odd, well I used USB, it's bad for playing ISO's in general, I had games crash, but for beyond good and evil mem cards worked

[@napalmhardcore]

What's the issue with the HD remake? It's free this month for Playstation Plus (hence me researching it as I never played it).

[@nikodem123asdf]

+napalmhardcore the HD remake just isn't great, but honestly for the kind of money they asked for it it was obvious it was a budget HD re-release. I'd say go for it and see for yourself. The issues it has is that it's very selectively HD with most of the game still being the exact same thing as the PS2/XBOX and GC, they only re done the main characters and made everything much darker(you can battle that with the tv settings I'm sure). One really good thing they did was that they made the framerate much better (instead of hanging between 40-60 it's always 60 in the HD version. Also apparently they introduced a bunch of new glitches with one preventing you from progressing (you can make sure to avoid it by always keeping an extra save in akuda bar). Still it's nowhere near as bad as the Rayman 3 HD or Prince of Persia HD collection

[@napalmhardcore]

+Nikodem R Thank you for the info. I guess being that it's free, not being the most lovingly remastered game in the world is something I can live with. Think I'll give it a shot :)

[@nikodem123asdf]

napalmhardcore Yeah if you dont mind, could you let me know if you ran into any problems yourself, Maybe they have patched out some things and I just dont know

[@napalmhardcore]

+Nikodem R I'll try to remember to get back to you when I get around to playing it. I've been working through a backlog of games, so I'm not sure when I'll be playing it. Is it a long game? I could bump it up the priority list if it isn't massively long.

[@nikodem123asdf]

napalmhardcore it's actually quite short, even if you go for most of the side stuff it's round 6-8 hours or so

[@absolution9249]

Every beyond good and evil version is personalized

[@miangd6321]

Loved this comparison helped me alot i played this game on my ps2 when i was a kid and i didnt care about lag and graphics but now i know xbox is better thanks for that and btw can u make a comparison for the hobbit 2003 on the xbox and ps2 :)

[@nikodem123asdf]

glad you liked it, I don't really have plans to play that game anytime soon as I don't even own a copy

[@miangd6321]

@@nikodem123asdf aw i wish u could

[@paperthings5746]

I just hope the sequel would turn out good, but I’m not holding my breath…

[@nikodem123asdf]

I know it's an old comment but yeah basically all hopes for that game turning out as anything to look forward to have been dashed when the director of the original left the project a few years back. To be fair even with his involvement ... it didn't look promising, the fact they decided to make it a Prequel rather than giving a follow up to the goddamn cliffhanger ending was already a red flag.

[@AdriaOliSal]

Why don't you like the PC version? I think has better textures than PS2 and doesn't cut the image on the bottom and the top.

[@nikodem123asdf]

It has terrible compatibility wit newer computers and there is no controller support. I looked through it recently and there are ways to fix allot of things, but the "out of the box" version on GOG and Steam is downright broken.

[@KOTEBANAROT]

@@nikodem123asdf steam version is finally fixed now, dear god. It has controller support and everything.

[@nikodem123asdf]

@@KOTEBANAROT are you serious? it only took 17 years

[@KOTEBANAROT]

@@nikodem123asdf i assume its because of BGE 2 or something. Though that still doesnt really make sense, thats the only thing that could make Ubi remember this game

[@nikodem123asdf]

@@KOTEBANAROT yeah that sequel that was going to arrive 3 generations ago and is still in the making

[@MrFreeman626]

The XBOX version is, as expected, much better. The GameCube version probably is too since the game is just 2.4GB big (at least based off the PC version), with some compression if would fit the MiniDVD without much trouble. The difference in aspect ratio is very interesting, judging by it i guess the PC version is based off the XBOX port, since it can't actually output 16:9 even with mods, only 16:10, 21:9 or 4:3. And yeah the PC version is kinda crap, but with some tweaking and care it's actually better looking than the HD version.

[@nikodem123asdf]

TheFreeman gamecube discs are only 1,3 gb large tho. But yeah the pc version can be playable and better looking than the HD port but thats mostly because there is an even distribution of detail (what i mean is the hd bersion has that nasty "lets just enhance the main character" thing). Gamecube version isnt bad at all sometime ago i forced it into running in 480p on my wii with nintendont it looks just as good as the xbox version. The worst thing with the pc release for me is lack of controler support

[@MrFreeman626]

Nikodem R Yeah the lack of controller support is complete bullshit. I still don't really get why any version aside from the HD re-release has actual 16:9 support. On the PC it isn't too much of a problem with some simple mods but some pixels from top and bottom are missing. At least i can run the game with anti aliasing and texture filtering tho on the PC.

[@nikodem123asdf]

it technically counts the whole screen as its display area, since in some scenes the letterboxing fades to white, so that might be it. I dont have much experience with widescreen hacks on the PC but the one time I did that for Harry Potter 2 things would get weird with all 2D assets and certain sections.

[@joel8558]

PS2 Wins

[@Kage5868]

The ps2 is running in 640x448 and xbox is 640x480 they ruined it by using AA as result the image is way blurry

[@nikodem123asdf]

Yeah pretty much it has some off post processing filter that doesn't make the game look any nicer. The way to go with this game is the GC version via Nintendon't on the wii or just play it on GC emulator on PC for proper controller support.

[@so-vp2qh]

@@nikodem123asdfGC version is missing tons of effects.

[@nikodem123asdf]

@@so-vp2qh it could be but allot of the effects in the Xbox version don't make the game look better either.

[@untested3344]

@@nikodem123asdfit’s seems like the best version is ps2, despite some lower textures it seems to be sharper, all the correct effects compared to other versions, colors seem a bit better, and whites are brighter. Only thing that seems a lot worse is frame rate. Did you think the frame rate issues were that noticeable?

[@nikodem123asdf]

@@untested3344 GC is basically similar looks wise to PS2 without excessive filtering of the Xbox. Also back then I had less than optimal Xbox component cable, not sure if it would have made that much difference but it could be a factor. At the same time Xbox games did tend to be more blurry. In general this video is quite old, I'd be able to do it much better now with my current recording set up.

[@xiki1506]

Juegazo

[@lastof-us1882]

Ps2 win

[@nikodem123asdf]

if you have the first model it's ok but if you have a slim this game breaks

[@ClaudioVarone3299]

Looks garbage on PS2 lmao.