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@hattoripool1533
@hattoripool1533 10 ай бұрын
I thought this was obvious. In Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub Zero it was kinda clear Bi Han had morals
@darthmisogyny3828
@darthmisogyny3828 10 ай бұрын
You'd be surprised how many people tell me I'm wrong about bi han being a Dick but never fully evil
@Eduardesuper
@Eduardesuper 10 ай бұрын
No one played mythologies, and for a good reason. If they could eventually adapt it into a comic or something, it could be more mainstream.
@naos8116
@naos8116 10 ай бұрын
@@Eduardesuper Or make a remaster. I think it definitely had potential. The comics are somewhat more niche I feel.
@hermos3602
@hermos3602 10 ай бұрын
@@darthmisogyny3828 Those people have probably never played a Mortal Kombat game before MK9. Or they played the original three and completely skipped MK 4 and the 3-D era.
@NucleaRaptor
@NucleaRaptor 10 ай бұрын
>Hanzo begs for mercy >rips his head off lmao >gets duped by Quan Chi, puts all of Earthrealm in jeopardy >has to get browbeaten into doing the right thing and fix his own screwup >morals What morals? Where? :v
@TheDigitalApple
@TheDigitalApple 10 ай бұрын
Can my man Bi-Han not get slandered by the devs every time as this evil cruel bastard?
@wholesome_masochist4113
@wholesome_masochist4113 10 ай бұрын
About as much as Stryker can actually not get jobber status I'm afraid
@arezlopez6021
@arezlopez6021 10 ай бұрын
Pov kung Lao fans: it HAS BEGUN
@petertracycarroll
@petertracycarroll 10 ай бұрын
It’s the same with rain man he was an anti hero in the original timeline then they made him a villain
@Eric6761
@Eric6761 10 ай бұрын
​@@arezlopez6021i think it's weird how Kung Lao barely talked shit about others in story mode but everyone treats as shit
@MusicoftheDamned
@MusicoftheDamned 10 ай бұрын
​@@wholesome_masochist4113I'm sorry, but who is this "Stryker" person you speak of? /s
@constructivecriticism2568
@constructivecriticism2568 10 ай бұрын
I always had the head canon that after Bi-Han’s death in MK1, Shinnok personally tortured him in the Netherrealm as revenge for how the Lin Kuei inconvenienced him, burning away pieces of his soul until all that was left was a literal shadow. Then Noob was born as an exaggeration of all Bi-Han’s worst traits, while retaining all of his skill.
@comicbookreviewer4856
@comicbookreviewer4856 10 ай бұрын
Looking back at that Games it hinted Bi-han did get annoyed that his brother was copying him as he said you always mimic me showing He knew he was trying to live up to being like him it also hinted Sektor might've used it and made him feel he could get whatever he wanted as don't forget not everyone starts off awful untill Someone like Sketor comes into the picture
@TheNightsideChronicles
@TheNightsideChronicles 10 ай бұрын
damn thats dark :(
@constructivecriticism2568
@constructivecriticism2568 10 ай бұрын
@@TheNightsideChronicles thank you.
@TheNastyNug
@TheNastyNug 10 ай бұрын
Sub zero even alludes to something like this happening during their pre fight convos
@Alex_Logan22
@Alex_Logan22 9 ай бұрын
The skill did not remain, lol
@jahahahaha
@jahahahaha 9 ай бұрын
It's actually comical how evil and how much of a dick he is in story mode.
@Nova7_the_insane
@Nova7_the_insane 9 ай бұрын
I don't mind him being a dick since that's what makes him Bi Han but holy shit it was a poor decision making him straight up evil
@shawklan27
@shawklan27 9 ай бұрын
​@edwardsallow9350 word wish with this new timeline. They could make scorpion the bad guy, but I guess you can't do that to the franchise poster boy.
@Nova7_the_insane
@Nova7_the_insane 9 ай бұрын
@@shawklan27 Yeah literally any attempt to garner more sympathy for Scorpion by Ed Goon. Remember how Scorpion damned so many people to undead eternity in MKX and how not one person gave him shit for it across two games? Sub Zero is just done dirty so often, it may as well be a running gag by now
@Layde36
@Layde36 9 ай бұрын
@@Nova7_the_insanewell making him a dick should be done in a better way as him expressing his opinions as an earthrealmer and from his intro dialogues he does have good reasonings over his actions like seeing baraka as a threat cuz of his tarkat disease which could affect earthrealmers or being distrustful towards outworld sindels rule due to their naivety or claiming liu kang being soft, hes not like shang tsung or the others who enjoy harming others for fun (hell he felt remorse towards sindels death or being unaware of shang tsungs experiments) or conquering stuff like hes just loyal towards lin kuei like a self preservationist and is against anyone who threatens it or controls them and will choose sides if it means liu kuei is all safe, i get the feeling they will make him into a separate faction taking sides whenever they choose like it whether good or bad but i guess a better moral one unlike the black dragon who are the opposite i guess and do whatever tf they want
@Layde36
@Layde36 9 ай бұрын
@@shawklan27i mean they already did that tbh but really now scorpions being made into sub zeros role and honestly his story would be now relegated to hunting and reforming the lin kuei, its all sector vs sub zero again
@melbiamil5144
@melbiamil5144 10 ай бұрын
The main point of Scorpion's story was about how quan chi's lie made scorpion kill an innocent man. Making bi han evil would contradict a lot of what makes scorpion a tragic character
@hk1371
@hk1371 10 ай бұрын
To be fair, Bi-han did kill Scorpion so there was some vengeance to be had. But it was purely professional because they had conflicting goals. Quan Chi tried to make it an eternal hate by tricking scorpion that Bi Han also killed his clan. MK9 actually shows a good way of this that the two clearly have a history but Quan Chi was very much manipulating Scorpion. Especially before he kills Bi Han. "That was not me!"
@enochabraham688
@enochabraham688 9 ай бұрын
His conflict was minimally-based on killing an innocent man. His conflict arose from being manipulated by his family’s killer, who was Quan-Chi. But Scorpion could give quite few f**** about smoking Bi-Han because Bi-Han was an opp
@andrepersan
@andrepersan 7 ай бұрын
I mean, I'm just glad they are doing something different with their stories, I don't think it would be cool if they just did the same thing, if you're gonna reboot, then do it properly. I just hope they don't just make a silly villan arc for him in the future.
@melbiamil5144
@melbiamil5144 7 ай бұрын
@@andrepersan i 1000% agree with you. The one thing i liked about that modern mk live action movie was making a actual evil bi han. It's so freaking cool seeing not just a new perspective on him but also getting to see a evil sub zero.
@andrepersan
@andrepersan 7 ай бұрын
@@melbiamil5144 I swear to god Sub Zero and Scorpion are the only savable things from that movie
@russian_knight
@russian_knight 10 ай бұрын
I always viewed bi-han as pretty stoic, but not outright evil. I really hope they don't fuck him up and just make him an asshole in the new game because this is the first time we've really gotten to play as bi-han in a while
@jaywilliams9897
@jaywilliams9897 10 ай бұрын
Yea i completely agree. I’m giving nether realm the benefit of the doubt on this but their writers do not have a good track record. They don’t know how to make complex characters. They just throw everyone into the plain old “good” and “evil” categories.
@camerondalton1495
@camerondalton1495 10 ай бұрын
You might wind up disappointed.
@jaywilliams9897
@jaywilliams9897 10 ай бұрын
@@camerondalton1495 maybe we’ll see.
@mannyfresh03
@mannyfresh03 10 ай бұрын
⁠@@camerondalton1495I’m not so sure tbh. Just going off his bio, he just wants what’s best for his clan which may put him in conflict with liu kang. That isn’t necessarily evil but we’ll se how it plays out
@juliankanzuki2013
@juliankanzuki2013 10 ай бұрын
From what I've seen, in MK1 he's not evil he's just ambitious and dosen't share the vision his father had for the clan.
@marcusrimson6330
@marcusrimson6330 10 ай бұрын
Bi Han deserves better, he's more than just "Evil Edgelord"
@mettatonneoex
@mettatonneoex 10 ай бұрын
Yeah but I do get massive Morally Ambiguous Edgelord from M1K though. Having him be Ambitious is a nice touch too
@smugofbishamonten1447
@smugofbishamonten1447 9 ай бұрын
@@mettatonneoex i doubt he'll be with liu kang until the end but I'm really hoping the impossible that he will do the right thing on mk1
@diamonshade7484
@diamonshade7484 8 ай бұрын
too late
@diamonshade7484
@diamonshade7484 8 ай бұрын
​@@jmgonzales7701he's scorpion now
@jmgonzales7701
@jmgonzales7701 8 ай бұрын
i know, im just saying kuai liang was always the superior sub zero@@diamonshade7484
@AzurknightOMEGA
@AzurknightOMEGA 10 ай бұрын
In my view, I've always thought of Bi-Han as a tough brother, the kind that very clearly loved and cared for him, but was tough on him to make sure he could endure the life they were being brought into. As a longtime fan of the Sub-Zero brothers, I've always wished and desired to see Bi-Han acting like the brother we should believe he was. He was never a bad brother, just probably a stern one.
@fairlywren3664
@fairlywren3664 10 ай бұрын
What I'm really excited for is to see them talking to each other so we can nip it in the bud. That is if NRS doesn't fumble it, of course.
@meldrickedwards1892
@meldrickedwards1892 10 ай бұрын
I've felt the same.
@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475
@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 25 күн бұрын
​@@fairlywren3664They did.
@fairlywren3664
@fairlywren3664 25 күн бұрын
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 They fumbled it way too hard. I thought the betrayal was a fakeout so he could help Scorpion and Smoke get away but no, he just turned on a dime. Then bro is like "hurr durr I let our father die". Like, what??? Bi-Han is all about the Lin Kuei, why would he not help the Grandmaster? They turned him into Sektor and it sucks.
@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475
@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 25 күн бұрын
@fairlywren3664 It's funny that they claim it's "A New Era" when all they've basically done is pallete swap and appropriate previous character backstories to returning ones. Glad I gave up on MK after X cause I knew they'd never make it better. I'll still check in now and again to see if maybe they can restore any goodwill but nope. It'll be like 20 years before another reboot happens.
@josephtpg7329
@josephtpg7329 10 ай бұрын
In one of Bi Han's MK1 lines with Liu Kang, he also shows remorse for apparently trusting Shang Tsung. He didn't know about Shang Tsung's experiments, and shows remorese for going along with them. He might actually be more complex than just a pure bad guy. This is especially because in the story footage we can see he doesn't hate his brother, and even tries to convince Kuai and Smoke that leading Earthrealm is a greater purpose than protecting it. He clearly has distrust for Liu Kang, but trusts his comrades (even if he doesn't show it as much as his brother).
@juliankanzuki2013
@juliankanzuki2013 10 ай бұрын
I don't think he's evil in MK1, I just think he's overly ambitious.
@BlueSunStudios1
@BlueSunStudios1 10 ай бұрын
@@juliankanzuki2013 Totally overly ambitious for sure. Bi-Han was never really a nice guy or good guy in the original times, but he veered more on the dark side of neutrally gray while having some set of standards that kept him from jumping into the side of true villainy or evil. All of that was lost when he died. EDIT: Just corrected a spelling typo, lol
@meldrickedwards1892
@meldrickedwards1892 10 ай бұрын
@@juliankanzuki2013 Spot on. Maybe even to the point, where he might make potential choices that he'll probably regret.
@superatario3007
@superatario3007 10 ай бұрын
I would honestly like the idea of Bi-Han beginning a dark path for what he sees as the best for his clan and especially his brother but for his allies to help him realize the error of his ways. Or that he has some sort of big moment of realization and begins to correct his wrongdoings.
@Alex_Logan22
@Alex_Logan22 9 ай бұрын
All nuance is disregarded the moment he killed his dad, so its pointless to try to bring depth unless the dad actually did something objectively bad, rather than simply disagreeing with how the clan should be run. Bi-Han doesn't bow to Liu like he did Raiden in Mythologies, while Scorpion does. Scorpion's bio suggests he's gonna have to kill his brother.
@skarlet9104
@skarlet9104 10 ай бұрын
Bi-Han never hated his brother, Noob Saibot did.
@oldmanwaterfall
@oldmanwaterfall 10 ай бұрын
Bi-Han didn't seem like an evil character, maybe a relatively cut throat character but not evil. Even in MK9 while he was still alive he was a hired killer but objected to being accused of killing innocent families. Partly because he didn't do it but also it's probably not something he would proudly do. Cyrax, Kuai Liang, and Smoke were willing to make moral stances putting them odds with their clan and leading to their heroic alignment, we just don't get a chance to see how Bi-Han felt or would've reacted in these cases because he's dead and under mind control throughout the vast majority of the series.
@NucleaRaptor
@NucleaRaptor 10 ай бұрын
>objected to being accused of killing innocent families lmao, did we play the same game? Scorpion goes "you'll pay for killing my family and clan," and Bi-Han literally goes "bitch, FUCK your clan!" It's only after Hanzo beats his ass, and now it's Bi-Han who's begging for mercy that he goes "ohnonononono p-please I actually had nothing to do with killing your family, scout's honor".
@theatomictitan0a588
@theatomictitan0a588 10 ай бұрын
@@NucleaRaptor that still doesn't state it. Not compassionate thing to state but I'm willing to call it more rude dismissal and outrage than a clear implication.
@midoriyaweed5508
@midoriyaweed5508 10 ай бұрын
​@@NucleaRaptor why tf would he apologize for something he didn't do, as well as a a literal beneficial event of his main rivals being wiped out? He's not evil, but he's not a good person either. A level of nuance that neither NRS nor some of their critics seem to grasp
@NucleaRaptor
@NucleaRaptor 10 ай бұрын
@@midoriyaweed5508 The point is that Bi-Han is a fucking asshole, and any argument to the contrary is blatant revisionism. At best you can argue that maybe he's not an irredeemable asshole, but other than sparing Sareena for no adequately explained reason, there's no evidence that he actually took Raiden's words to heart and tried to course-correct. This whole "ACKSHUALLY BI-HAN DINDU NUFFIN" thing that's been going around ever since Legacy is really starting to get on my nerves.
@naos8116
@naos8116 10 ай бұрын
@@NucleaRaptor When he gets accused in Mythologies on the other hand, he sounds confused about the accusation and tells Scorpion Quan Chi did it. He didn't mock their deaths in the slightest.
@BKLYNspider.
@BKLYNspider. 10 ай бұрын
Finally someone who actually understands Bi-Han’s character and his relationship with his brother. Bi-Han is my favorite character, and to see him get constantly slandered by everyone is frustrating. Really hope he’s not getting corrupted again. Great video.
@shin-gokusatsu645
@shin-gokusatsu645 9 ай бұрын
He gets slander because new players that were 1st introduced to the game with MK9 thought Noob Saibot was the true Bi-Han & Scorpion was innocent one because that's how Ed Boon had it written SubZero(s) = Bad Scorpion = Good.
@aidenparker5955
@aidenparker5955 9 ай бұрын
I miss Bi han as a good guy.
@dragonk4833
@dragonk4833 8 ай бұрын
Ed Boon ruined him again
@aidenparker5955
@aidenparker5955 8 ай бұрын
@@dragonk4833 I wouldn't say that, this is an another alternate universe, remember.
@naos8116
@naos8116 10 ай бұрын
I'm glad you made this. In Mythologies, he literally rejected the Brotherhood of Shadow. It'd be weird if he all of a sudden chose to willingly serve it.
@Temujin18S
@Temujin18S 4 ай бұрын
Bi-han fit the anti-hero alignment but a much darker version. Motivated by self-preservation, though was capable of heroic deeds. Combined with his abrasive and a few redeeming personality traits as well.
@Zaire_39
@Zaire_39 4 ай бұрын
Yep Bi-Han is the perfect character for an anti-hero archetype. Specifically the ‘does the right thing for the wrong reason’ kind of character.
@-toxicus-8582
@-toxicus-8582 10 ай бұрын
I've always felt like Bi-han had to be a good brother for Kuai Liang considering the young Sub-Zero went through the trouble of avenging him in both continuities. My headcanon is that Bi-han wanted to kill Shang Tsung in MK1 so that he would get that bounty and run off with Kuai Liang and provide him a peaceful life through the money and reputation he has made for himself
@VanillaMidgetSSBM
@VanillaMidgetSSBM 9 ай бұрын
A lot of people forget that Netherrealm isn't exactly the same as hell. It's implied that dying sends you there regardless of if you were good or evil, as characters like Stryker, Jax, Nightwolf and others were sent there while being on the good side. They just assume that going to the netherrealm means going to hell = bad
@livingweaponnightmare
@livingweaponnightmare 4 ай бұрын
It basically is hell though, it's canon that satan ruled it before Shinnok and Quan Chi took over
@Vegito1089
@Vegito1089 18 күн бұрын
It is Hell though. its been stated multiple times to be hell and Quan Chi only had those souls due to Shao Kahn giving them to him (Which should be beyond his power as he doesn't own Earth but whatever)
@augustlaster8451
@augustlaster8451 10 ай бұрын
You gotta feel bad for Bi-Han dying in both time-lines
@pious83
@pious83 10 ай бұрын
Also that Noob Saibot was clearly a lot stronger in the Original timeline, as opposed to the NRS timeline. Wherein he never wins a fight.
@Kira22558
@Kira22558 10 ай бұрын
​@@pious83because original timeline had an better writer .
@pious83
@pious83 10 ай бұрын
@@Kira22558 Facts.
@dylansharp8471
@dylansharp8471 10 ай бұрын
@@Kira22558 Bruh.
@myusername3689
@myusername3689 10 ай бұрын
@@Kira22558Couldn’t NetherRealm just hire that writer or did he/she die?
@ellbent
@ellbent 8 ай бұрын
You’d think people would already assume that Bi-Han isn’t really a bad guy after knowing that it was Quan-Chi who killed Hanzo’s family. But for some reason, the fandom and Nether Realm treats Bi-Han as if doesn’t make a difference if he did kill Hanzo’s family or not.
@nicoloenricorimoldi7425
@nicoloenricorimoldi7425 10 ай бұрын
I get that it was probably retconned in Mythologies with Bi-Han sparing Sareena, but wasn’t Kuai Liang’s willingness to spare his opponents the reason Scorpion figured out that the two brothers aren’t the same back in MK2?
@The4thSnake
@The4thSnake 10 ай бұрын
In MK2 itself, yes. The comic gives him a different way to reach that conclusion. Not a bad point, though. This could be one of the contributing factors for his reputation.
@maxmercurythemm827
@maxmercurythemm827 10 ай бұрын
To be fair, you can't expect Scorpion to know that, since he wasn't there to see Bi-Han spare Sareena last I checked.
@loganboyd6609
@loganboyd6609 10 ай бұрын
Can we really trust scorpion on the personality of the man who killed him I mean when you get killed by the man you're not really going to think highly of the the guy who you perceive as a monster
@luanvictor7636
@luanvictor7636 10 ай бұрын
​@@The4thSnakewe could make the assumption that since Sareena and Sub-Zero's interaction suggested that he got some kind of compassion,maybe Scorpion had got the idea that if he himself could get an family while being an assassin,so could Bi-Han,and didn't take their interaction in consideration
@Blessed_V0id
@Blessed_V0id 10 ай бұрын
And not the totally different face, outfit and later voice. Different people are different. Noon is misunderstood
@Athkore
@Athkore 8 ай бұрын
Miss how Bi Han used to be this multi-dimensional character, he used to have so much mystery as to exactly what his character was and so much untapped potential for who he could have been if he had not become Noob Saibot, and there was so much potential for a Kuai Liang seeking to save his brother from his horrible fate. But then the writers just kept ignoring him and only dragged him into games cause fans love him.
@anyustmoon_yt7796
@anyustmoon_yt7796 9 ай бұрын
Let's hope for a redemption arc for bi-han in a dlc or something, but only if ed bum don't go full anti sub-zero and destroy his character ever more
@crvz9761
@crvz9761 9 ай бұрын
So disappointed they made Bi Han evil again in MK1 😵‍💫
@Gecko_Zen
@Gecko_Zen 8 ай бұрын
His not fully evil. His against Shang tsung experiments and killing children
@seanrutherford728
@seanrutherford728 8 ай бұрын
In all fairness they had to do it to give us back the rivalry that MK always advertised. And I guess they wanted to make it seem stronger by making Sub-Zero and Scorpion actual brothers and originate from the same clan
@bn-tc2tk
@bn-tc2tk 8 ай бұрын
Well…that’s his character so….
@A-TRA1N
@A-TRA1N 8 ай бұрын
Bi han has always been a dick tbh
@11outside
@11outside 7 ай бұрын
@@bn-tc2tkdid you not watch the video?
@almi8151
@almi8151 8 ай бұрын
Hard to ever forget Bi-Han's morality if you're familiar with Sareena
@jesusfontalvo703
@jesusfontalvo703 8 ай бұрын
Literally, sareena is the living proof that bi-han had some type of morality and Kuai-liang pursuit of honor for his brother redemption in the Original timeline.
@Zaire_39
@Zaire_39 8 ай бұрын
Then there’s the fact that the man tried to leave the clan so he could cleanse his soul but was killed before he could.
@_insomniac_423
@_insomniac_423 8 ай бұрын
How could I if she only ever mattered in Mythologies? She only made two playable appearances and one of them was for a GBA port.
@Layde36
@Layde36 8 ай бұрын
@@_insomniac_423 well her character didnt matter but bi hans actions towards her did especially when u spare her and even if u account the ending where he kills her he still saves earthrealm indicating he does give a shit about his realm instead of being evil and risking his realm for the dragon army
@SonicHaXD
@SonicHaXD 10 ай бұрын
Unbelievable Snake. Obviously everyone is talking about the live action evil version of Bi-Han smh XD
@The4thSnake
@The4thSnake 10 ай бұрын
Nah, that's me, soon, in my new Kombat Theory short.
@avaragehomuraakemienjoyer
@avaragehomuraakemienjoyer 9 ай бұрын
​@@The4thSnake I remember my dad watched that movie and began thinking of Bi-Han as this absolute despicable villian with no good traits at all due to the 2021 Mortal Kombat movie, i had to explain the actual MK lore to my dad because that movie highly missinforms the facts about the characters.
@shin-gokusatsu645
@shin-gokusatsu645 9 ай бұрын
That movie was fan service to Ed Boon cause the director knew he couldn't get enough of his Boyfriend Scorpion.
@onetrickpony9507
@onetrickpony9507 9 ай бұрын
Now it's on game too, cool
@thepriorstone4064
@thepriorstone4064 8 ай бұрын
At the very least, I now have an appreciation for Bi-Han as a complicated guy who really needs a redemption arc
@lukejones7164
@lukejones7164 10 ай бұрын
Human Bi-Han was always intended to be a morally grey character even in the original MK from 1992.
@RealmKast
@RealmKast 10 ай бұрын
Was saying pretty much this to Fantim on our recent Tarkatan Bitesized episode, albeit in much lesser detail! People assume Bi-Han was always evil but just that scene alone in Mythologies of him being concerned when hearing he had evil in his soul demonstrates the exact opposite for me. He is corrupted upon death and resurrecting in the Netherrealm as the tainted Noob Saibot, not prior!
@mrunknown4003
@mrunknown4003 10 ай бұрын
Yeah but remember when in mk9 Shang Tsung tells Johnny cage to kill baraka in the first chapter Johnny cage looks at Bi-han and he nodds NO...that shows that he still had good in him not taking a life.
@nobodyexceptme7794
@nobodyexceptme7794 10 ай бұрын
Someone hire this guy as a story editor
@mystictj9626
@mystictj9626 10 ай бұрын
..why?
@lukescrew1981
@lukescrew1981 10 ай бұрын
@@mystictj9626 Because he knows what he's talking about?
@hydrocritical2268
@hydrocritical2268 10 ай бұрын
@@lukescrew1981Hell no. Some of his rewrites are so bad. It’s crazy anyone thinks he’s right. Even himself.
@lukescrew1981
@lukescrew1981 10 ай бұрын
@@hydrocritical2268 Yeah I'm sure you could do so much better. Yes he knows what he's talking about stop coping
@Berd-Wasted.
@Berd-Wasted. 9 ай бұрын
​@@hydrocritical2268You're lack of evidence... is disturbing.
@MILDMONSTER1234
@MILDMONSTER1234 9 ай бұрын
Fucking Bi Han is now more like Shao then Shao Is in 1
@guilhermemarinho9861
@guilhermemarinho9861 10 ай бұрын
I actually have A LOT to think about Bi-Han's potential in the MK universe so bear with me for a moment. One thing that I always found it fascinating about Noob Saibot was his Arcade Ending in MK9 I always liked the implication where he betrays both Shinnok and Quan-Chi to rule the Netherrealm himself because it works with the idea that Noob is just the worst emotions of Bi-Han taking form. He now hates his brother, relishes on killing, wants more power than ever, serves people that are clearly evil with genocidal and not just mercenaries that kill some people for money, but most importantly, his hatred got stronger, and what are the people he hated the most when he was alive? The Shirai Ryu, Quan Chi and Shinnok. Which is why he ended up betraying them and taking control of the Netherealm (He says in the trailers that they could lead Earthrealm meaning he possibly feels a bit like he could genuinely makes things better and now as Noob he is distorted to believe he can do that by force, which is why he took over Netherealm as opposed to just leave it there after defeating Shinnok and Quan Chi.) This can also apply to his corruption still not fully erasing his old self but just realizing what Bi-Han wanted in the wrong way, now that he conquers the Netherrealm and it's friends with Havik maybe he can revive Sareena, maybe he can also turn his brother into a Wraith so he can be with him again, the Netherealm are the source of Scorpion's power, maybe now he can make Scorpion weaker and kill him definitely, and he may even be able to finally stop killing after all his conquest is done. Another way this could be interpreted is that the Wraith transformation is flawed because it keeps corrupting the revived corpse making him more and more evil which is why Noob betrayed Quan Chi despite being a supposedly more loyal servant than Scorpion, which could also explain why Quan Chi kept changing ressurection methods until he finally hit it gold with the Revenants who couldn't be lead astray by sympathetic moments like Specters and wouldn't get so evil they would plan to betray him like Wraiths. Bi-Han's current positon could also make for some pretty interesting relationships with characters like Ahsrah and Sareena, Ahsrah could start the story hating Bi-Han and deciding to terminate him but later learning about what happened to him and end up feeling sympathetic for him since he was basically forced to be a demon like creature like her once was and maybe she could try to help him get better, there is also Sareena who was spared by Bi-Han once and almost got saved by him so now she can save him to finally thank him properly, hell there is dialogue in MKX that hints that she may even love Bi-Han so this makes the whole thing more interesting. Both Ahsrah and Sareena can even team-up for a while (which could result in other great interactions on it's own but we will talk about that other time) Overall Noob Saibot corruption has so much potential and I hope M 1 K can capitalize on that because it's genuinely fascinating.
@jesusfontalvo703
@jesusfontalvo703 10 ай бұрын
😂 this just proof, the most of the fans have at least better ideas for the plot but keep in mind i really think as franchise as big like MK games and movies doesn't exploit the real potential of the story because there is so much to cover. NRS they're trying their best but my God they come with bad takes.
@raptormage2209
@raptormage2209 9 ай бұрын
Im gonna wait for the inevitable "Bi han wasted potential video "
@meldrickedwards1892
@meldrickedwards1892 10 ай бұрын
So basically, some people take corrupted Bi-Han's words as his true feelings.
@Zaire_39
@Zaire_39 8 ай бұрын
Yes because some people are very stupid.
@andreiryancaballero7422
@andreiryancaballero7422 6 ай бұрын
I mean, how do you get Bi-Han's personality in MK1?
@MattSayYay
@MattSayYay 10 ай бұрын
I’m glad someone finally mentioned that weird mention of Sektor in Kuai’s MK11 ending. The best I can get from that is that Bi-Han approved of the Cyber Initiative and Sektor planning to become a cyborg before he fought Scorpion, because the Cyber Initiative was planned weeks to months in advance, and Cyrax was only finding out about it right when the first tournament started. Not sure if Bi-Han would’ve approved of being a cyborg though.
@naos8116
@naos8116 10 ай бұрын
In the MK2 prequel comic, Kuai Liang talks about how Bi Han rejected a lot of modern tech. This is contrasted with Liang arriving in a jet.
@banjo9158
@banjo9158 10 ай бұрын
He seens like he is almost blindly loyal to the Lin Kuei and it's decisions. but he also reject tecnology. so it can go either way i think.
@Xick
@Xick 10 ай бұрын
@@naos8116 I was going to say that it could be another way he changed when he was transformed, but the hourglass appears to be showing him and Sektor, both human, standing over a cyborg. I think the only explanation left to us is that MattSayYay's timeline is right and comic Kuai Liang is just totally wrong for some reason about his brother not liking technology.
@BlueSunStudios1
@BlueSunStudios1 10 ай бұрын
@@Xick Perhaps the new timeline Bi-Han is less distrusting of modern technology as seen with his somewhat darker personality overall.
@vaggos2003
@vaggos2003 10 ай бұрын
​@@BlueSunStudios1To me it seems more like one more of the 10 million retcons in the NRS era.
@f687sNFM
@f687sNFM 10 ай бұрын
Also note, sindel, who was more powerful than bi han, did not get the same corruption. She was left as a revenant
@BlueSunStudios1
@BlueSunStudios1 10 ай бұрын
I suppose that the darkness in her own soul was not as bad as Bi-Han's at the time (until they stupidly shoehorned in the villainous evil retcon in MK11 Aftermath's story).
@nothingwrong2293
@nothingwrong2293 10 ай бұрын
It's just that corrupted Bi-Han is his own separate playable character and corrupted Sindel isn't
@f687sNFM
@f687sNFM 10 ай бұрын
@@BlueSunStudios1 remember sindel was originally not evil, they just retconned her to be evil in mk11. She was reborn as evil in mk9 so that shao khan can invade earth
@DirtyDev
@DirtyDev 10 ай бұрын
Idk if Sindel is more powerful than him because bro beat multiple elemental gods and beat scorpion twice
@zacariascisneros6399
@zacariascisneros6399 10 ай бұрын
Sindel was the worst thing that NRS could do (storywise)
@kingk.o.l.d6859
@kingk.o.l.d6859 10 ай бұрын
I don't think this Bi-Han is evil his intro "it is better now that we serve ourselves" suggest that he cares about his clan he wants them to be self reliant and strong of couse it also suggests that he wants more power enough power to stand above the rest but obviously cares about his people
@Jorrane_Rei_C
@Jorrane_Rei_C 10 ай бұрын
Yes. He’s just a leader who wants his clan to stop being second fiddle, that’s all.
@henrygambles3652
@henrygambles3652 10 ай бұрын
Well even then he has an intro in MK1 where he is shown to be horrified by Shang Tsung’s experiments so he’s not unforgivably evil, just heading down a dark path!
@mettatonneoex
@mettatonneoex 10 ай бұрын
I do think his ambition it's definitely way higher than most other timelines. He wants to become a Titan
@seasonembrace3624
@seasonembrace3624 10 ай бұрын
In Mythologies isn't he a sort of anti hero not a 100% villain?
@pious83
@pious83 10 ай бұрын
He's a loyal assassin within his clan (of assassins). Not really a villain or anti-hero. Just a salaryman.
@seasonembrace3624
@seasonembrace3624 10 ай бұрын
@@pious83 Gotta pay zee bills
@pious83
@pious83 10 ай бұрын
@@seasonembrace3624 Exactly!
@seasonembrace3624
@seasonembrace3624 10 ай бұрын
@@pious83 He honestly seems relatable minus the killing of course😅
@Canalbiruta
@Canalbiruta 10 ай бұрын
Yup, and he being worried by the fact he has a dark soul indicates the guy isn't just a bad guy, just a ninja who kills for a living and feels desensitized killing ppl, yet have morals and want to do good for his ppl.
@danemillerhass831
@danemillerhass831 10 ай бұрын
I think a great way to better address this in MK9 would’ve been to have Bi-Han defeat Sonya. Raiden then intervenes, preventing her death, and scolds Bi-Han, reminding him of his potential fate, to which he would reply that he is earning Tsung’s trust in order to betray and assassinate him for his last mission, thus earning his retirement. It would tie into his MK1 ending, give reason for the Lin Kuei fighting on Outworld’s side in the first tournament, and it would be a development of Raiden and Bi-Han’s interactions in Mythologies. It would show the grey area, where he is willing to commit cold-blooded killing in the name of his mission but also knowing he has to eventually change in order to save his soul; his death after this would be all the more in line with the tragic downfall. And, it would rectify the stupidity of having Sonya defeat him at all. The chapter system was stupid but that was one of the more egregious examples.
@Zaire_39
@Zaire_39 10 ай бұрын
This is really good. It’s a shame that this wasn’t thought of
@anonymousbastard5492
@anonymousbastard5492 10 ай бұрын
This is fire
@Anonymous-ix7ms
@Anonymous-ix7ms 10 ай бұрын
Really good plot. That would have shown how complex Bi Han actually is rather than a one dimensional "villain" character, which he never was in the first place. Truly, Bi Han deserves way more presence in the game and be one of main characters
@gabrieltejada1697
@gabrieltejada1697 9 ай бұрын
In that case Ermac definitely should not have lost to anyone in 1v1 fights unless they all ganged up on him.
@Zaire_39
@Zaire_39 9 ай бұрын
@@gabrieltejada1697 You’re right, he shouldn’t have. Ermac shouldn’t have been losing to Sub-Zero twice, Stryker, Takeda & Jacqui.
@scarfhay5541
@scarfhay5541 9 ай бұрын
Scorpion: "You took everything from me!" Bi-Han: "I don't even know you?"
@HarrenTonderen
@HarrenTonderen 10 ай бұрын
Imagine they pull Twindel all over again but with Bi-Han, saying "he looks evil so he is evil and caring about brother is not what evil person would do"
@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743
@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743 3 ай бұрын
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
@aeric_
@aeric_ 10 ай бұрын
the typical older brotherly rivals was a good way to put it. but Bi-Han was definitely born anew as Noob. his mk deception ending was my taking point. especially with him killing his old "self" and his brother who was his last connection to that.
@naos8116
@naos8116 10 ай бұрын
And they even kinda tied it back to his showing his compassion in Mythologies. Sareena arrives and saves Sub-Zero from getting killed there canonically. Because of Bi Han's compassion (which was stripped from him), he saved his brother down the line. Obviously, not intended, but when you think about it, it's really cool.
@lukescrew1981
@lukescrew1981 10 ай бұрын
MK Mythologies Sub-Zero continues as underappreciated I see
@onetrickpony9507
@onetrickpony9507 9 ай бұрын
Sure is hell is evil now unfortunately. Boon has to get his scorpion style eternal revenge on bi-han
@JLT0087
@JLT0087 10 ай бұрын
Bi-han was a ruthless assassin and probably cared more for for the future of the Lin Kuei than for the good of Earthrealm. However, I find it hard to believe he would be needlessly cruel to his brother, his expected heir. Hard, certainly, but he would want him to excel, to showcase the best of their clan's strength. I can see them arguing over the future of the clan, Bi-han worrying over his brother's morality making him weak, but not him actively hating him from the start.
@pious83
@pious83 10 ай бұрын
I'd forgotten how much better Noob's default MK9 look was over that of MK11.
@TheNadroj10
@TheNadroj10 10 ай бұрын
And his voice was much less cringe. Just a normal deep distorted voice; much better than the wannabe inspector gadget villain bullshit we got in mk11
@BlackPrince24
@BlackPrince24 10 ай бұрын
I always found Bi-Han more so as an anti-hero who is willing to gets his hands dirty for his benefit or the greater good. It would make sense since he comes from the Lin Kuei, a clan that decided cyborg themselves because of their leader and abandon their humanity. But the new timeline seems to merge his Sub Zero and Noob Saibot personas into one.
@avaragehomuraakemienjoyer
@avaragehomuraakemienjoyer 9 ай бұрын
I think Bi-Han's new personality is actually taken mostly from Sektor.
@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743
@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743 8 ай бұрын
@@avaragehomuraakemienjoyer Which is gonna suck for the people who wants to see a living or alive Bi-Han being his own person regardless of moral alignment; make him morally good or neutral or evil in a way that is supposed to compliment his pre-existing earlier Khrarakterization BUT knowing NRS with their Black & White mentality (which still seems to continue), keeping our expectations low is all the more wiser
@Nova7_the_insane
@Nova7_the_insane 10 ай бұрын
Funny how the current MK fanbase seems to love reducing awesome characters to 1 dimensional black and white jobbers e.g 'evil' Bi Han, 'evil' Sindel. I dunno, personally I like my fan favorite characters to have some level of depth to them when they can
@Endru85x
@Endru85x 10 ай бұрын
For real, there are people who prefer horny power hungry Sindel over the one with redemption story.
@Tenerens1s
@Tenerens1s 10 ай бұрын
because ‘story doesn’t matter in fighting games!!!!’ yeah no lol
@Endru85x
@Endru85x 10 ай бұрын
@@Tenerens1s story and characters are what keep me interested in fighting games so fuck all those people who say they don,t care about story.
@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743
@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743 3 ай бұрын
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
@MannerdDesert7
@MannerdDesert7 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video, it’s actually staggering how many people think Bi Han is evil. In case you forgot about it Noob’s Armageddon ending is actually a really good example of Bi Han & Noob being different as the two fight for control but they end up being merged together creating something in between (implying Bi Han is good or at least not evil)
@GrayCatbird1
@GrayCatbird1 8 ай бұрын
It’s worth noting that in MK11 Kuai Liang interacts with him as though Noob Saibot was Bi-Han’s true personality, rather than someone who’s been manipulated, which contrasts with how the revenants or even Sektor are regarded. In his eyes, Noob Saibot is his brother’s “true” form. Otherwise he wouldn’t have told him “we are not brothers”. It seems that from a writing perspective at least, the writers decided Bi-Han would have Noob Saibot’s personality from the get-go in MK1. It seems that if Bi-Han ever was anything else, perhaps everyone, not just the fans but the writers as well, have forgotten it.
@someformerwyrm9262
@someformerwyrm9262 10 ай бұрын
Its why i dislike it when people say they want Bi-Han full evil in this timeline. If NRS makes him a completely unredeemable prick, whats the point of noob?
@ninjor9800
@ninjor9800 9 ай бұрын
Kuai Liang did a lot of good - reforming the Lin Kuei, aiding Earthrealms other champions against threats. However, I always found it tragic that he wasn't able to save his brother or Frost.
@carbodude5414
@carbodude5414 4 ай бұрын
I hope the next game re-rails Bi-Han's characterization to be closer to how he was in the older timelines; still a prick but a prick with standards If Jin Kazama from Tekken can be redeemed, the same can be done for Bi-Han
@Zaire_39
@Zaire_39 3 ай бұрын
That would mean putting effort in which they won’t. Also, why is that Bi-Han can’t get redemption but Hanzo can despite doing far worse than Bi-Han?
@sayerzaurrini3796
@sayerzaurrini3796 8 ай бұрын
My only problem with the story of Bi Han is they turn him into a different character and don't expand on it at all. They make him into another henchmen for the bigger villains, but it's obvious that his has motivations of his own. He's not like the others. He's always been seen as a very powerful and mysterious character but nothing ever happened. If the writers won't make Noob follow through with his goals and just make him a background character even though he has so much potential to be bigger, than at least follow through with Kuai Liangs story to cure Bi Han to get his brother back. In his mk11 dialogue, he talks about the circumstances that made him into Noob. Let him pursue his goals: Getting revenge on Scorpion for killing him, getting revenge of Quan chi for framing him. There is so much potential for development to make a great story for Bi Han and it pains me to see this character go to waste.
@Layde36
@Layde36 8 ай бұрын
have him be a neutral character for ffs and not just a gatekeeper to get washed by our good guys for the 1000th time, dude got humilated as noob in the past timeline by jacqui of all people who herself lost to goofballs like ferra torr smh
@internetprofessorguy2138
@internetprofessorguy2138 9 ай бұрын
So, as someone who watched the story... you're gonna be dissapointed about Bi-Han, Snake, just so you know.
@Zaire_39
@Zaire_39 9 ай бұрын
Oh I know I was devastated
@munaigboekwu1830
@munaigboekwu1830 9 ай бұрын
​@@Zaire_39same 😔
@pt7930
@pt7930 9 ай бұрын
Their writing for Bi Han was an utter tragedy 😞
@Zaire_39
@Zaire_39 9 ай бұрын
@@pt7930 how Bi-Han can never get redemption but hanzo can despite Hanzo being objectively worse than Bi-Han will always astound me
@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743
@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743 3 ай бұрын
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
@n_cog_neato
@n_cog_neato 10 ай бұрын
Alive Bi Han was an assassin for hire. It was simply his living. Had Raiden hired him, he would’ve done his job. The only people who think he’s always been evil are the popular shills who probably weren’t around for the early midway games.
@kizaruthegreat
@kizaruthegreat 9 ай бұрын
never viewed him as evil but just a ruthless assassin. his brother is more human while he is just on the job. he has his own code of honor which is the lin kuei above himself while his brother put family above the clan.
@shawerful5209
@shawerful5209 9 ай бұрын
Its wrong how quan chi is more used in the story, but the original sub zero is tossed aside.
@Layde36
@Layde36 9 ай бұрын
well its a shame but i guess ed boon hates bi han now
@Zaire_39
@Zaire_39 9 ай бұрын
@@Layde36ed boon hasnt gotten over bi-han killing his favourite character twice
@Layde36
@Layde36 9 ай бұрын
@@Zaire_39bruh boon gotta retire fr like why tf he even had his name and tobias's name around the character noob saibot if he only made him to take ls against newbies like jacqui briggs and not a single clean w, might well as make him a local jobber
@WolfTrooperRex
@WolfTrooperRex 9 ай бұрын
Midway: Bi-Han is a complex character Player: How So? Midway: He's got (backstory 1) and (backstory 2)... not to mention he (Shujinko ending 1) and (shujinko ending 2). He also has a troll hammer -20 years of retcons later NRS: Bi-Han hates his brother Player: How so? NRS: Because I said so. We write the canon Player: Based on what? NRS: Our shitty Shao Kahn Armageddon ending x Funny Kronika fanfiction
@wtfsi4aaa
@wtfsi4aaa 9 ай бұрын
A perfect way to describe to the whole video context
@Harryerpoow
@Harryerpoow 8 ай бұрын
This comment is gold.
@rcblazer
@rcblazer 10 ай бұрын
In MK Mythologies, Bi-Han went into the NetherRealm on Raiden's command to steal back Shinnok's amulet, and that's what he does. If he was always meant to be an evil bastard, why did he turn down Quan Chi's offer to join the Brotherhood of Shadow and serve Shinnok in that game? Bottom line, Bi-Han only starts being evil AFTER he is transformed into Noob Saibot. Quan Chi simply told him the evil deep down is what allowed him to enter the NetherRealm, but as you said, he's an assassin, a trained killer; of course he has some evil in him!
@sebastianquintana5412
@sebastianquintana5412 8 ай бұрын
If i was tricked into reviving the devil by an occult wizard and then got burned and decapitated by a vengeful spirit for a crime i didnt commit i would also be kinda angry ngl
@camsilva7021
@camsilva7021 10 ай бұрын
While joe taslim did a great job portraying him in the new movie, I hate how they basically made him a pawn for Shang Tsung, and completely evil. He’s a conflicted man who at the end of mythologies questions his actions, but like you said it’s too late by the time he can really change
@mr.awesome6011
@mr.awesome6011 10 ай бұрын
I'm glad you're committed to calling the game "Mortal One Kombat"
@The4thSnake
@The4thSnake 10 ай бұрын
I mean, that's what it says on the box.
@mr.awesome6011
@mr.awesome6011 10 ай бұрын
​@The4thSnake Technically, MK11 did as well, but it makes sense to distinguish this new game as such in order to differentiate it from the first game.
@NataliaJuliaNowak
@NataliaJuliaNowak 10 ай бұрын
In my mind these games are: "Mortal Jeden Kombat" (MK1) and "Mortal Jedenaście Kombat" (MK11). I'm Polish.
@ShadowKarma
@ShadowKarma 9 ай бұрын
it always made me sad that ever no one saved bi-han/noob but saved scorpion
@vanxanax933
@vanxanax933 10 ай бұрын
I've always thought this, story wise it's so much more tragic to see an innocent man brutally slaughtered for a crime he didn't commit, i also find it strange that Kuai Liang doesn't realize his brother is brainwashed, and hates him now and sides with the guy who was blind with vengeance and murdered his innocent brother ? To me the ultimate wasted plotline is Kuai Liang and a reformed scorpion trying to restore bi han. Scorpion should have died at the hands of noob saibot, but is okay with it because he's THE ONE WHO MURDERED BI HAN FOR NO REASON. absolute waste of 3 characters who had such potential for a tragic/heartfelt storyline.
@TheAcrelicGem
@TheAcrelicGem 9 ай бұрын
FINALLY! Someone with common sense! I’ve already subscribed, and I’m glad I did.
@The4thSnake
@The4thSnake 9 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard.
@nathanos2615
@nathanos2615 10 ай бұрын
I really hope Bi-Han’s relationship with his brother is represented well in MK1. I’m a sucker for a good brother story and I’d love to see a good one between two brothers and an adopted brother because of how close to home it hits.
@Jorrane_Rei_C
@Jorrane_Rei_C 10 ай бұрын
THANK YOU. Bi-Han pre Noob was neutral more than anything and he was a dickhead not an edgelord cartoon villain. I fear they are going to make Bi-Han into a one note villain who only craves power (yawn) in this new timeline though which is only going to further people’s misconception of this character… If I was the writer I would find a way to make him oppose the main group, but isn’t necessarily evil. I don’t mind a Sub-Zero that chooses his own path but isn’t objectively evil. Would probably make for a more interesting plot.
@wholethedogsout880
@wholethedogsout880 10 ай бұрын
morally grey/anti hero bi-han!
@avaragehomuraakemienjoyer
@avaragehomuraakemienjoyer 9 ай бұрын
Bro if they turn Bi-Han into a Sektor rippoff i'm gonna get pretty upset.
@doomslayer9138
@doomslayer9138 8 ай бұрын
​@@avaragehomuraakemienjoyer💀
@lemuel1589
@lemuel1589 5 ай бұрын
​@@doomslayer9138você tá até aqui?
@doomslayer9138
@doomslayer9138 5 ай бұрын
@@lemuel1589 sim
@Mannimarco_King_of_Worms
@Mannimarco_King_of_Worms 8 ай бұрын
This aged well. Mk1 Bi Han is not only evil, but really dumb, douchy and naive to believe deadly alliance and betray his brothers in a span of like 10 minutes. This, ladies and gentlemen, is on par with Sindel mk11 retcon
@Layde36
@Layde36 8 ай бұрын
Well really if they wanted this rivalry between sub zero and scorpion they could have had bi Han betray all of them the deadly alliance and Shao and the heroes to use the dragon army to protect and keep Lin Kuei away from Liu Kang and Shang Tsung being a neutral faction instead of just siding with the deadly alliance and according to the dialogues for the future mk13 game freeing general Shao giving him a full heel turn, like they got to give him the noob saibot treatment again smh
@shawerful5209
@shawerful5209 8 ай бұрын
Its worst, because atleast in sindel case, her good side is said in bios, but we have a entire game showing that sub zero is not just a asshole
@thedarkroom6416
@thedarkroom6416 8 ай бұрын
@@shawerful5209I think this is not too bad as it serves a puroose
@thedarkroom6416
@thedarkroom6416 8 ай бұрын
I think this is far better as it serves a purpose to the story to serve. A new rivalry
@Layde36
@Layde36 8 ай бұрын
​@@thedarkroom6416what does it serve really other than Kuai Liang getting all the wins especially when he has Liu Kang and Outworld by his side to support him while bi Han is getting betrayed by General Shao after freeing him btw, if anything its a one sided rivalry which we will see Bi Han become a jobber like in the previous games again
@diegoalejandroblanco5543
@diegoalejandroblanco5543 9 ай бұрын
I come from the future! They spit in your essay buddy 😅
@Layde36
@Layde36 9 ай бұрын
i guess someone in nrs really likes to piss off 4thsnake in some manner sadly, dude made a vid about bi han and now we see nrs doing the opposite of what the vid implied, hopefully they dont butcher bi han in the next game for once like they did in the previous games
@lestertoni160
@lestertoni160 9 ай бұрын
@@Layde36 With what they did with Bi-han in Mk1, its gonna be really difficult to redeem him and I dont see him and Kuai Liang repairing their relationship
@Layde36
@Layde36 9 ай бұрын
@@lestertoni160 hes like an anti villain now having good intentions for his clans but committing evil deeds for it, i mean in some of the dialogues he despises what shang tsung did with his lab or him being probably betrayed by shao for freeing him, eitherways hes having villains against him now too and probably will become his own separate faction taking sides whenever they benefit it like erron black but a moral one unlike the black dragon which also means they usually gain a lot of losses sadly but i guess we need jobbers in the story too
@Mannimarco_King_of_Worms
@Mannimarco_King_of_Worms 8 ай бұрын
​@@Layde36and apparently it seems like some NRS writers are watching him. I remember he had an idea of fighting NPC's with copypasted movesets from playable characters for not to make every villain feel like a punching bag, and we literally have this in mk1
@alctraz_s299
@alctraz_s299 10 ай бұрын
The lady who played Serena back then is so damn fine
@maxenite
@maxenite 7 ай бұрын
😄
@urgrannysbf
@urgrannysbf 9 ай бұрын
I think he's essentially Neutral, but that neutrality may be construed as being on the darker side due to the setting he's in. I mean, in a world where it's normal to kill someone in a fight, Liu Kang is seen as a paragon while still having a body count
@PaleoNerd1905
@PaleoNerd1905 10 ай бұрын
While this is obviously just a headcanon, I think it could be interesting if Quan Chi turned Bi-Han into Noob Saibot as a form of revenge for foiling his plan in Mythologies, deliberately stripping him of his identity and literally making him a shadow of his former self. I'm also suspicious that part of Bi-Han's flanderization is due to the need for the MK writers to make Scorpion a protagonist in the story to match his popularity, and therefore requiring the man who killed him to be painted as the "bad guy", when having the two be nuanced characters both equally in the right and wrong (perhaps by making it clear that both clans have blood on their hands, rather than making the Shirai Ryu seem like the better of the two). Perhaps even establishing that Hanzo would have killed Bi-Han had the roles been reversed in Mythologies would go far in clarifying that not only is Hanzo also an assassin with blood on his hands, but also that Bi-Han was somewhat justified in killing him, since they're mortal enemies.
@Deathmare235
@Deathmare235 10 ай бұрын
Isn’t sub zero also their poster boy albeit on a lesser level
@shamarbarrett9958
@shamarbarrett9958 10 ай бұрын
@@Deathmare235yea but scorpion is ed boons favorite , so theirs favortism 😂😂
@griley823
@griley823 10 ай бұрын
I’m tired of the scorpion stuff, he is overhyped and the only reason he remains so popular is because he is Ed’s favorite bastard child.
@naos8116
@naos8116 10 ай бұрын
Quan Chi was so salty because he was owned by Bi Han that he got Scorpion to try to kill his brother years down the line in MK4. So I wouldn't be surprised.
@Deathmare235
@Deathmare235 10 ай бұрын
@@griley823 but there was barely any scorpion in mk9
@Araxhii
@Araxhii 10 ай бұрын
I'm actually surprised some people think pre-noob saibot Bi han was always evil, kind of a dick maybe, but evil?
@rickrogan2355
@rickrogan2355 8 ай бұрын
I always saw Bi Han as an asshole, not evil. I do hope this is all a set up for a redemption story.
@shamarbarrett9958
@shamarbarrett9958 8 ай бұрын
How was he an asshole?
@yodogarou36
@yodogarou36 6 ай бұрын
@@shamarbarrett9958lol😂 what kind of question is that?
@ryankwon8785
@ryankwon8785 9 ай бұрын
I think Bi Han hated how the Lin Kuei defends Earthrealm but never receives any recognition or respect in return by the rest of Earthrealm aside from Liu Kang and his allies.
@emphorepolpatinedasenate
@emphorepolpatinedasenate 8 ай бұрын
As a big fan of subzero (both) I hate how people keep stereotyping him
@respiratoryfailure3780
@respiratoryfailure3780 10 ай бұрын
They did him dirty like they did Sindel.
@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743
@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743 3 ай бұрын
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
@ralphflowers17
@ralphflowers17 8 ай бұрын
They twindeled Bi Han
@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743
@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743 3 ай бұрын
You took the words out of my mouth…
@THEBLACCZOMBI
@THEBLACCZOMBI 9 ай бұрын
*Didn't Bi Han save the Earth? I believe Raiden mentioned this and it was in the original canon. I never thought he was evil based on the original story.*
@meshybb
@meshybb 8 ай бұрын
As soon as the game dropped I came here 😂😂😂😂😂
@SuperSpeed21
@SuperSpeed21 10 ай бұрын
Kinda sucks that for this timeline reboot, they're trying to insist that Bi-Han was always evil. Like in MKM:SZ he had morals, in MK9 it was the same, he was innocent for murder he didn't commit. Only the live-action of the first MK movie and the reboot is Bi-Han portrayed as being evil.
@sgt.zaitsev287
@sgt.zaitsev287 10 ай бұрын
I sort of like how MK1 is turning Bi-Han into an asshole but not evil. Bi-Han may be self serving but I dont imagine he will betray his family and clan
@zvonimirtomac7896
@zvonimirtomac7896 10 ай бұрын
I think Kuai Liang also rejecting his brother in MK 11 and labeling him as a lost cause also contributed to the unfair judgement of Bi-Han's character. But that's just bad writing in MK 11's story
@Deemo202
@Deemo202 10 ай бұрын
Or it was just the…years and years of Noob trying to kill him and rejecting him as well lmaooo
@s.m.d.8221
@s.m.d.8221 5 ай бұрын
It's funny, both in the story and in his dialogues with Noob, Kuai Liang rejects his brother and says that he is a lost cause, but in his dialogues with Fujin he says that he wants to save Bi-Han. How bipolar was MK11's Kuai Liang .-.
@duckduck439
@duckduck439 10 ай бұрын
BI- Han is not completely evil but he is more valent then his brother who was more likely to pair people
@boomer310
@boomer310 10 ай бұрын
He’s probably gonna be a twist villain traitor or something Hope not tho
@seasonembrace3624
@seasonembrace3624 10 ай бұрын
Finger's crossed lad
@MythicShadow04
@MythicShadow04 9 ай бұрын
I also think the biggest hint was after Scorpion was shown the false past of Sub-Zero killing his family and clan, Bi-Han tried to plead with him that he didn't do that at all. If Bi-Han was indeed a total irredeemable person, why would he even try to deny something that he had supposedly had caused? It would go against of pretty much everything of what he had done prior during his life as an assassin, and he would know directly what he has caused and the people he has killed since he is an assassin.
@StormX6
@StormX6 10 ай бұрын
Developers only made Bi-Han (prior to becoming Noob) evil just so Scorpion would come across as “the good guy”. Which is total BS considering Scorpion was actually a villain who would cause problems for the protagonists. Ed Boon is a big Scorpion fan, so that’s why Hanzo is all of a sudden a hero.
@KBXband
@KBXband 10 ай бұрын
Sub-zero is my favorite MK character. I love his powers and backstory and the fact that there were two of them. Mythologies was one of the stories where I saw him as a conflicted good guy.
@alejbr4
@alejbr4 10 ай бұрын
bi han is a child soldier, so darkness was forced on, him... he most likely took on more morally ambigiuos missions simply to protect kuai liang, and all that messes with your mind. is isnt straight evil more of a lawful version. and quan chi just brought that part out to the front like how scorpion is hanzo's darkest emotions....since those 2 became so strong chi didn't do the same to the others
@PrimevalParadise
@PrimevalParadise 10 ай бұрын
My personal headcanon who Bi Han is as a person is what most people wanted Kuai Liang's arc to be, but with him almost refusing to fully change. Basically, he's a person that keeps the Lin Kuei first and foremost, even if others try to reach out to him and thaw his frozen heart He clearly has compassion for Sareena and concern of things being too late to save his soul. He seems like the type of person that understands where he is in the world and is mostly content with it. Granted, Sareena and the compassion he felt for her may have made him rethink that position, suggesting a thawing heart, but he purposefully keeps his true emotions locked up
@doomeranon8669
@doomeranon8669 8 ай бұрын
the idea that Bi Han is evil because of what he said in MK11 is also dumb because the same character in intros shows the human element trying to break free like when he talks about how Scorpion killing him and looking for justice, only to get told to get fucked by the good guys. Bi Han wasn't always a good person but to claim he never had any good parts or had some kind of love for his brother is absurd.
@Bastard_Sword
@Bastard_Sword 6 ай бұрын
My theory is that the only person that understands Bi-Han is Tobias because it seems Ed Boon is clueless about him.
@Zaire_39
@Zaire_39 6 ай бұрын
Why do people blame Ed Boon when Ed is not & has never been the guy writing these stories?
@Undoom
@Undoom 10 ай бұрын
I've said this for years. People really judge morality black and white. Morality has shades of grey as well. As my favorite character I relate with him. As a bit of a tortured soul. I get his personality 100%.
@EpicvidsKetti08
@EpicvidsKetti08 9 ай бұрын
#JusticeforBiHan
@shamarbarrett9958
@shamarbarrett9958 10 ай бұрын
Thank you , i kept seeing that bi han is supposed to be an evil dick who hates his brother which was crazy 😂😂 he was only like that when he got corrupted
@_insomniac_423
@_insomniac_423 8 ай бұрын
I don’t blame people making this misconception when most of Bi-Han’s development occurred in a universally panned game from the late 90s.
@Zaire_39
@Zaire_39 8 ай бұрын
Yeah but you would think that Dominic the guy who is supposedly more knowledgeable of MK than Ed Boon (Boon’s words by the way) would know about Mythologies but nope he continues to prove he knows nothing. MK11 was big proof of that.
@Gadreth
@Gadreth 10 ай бұрын
I think people say that because it is easier thinking everything was always the same than accepting that the character changed, like how everyone will always default that Sub Zero and Scorpion will want to kill each other unless specified otherwise Maybe they think Noob was always the same so there are no need to restore his past self Who needs two characters with ice powers when you can have one with ice and other with shadow powers?
@MrScruffywolf
@MrScruffywolf 7 ай бұрын
Fuckin thank you! Him being evil to the point of cliche in MK1 was really annoying. I was really hoping to see him be more of an actual character and see his relationship with his brother but, fuck me I guess.
@BalkanMapperRO
@BalkanMapperRO 10 ай бұрын
I love your passion for this franchise.Respect to you my dude ❤
@IamNster
@IamNster 9 ай бұрын
So... uh... about that...
@onemotivatedboi9986
@onemotivatedboi9986 10 ай бұрын
Honestly I agree with you Bi-han always gets labeled as the evil one without going deep into the research. I personally became a fan because of how bi-han was before his death. Hyped that we get him in m1k but I'm worried netherrealm may fumble the ball. And just make him evil...Though kuai as the new scorpion gives me some hope that bi-han won't be a villain as time goes on. He's yet to become noob and from what it seems he doesn't have something that makes him consider his actions yet so he'll have that taint... So it may make sense why he would be so cold on this game Hopefully by the next MK we'll be given something that shows his good side as he will go from possible villain to anti hero. Maybe sareena will have something to do with it or maybe we'll have a version of Noob that'll be that bi-han's literal evil clone so in that case he does not have to die and gives him the chance to reform... who knows we just gotta cross our fingers and hope on this one
@hurricane7727
@hurricane7727 10 ай бұрын
To be fair even Shujinko had a Taint on him as well mentioned by Nightwolf.
@WikiThis
@WikiThis 10 ай бұрын
Having Kuai Liang as Scorpion gives me some hope they aren't just going to instantly kill him off in the first game he comes back. It would be strange to have a game without a Sub Zero.
@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743
@alsuvarnadvipadanargentum1743 3 ай бұрын
What you said… Sadly became reality with MK1.2 😢 😡 where NRS has Twindeled Round 2 to Bi-Han
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