Bible-Based Trading Card Games

[@kamsandwich]

For any Bible Battles fiends out there, the Card Masterlist and the Defunct Website are both available in the description! Go wild you crazy kids. Know of any other Bible-Based Card Games I missed? Let us know below so we can all learn a little more!

[@CatManThree]

Fiends???? Kam supporting satanic ideal by speaking of demons????

[@aimix93]

Can't wait until you dive into the abyss of Deseret Books. They had a massive amount of Book of Mormon knock-offs of other real games, including Book of Mormon Battles

[@pastelgothine420]

@@aimix93 book of mormon battles sounds crazy out of context

[@nicholasshaler7442]

Not the same as the trading card game, but I loved Redemption the board game as a kid. I recognize a lot of the art; I had no idea the card game exists.

[@viklore8091]

Can't believe you didn't mention the Serbian collectible card game Pravoslavni heroji , it had a very fun ad!

[@RockmanX47]

One of my favorite cards in Redemption has to be one just called, "Lewd Men" whose effect is simply, "Repel all female heroes"

[@clockworkpotato9892]

Is there a 'Lewd Women' card as well?

[@Lee71100]

So that means all the female heroes are lesbians

[@Nick_Vendel]

@@clockworkpotato9892 no, as "summoning all male heroes" would be too unbalanced.

[@Chocomint_Queen]

@@Nick_Vendel You joke, but the answer is nearly yes, and that's nearly what it did. The card "Women As Snares" from the third set, The Women, was a female villain who, upon blocking an opponent's hero, took _all their male villains_ and put them in Bondage as lost souls, meaning the opponent has to successfully attack you again to reclaim each one in order to win. The flavour is that lewd women are dangerous and attract and ruin men who are too sinful to know better.

[@Nick_Vendel]

@@Chocomint_Queen I'm genuinely not sure if i should be disgusted or impressed XD

[@SoulSukkur]

i love that "unplug" and "cut down on video games" are two different categories. i think they're padding.

[@StarkMaximum]

Also, _multiple_ entries in the Unplug section are cordless, like the phones they point out.

[@beanofknowledge2125]

The fact they had to pad out a three point list is almost impressive

[@gayflower900]

1. Phone bad 2. Phone bad

[@phillipjones1536]

@@gayflower900 3. bible good

[@arahman56]

@@gayflower900 3. Kids are too much into games with fighting, here's instead a card game depicting wars and bible verses.

[@NeoDerikik]

The second I heard "another bible inspired card game" and "from this year" I immediately thought: "Yep, I bet it's loaded with AI slop"

[@Anon_Spartan]

Where is my AI Bible game with shrimp Jesus, Jesus saving air stewardess Scarlet Johanssen, and Jesus fighting Aligators in mud???

[@Brianna-eo8nu]

To their credit, there do seem to be at least a few carts that have original artwork on them. But it’s a shame they used the glorified art theft machine at all. Pretty sure stealing was a deadly sin…

[@Rynewulf]

@@Brianna-eo8nubut making more private profit is just so in keeping with Jesus, not a public belt whipping incident at all

[@AnglosArentHuman]

@@Rynewulf I'm not a particularly devout Christian, but it's ridiculously funny as to how even a cursory reading of the New Testament reveals how the Anglo-Saxon economic model is everything described as evil and Satanic.

[@kittyshippercavegirl]

@@Brianna-eo8nu wow, what a surprised, people prioritising profit over their own religion that they supposedly follow and care about and are willing to go to wars over...

[@wiiuandmii7619]

The Sea of Forgetfulness is such a good flavor name for the discard pile that I’m honestly kind of stunned it comes from a Brazil-exclusive Biblical TCG.

[@soapsatellite]

Honestly, same

[@pastelgothine420]

@@wiiuandmii7619 me daily

[@TurtleMarcus]

The first thing that comes to my mind, is the "River of Forgetfulness", called "Lethe", from Greek mythology. Plato says that souls had to drink from it before they were reincarnated, so that they forgot their previous lives.

[@ajh22895]

That's for the anime to make it child-friendly.

[@SeaMarketSeason]

Don't underestimate the creative power of Brazilians

[@TBgamer4]

"w-we... found it? we found the bees?"

[@heliveruscalion9124]

we found the bees (: 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝

[@brohonky7750]

TB WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE

[@CaptainWwowW]

Finally, we know who would win in the bible. A question asked by literally tens of people.

[@WolfWalrus]

I think I think there's one fairly obvious winner in most situations

[@surprisedchar2458]

Okay but who would win? King David with a Barrett or Goliath but wearing an EOD suit

[@TheFlame_Hawk]

​@@WolfWalrusdepends on if this would actually be in the bible. If so, Israelites would win because Christianity. If not however, Rome would smoke them

[@eugenekrabs141]

@@WolfWalrus Yeah, bees solo everyone else, no idea who is asking this foolish question.

[@hihigocat]

one of God vs a billion bees

[@logans.7932]

Redemption’s “Paul” card being reversible is the sickest shit ever, the fact that they did that probably decades before we had stuff like the pokemon TCG’s “BREAK” or “Legend” cards is cool

[@doylerudolph7965]

Magic had truly reversible cards (flip cards) in Kamigawa block, around 2004, and dual-faced cards (which used the back face of the card rather than just turning it upside down like the flip cards) in Innistrad block in 2011. Would be vaguely interested in knowing when Redemption first did so - it seems like Saul/Paul specifically released in 2001 in Apostles, so even if that isn't the first, it still had Magic beat!

[@wojtektaracinski7977]

The flip cards from Kamigawa even followed similar theme as the Redemption ones (characters starting as nobodies and becoming legends - like an ordinary human footsolider becoming legendary warrior after it kills enemy creature) But yeah, unfortunately this design was... less then loved by the players, so Wizards settled for double-faced cards instead

[@algotkristoffersson15]

@@doylerudolph7965the reason they stopped is. When playing a card game 1v1, where do you sit? Usually on opposite sides of the table, And so your opponent sees the wrong version of it.

[@algotkristoffersson15]

@@wojtektaracinski7977it’s about actual design problems, not general dislike

[@1stCallipostle]

Out here XYZ summoning Paul. There, the slop that is magic has been broken up a bit

[@BeerMoneyEngine]

I remember Redemption being played at a card shop for like a year. The owner thought it'd be funny to try to get people playing Illuminati: New World Order (which was a dead game by the time) alongside it as a joke. NWO didn't last very long, maybe a few weeks to a month.. but they had a solid 15-20 people playing Redemption tournaments on a Friday night before the shop shut down. I kept hearing it as a good competitive cheap alternative to the bigger games whether or not you're a Christian. Might be worth getting a few assorted cards and trying the game out sometime.

[@JakesFavorites]

"Before the shop shut down" is very telling.

[@Tinil0]

I just don't see how a resourceless card game can possibly be balanced

[@critica77y77]

@JakesFavorites About what, the shop being poorly managed, the internet killing card shops, or the products on offer just not being what the customers wanted?

[@feliciavale4279]

​@@Tinil0You should play it and see

[@feliciavale4279]

@@JakesFavorites Yeah in today's world that doesn't really surprise me. Card/video game shops and almost any type of physical media store is on its way out sadly.

[@Anonymous-z6n]

In Korea, there is a Bible card game called 'Amsongwang' (암송왕/King Of The Words). It was originally created to make it easier for children to memorize Bible verses. I remember there were new card releases and tournaments until recently.

[@MaxShouldier]

also, new card and tournaments are not real, they are just shxtpost for jokes

[@superilikeeggsyo]

Redemption has good-ass art ngl. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the key to the game's longevity.

[@vxicepickxv]

It's not just art leading to a good game. It was definitely a factor. Getting in early without needing to pay royalties also helped. The gameplay may even be good.

[@TeeJayRivers]

Redemption had great art that was hindered by terrible formatting. I remember playing it as a kid and sometimes having to squint at the cards to read the abilities. Kind of a bad idea to print the abilities directly on top of the art, but hey, they needed the space at the bottom for bible verses.

[@superilikeeggsyo]

@@TeeJayRivers I mean it's a bible TCG so I doubt you're going to get very far without bible verses lol

[@Youhadabadday2021]

Congrats my good sir, you just complemented A.I. ART. The Forbidden Fruit card in particular is a dead giveaway of this, because that snake is scuffed as all hell.

[@Genuinemoonclown]

​@@Youhadabadday2021 Damn, can't believe they had A.I in 1995

[@l_unaSy]

Redemption didn't have to go that hard. I dig the card art.

[@Jarannyemplung]

​@@rfurthegamer3412 op clearly meant the last one, and there are no generative ai in the 90s are there?

[@Tarfire979]

I used to have hundreds of Redemption cards when i was younger. As my parents always stated, "No Magic the Gathering (MTG) or anything of that kind under this roof". Thank you for bringing back old forgotten memories of it, as I ironically forgot this even existed, once I started playing MTG later in life.

[@ImTheGuy]

Ned Flanders is popping OFF right now.

[@YourPalJamieEllis]

Ned Flanders would be the guy at the store with the $15k deck all foiled out and signed by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

[@maglev0789]

Now that you say it, Bible Battles feels like a Simpsons gag

[@underfan7713]

​@maglev957 there's actually a bit in one episode where ned is selling Christian trading cards (more like baseball cards or similar, but close enough)

[@Brianna-eo8nu]

This game gives me the vibe of something a Christian mom would buy their kid or teen as a substitute for Magic The Gathering since she thought it was to satanic.

[@hawkecrail5186]

If anything just the price of mtg at this point is satanic

[@FaithBattleCardgame]

My mom burned my letters and that's why we're here 😂

[@PrincessOzaline]

That's why I had Redemption cards as a kid, can confirm.

[@calebharris292]

Ding ding fucking ding except it was yugioh

[@pananonim6744]

Gathering is worse

[@MassacresMansion]

Redemption sounds so interesting as someone who enjoys minmaxing trading card games! Love the informative nature of your videos Kam! And uh... hehe. I can't wait to see your take on Monopoly Cheaters Edition. Good luck my friend. XD

[@LyricNear]

I thought I might find you here lol. Summoned from the depths by the mention of MCE

[@MassacresMansion]

@@LyricNear merely showing the box art is enough to summon me. 😂

[@jokerofspades-xt3bs]

Oh hey there. How you doing lol

[@MassacresMansion]

@@jokerofspades-xt3bs doing pretty good! Thanks for asking. 😎

[@maglev0789]

The MassacresMansion -> KamSandwich pipeline is real

[@yoshisreal]

If a Bible card game has no 'Genesis 38:9-10' card, then I'm not buying it.

[@limegreenelevator]

add Ezekiel 23:20 to that list

[@ReigoVassal]

What is that one about?

[@silentdrew7636]

And Judges 15:16

[@CatManThree]

​@@limegreenelevator Dammit you beat me to it

[@pastelgothine420]

That would be funny actually

[@NatorGreen7000]

Redemption has the prettiest card backs of any TCG. Someone finally figured out that making beautiful card backs from the first set is important. 😮

[@laurencefraser]

I'm not sure if 'finally' is the right word given that it came out only two years after Magic did, and there have been other games that managed it, even if it is less common than it should be.

[@doylerudolph7965]

@@laurencefraser Yep. Magic made the mistake of wanting to have different backs for different sets, which would have killed the game in 1994 as sleeves didn't really exist yet. They reversed course, of course, but Deckmaster is a relic of that idea.

[@gerglefinn8281]

Honestly the fact that Redemptions whole victory condition is to rescue Lost Souls automatically makes it the most Christian of these TCGs (Trading Christ Game).

[@gerglefinn8281]

Also as a Michigander Im now kinda pissed I missed the national.

[@bloom_the_artist]

And the victory condition of Faith battle is to reduce your opponents faith. Wait, aren't we supposed to be doing the opposite of that?

[@algotkristoffersson15]

*”The binding of Isaac: Four souls” wants to know your location*

[@rychat4687]

I SUMMON POT OF MYRRH!!!

[@041744]

What does it do!?

[@BudewFan_]

@@041744if you use it with block of gold and bottle of frankincense you can fusion summon Jesus

[@daffers2345]

When you're dead, it makes your body smell better. Add 3 to charisma. ;)

[@BudewFan_]

@@041744 if you summon gold and frankincense next to it you can special summon christ

[@magicalmysteryperson]

COMIC SANS RIGHT ON THE FRONT PAGE!

[@Super121830]

There is no salvation to be found here...

[@pillarnexustheancientgladiator]

I remember seeing Redemption get a mention on TVTropes but I didn't know much else about it. Surviving the early years of the trading card game rush and even continuing to now is honestly impressive.

[@laurencefraser]

I remember playing it a bit ages and ages ago (though I'm pretty sure it was a while after it first came out). It wasn't as good as the actually high quality cardgames around at the time when I ran into it, but it was substantially better than was common among any that didn't make it into that top band (it seems to have got a bit better over the years and those high quality games Mostly either died out or had their quality degrade since). And most of it's problems were the sort that could have been fixed by a revised and better written edition of the rule book and/or a revision of how they wrote the cards (sort of like how magic has done a few times over the course of its history) to be easier to understand without actually changing what the cards Do (or even actually rendering the old version unusable).

[@davyespectador]

12:10 The fact that the designers of Faith Battle deliberately made so cards can't be reduced to 0 mana from the very start shows that they are truly wise and enlightened.

[@GeorgeStarkey_]

Thanks for the mention, didn’t foresee my find being shown in the video.

[@NatorGreen7000]

So glad they made pretty card backs instead of just corporate logos on generic monocolor backgrounds for redemption.

[@entothechesnautknight1762]

I have some unfortunate news; the food-feeding mechanic is also from magic the gathering. Its called "Upkeep". And its usually disliked, so having an entire game based around yhe mechanic certainly sounds fun! The abusive relationship between you and your beasts, where you can use them for combat and for food at the same time, is also taken from magic the gathering. Not even the sins are original in this game. Also fun fact: Faith Battle is not protected by Copyright because of the extreme use of AI art. YOU could start selling Faith battle right now, and there is nothing any Brazilians can do about it. And on Redemption; framing Judas with the tree he hung himself on behind him goes so hard. But TBH i might have to go with the Frog Demons for my favorite card, they're so silly and also eat angels, i love them.

[@doylerudolph7965]

It's very funny that "upkeep" stuck around as the name for the step, but actual upkeep *costs* are super rare outside of some very powerful Cumulative Upkeep cards or a hatebear like Kataki, War's Wage. These days, upkeep is the step where you get to do all your cool fun once-per-turn value shenanigans! Also, "intercept" is the word used for blocking in the starter set Portal. I'd imagine that's what it means here too!

[@dragonick2947]

I'm totally on board with sticking it to stingy artist-resenting card creators, but couldn't the overall design or trade marks/trade dress be copyrighted? One might have to change their homework a bit if they want to do a little copying.

[@entothechesnautknight1762]

​@@dragonick2947@dragonick2947 Actually, no, at least not in US copyright law, because a large percentage of the game is the Art, and that art is AI generated. There was an AI generated comic that was denied copyright protection because the art was AI generated, and even though there were significant parts that were not AI, because the AI aspects were such a fundamental and major aspect of the comic, the whole comic was denied copyright, even the parts made by humans. Now, they *could* have copyrighted the mechanics beforehand and then slapped the AI art on top of it later, but... I have a sneaking suspicion they did not, primarily because it seems this game was created *before* AI generated content was declared un-copyright-able. Now, this *is* only in US copyright law, but US copyright law is basically the world standard, and in the few places it isnt, copyright law is actually significantly weaker. So yeah; this game, at least outside of Brazil because I admittedly don't know much about Brazil copyright law, is uncopyrighted.

[@dragonick2947]

@@entothechesnautknight1762 Thanks! That's actually really interesting, I never knew that. This is a pretty clever scheme!

[@halowaffle25]

You'd think a bible-based card game would be a terrible cynical cash grab (As Bible Battles seems to be) But I actually have quite a lot of respect for Redemption TCG. It's not perfect, but for having come out when it did, it's a miracle it played as well as it did - Not even MTG can boast having everything figured out right out of the gate. Happy to hear it's still seeing print, too!

[@Plantrum]

Sharktale reference less than 30 seconds in? This is going to be a banger

[@nerdcoregaming6468]

Redemption still running is insane to me and I guess I gotta play it now.

[@ADudeWithAChannel]

I play Jesus in Attack position! You just activated my trap card! *CRUCIFIXION!*

[@pepperonipizza8200]

You fool! I have 70 resurrection miracles!

[@mrziiz6893]

I summon JUDAS, BETRAYER WARRIOR OF ROME!!!

[@DiamondKingStudios]

@@mrziiz6893summon tree branch

[@StarkMaximum]

"You think you have me in a bind, don't you! Well, you've forgotten Jesus' special ability! In three turns, he will rise again to my side of the field!"

[@ADudeWithAChannel]

@@StarkMaximum not with my ATHEIST CARD!

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

As Ecclesiastes almost tells us, there is a time to draw cards and a time to discard cards.

[@NatorGreen7000]

Redemption is certainly the most well known Bible based TCG and any video about Bible bases TCGs has to have it. For some reason people assume it's out of print but no, it's still in print and has an active player base.

[@laurencefraser]

My experience is that it's always been a bit hard to find and anywhere that does have it always looks like they're trying to get rid of the last of their stock of something no one really wanted. Combine that with the fact that it's been around a Very long time, and that it tended to pop up in Christian shops rather than Game shops, when it showed up at all, and that makes a degree of sense.

[@coolbrotherf127]

I not only played Redemption as a kid, I owned the PC game called Victory At Hebron based on a modified version of the game. As far as niche card games go, it's actually competently designed from a mechanics perspective. There are still even official church leagues and a website with leaderboards and decklists. It's quite the rabbit hole.

[@rupertBluza]

Bible Battles actually looks pretty cool to me, although not because of the Bible theme. I just find the idea of a card game set in the bronze age to be really cool.

[@jamesjjameson1632]

For a while, I've wanted WotC to make another historical set like Portal Three Kingdoms. The Bronze Age would be a great time period for a set like that

[@PyroDve]

as a brazilian a bible releted TCG with ai "art" is about as brazilian as you can get for the genre

[@jonahscheie3547]

I met the Redemption guys at a homeschool conference back in the 2000s. They were extremely friendly and helpful, and they taught me the game and even played a few rounds with me. I kinda want to pick the game up again now that I know they're still around.

[@alicelirette4380]

My eyes bugged out when you said that the last game is still thriving. It's the most 90s looking "failed after one expansion set" looking cards I've ever seen. Goddamn.

[@beanofknowledge2125]

Never thought I'd be this hyped about Bible-Themed Trading Card Games

[@Adam-xd9tr]

I might check out Redemption. I really like the idea of the goal being to save people's souls, Saul turning into Paul honestly sold me on the card, and financially it doesn't seem to be as difficult to get into as some other long-running card games.

[@Wyldfyre.84]

In case you missed it, there's a Redemption board game, as well. Redemption: The City of Bondage. It's sort of a Christian dungeon crawler.

[@guymarkman5468]

I never knew about about Redemption, it actually sounds amazing. Sadly I won't have the time and moeny for it myself, but if they have starter decks with only Old Testament content I'll definitely recommend it to parents at my Synagogue

[@FaithBattleCardgame]

Cool! Nice man! Thank you for the feedback, our game was launched in March and in this short period we already have more than 3000 players, today we launched the crowdfunding,from the second collection, genesis! We have a project to launch the game in English and Spanish next year, who knows, maybe we'll see you there! Tanks! Peace and Bless!

[@kamsandwich]

@FaithBattleCardgame Holy cow I did not expect to see the official channel show up here. Excited to see future updates!

[@FaithBattleCardgame]

@@kamsandwich Several supporters of our game follow your work, and some of them are here in the comments, they gave us their feedback and here we are, now we are your followers too, may you continue exploring independent games, success! \o\o/o/

[@samhenderson1699]

That one bible battles mechanic is just magic cumulative upkeep

[@heroesofthescape]

I still have my old Redemption cards and even the deck I would run. Had a blast playing it with my friends 20 years ago. Although it had the worst case of power creep I have ever seen in a game. It also quickly got imbalanced as you always applied the effects of cards as written on the card so erratas were not backwards applied. The original printing of Gabriel could get rid of any enhancement while later printings only got rid of evil one.

[@Wumbo_the_Mumbo]

It's in a much better place now. The older cards have been rotated out

[@gotgunpowder]

Damn the whole time you were showing the Faith Battle cards I was like "hm, this feels like ai art" and then you pointed it out lol. Actually looks pretty good for AI art though.

[@LukieLuke5]

No it doesn't.

[@jokerofspades-xt3bs]

@@LukieLuke5 Some of the cards do go pretty hard. But some are pretty bad to.

[@xibalbalon8668]

The game apparently did pretty well, hopefully if they ever update it they can afford someone to replace the AI art that didn't work out

[@eduardoabarca6021]

Wow! Joseph of Arimathea! 26 conversions in A.D. 46.

[@comradesomo]

Whoa! A Methuselah rookie card!

[@asgarzigel]

I love how jacked the characters are in Faith Battles. Moses parted the red sea by fucking punching it.

[@Squang.]

I thought at first I had Bible Battles 15+ years ago, but when i saw the Redemption cards I knew I had that one. The art is too memorable.

[@MrMatthias]

Nice to hear that there actually exists a _good_ game based off the Bible for a change.

[@Telomerase9]

The absolute whiplash of hearing the card "Slavery" and then just passing by is peak

[@hilario7709]

2:49 ive been informed that this is a Magic: The Gathering mechanic called cumulative upkeep

[@algotkristoffersson15]

No it’s just an upkeep cost, it doesn’t seem to increase each turn.

[@tzeneth]

Seeing Redemption is a blast from the past. My brother was into CCGs and I know we somehow ended up with some of those cards. I was too young to remember much now but I do remember some of the cards.

[@theunwelcome]

Ned Flanders would be absolutely enthralled

[@xibalbalon8668]

A Methuselah rookie card!

[@atrendlecalledreese443]

I'm not religious at all, and I don't collect cards, but Redemption actually sounds kinda fun. Shotgun-subtle Christian theming aside, I wouldn't necessarily decline if a friend tried to get me to play it - or at least something like it. (Also it's kinda funny how half the cards you showed for Bible Battles don't have Bible verses attached, even though that was something the game was supposed to emphasize.)

[@Masupups]

I joined a gaming group in my teens at some church a few towns over. I generally played video games but some board games that felt fun. I was gifted a bunch of *Redemption* cards before I really understood how a good card game worked (played Pokemon/Yu-Gi-Oh in 2000's wrong). I enjoyed playing Redemption when I did and Son of God was a staple for me. I now play Magic with a Black-White-Green deck. Enjoy a traditional game once in a while, you'll be surprised. 😎

[@pepperonipizza8200]

God when he watches me ramp to Red Sea Parting before his third plague

[@wombatgirl997]

This must be a surprisingly popular genre. There was another one of these called Timestream that I played back when I was a kid. It had a science fiction theme on top of its Bible theme. Unfortunately I no longer own it, but I seem to recall it actually had some pretty cool mechanics. The idea was that you were time traveling to certain key points in history and trying to influence them for your side, so imagine a card game that had multiple "battlefields" you could move your cards back and forth between, and once you achieved a victory condition on one battlefield that locked your opponent out of that one for the rest of the game. Or something like that, its been a while.

[@jekanyika]

5:09 "Techno-crazed teens"

[@GilroyIronheart]

“We’re giving our son a biblical name.” “That’s sweet. Isaiah? Ezekiel?” “BEES”

[@fdkugb]

"If you deplete your opponent's faith, you win" is true for Faith Battle, but also perfectly describes working in a labor union.

[@nickgr8artist]

Great video! I love obscure historical references in games, and this was a gold mine. It made me wonder if you'd ever reviewed the TCG "Anachronism", which was made by the History channel. If you're unfamiliar, it was a really neat take on TCGs that didn't depend on acquiring a bunch of rare cards to succeed; you played a whole game with only 5 cards per player, and non-promo cards all had the same rarity (they were also all holo-foil). They weren't sold in randomized boosters, but instead in themed packs that would include a warrior and four cards specific to them. Just a fantastic execution of a great concept.

[@KamenRiderPhoenix]

That was probably the fastest I've ever liked a video unless it was a creator I already watch. Funny ASF opener I genuinely laughed out loud in my car with no one else around

[@Skiriwowi]

15:00 ATEM, LET MY PEOPLE GO

[@thatguyfromak5190]

It's nice to see a piece of Christian media that's trying to spread its message through a new trend but actually does an amazing job at following and even establishing genre rules. As you said, those don't come around too often.

[@TimothyWheeler88]

Use to collect Redemption because it was the only TCG my grandparents, who raised me, were willing to get for me. My favorite ones were the ones like 'Angel of the Lord', with artwork looking like it belonged on the cover of a 90's comic book.

[@TopsideCrisis346]

So, full disclosure - I was actually one of the early adopters of Redemption. Suffice to say, after I met the Man Jesus for myself, I quickly learned that MtG was frowned upon in my church, and promptly gave my entire stash to my bro (lucky sunuva...). Looking to scratch the pack-cracking itch in an "approved" manner, I got into Redemption, and quickly discovered that I was not the only member of my church playing it - albeit on the sly (pastor still wasn't having it with ANY gaming). Eventually, I inherited a friend's entire stash of Redemption cards, which I still have to this day. All that said, it's been a while since I've dusted them off to play a game, since there seems to be no one playing it on this side of the Cascades. Did I mention Seattle is SUPER-WOKE!? Now you know. In the years since, I have returned to MtG, for numerous reasons - one of those being, ironically enough, my faith. Noticed there weren't a lot of churches, let alone individual Christians, even trying to reach out to the geek community, and as one who identifies with that community, I figured this was a problem worth solving. Since returning to the game, I've found an incredible group of like-minded individuals - who all seem to live out of state. Seriously, you Midwesterners have it GOOD. It should be noted here that what you've managed to cover is a mere sampling of the attempts by well-meaning, God-fearing folks to break into the TCG space. I used to work at one of those Bible book stores, and I can point you to at least one other example of a "Christian" TCG - if I can find the cards I still have. They're around here somewhere, but I know this one NEVER caught on. Even I've never played it. I'll check back when and if I find it.

[@wakkaseta8351]

Wait, you're complaining about Seattle being superwoke, yet you still play mtg, which has become superwoke?

[@hawkecrail5186]

No he's saying there's no one in Seattle who should even thing of playing a Bible tcg

[@franslair2199]

​@@hawkecrail5186so "woke" means "person with taste". But yeah, we already knew that.

[@TheFlame_Hawk]

​@@wakkaseta8351man, it's a F-ing card game, nobody cares that much

[@hawkecrail5186]

@@franslair2199 That's being pretty reductive. The video itself and many others in the comments all share the opinion that at least redemption looks particularly good.

[@origaminosferatu3357]

I thought Bible Battles looked good until I saw redemption that looks actually fun to play. MUST get some for my Party Box mashup of 100 games.

[@renownerd.276]

This just unlocked a sealed away memory. My old neighbors had these cards.

[@JacklynnInChina]

Growing up in a radical Christian household I ended up with a whole lot of the old pop-culture-replacement-therapy, and Redemption was far and away the best thing that came out of that - greatest preachy Christian content ever made. The only issue was that even at church all the other kids were just playing magic the gathering so I only was ever able to play it with my dad, and he wasn't really into the whole "being a parent" thing.

[@DreadPyriteBob]

Bro I remember this game! There were cards in it in the “settlers of Canaan” board game, a Catan ripoff that was unique enough to keep it interesting

[@FhillipeepillihF]

I have 40 FAITH BATTLE decks and it's awesome. And a expansion Will come this year

[@rustinashackleford1367]

what a great arc to have as my intro to the channel

[@giussius]

''SLAVERY``I wasn't expecting that much elf awareness from Christians, incredible card

[@W1reh3ad_411]

Massacre's mansion is going to love the next video

[@kotzpenner]

Was just thinking about how a Kam vid would hit the right spot on a lazy saturday, eating bacon & eggs

[@ThereIsAnExtension2UndoHandles]

The number of biblical tcgs out there is insane, i played one as a kid called Timestream that came in a metal tin, was hoping to see it in this video,

[@kzkultra8948]

8:40 I didn't know alpharad was in Bible Battles!

[@DelRio1991]

I wonder why Kam didn't talk about the Redemption board game, that incorporated the card game and was like an RPG. IIRC, you used heroes from the card game and went into a city to find lost souls, with random encounters with demons and shit. I'm really glad to hear that Redemption is still around. I grew up with a minister as a dad, so MGT was a nono in his house. Redemption was not only fun, but used artwork from Archangels (probably the best "christian" comic book I've ever read) and had a set that was a tie in for the angel wars animated series. I might even look into getting some new cards and looking for my old ones.

[@laurencefraser]

The thing that always baffled me is that Magic was one of many things that usually got banned on the basis of 'demons exist in it' . ... I'm sitting there going 'so... why aren't you banning the bible then?'. There was never any more reasonable justification than that and trying to get one, no matter how polite or reasonably presented the request, would result in enraged shouting rather than any actual explaination. Well, that or 'it has the word 'magic' in the name'. One of many things where there were legitimately understandable reasons why one might not want one's kids to interact with something (honestly, in the case of magic, it's mostly some of the card art not being ideal for younger audiences), or which one could present for why something was incorrect or undesirable behaviour, but the people objecting to it would always go for the most nonsensical non-answer justifications, and then completely lose their mind when anyone pointed out the Massive Flaws in their reasoning, and really just ended up undermining the positions of those who Did try to present sound and reasonable arguments that actually made sense.

[@etiketi]

Been enjoying these videos lately after a friend told me about the first tournament for the worst game and I gotta say I love your delivery and humor when it comes to these things. Oh, and if you're ever looking for suggestions on a "worst game ever", my most hated is the game President; which I argue to be so heavily luck-based and unbalanced that can then just kick sand in your eyes whenever it feels like it. It's the card game equivalent of stabbing your gums with a pen.

[@m.fraguelaxd2546]

2:45 that IS an unkeyworded magic the gathering mechanic, the closest keyword version of that is cumulative upkeep but the "pay some cost to keep the card around" stuff is pretty characteristic of specially early magic

[@honoratagold]

Showed up for the hot deets on Bible Battles. Stayed for the Ted DiBiase - Judas joke.

[@Jakepearl13]

“Pack your suitcases and ready yourself mentally,We’re going to Brazil!” NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[@maglev0789]

I cant really think of a better place to say this so ill just say it here, a video about fictional card/board games (Card Wars from Adventure Time and Dodj or Darr from The Amazing World of Gumball come to mind) could be a really fun time

[@MaxShouldier]

I remember korean TCG 암송왕(king of the words) sold back in like 2010-ish For anyone who want to know more details, here's the explanation. It's more focused on teaching bible verses, but it was sold as TCG with "Old testament", "New testament" starter packs and booster packs. And later turned into board game version in 2012 because booster packs had rare pulls and korean christians said "that is gambling and gamba is bad" There are 125 verse cards, 3 long verse cards(Ten Commandments, Lord’s Prayer, Apostles’ Creed), 4 jesus cards and 10 power plus cards. Each verse cards has a verse to recite, "recite power", "verse power", "belief power", level, etc. The longer verse is, the higher "recite power" is. I can't find official rules for this game, but there are some recordings in namu.wiki/w/암송왕 (which is like korean wikipedia for subcultures). - Each players play a card and player who played a verse card with lower level goes first. - They first must SHOUT "암송왕 (am-song-wang) to begin.(this part was added after board game version was released, and no, you can't just say "i'll start" or something. only 암송왕) - Then both player memorize and recite their verse without looking or reading it. - If you recite it wrong even a single letter or word, you lose the round. - If both player succeed, the card with higher "recite power" wins the round. - However, they can counter by playing jesus or power plus cards, reading their verse(you dont need to memorize them), and do what the card does. (like add/reduce 500 recite power of card or something) - The game ends after certain rounds. Player adds recite power of cards they won, and player with more "recite power" wins. Board game version is basically same concept except it's more like candy land but instead of dice, you draw 5 cards from deck, play a verse cards, and recite the verse. If you succeed, you move more spaces than when you fail it. I remember some booster packs was actually sold at local church and christian shop in 2010-ish, marketing as "Bible version of 유희왕(Yu-Gi-Oh)". Later in it became a certain meme in korean message board. Why? because balance was bad. If you play jesus cards, you can just read your verse card and it adds 300 recite power. But there is a power card "A Lentil Soup(팥죽)" which when played if your verse's recite power is lower then opponents, you instantly wins the round. Hence, "A soup of lentil is mightier than The Jesus" was a small meme in some korean card gaming message board.

[@mariosin3256]

I love Bible Battles raaaaaa

[@marabasilone3642]

You have to admit the frog on the Frog Demons card with the jester's outfit on is the coolest fucking thing ever

[@DiamondKingStudios]

I’m not too surprised by the inclusion of Romans in _Bible Battles._ While normally associated with the New Testament, the scope of the Old Testament, being an account of things before Christ, could in effect stretch to nearly the end of the BC range. Pompey conquered the region in 63 BC, which is when Roman occupation began. Octavian, who is shown on one card face, was born in 63 BC and became emperor in 27 BC. Additionally, if we set aside any secular historical accounts, the already existing presence of Roman authorities at the beginning of the New Testament suggests a prior arrival, which would put it in the Old.

[@martinibockinstile]

I didn't laugh out loud, but that fuckin' yugi grunting and slamming his fists down was hilarious. I'm stealing that.

[@tipulsar85]

Well Kam, the food mechanic in Bible Battles can be found in a different game called Legend of the Burning Sands by AEG, where it is called "water".

[@Quincy_Morris]

Didn’t know Redemption was still big. Was somewhat into it as a kid. Still have my cards somewhere.

[@charliep7112]

16:45 - I can't believe the funny laywer man made it into a bible card game.

[@AF_Productions]

Redemption marks the second instance in my life where I can possesss myself a Mary of Bethany card, so I'm sold.

[@CarburetorThompson]

I won’t even touch a card game these days that doesn’t have Urban Guerrilla Warfare

[@SoulSukkur]

18:15 cool, their new starter set is themed around isreal i wonder why!!

[@bobgoo1441]

Because Isreal is to the Bible what America is to Hollywood?

[@anjoliebarrios8906]

oh no

[@tavitafish]

Calling it "Israels Inheritance" definitely feels a little yikes

[@junelawson5719]

The redemption art is pretty cool.

[@AlexDayz]

Massacre's Mansion better make a cameo in that Monopoly Cheaters Edition video

[@migueloff15]

10:35 im brazilian and im dont even know that this thing existed untill now alas catarina did a amazing working finding this

[@drenkrod9811]

The existence of these games implies that someone, at some point, actually did tap Mary.

[@DASBIGUN]

"I PLAY Jessus of Nezeroth....IN DEFENSE MODE"

[@shadowking2926]

2:40 I am sorry to inform you that this a magic term known as "upkeep". Not to be confused with the turn phase known as upkeep (where upkeep the mechanic comes into play).