Should Christians Believe in the Pre-tribulational Rapture Theory?

The pre-tribulational rapture theory, popularized by John Nelson Darby in the nineteenth century, contends that God has two distinct people and two distinct plans for their two distinct destinies. The church will be raptured-what David Jeremiah dubs “the Great Disappearance-seven years prior to the second coming of Christ, and Jews will suffer tribulation. Hank Hanegraaff, the host of the 𝘉𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘈𝘯𝘴𝘸𝘦𝘳 𝘔𝘢𝘯 broadcast and the 𝘏𝘢𝘯𝘬 𝘜𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘶𝘨𝘨𝘦𝘥 podcast, explains that beginning with Darby, rapture theorists hold that, due to the murder of Messiah, Jews were in for a time of unprecedented suffering referred to as the “Great Tribulation.” The late Tim LaHaye, co-author of the Left Behind series, described the coming Jewish holocaust as “Antichrist’s ‘final solution’ to the Jewish problem.’” According to LaHaye, “the mind-boggling terror and turmoil of the Tribulation” will be a nightmarish reality far exceeding “even the Holocaust of Adolf Hitler in the twentieth century.” These ideas have been firmly planted in the minds of millions today through Dr. Jeremiah’s global ministry-but Christians everywhere must critically assess these claims with the following question-is the pre-tribulational rapture theory biblical?
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[@BibleAnswerMan]

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[@sombra6153]

I’ve begun to wonder if Christian Zionism and dispensationalism hasn’t contributed to modern times antisemitism - at least given fuel or justification to the hate or caused Christians to stay on the sidelines of horrific events that have occurred in the 20th and 21st centuries because they believe it’s prophesy being fulfilled. Thank you for continuing to speak boldly about these less-than-Biblical side tracks! Lord Jesus continue to bless you and yours.

[@Tina-zh2xb]

I believe this as well. There's much truth in what you say. Read the history of the Schofield Bible. Lord, help us 🙏🏻 🌎

[@helmutlunstedt1176]

@@Tina-zh2xb yes, through this story of Scottfield, this doctrine became and got the the missions which were attendant by the Baptist Church in the USA and became a doctrine for most of the church... Change the purpose of the Church on this earth...

[@BibleAnswerMan]

Thanks for the encouragement.

[@theSeedisChrist]

@@Tina-zh2xb Unfortunately, most professing to believe in dispensationalism are not even aware of Darby or that Scofield guy . . . . a family member refuses to hear anything of such history. 😕

[@seanc2788]

The Antisemitism is coming from those who are part of the Beast's kingdom.

[@MarkHoward211]

The resurrection is not a "theory".

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@stringingyoualong can you elaborate?

[@MarkHoward211]

@@BibleAnswerMan "Should Christians Believe in the Pre-tribulational Rapture Theory?" The five 'raptures' mentioned in scripture are resurrections. The resurrection is one of the main foundational doctrines in the Christian religion. It is not a "theory". The first of the five in the resurrection of the righteous has already taken place (Mt. 27:52-53; Eph. 4:8-9).

[@jacklink3239]

This man is a deceiver, period.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@jacklink3239 Why say that?

[@corymccutchan5098]

For the Purpose of making merchandise of people, the Dragon will cause a flood out of his mouth to go after the woman. Many will play "pin the tail on the Donkey" with scripture to take them away from the simplicity of the Gospel. It is the Blood of Christ that redeems us back to our Father in Heaven.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@corymccutchan5098 Appreciate the input.

[@davekpghpa]

If God wanted the end time prophecies in his Word very simple to understand, he would have made it so. I try my best not to be too dogmatic on eschatology. But, from my reading of Matthew 24, 1 and 2 Thessalonians and Revelation (not just cherry picking a verse here and there), I have come to lean strongly to the idea that the Church (and possibly myself included) will be here during the tribulation. I also believe that we, who are truly born again, are NOT appointed to suffer the wrath of God. I do not believe that the 70 weeks of Daniel (the 7 year period of Great Tribulation) is all to be considered the wrath of God any more than I consider the persecution of the Apostles, not to mention the millions of other Christians who have died for their faith, to have been subject to the wrath of God. My uncertainty remains with whether when we're gathered in the air as to whether we will remain removed from the earth or if we might be sealed with protection during the period of the wrath of God. In any case, I am doing my best to spread the good news of the Gospel message and to continue to grow in my walk and faith, always keeping in mind what we've been taught from Ephesians 6:10-20 as we are suited up and prepared for the possibility of the battle to come against the deceptions and temptations from THE antichrist.

[@davidlafleche1142]

No, we won't.

[@tammymullins1151]

Thanks for speaking truth to these false teachings.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

You are welcome.

[@terrybernardo7121]

It's NOT a Theory. It s what the Bible says.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@terrybernardo7121 where does the Bible say that?

[@brianswanson5527]

Time to vote? I vote for no pretrib rapture. Without the Scofield Reference Bible the scripture plainly talks about one gathering. The separation of the goats and sheep at the End. Just one separation.

[@jerryking1375]

Here's a thought: don't concern yourself with the rapture, pre-, post- , etc. It doesn't matter. This topic is something you cannot do anything about. Instead, concern yourself with obedience to the words of Jesus. Focus on becoming a better person.

[@Amick44]

If you have heard Steve Gregg, he makes this point when asked. And it's good one!

[@Subdood04]

No. Your obedience does not save you. Christ does. And it does matter, but is not a primary issue. However, not understanding justification and law gospel distinctions are primary matters.

[@jerryking1375]

@@Subdood04 I agree. Obedience does not save. But neither does knowledge about the rapture. While obedience does not save, we are nevertheless told to be obedient.

[@bugsocsollie1694]

What does matter is the confusion that comes from not rightly dividing the Word of Truth. By mixing Israel's doctrine with the doctrine for the Body of Christ Church, and mixing Israel's Gospel with Paul's Gospel of Grace, will render another Gospel that can not save anyone. Every Denomination out there is doing just that: taking bits and pieces of Israel's doctrine and applying it to the Body of Christ Church. Total and complete confusion. Israel will not get raptured before their 70th week of their prophecy begins. Only Paul teaches of the pretrib rapture, and it's only for the Body of Christ Church.

[@MarkCurtis-eh3ue]

I think the scriptures were written to God's people Israel indeed but the mystery of God also was to extend this to the gentiles. The simple gospel message is that Salvation is found in Christ alone by faith not by works (as Christ fulfilled the Jewish law)....for both Jew and Gentile alike. They are NOT separate "gospels" Paul was the apostle chosen to take this message to the gentiles. The "church" is made up of believes in him from ALL nations! Old testament (Christ concealed) new testament (Christ revealed) all nations grafted into Israels promises for those who believe on his name. Jews had the law, after Christs ascension and pentacost God's mystery is revealed! Ephesians chapter 2 and 3 will explain this to you. Revalation will pertain to the church as well because we are one body and we do need to rightfully divide the word of Truth...misinformation about rapture can be disasterous when everything is pertaining to a rapture message that you do not know for a fact will happen pre trib. The Jews who do not believe in the gospel message, will in Jacobs trouble! As this period of time is for this promise to be fulfilled and God will do just that! One resurrection/ one rapture at his parousia which according to Revalation will happen at the tearing of the 6th seal and this will happen for both Jew and Gentile believers! Matthew 24:20-31 our conversation before you were frustrated because you thought I didn't understand you, but I do and it's because you are pre trib so you think the church will be raptured and God will turn to the Jews and then they get saved..I believe the same thing although the church will be here because there is one rapture for all together AFTER a ressurection occurs first as Paul taught in 1 Thess. 4: 16 first, then 4:17 after...and it's for ALL believers and there is only one of this type event. It can't happen pre trib and again at the 6th seal. So we need to figure this out I would say! Again, I apologize for your frustrations with me before but again, I can tell you are passionate for Christ and this is what matters as we can disagree but be mature about a debate on rapture timing...in the end, we won't care because we will be with him! Much love brother and marantha

[@andrettanylund830]

Does John McAurthur belong in pre trib and Zionism

[@djnv4702]

Yes I believe he does.

[@goldpop5001]

When I was a young man we had a visiting preacher preach an entire sermon on the rapture. The title of his message? "The Great Snatch" Imagine how hard it was for us boys to keep a straight face......

[@BibleAnswerMan]

Funny 🤪

[@EJ_Lion]

Darby sure has created a mess.

[@Geocosmology]

Rapture is a lie Jesus is coming back with wrath 🔥🔥and no one gets left behind 🙏

[@BibleAnswerMan]

Thanks for sharing. Does not the pretribulation rapture story misconstrue the point behind Matthew 24:40?

[@LonLo-fi7wc]

So sad you guys don't understand the Bible , so much you do not know and you cannot understand what you do not know You don't know what you do not know

[@gregm6894]

God know what His plans are for the future prior to Christ's return -- we do not know all the details, obviously. That said, this video completely ignores the entire Book of Revelation. Most biblical scholars place the writing of Revelation some time after the destruction of the temple in 70AD. In Revelation 4:1 after Jesus' warning to the 7 Churches, God calls John to the Throne Room in Heaven and says: “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” So the rest of Revelation relates to future events -- interpreting it any other way ignores what the verses clearly say. It cannot be reasonably argued that the Seal, Trumpet, and Bowl Judgements have ever been experienced in the past -- so they are future to us now at this point in history. And it is equally illogical to argue that all these judgements are simply allegorical. Also, It seems clear that after the Seal Judgements, the Sealing of the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel, and the Great Multitude in white robes in Chapter 7, there are no Christians left on the earth during the Trumpet Judgements. For example, in Chapter 8 after the 4th Trumpet Judgement, an angel calls out: “Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!” The repetition of "Woe" three times signifies extreme suffering to come upon the earth's inhabitants. Then immediately following in Chapter 9, during the 5th Trumpet Judgement when the Abyss is opened to release the 'demon locusts', the command is given them: "They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them." I personally do not believe that Jesus will put His Church through that kind of torment! But, if one wants to think that believers were still on the earth to suffer this horror, Chapter 9:20-21 makes the situation crystal clear: "The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood-idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts." If one wants to believe that all of Revelation is simply some sort of symbolic narrative, then you are opening Scripture to unrestricted personal interpretation that completely ignores the context. It means that Scripture simply does not mean what it clearly says, and that undercuts the foundation for the Bible's authority and significance. John had a definite purpose in writing the Book of Revelation, and I don't believe it was simply to terrify non-believers into accepting Christ -- although it ought to. That purpose is clearly stated in the first two verses of Chapter 1: "The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw-that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ." I think that is pretty clear, and I am disappointed that Hank Hanegraaff (and other commenters here) completely ignores all this that God included in the very last book of Sacred Scripture.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@gregm6894 Have you considered the reasons for an early date of Revelation? See www.equip.org/bible_answers/was-revelation-written-before-or-after-the-destruction-of-the-temple-in-ad-70-/ How would you respond to those who teach Revelation is late, either AD 90, AD 120 or later, and posit that is the reason John never wrote the book? How would you respond to those who say Revelation is dated late and errors on the time of the Second Coming since the happenings were to soon take place?

[@gregm6894]

@@BibleAnswerMan In regard to why John did not mention the destruction of the Temple in Revelation, I simply rely on logic. Revelation was written to communicate exactly what the Lord wanted John to reveal to the 7 Churches, and to "show His servants what must soon come to pass". If this message was given to John prior to the Temple destruction, and was prophesying what would soon come to pass, then most certainly it would include the destruction of the Temple as a future event. Revelation reveals the future desecration of the Temple, but does not say the Temple will be destroyed. As to answering the objection that Revelation is about things that are "soon to take place", I would refer anyone to 2 Peter 3:8-9: "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." As far as authorship of Revelation, there is ample early church support for John being the author.

[@stevelenores5637]

Thank you for your efforts. However with most Protestants believing in the rapture and the 2 covenants this heresy won't be easy to extinguish.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

You are welcome!!!

[@SpotterVideo]

What does an understanding of the New Covenant do to the Pretrib Rapture doctrine? Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end seven years before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. "It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view." (The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) Tim LaHaye was co-author of the “Left Behind” books and movies which have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Church age ends seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Recently, Pastor Matt Furse of Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, S.D. has written a book titled “Which One Is Right?’, which reveals the recent history of the pretrib rapture doctrine, and the fact it does not agree with what is written in the King James Bible. The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected. The Greek words for “wrath” and “tribulation” are not the same word, as proven by the verse below. Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Watch the KZbin video “Pretribulation Paradox” by former pretrib believer skydiver626.

[@robinbanion3772]

Amen!!! I get so disappointed when my past pastor and other church members tell me that " We have to just agree to disagree" and then laugh at me when I share that the doctrine of the Rapture is not Biblical.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

Thanks for sharing.

[@djnv4702]

Yes one fatal flaw leads to many other nonsensical conclusions. The Church is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant. We are Israel. If one misses that understanding, one has to do a lot of scriptural patchwork to try to make it fit-and it never does. 😞

[@SpotterVideo]

@@djnv4702 The Christians in Gaza have been through "tribulation" during the last few months. This is something most preachers in the U.S. are ignoring. Go to Gaza City and spend some time with Christian Brothers and Sisters in Christ, if you want to understand what it means to be threatened. Why were two unarmed Christian women shot by Israeli snipers while going to the toilet at their church in Gaza? Why were Christians killed while they were taking shelter at their 800-year-old church in Gaza City, when an IDF bomb hit beside their church? How many of their homes have been turned to rubble? How would you feel if armed drones were constantly flying overhead, while you are without food? Why was Palestinian-American journalist Shireen Abu-Akieh shot by the IDF before October 7th? These people were not killed by Hamas. Why have these people been ignored by most Christians in the U.S. ? Are the Christians being killed in Gaza “Semites”? Read Matthew 25:31-46.

[@bugsocsollie1694]

Obviously you have little understanding of Israel's new covenant, which is why you don't see the pretrib rapture of the Body of Christ Church. You're applying Israel's doctrine to the Body = Total and complete confusion. Israel will not be getting raptured before their 70th week of their prophecy begins. Only Paul teaches a pretrib rapture and it's only for the Body of Christ Church, it's not for Israel.

[@tunglam8210]

John Macarthur scrutinised the charismatic movement for its false teaching , but on the other hand, he is firmly entrenched in Dispensationalism of which is a product of the 2nd Great Awakening = a charismatic revivalist movement of the 1830s! Darby and Schofield were essentially charismatic revivalists. Go figure ??

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@tunglam8210 Very shrewd observation.

[@RobertGareau-z2b]

MacArthur preaches the false teaching of Calvinism

[@gareth645]

One day it will all be clear

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@gareth645 Why is it not clear from the Scriptures?

[@Amick44]

​@@BibleAnswerManperhaps too many of us (myself included) are listening to too many particular pastors.

[@helmutlunstedt1176]

Hank thank you for your comments, I found them extremely correct, the way the Church should have been taught, and for this error doctrine has lost their eternal purpose and delay God's plan

[@BibleAnswerMan]

You are welcome!!!

[@seanc2788]

The reason why the church has lost it's teaching is because the Jewish people were originally supposed to be the ones who shared the gospel to all nations. But they rejected Christ when he came the first time. So now we are stuck with Gentiles trying to interpret the Old Testament and what the Day of the Lord really means.

[@bugsocsollie1694]

​@seanc2788 The Jews are only blinded during this Dispensation of Grace for the Gentiles is over. Romans 11:25, We see in Revelation 7 with the 144,000 Jews, they will again be doing what the original Apostles were sent to do before Israel fell and diminished, and salvation came to the Gentiles through Paul's Dispensation of Grace. Once this Dispensation is over, then God will call out to Israel again. And when Israel starts preaching Jesus Christ, the whole world will take notice, a great multitude of them.

[@seanc2788]

@@bugsocsollie1694 That is correct. One of the things God will accomplish during the Tribulation is to raise up 144k Jews for evangelism. They will bring the gospel to all the world, just as the scriptures have laid out. It was God's original purpose. This is why my comment about them rejecting the gospel message originally (not individuals, but the nation rejecting) has put the church in a major state of confusion about the rapture and the end times. We think it's all about us, but has you mentioned in Romans 11:25-27 the Fullness of the Gentiles which began at Pentecost, will end with the rapture. The Time of the Gentiles will not end until the Tribulation is over, because Israel will be oppressed by one more Gentile Kingdom (there were 6 before the final one which is to come). God will use the final Gentile Kingdom to bring Israel to its knees. Zechariah 12:10-14 will eventually be fulfilled along with Matthew 23:39 and then Christ will return (with those who were raptured before the Tribulation, and with those who were killed for Christ during the Tribulation).

[@helmutlunstedt1176]

@@bugsocsollie1694 I don't belief that there will be a separate time for jews, thsy already rejected Christ and they are been evengelized as all the gentiles, as we were, there are several beliefs for these days which we are living, let's wait a few more to see what happens.. I like the teaching of apostol Sam Soleyn, for these days and position for the reign of Christ in which we are already in..

[@MrClearimagemike]

Shame on you Hank. This podcast is filled with deception and half truths. Specifically, you grossly misrepresent the specifics of Dr Jeremiah and Tim Lahay's views. My only question is why?

[@olivialouise3148]

I believed that stuff for so long it just made me miserable. It’s so liberating to understand the truth now.

[@DuaneWiseChristian]

Jesus will come back to this earth in glorified physical form just as he ascended back to Heaven from the Mount of Olives.

[@TheKachkovsky]

Thanks for video! I have one question, how we can interpret apostle Paul words about Gentiles and Jews like two different men in the book of Ephesians and other epistles? Does it mean that gentiles and Jewish people who believed in Christ are one church now and there will be no separation anymore? Thank you! God bless you!

[@Tina-zh2xb]

Yes, we're all one in Christ! Everyone, everywhere, which includes the Jewish people of course, now have the opportunity to repent, trust and believe❣🙏🏻

[@gregm6894]

Yes, but the Nation of Israel is still in God's plan. Remember that the Abrahamic Covenant was an eternal, everlasting, unilateral and unconditional covenant. In terms of salvation, there is one Church, and Paul declared that "all Israel will be saved", meaning a final remnant that will come to faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior. But also remember that in Chapter 21 of Revelation, the "Bride, the wife of the Lamb" which is the New Jerusalem includes 12 Gates representing the twelve Tribes of Israel, and twelve foundations representing the twelve Apostles of the Lamb.

[@bugsocsollie1694]

In this Dispensation of Grace and only for the Body of Christ Church, there is no distinction made between Jew and Gentile. Before this Dispensation began with Paul, there was that distinction being made (go not by way of the Gentiles, Acts 2:14, 2:22, 2:36, 3:12). After this Dispensation of Grace is over, that distinction will be made again (See Revelation 7 with the 144,000 who are distinctively Jews). God is not dealing with Israel today according to their prophecy and their doctrine. He is building the Body of Christ Church.

[@carlgreen4985]

Thanks Hank, how sad our 21st century church has lost the history of our brother and sisters persecution during the 1630 yrs of papal and jesuit rule after AD 70. Thank you Napoleon and Martin Luther.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@carlgreen4985 Good point. Never confound the great tribulation in the Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24) with the on going persecution that Christians face because of the solidarity with the Christ whom antichrist persecuted (Jn. 15:18-25; 1 J. 2:18-25). Multitudes of Christians today living outside the United States suffer sever persecution and the possibility of martyrdom. Check out this episode of Hank Unplugged... kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3LSloyqp82Vla8

[@eagletalons5333]

@@BibleAnswerMan As far as this Pre -Tribulation Rapture stuff goes, in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 it says the (16)'dead in Christ shall rise first and (17) those which are still alive will be caught up together. Well if (Pre-Trib) happen then how could there still be people who Believe in Christ still walking around if they left (Rapture) seven years earlier.? Hope you understand the question.

[@seanc2788]

Adam lost three things when he fell from grace: 1) his spiritual life. That was lost instantly when he disobeyed God. 2) his physical life. That happened 930 years later. 3) his dominion over the earth. That happened as man populated the planet and Satan led people away from the Genesis story. Christ, the second Adam, will redeem all three of those things. 1) Your spiritual life. That was redeemed at the cross of Calvary. 2) Your physical life. That will be redeemed at the rapture (1 Thess 4-16-17 & 1 Cor 15:52). 3) Man's dominion over the earth. That process begins at the Tribulation. It will be completed when Christ sets up his throne in Jerusalem.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

Thanks for the thought!

[@StrummaChick]

“And here is the patience of the saints here are those that keep the commands of God and have the testimony of Yeshua the Messiah.” Revelation 14:12 “At the Last trumpet, the dead in Messiah shall rise and those who remain will meet Him in the air” John 15 says we are grafted into the Vine that already exists. “Those who endure to the end shall be saved” I used to believe in the rapture as a kid I had more anxiety about the rapture as a kid than I do than I do knowing I’ll go thru the tribulation as an adult That should speak volumes.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@2or3ministry48 - Thanks for sharing. 🙏

[@Kman.]

I know where Hank stands...unless he's changed his position since posting this like his *DRAMATIC* change to align with Eastern Orthodoxy. There's no sense in listening to the *21 minute* upload. He's highly intelligent, & I've enjoyed watching/listening to his debates, but there's nothing new with his arguments. He began this video upload by stating s/thing IN-correct. Yes Hank, there *IS* a clear distinction between the church & Israel. Israel is a *NATION,* and the CHURCH is a *PEOPLE.* Granted, the church is composed of both Gentile & Jew, but until/unless you keep them S E P A R A T E, your theology will remain skewed. Nowhere in the bible are Gentiles spoken of as _"ISRAELITES",_ and we're never spoken of as ISRAEL. Replacement theology is heretical @ its very core. *1* Gentiles sojourned with the Jews, but they're spoken of as "STRANGERS"... =====> *Lev 17:2,3,5,7* "..the children of ISRAEL...house of ISRAEL...children of ISRAEL..", and then in *VS 8* it reads, "And thou shalt say unto them, Whatsoever man there be of the house of ISRAEL, or the *STRANGERS* which sojourn among you..." *2* Gentiles can convert, but they're spoken of as PROSELYTES & never a Jew... =====> *Acts 2:10* "...Jews and PROSELYTES,” *Rom 9:3,4* clearly marks just who Israel is, for it was ISRAEL who was given the law, NOT the church; "For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the GIVING OF THE LAW..." Paul goes on to tell us in *VS 8* that it is THEM that are the "children of the promise" (yes...the church was already in progress @ the time he penned those words), we see that Paul didn't point to the CHURCH as being the children of promise. But all throughout the book of *Acts* we can see the mention & _DISTINCTION_ between the two groups...they were BOTH existent; "Israel" is used *20x,* and the church can be found mentioned a total of *19x.* All the best to you in your search for truth, *MARANATHA!*

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@Kman This is not about Eastern Orthodoxy. The sharp distinction between Israel and the Church, the sine qua non of dispensationalism, but this belief is novel, tracing back to the 19th century. See www.equip.org/bible_answers/does-the-bible-make-a-distinction-between-israel-and-the-church-2/

[@JustFishin777]

Thanks again, Hank. Excellent teaching. It boggles my mind that there are so many highly educated theologians, pastors, and Bible teachers who teach most Bible topics correctly until it comes to end-time prophecy. Are they spiritually blinded, or are they just trying to sell ear-tickling information? I think it must be both. What they are doing is leading people away from the True Word by confusing the Word with secular and extra-curricular teaching. More and more Christians are now believing that there are inconsistencies in the Bible; therefore, they are believing anything they want to believe about what the Bible says. A few weeks ago, a guy came up to me and said, "People can make the Bible say anything they want it to say." I said, "No, they can't. The Bible says what it says." He gave me a strange look and walked away. Maybe he was testing me to see if I was weak in the Word.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@JustFishin777 Blessings to you! 🙏

[@zekesinkhorn5851]

"Rapture" is taught throughout the entire Bible. After watching Arnold Murray's heretical teaching on "God's overall plan", he said, don't say it has anything to do with a stupid feast. Thats all I needed to hear to know this man is a blasphemous heretic. God appointed the feasts as holy convocations, so Murray essentially is calling God stupid. The irony is the feasts ARE God's overall plan. Jesus fulfilled Passover as the sacrificial Lamb. Unleavened Bread as His sinless body. First Fruits as His resurrected body. Pentecost with giving His Holy Spirit. And He is yet to fulfill the Fall Feasts (physically) as He did the spring feasts. Trumpets will be the rapture of the church, the Marriage Supper. Day of Atonement will be His judgment seat. And Tabernacles is eternity in heaven. Thats God's overall plan. To understand this, one must understand a Jewish wedding ceremony in Jesus' day. The bridegroom was betrothed to his bride. He then goes to build a house for her while she wears her wedding attire, never taking it off because she must be ready for the bridegroom to take her away when she knows not. He continues building the house until his father tells him it's complete. Go get your bride. Just wrap your minds around this. Its very clear and simple actually.

[@MarkHoward211]

Even God the Father spends eternity on earth after the millennium (Rev. 21:2-3, 22-23). There is no "eternity in heaven" anywhere in scripture. The Lamb's bride/wife is clearly stated in Rev. 21:9-10, and it is not the church. Resurrected saints do not marry (Mt. 20:33).

[@zekesinkhorn5851]

@@MarkHoward211 Thanks Mark for your perspective. There is a coming "new heaven and a new earth" which is where all believers will abide with God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. However, how can the Lamb be married to a city? Revelation 21:9,10 does say the Lamb's bride is that great city, holy Jerusalem, but how can it be considered His bride? It is His bride because of those who will be abiding in it. Verse 24 says, "And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it..." And the light is the glory of God and the Lamb is the light, verse 23. So this is saying the Lamb's Bride is the new Jerusalem, a city of the saved. The eternal heaven I mentioned is a metaphor, or parable, Jesus illustrates as a king who made a marriage feast for his son in Matthew chapter 22. BTW, your YT handle is a curious one. Care to elaborate?

[@MarkHoward211]

@@zekesinkhorn5851 All redeemed will live in the city, but only the city is called His bride and wife. It's symbolic. I am a tennis player, coach, teacher and racquet stringer. That is the meaning of my handle.

[@zekesinkhorn5851]

@@MarkHoward211 I think we're saying the same thing. It's all about context. Just like asking about your handle. Clever BTW. The way it looks on the surface can be misinterpreted but actually means something deeper by describing who you are and what you do. That's not a jab but saying how it relates to our understanding and interpreting the scriptures. I'm preaching to myself as well. What you said is thought provoking and caused me to search the scriptures, which you obviously do. I believe we will both come to understand these things properly..

[@MarkHoward211]

@@zekesinkhorn5851 I meant to thank you about asking the meaning of my name. Most people automatically assume there is some sinister connotation behind it. God bless your studies!

[@QKVCS]

WHICH TRUMPET 1 THESS 4 ? "THE LAST TRUMPET" 1 Cor 15 , "AFTER THE TRIBULATION" MATT 24

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@QKVCS None. Hard to see the teaching that God will remove the Church from the Earth prior to the still yet future seven year great tribulation. Right?

[@QKVCS]

@@BibleAnswerMan In the world we will have Tribulation. What some call the rapture is in fact the First Ressurection / Ressurrction at the Last Day/ Ressurection of the Just in Biblical Terminology. It is at the Last day (John 6:40 / Revelation 10:6) , "AT THE LAST TRUMP" 1 Corinthians 15:52 / Revelation 11,:15-18 and "AT HIS COMING" - 1 Corinthians 15. and that day does not come untill the antichrist and the abomination of desolation (2Thess 2) which starts the Tribulation Matthew 24. The WRATH OF GOD IS THE VIALS of Revelatuon 15 NOT the Trumpets.We are not appointed to Wrath. We will have WAR with AntiChrist (Revelation 13) DEUS VULT ( Genesis 3:15) VICTORY FOREVER IN JESUS THE KING OF GLORY WHO BROKE HELLS GATES !

[@LonLo-fi7wc]

you are gonna be surprised , you don't understand what is going to happen both good and bad

[@QKVCS]

@@LonLo-fi7wceggs plain pull ease

[@1Whipperin]

According to full preterism, which asserts that all biblical prophecies, including those concerning the end times and the return of Christ, were fulfilled by AD 70 with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, we are currently living in the post-AD 70 era. Full preterists believe that the events described in the New Testament, such as the return of Christ, the resurrection, and the final judgment, took place spiritually and symbolically in connection with the events of AD 70. In the full preterist understanding, the "end times" were realized in the first century, inaugurating a new era where the kingdom of God is spiritually present and accessible to believers. According to this perspective, the promises of the New Testament were fulfilled within the historical context of the first century, and believers now experience the fullness of God's kingdom spiritually. It's important to acknowledge that full preterism represents a distinct theological viewpoint within Christian thought, and adherents to this perspective interpret biblical prophecy and eschatology through a unique lens that emphasizes the fulfillment of these events in the past, rather than anticipating future physical manifestations associated with the end times.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

There is no second appearance of Christ to judge the living and the dead? No resurrection to everlasting life? Are there not problems with full preterism?

[@MarkCurtis-eh3ue]

I definitely do not know about the return of Christ thing spiritually and I almost sounds like Jehovah's witnesses.... I believe Jesus made it clear.... As the lightning comes from the east, and flashes even to the west, so shall the coming of the son of man be! Even Revelation chapter 6:12 (after those days of anguish) when the sun doesn't give its light and the moon and the earthquakes etc.... which is also described in Matthew 24: 29-31..... Even the unbelievers will see him because they are going to be trying to hide in the caves and they say who will save us from the wrath of the lamb.... I do think some events from the olivet discourse were a partial fulfillment...... But also the rest is to come! Jesus was talking about the destruction of a temple.... What's happened in 70 AD as we know..... And we know there's going to be a rebuilding of the temple and the Antichrist will sit up on the throne himself as that was always Satan's desire was to throne himself! He will have three and a half years that he can do this until the real Messiah dethrones him! Now this is how I understand eschatology in a nutshell! I definitely love to hear all the other perspectives, but as a post Tribber, former pre-tribber...... I am never closed off to all the other views because we can learn something from them all.... The bottom line in all of this though is Jesus has continuously warned us to be ready just as he did the apostles because he foretold their deaths (except for John) So he warning about the persecution and tribulation to come for them and he also warned us that we will go through tribulation and in the final 70th week of tribulation he wants us to stand firm in the faith! Jesus said he told us ahead of time so that this day will not overtake us like a thief! Maranatha to all my brethren and continue to preach the gospel message!

[@1Whipperin]

@@BibleAnswerMan In response to these questions from a full preterist perspective, the belief is that the second appearance of Christ and the resurrection to everlasting life have already occurred spiritually. Full preterists interpret passages such as Matthew 24:30-31 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 as referring to events that took place in the first century, particularly in the context of the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. According to full preterism, the language of Christ's coming in judgment and the resurrection is symbolic and fulfilled in a spiritual sense. The "coming of the Son of Man" is seen as a reference to Christ's judgment on Israel and the establishment of his kingdom in the spiritual realm, rather than a literal physical return. Similarly, the resurrection is understood as a spiritual awakening to new life in Christ rather than a physical resurrection of corpses. The death that Adam experienced on the day he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was a spiritual death rather than a physical one. Adam's disobedience in the Garden of Eden resulted in immediate spiritual consequences-a separation from God and a loss of spiritual life. This spiritual death affected Adam and his descendants, leading to a state of spiritual bondage and alienation from God. The concept of resurrection is also in a spiritual sense. The resurrection is seen as a restoration of spiritual life and communion with God, rather than a physical raising of corpses from the grave. This spiritual resurrection is understood to have taken place at Christ's coming in judgment in AD 70, which is seen as the culmination of biblical prophecy and the establishment of God's kingdom. From a full preterist viewpoint, Adam's death and the concept of resurrection are understood within the framework of spiritual realities rather than physical events. The death brought about by sin is seen as a spiritual separation from God, and the resurrection is viewed as a restoration of spiritual life and fellowship with God through Christ's work in the first century.

[@normmcinnis4102]

THis guy is so contradictory. Oy vey

[@ohgin12345]

Actually I know that the rapture is true when men like him attack it so hard

[@ohgin12345]

He cannot even state the verse that states his "ideas". It's a disgrace

[@ohgin12345]

Test

[@dalesmyrnios5365]

This guy needs to read Revelation chapter 19 verses 1 to 14. He will see John telling us how it's going to be. From hearing so many people praising and worshipping Jesus in Heaven that they sound like Thunderings and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb taking place in Heaven. He's told BLESSED are the ones called to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb and it says His wife (the Church ) has made herself ready and she is given fine linen Clean and White for this is the Righteousness of the Saints. And after this takes place John sees Heaven open and Jesus sitting on the white Horse ready to come to earth to judge and make war. The second coming. And we the Saints follow Him back. Sounds like there's a pre trib rapture to me.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@dalesmyrnios5365 were do you get the pretribulation rapture from Revelation 19:1-14?

[@MarkHoward211]

His wife, the holy city, new Jerusalem (Rev. 21:9-10). The church is NEVER referred to by feminine pronouns. Paul called the church a "man" (Eph. 2:15; 4:13) and "he" (2 Thess. 2:7).

[@LateToTheGame27]

A lot of bloviating! A lot of selling your magazine. A lot of bashing of Darby and others. Very little Bible teaching! Maybe you should change your name to the Bloviating Answer Man!

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@LateToTheGame27 Why the bloviating accusation? Cannot there be passion in presenting a position?

[@LateToTheGame27]

@@BibleAnswerMan... Oh, it is good to be passionate about the topic. The bloviating comes from saying a lot but not saying anything to move the discussion forward. You were far more detailed in your bashing of Darby than you were in your commentary on what the Bible has to say regarding your position on the pre-trib rapture. I would think a Bible teacher would place far more weight on what the Bible says than on the life of a saint long since called home to Heaven. Is it telling you are more concerned about the bloviating remark than you are about the lack of Bible teaching remark? If I were a Bible teacher and someone accused me of a lack of teaching the Bible, I would be concerned. That is like going to the doctor and talking about real estate instead of medical and health issues!

[@waynepelling5568]

Thanks Hank . I support the existence of the State of Israel ,daily praying for the Peace of Jerusalem, the conversion of the Jewish and Arabic peoples , and the protection of my Christian brethren , Arab or Jewish and Iranian , who live in the Middle East .

[@AtomicGarden68]

Big-time trap set up by the enemy setting up the the great falling away 😥

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@AtomicGarden68 Can you expound on that point?

[@AtomicGarden68]

@@BibleAnswerMan I may be wrong on this maybe you could help me out on this but I looked at it like this. That millions of Christians that totally believe in the rapture, when this doesn't happen to them that they would cast aside their faith and think that they have been living a lie because they put so much faith in the rapture and when they see themselves here having to go through the tribulation and all the other things that they could lose their faith. That's what I mean by that. If I'm wrong please help me out I would not want to be mistaken.

[@davekpghpa]

@@AtomicGarden68 The equally disturbing scenario for those who are absolutely dogmatic in their pre-trib idea is that when faced with the obvious signs that we're in the Great Tribulation, their pride kicks in and they refuse to accept the advice from their fellow Christians to recognize the facts. Then a great many of them fall for the Great Deceptions from THE antichrist.

[@carriefoscatodesign]

@@AtomicGarden68I think the same thing. A whole bunch of people are going to in for a big unpleasant surprise.

[@gregm6894]

I believe the Rapture is real, not sure that it is pre-tribulation, but for sure by mid-tribulation (read Revelation 9 carefully). However, my faith is in Jesus Christ and His atonement for my sin -- not whether I'm right about the Rapture. I personally believe that the 'great apostasy' will be brought about by deception related to UFO/UAP/Alien apparitions, which is simply a demonic visitation -- but all that is personal conjecture -- not scripture based belief.

[@zerosparky9510]

thanks for posting. God Bless

[@BibleAnswerMan]

You're welcome 👍

[@bigtobacco1098]

Nobody did until the 1800's 😮

[@Amick44]

I have heard that, too. What changed?

[@DuaneWiseChristian]

Hank have you thought about or considered debating Dr. Jeremiah? I know I would love to see it and hear it. He has a lot of influence in the Evangelical world. I sure hope you can do it sometime. I think he probably fears hearing the real truth about the so-called secret rapture that has been totally misunderstood and taught to millions as the truth of Gods word. I have been saved since 1975, 49 yrs now since that time and I have heard the rapture doctrine since then and even believed and taught it myself in error. God bless you for all your wisdom and understanding and how to rightly divide the word of truth. ✝️🙏

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@DuaneWiseChristianC Appreciate the suggestion. Never known Dr. Jeremiah doing formal debates on theology. He appears to be more a senior pastor in an evangelical church rather than say a debater, theologian, or apologist who regulars academic debates. Hank rarely enters in public debates.

[@Kman.]

_...he probably fears hearing the real truth..."_ *SMH* Get over it guy.

[@bugsocsollie1694]

So you left sound Biblical doctrine??? 2 Timothy 4:3-4 It is just as Paul said it would be.

[@carriefoscatodesign]

The first time he destroyed the earth Noah and his family were set apart and protected. Definitely not comfortable, but shielded during a time of wrath. Same for the Israelites in Egypt after the 3rd plague.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@carriefoscato Appreciate the insight.

[@BrandonGray]

As you well know, Cain that brother of Abel is none other than Israel and that Abel is none other than Jesus. And it is Abel's blood that is a soothing aroma to our God in which the blood of Abel soaked in the earth cleanses mankind as the blood of Jesus, however, the blood of Jesus with greater sanctifying power, because Abel is just a type. But it is Abel's brother who is appointed after him, who is the resurrected Abel, that is Seth. From Seth loins then comes his son Enosh in which men begin to seek the Lord. Why? Because through the death of Abel and the resurrected Abel through Seth, after, comes the Spirit of truth in which the line of Seth becomes the Sons of God. As you well know, it is Enoch who is pleasing to God, who in the 7th generation is raptured because he walked with God. For It is written somewhere, I will dwell in them and walk among them and I will be there God and they my people. For seven is the completion of all things whereby those who have the eternal Spirit are removed from the flood to come. And it is in the 8th generation, Methuselah, the bringer of the flood, in which mankind is destroyed and a small posterity is left. It is the start of a new beginning.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@BrandonGray Do not see the Cain father of Israel connection. Why is that the case?

[@BrandonGray]

@@BibleAnswerMan Cain is the brother of Abel. Cain is the first and Abel the second. Cain killed Abel as Israel killed Jesus. Israel according to flesh killed Jesus(Israel) according to the Spirit. Hagar's children are at war with Sarah's children. Cain(Israel) kills Abel(Jesus). There is nothing new under the sun.

[@BrandonGray]

@@BibleAnswerMan so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Mat 23:36 "Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

[@BrandonGray]

@@BibleAnswerMan Jhn 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

[@BrandonGray]

@@BibleAnswerMan Cain the murderer of his brother Abel is a foreshadowing of Jesus being killed by the Jews.

[@mutantthegreat7963]

Did I understand correctly, that there will be no 7 year future tribulation?

[@davekpghpa]

I'm wondering the same thing.

[@CTChipmunk]

that is correct. the tribulation of Matt 24 is describing what happened leading up to 70AD, when over one million Christ-rejecting Jews were slaughtered by the Romans, who also completely tore down the temple so that not one stone remained atop another, just as Jesus had prophesied. it's fulfilled. also, futurizing the 7 year period is from misunderstanding Daniel 9: 24-27, as all 70 weeks (490 years) came and went consecutively. however, all of the different rapture theories CLAIM that God hit the pause button between the 69th and 70th week. they claim the 70th week hasn't happened yet, but the problem is, nowhere in Daniel does it say or imply that. what we're waiting for is the resurrection. paul had to go to rome to stand trial. why? his belief in the resurrection is what riled up the Jews and got him sent to rome. the blessed hope is the resurrection. i read the kjv cover to cover looking for all this rapture nonsense and couldn't find it because it's not there.

[@davekpghpa]

@@CTChipmunk But with regards to the final week, no ruler after the cutting off of the Messiah has made a 7 year covenant with the many, no ruler has entered into the the temple to commit an abomination after Antiochus Epiphanes as predicted in Daniel 11, there has never been 10 kings ruling a world empire led by an evil king as prophesied in Daniel 7, no ruler has made war with the Saints in a limited 3 and a half period as foretold in Daniel 7 and 12 and the Temple is yet to be rebuilt since 70 AD where the antichrist will be revealed and will end the animal sacrifices.(but those who say they are Jews but are not are working toward the building of the temple as we speak)

[@CTChipmunk]

@@davekpghpa Daniel's 70th week already happened. the temple that was destroyed in 70AD was the rebuilt temple. the bible doesn't mention a 3rd temple being rebuilt, and as Hank mentioned, if the Jews were to rebuild the temple, it would be an abomination, because Jesus is now our living temple. animal sacrifice for atonement was done away with. also, there is no "antichrist" to be revealed. an antichrist (1 John 2) is anyone that denies Jesus is the Son because if you deny the Son, the Father will deny you. you can't go to the Father and not Jesus, because they're both God. you don't get one w/out the other. John said there were "many" antichrists alive in his day, just as there are today. there's no boogie man called "the antichrist" in the bible.

[@seanc2788]

It starts in 2026 and ends with the second coming in 2033.

[@rohanarlidge235]

Messiah is in the air, now. Meet him there, escort him home. This insight is 'rapture', lightening, eureka. Now is the Kingdom of God. Messiah is King. Get in.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@rohanarlidge235 Do you believe Christ will appear again to judge the living and the dead?

[@rohanarlidge235]

@@BibleAnswerMan How does Messiah appear? On the clouds of heaven. In the air. Messiah is here, he's in the air, spiritual eyes can see. We are all judged by our response to the Kingdom of God. Will we accept the Kingdom, in spirit and truth, or cling to the religions of mankind, all of which are idolatry? We have to change, be 'born again', "the Kingdom of God is within you".

[@beverlyjdesigns1410]

Thank You Hank!❤

[@StudioHighway]

The Old Testament might give us a clue as to the subject of the pre-tribulation rapture. In Leviticus chapter 23 three harvest moments are mentioned, in conjunction with three pivotal feasts: Pesach (Eastern), Sebuoth (Pentacost) and Sukkoth (Tabernacles). (1) '...ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest (vs 10). (2) Ye shall bring out of your habitations two loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the Lord (Vs. 17. (3) Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land (which are the grapes from the vinyards). If these three harvests have a prophetical meaning, they would correspond with (1) the 144.000, (2) the believers who come out of the tribulation as victims and (3) judgement of the non-believers. If the Lord promises to the Church of Philadelphia that He would keep them from the hour of temptation which shall come upon all the world, it wouldn't be such a stretch to accept this as the pre-tribulation rapture of the Bride of Christ. The Pesach firstfruits are being handpicked individually, this might be an indication that this should be discerned from the general harvest in the weeks leading up to Sebuoth, which would be the slaughter of the Church under the Great Tribulation.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@StudioHighway Hard to see the connection between the OT feasts and the pretribulation rapture. Is there any clear passage that explicitly teaches the Church will be removed from the Earth prior to a still yet future Great Tribulation?

[@StudioHighway]

@@BibleAnswerMan It depends on what one may mean by a 'clear passage'. And the term 'explicitly' might cause some concerns regarding a spiritual exegesis of the narrative. A linear explanation may only be applied on historical issues. But there is more to it. The Old Testament prophecies and rituals can hardly be understood in their full specter and consequences without a proper key of understanding. In this regard it would be interesting to analyze the way the New Testament writers quote from the Torah, Prophets and Historic Writings (Tenach) to underline their new point of view, namely that the Law of Moses had been fulfilled by Jesus Christ. Paul clearly states: "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him. Neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"(1 Cor. 2:13, 14). Now, lets take a look at a rather controversial passage in Revelation 12:5 "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne". 'Caught up'; the Greek word is the same as Paul uses for the rapture: 'harpadzo'. Hereafter the believers the remnant of her (Israel's) seed, being the remaining believers not ready for take-off, are left behind to be persecuted by the drake, which could point at the Great Tribulation. Without going into details: The ascension of Christ was a fairly slow, gradual process, not a 'rapture'. This leaves us with the only option, that this 'manly child' must be the collective 'sons of God', belonging to the Body of Christ. The resurrection took place in the blink of an eye, even so shall the Universal Body of Christ undergo the same treatment. In a moment's notice the flesh shall be resurrected. Christ promises the Church of Thyatira: "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations. And he shall rule them with a rod of iron (Rev. 2:26,27). This underlines the notion, that Christ and his Church are to be considered a unified Body, of which He is the Head. I am aware that this explanation might raise more questions than can be answered on short notice, nonetheless I hope it may shed some light on this issue, which might trigger a deeper understanding of the Word.

[@aaronloomis8750]

Is dispensationalism taught in countries other then America?

[@seanc2788]

yes there are people all around the world that believe in a pre-trib rapture. Most of them never heard of Darby.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@aaronloomis8750 The doctrine is taught all over the world.

[@dancarpenter4360]

Yes God always took the righteous out before judgment

[@davidward5225]

Short answer, no

[@BibleAnswerMan]

Amen 👍

[@jacklink3239]

Why don't you back up your teaching with scripture? All you provide is your mouth.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@jacklink3239 Lets start with the lack of a verse that teaches God will remove the Church before the start of a still yet future Great Tribulation? Why is that missing? See www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/ www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ripened-fruit/

[@Geocosmology]

Rapture is a lie Jesus is coming with wrath 🔥 No one gets left behind

[@Frank-st6gd]

Proof of A Pre trib Rapture. Pay Attention to the Cloud and Clouds Jesus appears In and With. Act's chapter 1 verses 9 10 11 Cloud. In Red Luke chapter 21 verses 27 and 28 Jesus is coming In A Cloud the Rapture. In Revelation chapter 1 verse 7 Jesus is coming With the Clouds when he comes back to the Mt of Olive the second coming KJV.

[@BibleAnswerMan]

@Frank-st6gd Sorry none of those passages tell us that God will remove the Church from the Earth prior to the beginning of a still yet future Great Tribulation.

[@Frank-st6gd]

@@BibleAnswerMan Luke chapter 21 verses 27 and 28 Jesus is coming In A Cloud. That's the Rapture. But You decide. Have a blessed Day.

[@turnerarmstrong4282]

This is a reference to O.T. scriptures to convey that Jesus' judgement is upon them Isaiah 19:1,Psalm97:2-3,104:3,Zechariah 14:1 Matthew 24:1-35 is destruction of Jerusalem 36- chapter 25 is judgement day Revelation also used O.T. references to proclaim destruction of Rome mainly found in Daniel definitely not easy to understand but remember bible won't contradict itself so if their is something difficult and something straightforward study the difficult more and it will align itself with the easier of the two hope this helps God bless

[@dannywilliamson3340]

It's not a "theory." The Apostle John himself confirmed what the Apostle Paul had already taught the Thessalonians and the Corinthians. Go read Revelation more closely. John saw the glorified church in heaven before the start of Daniel's 70th week. He said, "And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold." (Rev. 4:4 KJV) How do we know who these 24 Elders are? They tell us themselves in Rev. 5:9-10...."And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." Note the collective pronouns, "us" and "we". There will be NO ONE in heaven singing of having been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb other than His church. And it's not until Chapter 6 that our Lord rises, takes the title deed to the earth, and begins to break the seals, ushering in the 7 years of Jacob's Trouble.

[@ryanbutela]

I don’t see how your argument conflicts with the Orthodox Church’s understanding of Christ’s return. The Church is united in both heaven and on Earth. Is what you just described not the Church Triumphant (those who have reposed in Christ throughout all ages until the end)?

[@corymccutchan5098]

Who was the Revelation of Jesus given to in your understanding?

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@@corymccutchan5098 My "understanding" has nothing to do with it. Revelation 1:1 confirms it. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John"

[@davidlewis2681]

AMEN!!!

[@dannywilliamson3340]

@@ryanbutela John was not looking at the "church triumphant," whatever that is. He saw the completed, resurrected, glorified church. Note that the 24 Elders are wearing white robes and crowns, which they were given at the Bema Seat Judgment, as described by Paul in 2 Cor. 5-10. Also, they sang of having been made kings and priests....past tense. They were already seated in the throne room of the universe when John arrived.

[@bossmann6358]

I used to listen to Hank on KWAVE, back when he knew what he was talking about. Very sad to see what he has become because he learned from one of, if not the best Bible teachers of our time.