BFG Ageia PhysX Processor Card - Retro Unboxing

[@RageSondrayy]

The reason there's not really many PhysX games is because Nvidia doesn't like sharing.

[@HinanawiTenko]

+Rage Actually, if you read up on it, Nvidia offered ATI (yes, before AMD discontinued the ATI brand) PhysX AND CUDA support but they turned it down, thinking their StreamAPI would be just as good.  Also, more and more games are using PhysX, just under Nvidia Gameworks APIs. The code calculations are identical, just fully optimized for CUDA. Nvidia split the PhysX drivers on the DEVELOPER side to make utilization easier and its working.

[@ZunaZurugi]

+mathwizi2005 Mhhh really interessting, but could also mean NVIDIA wanted to much for it but need to find some source for it anyway ^^

[@HinanawiTenko]

TsunaTsurugi Well again, AMD thought their Stream Processor design was superior, and for sheer grunt work clock for clock, AMD will TROUNCE all over Nvidia's GPUs but both sides have their downfalls. AMD have amazing hardware but shitty drivers so NOTHING is optimized for the Stream architecture. Nvidia has AMAZING drivers with crappy architecture, don't believe me? Why would Nvidia be rushing....to get every Gameworks API out the door as soon as possible? If their GPUs were truely all powerful, why are they still pushing out low-end hardware calls to optimize hardware use? I'll let you answer those and don't get me wrong, I'll pick Nvidia over AMD anyday (550 Ti > 750 Ti > 970) but their GPUs are SHIT.

[@ZunaZurugi]

***** But Nvidia have powersaving GPU's i mean thats quite good. Nvidia and AMD both bring out "low end" GPU's what is a good thing because they are quite good for a low price.

[@HinanawiTenko]

TsunaTsurugi I agree but one thing you REALLY shouldn't say in the same sentence is GPU and power saving. GPU wattage only matters for Non-gamers and thats NOT what these GPUs are aimed at.

[@Jgs92692]

"We're really still waiting for that killer app that comes along and makes physics an integral part of the gameplay where you can deter or kill the other characters with physics movement." Someone didn't play Half-Life 2 or any of it's episodes.

[@LinusTechTips]

That was weak... And also not physx ;)

[@adminmovie]

LinusTechTips you have a channel called LinusFuckTips ?

[@BrainSeepsOut]

LinusTechTips There's also Red Faction Guerilla. But both aren't anything that doesn't work without a dedicated card.

[@SparkGlassesVocaloid]

adminmovie I would subscribe

[@MegaBakuMon]

adminmovie LinusSexTips rhymes (BTW sorry for commenting so late XD)

[@TopiasSalakka]

I don't think PhysX is going mainstream before we AMD users can use it properly.

[@royvannieuwkasteel7885]

that will take a while.....amd SUCKS, no im not a hater, i have AMD myself and i hate it!

[@Rahkoi]

Roy Van Nieuwkasteel *not a hater* and *i hate it* huh?

[@cesrai]

DerpFromFinland your pic is appropriate

[@BengalBoy16]

Yeah, PhysX is not distributed fairly. I recently converted from my AMD 7970 to a Nvidia GTX 980 and the PhysX is rather noticeable in games like Borderlands 2, but it is abit like Nvidia is shooting them self in the foot when only allowing PhysX on there GPUs, when I believe PhysX can work on AMD GPUs, they just code it to not to be allowed.

[@amshermansen]

Roy Van Nieuwkasteel I'd have to say that in this particular case nVidia are the ones "sucking". They aren't allowing AMD to implement PhysX into their graphics cards. And because of that PhysX will remain a niché thing that nobody truly cares about. It's a gimmick at most. Any developer who wants to sell their product makes it optional and uses CPU based PhysX for anything critical so that AMD customers can play.

[@TheSatch10]

I miss these videos with no script and no crazy camera stands and setups! Grant it you guys have spoiled us with the great quality videos nowadays but it's really nice to see this old format. It feels much more personal and intuitive. Please do these more often! :D

[@Outfrost]

PhysX is not going to succeed unless AMD can get it on their cards or they put the PPU on a separate PCIe card (like in the original concept). Compatibility issues is what holds back on progress and technological advancement, and nvidia is one of the leading propagators of incompatibility.

[@MrW4ippy]

They are the leading propagator of incompatibility because they are the leaders in innovation.

[@dhkatz_]

berzu21 Don't bitch about them innovating, Nvidia developed CUDA, G-SYNC, 3D surround, Optimus, and moved PhysX onto the GPU. Sure there may be first party but David is right, they are leaders in innovation which cause them to be the leaders of incompatibility.

[@ChrispyNut]

iLuZiioNz Tutorials and I'm sure the ACTUAL developers, the engineers are REALLY happy that only a subset of gamers are able to enjoy their work. Don't know about anyone else, but all the engineers I know just want to move things forward, money's not their motivator, innovation is!

[@SpeedyDrawMcGraw]

iLuZiioNz Tutorials Yes but, CUDA is ass when compared to OpenCL

[@moistcena648]

Guys. NVidia is making Cash like the asians Do cheap work. AMD and NVidia are the Kings When it comes to gpu battles. But for every invention that NVidia Made, AMD comes by and bitchslaps them. Mantel, True Audio, PhysX blah blah blah. It doesnt evwn matters. If you Have much Money Most peps would go with an NVidia gpu. But AMD has Better Performance for the cash you Have to pay... Buuut Its not always like this. AMD had the r9 200 series, But NVidia now has the 900 series witch is Better in my opinion. Both Series are fucking good. Buuuut... Its still a question What Games Youll play. Many Developers create their own physic engine so theres no gpu/cpu bitching.

[@DougGreen1987]

Loved it, I want to see more retro technology videos. I like knowing where it all started and how far it has come or perhaps fallen off the map.

[@Crazymindplow]

Please put it into a PC and test it!

[@Crazymindplow]

***** But he can use his scrapyard wars pc to use it :D

[@Luke29121999]

+The Professor even my MSI z170 Krait gaming MoBo has a legacy PCI slot, so im sure linus has atleast one MoBo with legacy PCI

[@Luke29121999]

***** well, quite a few z170 MoBos have legacy PCI support. geizhals.at/?cat=mbp4_1151&asd=on&asuch=z170&xf=489_1#xf_top im sure linus has one of these laying around.

[@NICKSTER117]

+TechGeniux I have one of these cards and can't for the life of me find drivers that are supported on my rig. Even if there were drivers, modern games using Physx won't utilize the card since they're now programmed to utilize the graphics card rather than the Physx card. It was pretty cool to run Cellfactor w/ my 5870 though. oh, fun times.

[@Crazymindplow]

Nick Ortiz Then get a new (old) rig.. Just kidding xD

[@martincoufalik9101]

It was custom processor, but not so much. It was actually reworked 6600GT core with some DDR3 memory. It was using pixel shader pipelines pretty much as Cuda cores, that have come later. Most of custom stuff was in driveres.

[@teknoman117]

I wish Bullet Physics Library would get more love than it does. It uses OpenCL for its hardware acceleration backend, meaning you get accelerated performance on ATI, Nvidia, Intel GPUs, Intel Xeon Phy, etc...

[@randomminecraftperson3981]

I have always been a fan of retro unboxings. Interesting to go back and see the products that we used to have, especially the ones that no longer exist.

[@SyphistPrime]

and Nvidia killed the hardware accelerated PhysX by keeping it proprietary.

[@arabonarocketcamel8352]

Come on, with the emmense processing power in modern GPUs and CPUs what would a phyx card be good for?

[@hoseinqadam]

He never mentioned anything about a dedicated card did he? The person was referring to the technology being squandered by NVIDIA and not being able to really take off as it should.

[@SyphistPrime]

Adam Hosein exactly. They killed the technology buy not letting AMD use it. If AMD could've used it (possibly a fee to use it on their cards) then the tech would've lived on. Thanks to Nvidia's business practices though, there goes a potentially good technology.

[@arabonarocketcamel8352]

Syphist Prime Sorry I thought you ment phyx cards.

[@justinli3556]

Potato

[@fastman05]

UNBOXING, omg not watched one of these for a while. I sort of miss them. But the content the team produces now is fantastic.

[@LyrickCZE]

This reminded me my first 3D card - 3dfx Voodoo. It was 3D-only accelerator and we had to connect it to the 2D graphic card using an external cable outside of the case. Fun times :)

[@adrianthorneycroft6702]

It's not retro without the retro intro. It's all about the intro man! :D

[@Kawayolnyo]

If anyone wonders what happened with BFG's people after the company died - they moved to Europe and KFA was born. KFA is basically the BFG, since more than 90% of all of it's employees are ex-BFG workers and the KFA itself was formed by the original team who created the BFG to begin with. Later, Galaxy contacted KFA and KFA2 was made (which was, basically, a European subsidiary of Galaxy, an outsource of sorts). And now, sometime not so long ago, Galaxy completely bought out the entire KFA (both the KFA2 and the main KFA) and created "GALAX" brand. Basically, Galaxy did exactly the same what AMD did to ATi. So, yes, to sum it all up and to put it out simply: almost the entire team (90%) of ex-BFG workers are now working for Galaxy. P.S. Remember, kids! Each and every time you're buying "KFA" and/or "GALAX" branded video - you're actually buying Galaxy!

[@nickschmitz841]

This makes me happy to relive a small bit of the days where I was loyal to the BFG brand. Thanks for the info :).

[@darkly24]

Yes! I LOVED your retro unboxing series. Glad it is back.

[@jviper2004]

My dad said "Look, it's a math co-processor"

[@andersonklein3587]

Jason Bracey That time you remembers you was fast if you had a math compressor in your CPU back in the 90s. lol

[@hydrochloricacid2146]

What was the last cpu that needed a math coprocessor? The 386?

[@andersonklein3587]

+Bob Roberts As a matter of fact there has been an great effort to allow CPUs to deal with ever bigger vectors in more complex equations at a lower cycle cost. In a single cycle a modern CPU can do things that would have taken dozens of cycles back then.

[@andersonklein3587]

+Bob Roberts As a matter of fact there has been an great effort to allow CPUs to deal with ever bigger vectors in more complex equations at a lower cycle cost. In a single cycle a modern CPU can do things that would have taken dozens of cycles back then.

[@andersonklein3587]

+Bob Roberts As a matter of fact there has been an great effort to allow CPUs to deal with ever bigger vectors in more complex equations at a lower cycle cost. In a single cycle a modern CPU can do things that would have taken dozens of cycles back then.

[@combatplayer]

you absolutely NEED to make this like a weekly or bi-weekly series, maybe have an old school test bench with a P4 or similar cpu that you can test and bench all these old things on. it would be awesome to see the contrast in just how far we've gotten. although, a proper P4 could still run crysis, provided it had a decent graphics card to back it up.

[@mrmactknife]

My first ever graphics card was a BFG. 8500GT. 16 Cuda cores for the win. It overclocked like a boss though. I remember running that thing at 725mhz :O You guys should do a "Retro Build" Core2Duo, a 8800GTX, that PhysX card. I'll donate my 4GB kit of OCZ 1066 Reaper if you like? ;)

[@Demorthus]

Linus, you make looking even at old pc hardware as enjoyable as new hardware, you're awesome! lol

[@Rebelzize]

Is this in 60fps?!?

[@Luniii737]

No. The video is just blurry as fuck. This is natural Motion Blur, that makes a video look fluid but very blurry (and so kinda shitty) at the same time.

[@AustinZveare]

It's 1/30s shutter speed, so blurry.

[@linelotr]

Hey Kyle!

[@krakua200]

I'm guessing that you don't play games in 60 FPS

[@DiegoBQZ]

Quiet! Developers are listening. Don't give them ideas!

[@craig1287]

Cellfactor was awesome. I remember playing it and another free game that showcased the Physx card (game was called Warmonger). I do love to see Physx support in those games that have it. Warframe, PlanetSide 2, Batman: Arkham series, Just Cause 2, Borderlands, and some others. I do hope that it continues to catch on as that stuff really adds to the immersion.

[@AlValentyn]

I actually own it. Got it the day it was released as well. ^_^

[@northamericansurvivalattic7145]

dude! more videos like this! love seeing retro parts like that, that haven't been around since i was in high school...

[@TheSoxmania]

I dare you Linus... do a PhysX benchmark with that card :D... do it for the lolz!!!

[@helichrome2509]

This was a pretty interesting video. Instead of unboxing a brand new graphics card or mobo, picking an old retro item and having a whole backstory seems like a good concept. I'd definitely like to see more videos like this in the future.

[@zeus_anoxia]

ZOMG!! I actually had one of these. It was a BFG bundle that contained a GTX280 and a PhysX. LOL, I'm old... Also, who is on the camera?? Stop swinging the thing around like that. You're making me toss my cookies.

[@Shaylesety]

Loved the vide, the camera man, feelt soo old style of Linus which i miss so much. Some time I go and watch his out doors unboxing.. soooo nice

[@LazerLord10]

Doesn't KSP rely heavily (or almost entirely) on PhysX?

[@Pierruxe]

Doesn't even support it, if I remember correctly.

[@opossums-will-sing]

KSP is made with the Unity engine, which makes extensive use of PhysX. I think most of the collision physics is PhysX.

[@Mucozime]

thanks !! for doing this linus. this brought back my memories from the good old days...

[@TimmyTechTV]

I have missed me some floating camera man videos LinusTechTips !

[@Lickemstick]

Thanks for the throwback and history lesson Linus! Great episode. Maybe do more? I, for one, would love to see you grimace through an "Emachines" unboxing...

[@cgurrell]

Benchmark!

[@TheRealEZOverdose]

freecell or riot!

[@Goliath002]

wow this is a really retro unboxing, I miss those days even the bad camera operation is bad like it use to be on those days, you should do more retro unboxings I really want it

[@Doogleraia]

Well.. the reason the Battlefield games moved backwards in the aspect of "PhysX", is simply because of consoles.. sadly.

[@Doogleraia]

StrongarmSlayer inferior tech is inferior tech, no matter how you look at it. If consoles weren't limited by hardware being outdated even before launch, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

[@dauf69]

Mainfold Define outdated. What, you're expecting a damn 780 Ti inside a PS4? Give me a break.

[@Doogleraia]

StrongarmSlayer No, expecting the tech inside not to be 8 years old when the console is released as "brand new" and then priced like it's brand new, when it clearly isn't. Tech inside the PS4 for instance, is tech from back in 2006, and they priced it like it was 2014-worthy tech. You expect users to accept being literally scammed by these major companies like Sony and Microsoft? Give me a break.

[@dauf69]

Mainfold What the fuck? PS4 using tech from 2006? Let me take you on a flashback. 2006: -GDDR3 is still the norm. -DDR3 is still new and very expensive. -Integrated Graphics is still on chipset rather than CPU. -No HSA. -PCI Express 1.0 -No USB 3.0 -Well, there's only GeForce 8000 and 9000 series and Radeon X2000 series. And you're saying PS4, using a *HD 7870*, a tech from 2006? Give me a break you elitist.

[@Doogleraia]

GDDR3 still the norm? I'm sorry but you must be trying to troll. Tech that was used on the Nvidia 6xxx series is by no means "the norm" anymore. DDR3 is not new, it's not expensive either, DDR4 is brand new and very expensive. Integrated Graphics is pretty much garbage in any form of gaming aspect, and it's not on chipsets, it's embedded in to the architecture of the specific CPU/APU's that are applicable for the sockets where the chipsets are enabled to run it. PCI Express 1.0 is the definition of outdated. The "next gen" consoles utilize unified memory, UMA was made obsolete by SMA so many years ago that you would have to ask someone at IBM to be able to get hold of a physical tech item that still utilized it ..that's not a "next gen" console. Stop arguing over something you've factually argued yourself in to the gutter with, you're just making yourself look stupid when you try to argue that outdated tech is "the norm" and "the way to go" by any means. Not to mention that they expect like $500 for it, when it's BOM cost was pushed up to $381 on launch (because they actually added HDD's that weren't too old, so it increased their initial BOM).. and that's WITH manufacturing costs, not purely materials. Considering that a $300 off-the-shell-parts built PC will have superior specs and not only be cheaper, you'd have to be ignorant to try and defend the tech in the "next gen" consoles. Sure, I'm not gonna argue about preference, as some people just like to play on consoles (be it for exclusive titles or whatever it may be), but you can't dispute the fact that they are inarguably inferior pieces of tech.

[@nicolashalkey9503]

PLEASE DO MORE OF THE UNBOXING THINGS. Like please, we love them

[@lenchewbacca]

Why is it boxed in a fucking triangle?

[@NickyCrunch]

***** *cue x-files music*

[@_pennybags6210]

Cause, PhysX

[@bryanfire202]

cuz Iluminati but wait PhysX has 5 letters, Linus mentions 2 intresting facts aboot PhysX 5-2=3, coincidence i think not LOOMINATARY CONFIREMED but wait we must go deeper iluminati has 3 sides valve has 3 most popuar games, 3-3=0 this can mean 1 thing valve is a scrub and cnt count to 3

[@XPsilocybinDream]

lol have you ever seen XFX's old boxes? this is nothing

[@noahhibbler929]

It looks cool/stands out on the shelf.

[@DuyLe-pj3eo]

I missed these kinds of unboxings. Before you got a little professional. Ghetto Linus unboxings are always fun.

[@winterloggan]

A dedicated physics card would be sweet, can we bring that back?

[@surpomp100]

You can designate a card to physx

[@Andystuff800]

+Fulufu Only if you have a Gefore card, nVidia blocks out the functionality if it detects an AMD card in the system. That's why there are so few games using it.

[@Giamby986]

FINALLY retro unboxings, thanks LinusTechTips

[@calculus3661]

I kinda wanna see it tested.

[@noahhibbler929]

Almost bought one of these the last time I had the money to build a gaming pc. If I remember correctly for a while you could run a second,older GPU as a dedicated PhysX card. Love the retro-ish thing. Do more if you guys could, please!

[@wasteofspace1234]

Dang, this brings on the nostalgia. So if I tried to use one of these today, would it be compatible with modern games which use PhysX? Like Metro or Batman? Would it even be able to handle their PhysX? It would be pretty cool if an AMD user could grab one of these things off craigslist for 30 bucks and suddenly have access to PhysX.

[@kevinblank1481]

not even a 9800gt can handle batman physx :/

[@Gfunk839]

GandalfforceYT Physx seems crazy tho, because technically a 9800gt can run the game at max on sub hd res for 60fps... so why can't it run physx ... seems like a fail. I have a 9600gt as physx-useless

[@kevinblank1481]

CrazyPieCat as you have seen - once upon a time it was not nvidia exclusive :D

[@vwierenga]

Don't use this. Put a Physx capable GPU (like a 8800gt) next to your AMD card and run hybrid physx: physxinfo.com/wiki/Hybrid_PhysX .

[@kevinblank1481]

Wierie well it works, but its not really the stable thing most people want nowadays.

[@mimic42100]

I love this video. I hope you guys decide to do more unboxings like this!

[@merlinyuang5990]

Retro Unboxing=We didn't have a video planned for today...

[@LarsTechTipsDe]

I love retro unboxings. They are really interesting and they teach us how tech was back then.

[@iDerekMC]

linus could u make your videos at 24 fps so they look more cinematic please? xD

[@wrong1029]

XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

[@MickySeefa]

In Highlight of Ubisoft ? LOL

[@LachieUnderscore619]

Defiantly should do more retro unboxings, being only 16 and relatively new to PC building and other related subjects i find this stuff just amazing. The IBM case from MOD24 made me love looking for retro PC hardware. Even though the IBM case was like the 80's and this was 2007, still counts as old.

[@DanieleGiorgino]

Darn, I was hoping you would benchmark it.

[@iatedeadpeople]

how would you benchmark that..

[@MrPao987]

yeah, imagine what a crazy driver and graphics card he would have to pair it up with to benchmark it

[@GurtTarctor]

This was quite interesting. I'd definitely like to see a series that takes a look back at some notable 'retro' computer hardware.

[@olivialambert4124]

I'll be sad when I have to use a computer without the obsolete PCI slot. I'm still using my old PCI X-Fi XtremeMusic. I've tried a number of more modern sound cards but really for games I prefer an xfi over the newer samples, and the newer generations of xfi were built to a lower quality (except the single $300+ offering). Additionally the most recent generation from both creative and asus have had driver stability issues for years whilst I still haven't had a single problem with my ancient xfi. It will be a shame when we lose the slot and can't use that one PCI card we all keep from the old days when computers and games were made to be stable.

[@blablagal94]

+Olivia Lambert It's the way technology works, sadly :( Also, out of curiosity, have I seen your face in magazines or something? You look familiar...

[@olivialambert4124]

Boo! Well I'm keeping my obsolete grandpa tech as long as I can. As long as its not a pentium 4 I'm saving, anyway.

[@blablagal94]

It's a good choice, don't get me wrong. You could even use a PCI-e to PCI adapter so you can keep using the sound card eventually :P On another note, aren't you a model? I swear I've seen your face before in a fashion magazine...

[@olivialambert4124]

Oh thats awesome, I didn't even know PCI-e to PCI existed. I thought they used like different voltages or different ways to communicate so I assumed that couldn't exist. And not me, I'm way too short to model. And nerdy. Maybe its someone who just looks similar?

[@Cocoabytes]

Came just to upvote. More unboxing please! Return to the old days!!!!!!

[@Great.Milenko]

2007 is retro ? o.O

[@Zetaretiiculi]

AwesomeVindicator In terms of technology, yes

[@Brycereigle2000]

***** most of the time, yes. There is still some use of some technology from the age.

[@BoBBaB0oN]

this retro unboxing gimme the "nostalgia" feel. tq linus :')

[@ilaserbia]

If physX wasn't a nvidia exclusive, then maybe programers would implement it more. Being as it is, it's just a waste of dev time to implement something that only a half of gamers would potentially use.

[@janusprime5693]

Well half maybe a little exaggerated. After all Nvidias market share is closer to 2/3 or even 3/4 ..

[@domacitelli1661]

I loved this retro unboxing. Would love to see more!

[@TheNiteNinja19]

Just like the old days where 3DFX was provided with a separate card.

[@op3l]

Pretty good info. I like this retro unbox. Gives good info on what it was back in the days. 2007.

[@silent_r4936]

$50? I'm surprised it wasn't free. You should do a retro build guide for the lolz.

[@SyntheticFuture]

I remember reading the hype and wanting this to exceed. Heck I was saving up to get one. Never ever seen the card so quite happy to see it :D

[@TechInspected]

This handheld camera is giving me headaches. =(

[@BenLillegard]

+The Technoclast They were paying homage to the old school unboxing videos that were their bread and butter back when Linus was still at NCIX and most of those were done with a handheld camera.

[@kingSisu]

FINALLY an unboxing

[@jabadahut50]

games could be so much better now adays if this had kicked off.

[@stenbockenmedia4496]

+jabadahut50 it would have if nvidia wasnt so greedy, they should've let AMD use it too

[@jabadahut50]

Gelly Helly I totally agree. While i use nvidia products ((because at the time i bought my 760 sc 4gb it was the best bang for the buck)) i think amd has much better business practices.

[@stenbockenmedia4496]

jabadahut50 i have always used nvidia but in my latest upgrade I bought r9 390, because it was the best bang for buck

[@roryfree4707]

+Gelly Helly Apparently, Nvidia offered ATI (before it became AMD) physX and CUDA support but they turned it down, thinking their streamAPI would be just as good. (I saw this in the comment section so idk how true it is)

[@stenbockenmedia4496]

Rory Free might be true but i doubt it

[@TechnIx12]

I love the retro unboxings, learning so much. Keep it up :D

[@joegreve6585]

Dude. Why no benchmarks? :(

[@otakugames952]

because it's no GPU..it just handles physics..it would be pointless to benchmark it since there are no numbers to compare in the first place...

[@ChrispyNut]

thomas høivik So, they couldn't run a PhysX game with PhysX on the BFG and then on the GPU giving comparative numbers? Would be a waste of time but entirely possible.

[@joegreve6585]

thomas høivik I'm very familiar with what it is. And pre-Nvidia PhysX. But it's totally possible to run some old benchmarks with it. It'd be particularly fascinating to compare it to today's CPU's to see if it's even necessary. Even more fun would be seeing if you could get it to work with a newer PhysX title :D Nvidia still totally has options for dedicated PPU's.

[@otakugames952]

Joseph Greve fair enough

[@bensemusx]

Peanutsreveng3 well no current game can it as it doesn't have cuda cores to run the current physX

[@finlaymckay6633]

This was a really interesting episode, keep it up linus

[@Gxbbzee]

I have a GTS 250 from 2008.... :'(

[@frantisekhajek8]

I feel your pain. Still using Palit 9800gtx+ :)

[@SkimmyMcG]

I'm using a GT 730, cheapest part of my computer actually.

[@chris195868]

TheDoodlydoo My laptop has a 8600M GT, but i just upgraded my desktop to 970

[@SkimmyMcG]

Christoffer Nørskov Congrats on the desktop. Just remember your laptop's GPU is better than my Dell Latitude D630's GPU was before it died, lol.

[@Xeil]

I still have my geforce fx 5200. What a piece of shit that thing is. Being a broke kid who had to buy his own computer hardware sucked. How times have changed and now I have a 780 ti in my current rig.

[@hahaboosters]

This type of unboxing brings back memories!!

[@Lunas2525]

put it in a rig see if it does anything for games using physx

[@Lunas2525]

Considering the physx software is no longer compatible yeah I doubt it will work.

[@LionSilverVideos]

I love seeing old GPU, CPU, and things like this guys! I hope you do more every once in a while :)

[@aldionsylkaj9654]

Nvidia and Creative are both companies i will be avoiding for the rest of my fucking life; An AMD fanboy is now born.

[@JakXLT]

+Aldion Sylkaj I can understand Nvidia, but what happened with Creative? I love my SBZx.

[@aldionsylkaj9654]

Jak Well, there was these new guys creating binaural audio engines that is VERY very realistic, want an example??? Simple. KZbin: "3D Barber" and you will see. Now, these guys emrged and where going to revolutionize the gaming audio industry with binaural audio engines that take normal stereo (i think) and convert it to real 3d, by simulating real microphones from the perspective of the player, not only that but simulating actual sound waves as it goes through the air and interacts with objects, in counter strike, you could hear footsteps behind corners coming from the corner. So a 4k 60fps oculus rift is the eye candy, what about the binaural audio for the ear candy? So my point is: Creative bought all of these companies out (there was more than one) and they kept the code secret and don't sell it, only lesser version strictly to for their own company (like G-Sync vs Freesync). Why? Becuase they (creative) feared the competition getting in the way of profit. I don't remember the company name, you might need to research google/bing/deepweb(:P) and stuff.

[@JakXLT]

***** Aureal 3D. Good to know. Honestly I wouldn't care as much if they would actually use what they took instead of just letting it uselessly sit in an archive somewhere. Same goes for Nvidia, I wouldn't care about their practices as much if they simply let AMD users buy an Nvidia card for PhysX.

[@aldionsylkaj9654]

Jak i think it's posible but cards after 400 series are locked i believe. so 2x Furies and a single 660ti (my old gpu)

[@JakXLT]

***** No all cards are locked. It's a driver thing, and you can get hacked drivers(Google P10 Hybrid Physx click first link). I have a GTX 285 and used it for PhysX with a 7950 before I got a 980 ti. I'll probably use it again when I switch over to a Fury X2 whenever that comes out, but some PhysX 2 titles it doesn't work on(Batman Arkham Origins), and all PhysX 3 titles it does not work on. The driver mod is no longer in development.

[@kidvapor1]

this free style filming is giving me a headache

[@floyotini8360]

Please leave the camera on the tripod. I know you where just trying out something new but its really annoying :)

[@Krisztian5HUN]

New? New??? This is the good old days style man!

[@Aurum.]

But this how all the unboxings used to be...

[@sujmaster]

the retro unboxing has returned!!!!

[@crimsonmoon9404]

what if amd could reverse engineer that card? just sayin

[@SyphistPrime]

that sounds like patent lawsuits in the making TBH.

[@TheNaz01]

it is

[@innocentsmith6091]

They might not need to, with DX12 and Vulkan giving much more freedom to devs to use GPUs however they want

[@gmoneygrungyg]

love these retro unboxings. i liked the old school camera style too.

[@MrBdog200]

I am building myself a PC. Anything i should improve? I am getting it for gaming. CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler Motherboard: Asus Z87-Pro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard RAM: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive(boot drive) Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive GPU: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case PSU: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply

[@f0wL1337]

Z97 CPU and Z87 Mobo :D get a Z97 one to fit your cpu also maybe look for low profile (LP) vengeance ram since it could not fit because of your CPU cooler. Noctua has a document for looking it up. :^)

[@DaiLoDong]

im sure there are alot of trolls who just post specs to show off or they dont know anything and really need help. im going to assume the latter. everything is good except i wouldnt get the 970. its a bit overkill honestly. u might as well settle for like a 760 unless u have multiple monitors. otherwise i would strongly recommend a ssd. even a small one for just important or offten played games is good. and i would also recommend 1 or 2 extra fans for the case in case u live some where where it gets hot or ur room isnt well ventilated. and also get a 750w psu instead of 600. only costs a tiny bit more and then u will have extra room for future upgrading

[@nicksandalis553]

The motherboard you chose will not support the haswell refresh i5. Go with a Z97 chipset and you're good to go. On a personal note, im not a really big fan of corsair vengeance, i think its overhyped and overpriced, im more of a kingston and adata person myself. I hope you will get to build it yourself, its a joy of an experience. Good luck with your new gaming pc.

[@TheHornet79]

I agree with Froot Mann. 16gb is a waste of money unless you are using intensive work programs like making videos, photoshop, and logic pro. Upgrade your power supple to 750 for SLI if you plan on doing so later on. I regret purchasing my 650 PSU because now I have spend another 100 bucks for a PSU once I SLI.

[@dandreurquhart3511]

f0wl First of all Z87 mobo support Haswell refresh you have to update mobo but now a days its automatic, A 600w psu will be enough i am getting a similar set up just a msi mobo and gpu for a mini itx with 2ssds for 1200$ cad. Total power draw with gpu boost is a round 350-400 your fine

[@all2surreal]

Well done. This is the first time I've ever seen this relic.

[@GANDROID100]

I want a new brand of graphics card to come on the marked, nvidia and amd are getting boring

[@GANDROID100]

I KNOW that it is impossible, but still, i'd be fun

[@psymon110]

Gillian Vanroy Maybe Intel will decide they want to make graphics cards one day :P

[@thebluegremlin]

Qualcomm is getting the momentum going

[@indiexanna]

There was XGI with their Volari line, but they got left behind somehow.

[@ZeldagigafanMatthew]

When building a PC, you essentially have only 2 choices, Intel, and AMD, and even then, Intel still holds the "monopoly" on x86, since AMD is only able to produce x86 certified chips under a license, something that will expire if they are bought out.

[@JTBivens]

Just pulled one of these out of a tower. Though mine did have branding on the bracket lol.

[@ast5515]

PhysX will never play a more serious part in PC gaming because it would trash AMD cards. And let's face it, even Nvidia wants AMD around. Maybe for licensing Mantle? Hell knows...

[@davidwoodruff7065]

I read somewhere that direct x 12 was beating mantle. It may or may not be true but at the very least I doubt there will be any significant difference between the two

[@ast5515]

David Woodruff DX12 is too new. It's not fully supported by older Windows versions, Win 10 is an alpha, this means comparisons are pointless for the time being.

[@MrJigssaw1989]

David Woodruff Is DX 12 even out yet ? Has it any games ? As far as I know nope. DX12 can never be as efficient as mantle can be simply because it cannot be as close to hardware as mantle is (because mantle is designed with specifically for GCN architecture) where as DX will have to have more abstraction. There is also the rumors of DX12 only being compatible with windows 10 (50% of people still use Win7), also mantle has huge potential because gpus can work independently of each other (lets say gpu in your APU will compute physics/ai and dedicated gpu will do the graphics). For those reasong I don't really thing mantle is going anywhere.

[@davidwoodruff7065]

ast5515 very ture MrJigssaw1989 I was just repeating ssomething I heard. There is another rumor that windows might start releasing their updates for free like Mac OS so that would solve people being locked out due to OS version unless they are stubborn. Nvidia supports having a dedicated GPU for physX already. Either way I haven't followed this stuff to much. I hope Mantle blows everything else out of the water though it just means a better gaming experience for everyone

[@declancroft2183]

you should do this more, its interesting to see the origins of things and also to see things that maybe weren't in peoples lifetimes that you have had to deal with

[@KatZRule91]

Aluminiummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm not aluminum OMFg

[@otakugames952]

Aluminum...

[@Big_Mike53]

But it's spelled "aluminum." There's no letter 'I" at the end of the word. Sound it out by syllables. "Al-oo-mi-num", not "Al-oo-min-ee-um" Europeans, man...

[@n7_siquze639]

its aloominom

[@dhkatz_]

Michael Sapp No it's spelled aluminum where you live. In other places like Europe it is spelled Aluminium.

[@KumaMech]

someone should just create a video that explains the differences in the various types of english systems used around the world. Then make it the first video that pops up for recommended videos :|

[@AlfredoReyesEsparza]

Loved the video and the Ageia PhysX! nice Work Linus!!!

[@Starcraft2Union]

More of this kind of retro unboxing, pleaseeeee!

[@krypticmac]

Watching this in 2018 and thinking back to when this was published. The audio sounds terrible but i dont remember it being this bad when this was first published. Its amazing how much has changed with the LMG crew. Keep it going guys and gals. Also Floatplane needs to get here already.

[@grandmastaj5]

It's nice to know about this stuff. Started the hobby back in 2010 so didn't get to know thiis kind of stuff.

[@HeavilyGamer]

So beautiful to remember the past!I started with Radeon 9250 and after that with Gainward 6600 gt!So beautiful times!

[@madsejnar]

The good old time unboxing :D Awesome too see a unboxing like this :D You need to have 1 video per month like this that will be awesome :D

[@HopUp97]

i like how they went to their old way of shooting video to go a long with the old phys x processor. Very clever guys, very clever in deed.

[@Noesgaard1]

Would love to see them in use. Unbox old items, and use them and give an overhead of how much technology have moved forward, if OC is possible try and do so, see what performance you can pull out of those retro items.

[@Green_Man_5]

i appreciate the new video formate even more after watching this

[@LE0NSKA]

dang it linus. you should have gone full retro with this one "don't forget to subscribe to linustechtips for more unboxings, reviews and other computer videos"

[@jiplatino]

Linus heard my prayer on the 1mil subscriber video! :D So Happy!

[@asata110]

Sweet old times, Thank's Linus

[@18T220]

This takes me back some. Thanks for sharing Linus.

[@P3Panzerjaeger]

Linus I loved this new kind of video, please do more!

[@JahkuhoRaikoben]

Im sensing an ULTIMATE Retro gaming PC Build guide!

[@MooTaters]

I remember those, saw them in comp USA in the same triangle boxes. Though back then I wasn't into pc hardware. I even was going to go with bfg for my first video card, but the friend helping me told me to get an evga card, not that it would matter because it was maybe a year or 2 tops before I upgraded from that 7800gt to an 8800gt, and man what an upgrade that was.

[@NoahDiamond-Firearms-LLC]

Linus! I love your kitchen setup! I wish I could style mine like that.