Should Today's Christians Live by Israel's Laws? • Deuteronomy Ep. 5

What wisdom can Christians gain from the law? Join Tim and Jon as they continue their discussion on the theme of the law in the second movement of Deuteronomy.
In this episode, you'll learn ...
How to gain wisdom from the law
What happens when we live by the wisdom of the Torah
How studying the law challenges us to examine our own allegiances to other spiritual powers
How the apostles incorporated principles from the Torah into their governance of the first churches
How the law was intended to reshape how we see the world and live within it
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[@6969smurfy]

Today the Torah/Law is Having the Heart & how One shows LOVE and. Respect to the Father and Adopt into HIS family. Jer 31 31-33 for more on who we are suppose to be! Duet 30 10 if you obey the LORD your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Torah/Law and turn to the LORD your God with all your HEART and with all your soul. Proverbs 3 3 Let know loving commitment ant TRUTH forsake you-bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your HEART. Ezekiel 11 19-20 And I will give them one HEART, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the HEART of stone from their flesh and give them a HEART of flesh, that they may walk in "my statutes" and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God. Hebrews 10 16 This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my TORAH/ law in their HEARTS, and I will write them on their minds.” Jer 31 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my TORAH within them, and I will write it on their HEARTS. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people 2 cor 3 3 And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human HEARTS. 1 tim 1:5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure HEART, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, ~Now you.can understand~ Rev 12-17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” Rev 14 12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus Rev 22 14 Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the tree of life, and they shall enter into the city by the gates. ~ Isaiah 56 6-7 And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD to minister to him, to love the name of the LORD, and to be his servants, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to my covenant- these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

[@Leafrench1]

I would much rather see you two than a pulsating circle. Why can't you show a video of this discussion? I hate when y'all do this.

[@buckethead151]

Keep the Laws of God! The way Jesus taught us to! He said the greatest of commandments is to Love God and Love your Neighbor. How do we love God? The same way Jesus did! Keep the Commandments!

[@Sar_ahJ]

Amein, Amein!! Matthew 5:17-19 from the Messiah's own mouth.

[@joshkaye5303]

In actuality you will find the commandments of the NEW covenant in John 15:12 This is my commandment, that you love one another, even as I have loved you. 1st John 3:11: For this is the message which you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. 2nd John 5: not as though I wrote to you a new commandment, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

[@buckethead151]

@@joshkaye5303 Whats the Bible's definition of Love? I'll give you a hint... Jesus uses the Law Of Moses to show people how to Love others in the Sermon on the Mount. Without a clear deffinition... Love is too Vague to be a "New Covenant"

[@6969smurfy]

JI ta all an Heart Matter now, Jer 31 31-33 for more on who we are suppose to be! Duet 30 10 if you obey the LORD your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Torah/Law and turn to the LORD your God with all your HEART and with all your soul. Proverbs 3 3 Let know loving commitment ant TRUTH forsake you-bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your HEART. Ezekiel 11 19-20 And I will give them one HEART, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the HEART of stone from their flesh and give them a HEART of flesh, that they may walk in "my statutes" and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God. Hebrews 10 16 This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my TORAH/ law in their HEARTS, and I will write them on their minds.” Jer 31 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my TORAH within them, and I will write it on their HEARTS. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people 2 cor 3 3 And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human HEARTS. 1 tim 1:5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure HEART, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, ~Now you.can understand~ Rev 12-17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” Rev 14 12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus Rev 22 14 Blessed are those washing their robes, that their right will be to the tree of life, and they shall enter into the city by the gates. ~ Isaiah 56 6-7 And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD to minister to him, to love the name of the LORD, and to be his servants, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to my covenant- these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

[@bayoucountry3331]

Yahweh tells us how to love him and love one another, the answer is the Torah!!

[@larrybedouin2921]

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. {1 John 2:3} For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. {1 John 5:3} “If any man will do his will, [obedience] he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.” {John 7:17} “Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our *duty* to do.” {Luke 17:9-10} For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. (The perfect law of liberty.) So speak ye, and so do, *as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty* {James 2:11-12} Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole *duty* of man. {The Preacher 12:13}

[@nazareneoftheway3936]

I think most people also are sorely lacking in near eastern contextual information, like the fact laws were made and codified back then to keep order as the main goal, not to prevent every single minute evil that may occur, but to make sure it ultimately it didn't prosper in whatever situation it arose in, the purpose of the law wasn't to stop the opportunity of sin from presenting itself, but to conquer it when it appeared. Also, the law was written very likely in didactic format, not legalistic format, it is a "The morale of this law is what you should take away from this example", not "This is an end all be all example specifically in which you can only apply the morale quality within this as a law/what you ought to do." Jesus used this the same way, he wasn't legalistic like the Pharisees and Sadducees, he was didactic, unjust physical killing wasn't the only way to murder, hating someone else was ALSO a way to murder someone, because in order to hate (not dislike, but sheer HATRED) someone, you must wish to murder them in your heart first. The concept of not loving your neighbor was the transgression of the law of God, and the torah laws merely gave those peoples real world examples they saw on a regular basis that they could observe contextually in their environment and humans tend to do generally that show what that looks like. The letter of the law are examples of the law being transgressed or kept But the actual literal law of God itself is: "Love god and love your neighbor with your whole being" (paraphrasing) Every law is an example of one and/or both of these 2/1 law(s). the law of God is simple, however the examples in which it can be transgressed or kept are many Hence why if you understand to take the morale of the example for that situation or situations similar to it across times and cultures, which is not to be hateful to others in its many general forms it shows itself (the examples given in the OT), you can apply the law justly to whatever situation you find in yourself by searching if it follows the path of those examples and ultimately alligns with gods law (loving god and man completely).

[@nathanieldiaz2845]

Beautifully Said!!

[@Quintori]

This is such an excellent explanation of the purpose and nature of Yahweh's law. Thank you for sharing it with us!

[@proudpharisee5303]

so are those examples set in stone or maybe today they no longer apply? the Bible doesnt sound like it is examples that can fall off with time...

[@JustJulesAgain]

Matthew 22 (KJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ³⁷ Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. ³⁸ This is the first and great commandment. ³⁹ And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. ⁴⁰ On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

[@jeanavo3865]

You can't understand the bible unless you are truly born again ( holy spirit) when if you have a testimony of Jesus Christ only then will you understand the holy Bible because the Bible were written by people who have the inspiration (holy spirit) of God

[@miahquinones302]

I agree. Moses, David, and the prophets--along with the apostles--all had the Holy Spirit.

[@dlr6025]

The law now stands as a mirror for us and as the witness to our own inability to keep it except through the power of the new life given to a true born again believer in Jesus.

[@fromthewrath2come]

From Deuteronomy chap 12-18 to Matthew 5:29-30 we see the shift from shrines and temples to our bodies as temples. Jesus' call to bodily holiness of all people is a shift from holiness of the land of Israel.

[@MadebyKourmoulis]

I'm excited to watch these. I've been studying this a lot lately. Be nice to hear a different perspective. Whatever the message is, we should pay a lot closer attention to the law than most do.

[@Drizzy6ixx]

Hi good morning everyone i will just like to say. I hope all is well and have a great day please in Jesus name and love you all.

[@mokum4me_944]

The intention of any Law is to protect the innocent. John 4:24 -> God is a spirit. So in Romans 7:14 -> The Law is spiritual; Where in Matthew 5 (:17 -> I am not to come to destroy the law, but fulfill it) is Jesus describing the 7 spiritual intentions of the Law. You need to be filled with the Holy Spirit (receive a new heart), to be able to understand and comply to the law (see the parable of the 10 virgins).

[@olamideifarajimi3292]

Great video guys The law is despised nowadays even though it shouldn't be. We don't live under the law but God making the law wasn't a mistake. There is a wisdom to them and it nice to see it being explored.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

You are contradicting yourself. You say the law shouldn't be despised, then you say "we don't live under the law", then you say "God making the law was a mistake". When ppl say "we don't live under the law", they're saying God made a mistake in expecting ppl to live by it.

[@olamideifarajimi3292]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Ummm 🤔🤔 You misread I said God making the law WASN'T a mistake. God made the law for the Israelites specifically. Hence why I said we don't live under the law as gentiles (I'm assuming you're a gentile). But God making the law WASN'T a mistake. There is a wisdom in them that God intended for the nations to see and through that, come to know that the God of Israel was wise. Deuteronomy 4:6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.

[@robbracken1758]

If you don't live under God's Laws which are eternal (Psalm 19:9, 111:7-8, Matthew 5:18), then you are a liar (1 John 2:4-6). God said He would put His Laws on the hearts of those who love Him (Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10, 10:16). Ask yourself, how can one discern the 'lawless one' if there is no Law??

[@mchandler4722]

@@robbracken1758 No one said "there is no Law." We (in the New Covenant in Christ) are not under the Law. Paul the Apostle said it was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

[@robbracken1758]

@mchandler4722 You have no idea. Jeremiah and Hebrews alluded to God's Laws which are eternal, (Psalm 19:9, 111:7-8) as to be written on the heart (Jeremiah 31:33-34, Hebrews 10:16). This is far deeper than the mere words, but down to the thoughts thru the PRINCIPLES behind God's Laws. Jesus taught this as anger related to murder and adultery is to lust (The Beatitudes, Matthew 5-7, Luke 6). The ONLY Law we are NO longer under is the Law of Sacrificial Atonement (Hebrews 10, with important relevance to chapters 8 & 9). Matthew 5:17-19 tells us God's Laws will last as long as the earth and warns against ANY other teaching.

[@jesst7867]

I think that when they said to destroy any other religions, I think it means to destroy them with the Word of God.

[@jvo3777]

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." -John 14:6

[@RustyWalker]

No. Mixed fabrics are perfectly okay. Maybe the writer confused not mixing colours and whites in the washing machine?

[@benjaminvyverberg1487]

Mark 7: 6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 7 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’ 8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” 9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)- 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Deuteronomy 13:6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again. 12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[b] both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, 17 and none of the condemned things[c] are to be found in your hands. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you. He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestors- 18 because you obey the Lord your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.

[@theodorerooseveltcharlesto1555]

Jesus said He came not to do away with the Law but to fulfill it. Therefore we should obey the words of Jesus. Sin seperates us from God. Gal 5:19 if your living in sin you will not inherit the kingdom of God. Without repentance there can be no forgiveness. We are to become overcomers in Christ Jesus without Christ we can do nothing. He is the vine we are the branches. We must abide in Him. When we become born again we become a new creation we desire to serve God and do what is right in Gods eyes. When God puts His Spirit in us we become a law unto ourselves we want to obey. We fear God by respecting what God says we do not want to displease Him.

[@rebelresource]

All this antinomianism in the comments! Christian's can be SO anti-Jewish. Ironic lol

[@shepardabraham2574]

Yes and antinomianism is just also a repackaged version of Marcionism. To hate the Law is to the hate the God of that Law. They wont say it out loud but how they feel is 'God was evil to put us under the curse of the law.' They then separate in their minds an Old God that was unforgiving with the Law and a Newer One that is forgiving of all the Law.

[@rebelresource]

@@shepardabraham2574 100%. you hate the law then you hate the oral law of Jesus. Cannot have it both ways.

[@stevemiller8895]

TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK! A CATERPILLAR = JESUS ON THE CROSS =THE WRITTEN LAW ON PARCHMENT AND STONE IN THE COCOON = JESUS DEAD IN THE TOMB = THE WRITTEN LAW ON PARCHMENT AND STONE. DEAD AND INANIMATE INANIMATE ALL AWAITING THE RESURRECTION THE TRANSFORMATION INTO SOMETHING NEW! CATERPILLAR INTO BUTTERFLY JESUS DEAD INTO RESURRECTED BODY THE WRITTEN LAW ON PARCHMENT AND STONE INTO THE LAW WRITTEN ON HUMAN HEARTS BY THE SPIRIT REF. ROM. 8 LAW OF THE SPIRIT! CATERPILLAR= PRACTICING THE LAW AND COMMANDMENTS OUT OF STRIFE BC THEY ARE WRITTEN ON PARCHMENT AND STONE. BUTTERFLY= PRACTICING THE LAW AND COMMANDMENTS OUT OF LOVE BC They ARE WRITTEN UPON OUR HEARTS!

[@rebelresource]

@@stevemiller8895 dammmmm love it

[@stevemiller8895]

@@rebelresource 👍PTL!

[@stevemiller8895]

The 613 laws are categorized as such; THE MORAL LAW between God & man. THE CIVIL LAWS between man and man THE CEREMONIAL LAWS that apply to the priesthood and the Tabernacle.

[@shepardabraham2574]

The ones who came up with moral civil and ceremonial are antinomians and live in a heresy where the old laws are evil by an evil God because they love Marcion. The laws have already been categorized based on the names like Torah (5 books of law) or the Mosaic Laws or Abrahamic Laws use those. Also, Jesus said 'all the Laws hang' from two most important commandments. And 'not one jot or tittle' is to be removed or added. People calling the laws civil or ceremonial are attempted to make some laws lesser in weight than others, thus apply man-made jots and tittles to them. You only need to assign the least weight forgettable 'ceremonial law' category to the law you don't like, then ignore them. Which is exactly their attempt here.

[@stevemiller8895]

@@shepardabraham2574 Friend , describing what something is is not considered heresy, categories of things exist for a reason and no its not to justify ones not keeping of the law no, it is so that one can understand how the law applies, for example ceremonial laws exist for the literal tabernacle , and figuratively for the ministry of the tabernacle in my heart! So all of the law and commandments can be applied in some respect.if not literally and physically. Then psychologically and spiritually.

[@shepardabraham2574]

​@@stevemiller8895 Silver-tongue, as stated before, this is how the devil works, they first dehumanize a person to kill them. It goes like this, they alter the language. It is a fetus a blob of cells, therefor I will murder it but call it abortion, and since it is abortion it is not longer the murder of innocent life. In this same way, you do the same to the Law. Classifying some as important and others as forgettable and useless or worthless. Then when you do this, you then see that LGBTQ Christian churches spring up everywhere. Then you question why that is... Then the LGBTQ Priest tells you 'none of us follow the OT laws anyways' and waves his Rainbow flag. Well, they learned from your kind the Antinomians and Marcionites. *'26If anyone does not keep the law of your God* and the law of the king, let a strict judgment be executed against him, whether death, *banishment,* confiscation of property, or imprisonment.' Ezra 7:26 Silver-tongue, you banished yourself from calling any Christian a friend, when you became their enemy. You wear your Christianity like jewellery, adorning yourself to make yourself conceitedly haughty. There is no humbleness in your bones, for if they were, you would fear God and follow ALL his Law, not pick the jewellery you favour most and discard the rest. You are Lukewarm Vomit. You are neither Hot nor Cold for ALL the Law, you straddle the fence between, liking some, discarding others, ignoring the majority *by categorizing what you want to discard or ignore.* In such a way you demean, dishonour and disrespect the Law by calling parts of it derogatory names. This is all just an attempt on your part to change the language, thus change the perception, thus using an equivocation fallacy to change the ideology behind it.

[@proudpharisee5303]

who makes these categories and who gets to pick what gets thrown into the boxes? (sola scriptura answers only).

[@stevemiller8895]

@@proudpharisee5303 did you know that Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for being prideful stiff-necked and arrogant! I have already answered this question just look at the comment above yours. And it's not rocket science if you can't figure it out for yourself you have bigger problems and if you're just trying to cause trouble take it elsewhere.

[@PsalmsforShalom]

HalleluYah!! I pray you guys keep walking this path of the Truth!!

[@codyalexander3290]

Israel was to be a light to the nations… were they to see the light and return back to their darkness or cling to the light and love Gods ways?

[@stevemiller8895]

SHMITAH = 7TH YEAR OF SEVEN YEARS JUBILEE = END OF THE SEVEN WEEKS OF YEARS = END OF THE 49 YEARS = BEGINNING OF YEAR OF JUBILEE

[@FRN2013]

THANK YOU for rightly teaching that the OT laws have _principles_ that we can _learn from,_ rather than telling us to obey Moses. Sadly, just as the 1st century Church had Judaizers harassing churches, so we also have them nearly 2000 years later. For example, modern Judaizers demand that we observe the Jewish sabbath, despite these facts: 1) Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath-keeping was commanded from Adam to Moses-for thousands of years. 2) The Word of God makes it quite clear that Sabbath observance was a special sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16-17). In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12-14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15). God's intent for giving the Sabbath to Israel was not that they would remember creation, but that they would remember their Egyptian slavery and the Lord's deliverance. Note the requirements for Sabbath-keeping: A person placed under that Sabbath law could not leave his home on the Sabbath (Exodus 16:29), he could not build a fire (Exodus 35:3), and he could not cause anyone else to work (Deuteronomy 5:14). A person breaking the Sabbath law was to be put to death (Exodus 31:15; Numbers 15:32-35). 3) Whenever Christ appears in His resurrected form and the day is mentioned, it is always the first day of the week (Matthew 28:1, 9, 10; Mark 16:9; Luke 24:1, 13, 15; John 20:19, 26). 4) The only times the Sabbath is mentioned in Acts, the occasion is Jewish evangelism (Acts chapters 13-18). Paul wrote, “To the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews” (1 Corinthians 9:20). Paul did not go to the synagogue to fellowship with and edify the saints, but to convict and save the lost. After Paul states, “From now on I will go to the Gentiles” (Acts 18:6), the Sabbath is never again mentioned in Acts. 5) Instead of suggesting adherence to the Sabbath day, the remainder of the New Testament implies the opposite (including the only exception to point 4, above, found in Colossians 2:16 -- "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ." “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord” (Romans 14:5-6). “But now that you know God - or rather are known by God - how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years” (Galatians 4:9-10). 6) On the first day of creation week, God separated light from darkness. God does that still as we meet each first day of the week for worship. 7) The Holy Spirit was poured out on the Day of Pentecost, which always falls on Sunday. The Sabbath was given to Israel, not the church. The Sabbath is still Saturday, not Sunday, and has never been changed. But the Sabbath is part of the Old Testament Law, and Christians are free from the bondage of the Law (Galatians 4:1-26; Romans 6:14). Sabbath keeping is not required of the Christian-be it Saturday or Sunday. The first day of the week, Sunday, the Lord's Day (Revelation 1:10) celebrates the New Creation, with Christ as our resurrected Head. We are not obligated to follow the Mosaic Sabbath-resting, but are now free to follow the risen Christ-serving. The Apostle Paul said that each individual Christian should decide whether to observe a Sabbath rest, “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5). We are to worship God every day, not just on Saturday or Sunday.

[@christopherhorner9380]

I suppose you celebrate Christmas then since you have no regard for the commandments? If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15 Kinda simple but you seem to have a knack for explaining away the fourth commandment with fancy words.

[@FRN2013]

Of course a legalist like Christopher Horner would oppose celebrating the coming of the Lord to save the world!

[@FRN2013]

Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath-keeping was commanded from Adam to Moses-for thousands of years.

[@FRN2013]

Sabbath observance was a special sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16-17).

[@FRN2013]

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding Sabbath observance in verses 12-14, Moses gives the reason the Sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).

[@dallyquin]

Please can you make this downloadable? So I can listen while I commute

[@kkristinn8011]

It’s on Spotify 😊

[@stevemiller8895]

I don't know where you got that Canaan is to be the Garden of Eden , but once the 12 tribes came into the land it was called Israel, and that was according to the promise God gave to Abraham in Gen.15 I do know, however, that according to Jewish tradition that the holy of holies is considered the Garden of Eden.

[@mchristr]

It's always helpful for me to keep the overriding narrative theme in mind, that God is always redeeming and restoring. The nation of Israel, like the prototypical man and women, had been exiled from a place of Promise/Paradise. God is then bringing them back into that place through the leadership of a Joshua (Y'Shua in Hebrew, or Jesus in Anglicized Greek). Do all analogies eventually break down? Of course.

[@e7100j]

Bravo!!! Very excellent, eye-popping, biblical info presentation…❤️🙏👏👏👏🙏❤️

[@stevemiller8895]

Maybe it's the fifth time because all other times that you gave was out of strife and when you finally surrender and give out of abundance maybe then you will not be approached anymore because you passed the test!

[@jeanavo3865]

Jesus Christ never told His disciples to go to the end of the world and preach the scripture (Bible). He said to go and preach the gospel ( good news) the kingdom of heaven (kingdom of God) is at hand, this is really good news because you don't have to wait to die to witness heaven on earth (eternal life, life to come, rapture, paradise) where Jesus Christ is your King and your God because Jesus Christ and the Father is one same spirit So repent (ask God to have His will for your life) because he is your creator.

[@erikajames5439]

I know this is gonna be good!

[@fromthewrath2come]

Creating a contrast community to the world will require renewing our mind concerning values around personal property and money. "Be transformed by the renewing of your mind".

[@jeanavo3865]

The law and prophets were before Jesus Christ

[@joshuastephens6118]

Ok

[@stevemiller8895]

ASHERAH POLES = EGYPTIAN OBELISK

[@fullerlifeministryconsulta9126]

This teaching along with all the other teachings of the Bible Project has reshaped my understanding of the Bible. It now makes sense to me after 50 years. It is ashamed that people have come against them and labeled them as socialist and heretics. It is more than disconcerting I think it is slanderous

[@Sarutaru06]

I don't have to watch this to know your opinions on the subject because when discussing punishment for stealing on an older episode you animated someone being put behind bars. You can't even accurately reflect biblical law when you're talking about it in the context of biblical law.

[@stevemiller8895]

What about Jesus Turning the tables at the temple?

[@jeanavo3865]

Jesus Christ 2new and greatest commandments are one is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind and all your strength, second is to love your neighbors as yourself; these two commandments hang the law and prophets Jesus Christ said.

[@codyalexander3290]

I’m confused

[@RadAshkenazi613plusSonofMan]

The Law Code actually forbids religion...especially Christianity. Religion plays favorites...ADONAI doesn't play favorites.

[@jeanavo3865]

Jesus Christ also said salvation is of the Jew because they don't believe that Jesus is the Christ (the anointed) the messiah their King, this is why God the father said go out in to the highway, to the blind, the lame and the outcasts (gentiles) and invite them to my supper because those who were invited (Jew) refused to except Jesus as their messiah.

[@miahquinones302]

Here is something to consider. When Jesus said this to the Samaritan woman, he initially told her "You worship what you do not know; we (the Jews) know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews" (John 4:22). Yes, many of the Jews are missing THE central piece of God's plan: Jesus. On the other hand, this does not discredit what they do possess. Paul tells us: "What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God" (Romans 3:1-2). For thousands of years, they have preserved the instructions of God. In the future, when they discover who Christ is (Zechariah 12:10), they will instantly know He is the one they have been following all along. They will become the teachers because they have the knowledge (Zechariah 8:23). We are already seeing this in our lifetime.

[@codyalexander3290]

@@miahquinones302 question

[@miahquinones302]

@@codyalexander3290 yes?

[@weejitwill]

"Sin is transgression of the law"

[@joshkaye5303]

James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law stated in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. Galatians 6:2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

[@Sar_ahJ]

@@joshkaye5303, Love your neighbor as yourself is a direct quote from Torah (Leviticus 19:9-18).

[@Froluvangel]

Why is the all seeing demonic eye in the opening???

[@clarissagafoor5222]

what? seriously? get help!

[@back2antiochagain287]

@@clarissagafoor5222 Better take another (careful) look at the icon they are using in place of any other images. I didn't see it initially either, until I went back and looked again. Have you ever played 'Where's Waldo'? It's right in front of you. I tuned into Bible Project once a couple of years ago when I was still a newish-ish Believer, watched a few of their videos and then left. Just out of curiosity, I decided to come back and view the first few minutes of this "podcast", but then went straight to the comments. Very glad I did. This channel is not for me.

[@godisreality7014]

The Law is the 10 Commandments, and we keep them. Israel is a people, still scattered. What God has scattered, He will gather.

[@proudpharisee5303]

what about the rest of the laws?

[@godisreality7014]

@@proudpharisee5303 The Creator and Messiah is the Law. If you love Him, keep His Commandments.

[@carolynbillington9018]

peaceful kingdom teaching :)

[@6969smurfy]

Yes

[@albertosimonbellu9882]

Blessings

[@kittylover247kenelia9]

Like a Tru North! That's the name of my Church! Amen 🙏

[@FatedPodcast]

I'm ready. ⭕️

[@TheCreepypro]

help us to live by your will Lord

[@BloodCovenant]

I have been observing the times Paul appeals to the law as a basis of his instructions. He does it often. The woman preacher issue Paul appeals to creation and the law to make his case. That is just one example. I am trying to wrap my head around why Paul appeals to the law for various types of instruction. The only thing I have figured out so far is the Western church has it wrong.

[@077Survivor]

are you thinking that he is referring to keeping the Laws?

[@BloodCovenant]

@@077Survivor He certainly appeals to the law as the foundation for certain conduct. This happens often in the NT. Not just Paul, but Peter and the rest. The NT is full of quotes from the law as to how the church is to arrange itself under Christ. The church is made up of individuals that are to arrange themselves in proper order. The blueprint for the church is found in the law. Not as a way to obtain righteousness, but as a way to arrange ourselves under Christ. The Western church by and large ignores all of these quotes from the OT in the NT.

[@077Survivor]

@@BloodCovenant thank you so much for your eye opening response! If you don't mind me asking.. how do you incorporate the laws from the OT today in your daily life? I'm still not understanding how to arrange the laws under Christ. I know that this is very important to understand

[@BloodCovenant]

@@077Survivor I'm still learning. I do not feel qualified by the Lord, to answer that question yet:) God still has a lot of Western Theology to get rid of in my thinking!

[@077Survivor]

@@BloodCovenant can you fill me in when you learn more? May the Lord bless you

[@iandomino]

Thank you Tim & John for these podccast. From Philippines here. Been following you guys for years already and I have the app too. That classes that you mentioned is that for free? Can I sign up for that?

[@richardtallach7104]

It's not a travesty for folk to be converted to Christ and their idols to be broken by themselves or the missionaries or preserved in museums.

[@stevemiller8895]

Well let's remember that the Wilderness experience is reflective of the thousand year reign of Christ on Earth hence the Feast of Sukkot/ tabernacles. Which ties both the past and the future together in the present observance of the particular moedim.

[@larrybedouin2921]

The thousand years of the saints are in heaven, not on earth. That will be the eternal kingdom of God with new heavens and a new earth which God shall make. "Let not your heart be troubled: you believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house (in heaven) are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I WILL COME AGAIN, and receive you unto myself; *that where I am* there (in heaven) you may be also. And where I go you know, and the way you know." Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: *no man* comes unto the Father (who art in heaven), *but* by me." {John 14:1-6} We do not hot to heaven (or a Greek mythological place called hades), we rest in hope of the resurrection of life. (The time of the wedding feast) "But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you IN MY FATHER'S KINGDOM." {Matthew 26:29}

[@miahquinones302]

@@larrybedouin2921 Larry, I encourage you to check out Revelation. It seems as though the 1000 years. After the thousand years expired, it says that Satan will be released to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth. Also, it says that they "lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years...they shall priests of God and Christ." For what purpose would they need to reign and be priests in heaven? Just a thought.

[@larrybedouin2921]

@@miahquinones302 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? {1 Corinthians 6:3} Until the Ancient of days came, *and judgment was given to the saints* of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. {Daniel 7:22} ^ The reason for the thousand reign of the saints of God and Of Jesus Christ for a thousand years in heaven. --The time of the wedding was determined by the bridegroom's father and at the time determined by the father the bridegroom would fetch his bride and bring her back to his place prepared for them at his father's house. But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men {2 Peter 3:7} (Jer 4:23-28, Zeph 3:6) .... Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for *new heavens and a new earth* wherein dwelleth righteousness. {2 Peter 3:13} --The resurrected saints will enter in the gates of heaven into the new Jerusalem, that has been prepared for us *in heaven* Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. {Revelation 22:14} (But *the rest of the dead* lived not again until the thousand years were finished.) This is the first resurrection. {Revelation 20:5} To the end [objective] he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness *before* God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ *with all his saints* {1 Thessalonians 3:13}

[@larrybedouin2921]

@@miahquinones302 “And shall come “And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” {John 5:29} And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, *both* of *the just and unjust* {Acts 24:15} *But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished* This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. {Revelation 20:5-6} And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and ("""a thousand years""") some to shame and everlasting contempt. {Daniel 12:2}

[@larrybedouin2921]

@@miahquinones302 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God. For true and righteous are his judgments: for *he hath judged the great whore* which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. {Revelation 19:1-2} Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb *is come* and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, *These are the true sayings of God* {Revelation 19:7-9}👈 ^ Describing events after Armageddon and the seven last plagues. And *when the thousand years are expired* Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. {Revelation 20:7-8} And I saw *a new heaven and a new earth* for *the first heaven and the first earth were passed away* and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. {Revelation 21:1-2} ^ Describing events after the thousand years. This is the resurrection of Condemnation before the great white throne of God.

[@moisesg.v.1575]

Isaiah 56...

[@b8akaratn]

heh... Zeus meat

[@pilotgundul]

As the listener of the audio series of this podcast, Seeing podcast "video" on KZbin like this made me more excited. Why don't you make the real video version? I believe It would be very interesting.. Please make it happen Mr Cooper :)

[@hosiequad]

Jubilee cycle is done in the U.S. Credit can only be reported to the bureaus for 7 years. Debt collectors cannot pursue them afterwards. (They have loopholes but in general it is cleared). Our forefathers were amazing.

[@gigiwilson9124]

As Paul wrote Jesus Christ nailed to cross, Jesus fulfilled law and lifted the curse of the law. Stop telling people that they should live by the law, Jesus set us free

[@olamideifarajimi3292]

The video doesn't tell people to follow the law. It explores the wisdom behind their creation and how the apostles applied that wisdom to instruct the early church.

[@marcusg6904]

Too bad PAUL isn’t your savior and died for you like Christ did. Christ said keep the law and commandments.

[@user-qt6zt3ls9l]

My brother, nowhere in Col 2 does it say the law was nailed to the cross. Clearly you have picked up that interpretation from someone who is biased. Paul is saying that those who have been baptized into Messiah, died to sin, was forgiven of them, and was born again, being circumcised with the circumcision not made with hands. Now because of this, the record of their sins which testified against them was canceled, taken away, nailed to the cross and will no more be remembered by YHWH, Heb 10:15-18.

[@Ariana_Tahor]

“For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” 1 John 5:3

[@jmaalona]

@@Ariana_Tahor following the law out of love is different than following it out of obligation. They aren’t law anymore. They are guidance.

[@chadkent1158]

This has NPR vibes. Good production.

[@shanelangille2693]

What’s with the all seeing eye brah??? Not looking good….

[@gabrielamaev]

Whoa, I didn’t even notice at first. Good eye 😅 yeah, not good on their part.

[@Froluvangel]

My very first thought as well.

[@sharonlee7111]

Isaiah 46: 9 remember the first things of old, that I am God and there is no other, I am God in there is none like me. Deuteronomy 32 :39 see now, that I, I am he, and know God is with me. Hosea 11:9 for I am God and not a man. Jesus is not God worshipping Jesus as God is idolatry. Which God warns against

[@P.H.888]

What is The Solution given in Genesis 3 v 15 when the serpent, Adam & Eve all rebel against YHVH’s Will? Who is going to come and Save us all (Adam, and his offspring)? The SEED Of The Woman! A Virgin Birth! THE WORD (YHVH) became Human! JESUS CHRIST Q WHO has raised themselves from physical death to Eternal Spiritual Life With The FATHER? Uniquely JESUS CHRIST! Q where is HE ? Filling The Whole Heavens!!! So Divine! Not a physical man! Q who appeared to Father Abraham? Gen 18 YHVH How? As 3 MEN! GOD appeared as man! Who’s image & likeness is Adam created in? (Yet he’s a man)! You are correct Almighty God ~ YHVH isn’t a mere physical human created being JESUS CHRIST IS THE CREATOR ~ YHVH with THE FATHER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

[@joshkaye5303]

The commandments of the NEW covenant in John 15:12 This is my commandment, that you love one another, even as I have loved you. 1st John 3:11: For this is the message which you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. 2nd John 5: not as though I wrote to you a new commandment, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

[@treadingtheway3730]

Jesus said it himself, it is not a new commandment and that it is the commandment they had from the beginning which is to love one another. To love thy neighbor as yourself. (Lev. 19:18) And if you don't know, the new covenant contains about God writing the law in our hearts.

[@robbracken1758]

Incomplete. Jesus did NOT come to usurp God’s Commandments (Matthew 5:17-19, John 6:38). Since Jesus DIRECTLY quoted from the Torah in Matthew 22:37-39, which John did, and YOU did also, originally in Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18, John ALSO quoted Jesus quoting Exodus 20:6 where God says, “If you love Me, keep My Commandments” in John 14:15, 15:10, 15:14, 1 John 2:4-6 and Revelation 14:12. We must FIRST understand what love is. Love is sacrifice (1 John 3:16, John 15:13). Sacrifice is self denial, or submission to obedience. Without laws, what are we to submit and be obedient to?? Without the Law of God, what did He write on my heart?? (Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 8:10, 10:16)

[@marcusg6904]

@@robbracken1758 Love is 1 John 5:3 For this is the LOVE of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. Also obedience is better than sacrifice. 1 Sam 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is BETTER than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

[@marcusg6904]

@@robbracken1758 Every time I responded to the other thread they deleted it. Go figure. I had posted Ezekiel 44:11 in reference to the future temple and animals being slain. Ezekiel 41-43 gives the measurements and rules for the 3rd temple so unless you can show me the 3rd temple having been built already you must concede.

[@robbracken1758]

@@marcusg6904 Again, context. You're constantly taking passages out of context. The Bible NEVER says anything about a "third temple ". 1 Corinthians 6:19 Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You FAIL to acknowledge the intended audience of Ezekiel. No, you don't fail. You reject the Word of God. What was Ezekiels purpose?? What was he going thru?? Chapter 44 explains expectations, NOT a third temple. The idea of a third temple is actually from the Talmud.

[@stevemiller8895]

Let's understand one thing because of the confusion of those who are saying the law has been abolished and those who are saying the law still applies I'm going to agree with you both and i will explain. Here is a question however that you must answer honestly, was Jesus the word of God? Was he the living mitzvah (Commandments) and Torah (instruction , law)? Well in Colossians 2:13-15 Paul writes that the law of ordinances was crucified on the cross. Any objections? If that being so in what form was it ( the law and commandments) crucified? It's form was representing the law and Commandments written on parchment and Stone. In other words the inanimate word of God. Which was already considered dead not because the words but because it has no life, it cannot move or breathe , it does not have its own autonomy, it is much like a recipe it can only describe what it is going to create but you can't eat a recipe right? it only tastes like paper , but if you prepare what it prescribes what it directs and use the proper ingredients then you can come up with some really great food , would you agree? So Jesus being the word of God both the law and Commandments and the prophets was he or was he not crucified on a cross? ........of course he was, but is that the end of the story? .... No! He was then, after fulfilling his script, he died! , and then he like a loaf of bread was placed in an oven , he was placed in the tomb. For 3 days then what happened? He was resurrected in new life! As a fresh loaf of bread was taken out of an oven , ready to be consumed. So Jesus being the word of God was crucified on the cross which was the mixing of the right ingredients that the law prescribed even including the sin of the world represented as leaven that died with Christ on the cross and now that same leaven is made unto Us righteousness , represented as the leaven or yeast that will cause it to rise and to grow, ( ref. Matt.13:33) then since the recipe was complete the dough was ready to go into the oven and 3 Days Later becomes a fresh loaf of bread for Jesus says I am the bread of life ...... John 6:35 ( flour , water and salt). In the tomb , mixed with the faith represented in the oil of the holy spirit, causing the bread to remain soft and fresh.( the body does not harden as a result). So in essence Jesus fulfilling the word of God written on parchment and stone was Crucified as the curse of sin and death was laid upon him, and the written word of God was fulfilled and no longer valid in its inanimate form.For Jesus says Think not that I have come to abolish the law but I have come to fulfill it......... Ref.Matt.5:17 But it now required a transformation from the written on parchment and stone to being written on the hearts of man! As the New Covenant suggests! The law written on parchment and stone has been mixed with faith( the holy spirit) and is now known as the law of the spirit as Paul writes about in The Book of Romans 8 Another example is let's consider the written law and Commandments represented as a CONSUMING CATERPILLAR. And let's consider the TOMB as the Cocoon where TRANSFORMATION from CATERPILLAR TO BUTTERFLY takes place. And now let's consider the law of the spirit written on the hearts of men as the inevitable TRANSFORMATION into a LIFE PRODUCING BUTTERFLY. Ref. Rom. 12:1-2 Now I ask you, does that change your perception of the relationship of the law itself and of its nature? I hope so , i hope this understanding has allayed any more controversy to this current subject matter.

[@shepardabraham2574]

Objection, Colossians 2:13-15 was written before Paul was admonished by the Apostles for not following the law. He was forced to shamefully shave his head (symbolic making equivalent to a NEWB), and had to swear to be 'obedient to the law' and not teach disobedience. He took the Nazarite Vow and didn't become an OATHBREAKER like you are claiming he is. He started to follow the law. Acts was written after Colossians so it is safe to claim he wrote Col before the vow. Later on, Paul had many problems, there were 'fake Pauls' whom LOVED the 'I don't need to follow Law' slothfulness and started to write fake letters in the name of Paul in which he did not write. This was fraud. In 2 Thessalonians Paul addressed others not to read fake letters claiming they were from Paul, as they did not have his distinguishing mark. Others, like Marcion whom first got a hold of Paul's writings before anyone else, loved him so much, he decided to re-organize them placing Colossians in an important location in the order for his ideology to win out. He likely also did interpolations, or took fake Paul's letters as more importance than the original Paul. Basically using Paul's name to his detriment and without permission. Either way making it seem Paul's heroin importance greater than the Apostles. His ideology was to override much of what Jesus really taught. It rejected the Old Law because of an Evil God in the Old Testament, while creating a new Good God. This debate about not following the Law is just a lingering wound from the debate about Marcionism heresy, that hasn't been fully healed yet. The real Paul was unlikely an oathbreaker after the Vow. The way you portray Paul is the same as Marcion, he held resentment towards the 'super Apostles' and thus had to usurp them. That would mean he broke his oath, and is thus a villain not a hero. He broke his oath, by not following the law, and teaching others not to follow the law also against the will of the Apostles who punished him. Also, I find it extremely distressing that you back this idea of Paul to 'reject all the old Divine Law' and 'accept all the secular law' and 'accept a bunch of new laws.' One example of many is Polygamy, explicitly allowed in the old Exodus 21; and then you make your own in the New Covenant, monogamy, fully rejecting it. A contradiction of your convictions not to follow the Law, since you create new ones. If you need a new law to do away with another Law you don't like to follow, it is a major defeater of your logic. For if by law you force on another, then by 'with whatever measure you measure, it will measured to you.' God will measure you by 'his Law' because you measure another by 'your law.' Meaning since you admit to being in need some type of law, then there was no reason to do away with the Old Law. A contradictory position is you love the law and hate the Law at the same time. What you do is prey upon the vagueness in the New Testament which lets you make new laws, as long as you deal with those pesky old Laws that are your hindrance and mostly ignore the Old Testament as it would nullify your belief. Thus, you have poison in your heart for the Law and Old Testament. That is counter to the prophecy by Jeremiah and Ezekiel where 'the laws will be in the heart of men.' This poison you inject into Christianity is antinomianism heresy. BTW 'fulfill' is the synonym of consummate, it does not mean end. When you took your wife on a honeymoon night to consummate, did your marriage instantly end in divorce? No, it likewise doesn't mean she became pregnant and gave birth, because that is called procreation. Your equivocation fallacy is you think Jesus came and gave birth to something new like a baby while simultaneously hacking up his wife and then you make it sound like a butterfly. Where oh where is this 'beautiful butterfly' pray tell? Is that the new laws you man-made created? Or is that the laws from the Oathbreaking Paul? Or was it from some vague out of context verse that you use to replace an old law? You not have cognitive dissonance that the Old Testament ugly 'caterpillar' needed to be discarded for a 'beautiful butterfly' is just a repackaged version of Marcionism? There is nothing ugly about it, that is why Jesus is called the Word made Flesh. He even declared himself 'The Way, the Truth and the Life' which was the nickname of the Tanahk at that time 2000 years ago. Then he went on and said, to get to the Father is 'only through me(Tanahk).' *It isn't 'Ignore the way, the truth and the life(Tanahk), by avoiding it is the way to the Father.'* BTW the earliest Christians, called themselves 'The Way.' Also, in Jeremiah 21:8 God specifies the WAY OF LIFE is through the discipline he is dispensing upon Israel. So you as a foreigner and not Israelite, you now want to claim God whom disciplines as a 'Way of Life' is wrong. Doesn't work like that, as long as you are taking the Israelite God, you also get all his ideology 'discipline as a means of instruction.' In Psalm 119:30 in the 'Set fire to my feet for your word' describes what is the truth. "29Remove me from the path of deceit and graciously grant me Your law. 30I have chosen the way of truth; I have set Your ordinances before me." - No one needs to be more clear, there is only ONE TRUTH and that is all the Law, and you are to set them before you and walk over them without complaint, questioning or hesitation, and then you'll have the fire of the word of God in you. So let me sum it up for you. The way, the truth and the life = Tanahk. The way = the law. Truth = obedience without question. Life = the discipline learned from your punishments or chastisements. The way (the divine law), the truth (obedience), the life (disciplined). Divine Law, obedience & discipline = Jesus.

[@stevemiller8895]

@@shepardabraham2574Friend, I'll try and make this a little easier for you ok? Is Jesus the word of God made flesh? and was he crucified on the cross? Was Jesus , the word of God, then laid in a tomb? And was Jesus, the word of God resurrected in New Life on the 3rd day? So now is the word of God no longer considered dead and inanimate as Words on parchment and stone are considered lifeless? In other words the law and commandments written on parchment and stone are like a recipe , they give instruction on how to create a certain type of food. But the recipe only describes how to create but the result is what is created, by this word of God which is a resurrected christ in you. Now you can choose to eat this parchment and though it doesn't taste very well it becomes alive when it is mixed with faith bc you consumed it through your eyes and ears and it went into your heart( tomb) mixed with faith (the Holy Spirit) and now it is a resurrected living word of God As you express it through your actions. Is that same word of God now written on the hearts of men! Through the Holy Spirit? Is Jesus , the word of God including the law and Commandments Resurrected in New Life now called the spirit of the law? Ref.Romans 8. So you might say the death burial and resurrection of the word of God who is the Torah and Commandments Yeshua Ha mashiach! Is the process by which an inanimate dead word, is resurrected into new life! Through this consummation of reading and or hearing the lifeless words on parchment then the words go into the tomb of our hearts and there , they are mixed with faith resurrected in new life as those words now become actions and the evidence of things not seen! I hope you understand now! If you don't please read it again until you do.

[@stevemiller8895]

@@shepardabraham2574 Read this it might help you to understand further. A CATERPILLAR = JESUS ON THE CROSS =THE WRITTEN LAW ON PARCHMENT AND STONE IN THE COCOON = JESUS DEAD IN THE TOMB = THE WRITTEN LAW ON PARCHMENT AND STONE. DEAD AND INANIMATE ALL AWAITING THE RESURRECTION THE TRANSFORMATION INTO SOMETHING NEW! CATERPILLAR INTO BUTTERFLY JESUS DEAD BODY INTO A RESURRECTED BODY THE WRITTEN LAW ON PARCHMENT AND STONE INTO THE LAW WRITTEN ON HUMAN HEARTS BY THE SPIRIT REF. ROM. 8 LAW OF THE SPIRIT! CATERPILLAR= PRACTICING THE LAW AND COMMANDMENTS OUT OF STRIFE BC THEY ARE WRITTEN ON PARCHMENT AND STONE. BUTTERFLY= PRACTICING THE LAW AND COMMANDMENTS OUT OF LOVE BC They ARE WRITTEN UPON OUR HEARTS!

[@shepardabraham2574]

@@stevemiller8895 You wrote a bunch of man-made theological gibberish that has no basis in the Paul that followed the law. The Paul you cite, in romans, if Paul even wrote it, was again a NEWB to the religion and was later shamed, humiliated and punished for teaching against the law. In this, Paul took a Nazarite Vow, never to do it again before the 12 Apostles who walked with Jesus for years, earning equivalent to theological degrees. Paul, knew nothing and his education is even in question. There is no record of him being a student of Gamaliel nor as a student of any other famous Rabbi at the time. Also, funny that you go from the Paul (who rejects all OT Divine Law) and then you try to quote him from romans where he is (obey all Secular Law because they are Divine). < notice the hypocrisy here Notice also how you change words to suit your ideology. It is not a law it is a 'recipe' now, just like a liberal proclaims abortion isn't murder. An equivocation fallacy which is deceptive way of changing the words meaning. It doesn't go 'into a tomb.' The prophecy is to put the 'law in the hearts of men' from Prophet Jeremiah and Prophet Ezekiel and will be 'unfulfilled' by teaching your perfidy of the law. Imagine all the children reading your nonsense and not being able to come to love the law because of it. Oh better to have a millstone put around your neck and be cast into the ocean. The 'right man' meditates on the Law day and night. He puts the lamp under his feet and walks through the law. He doesn't divert his route, he doesn't think about liking or disliking it, he just does it out of love for God. The law teaches discipline. Without discipline you don't know how to chastise or be chastised, thus the 'unchastised are bastard children of God' 'My son, do not reject the discipline of the LORD, and do not loathe His rebuke;' You can not reject the law, because then you reject the discipline and then you are doing opposite of Proverbs 3:11 'Can a mortal be more righteous than God, or can a man be purer than his Maker?' You know better than God? Having given us all these Laws? So then he made a mistake? You are saying, or that they are dead, or that they are transformed, or that they are ended, they are altered, or that some stay and some are gone. Psalm 19:9-11 *'God’s laws are pure, eternal, just'* and you claim otherwise.

[@mchandler4722]

@@shepardabraham2574 You said, "You wrote a bunch of man-made theological gibberish ... ." Pot? Meet Kettle. You just posted 60 lines of actual man-made theological gibberish.

[@shepardabraham2574]

I already know the answer to this one. Mr 'don't follow the law as they are a burden' Paul wrote about this long ago. Well, lo and behold, Christianity has a ton of 'new laws' they wrote and enforce. A good example is monogamy enforcement when polygamy was explicitly permitted in the bible before. Just one example of many. Since you want to make new laws, you stumbled yourself into the old ones as well. 'with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.' Create a law? Then live by them all stumbler. Seriously, you all going to hell for living a life of iniquity. You don't follow the law, you just create your own new ones and ignore the old ones you don't like. And that is creating God in your own image rather than following the entire book.

[@Drewboooo]

Out of everything in the Bible you chose polygamy….. understanding themes is important in reading the Bible. Reread all the stories that involve polygamy, what happens? What follows those narratives?

[@Ariana_Tahor]

Is Paul your god? Or is the Most High Yah your God? He said to keep His commandments, His law. “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” 1 John 5:3 “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Revelation 14:12

[@Ariana_Tahor]

Is Paul your god? Or is the Most High Yah your God? He said to keep His commandments, His law. “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” 1 John 5:3 “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Revelation 14:12

[@lark8356]

@@Ariana_Tahor Grace and Peace to you. My invitation above is to you as well.

[@shepardabraham2574]

@@Drewboooo You should take off your rose coloured eyeglasses and reread it yourself. Let me clarify for you, that the story narrated to you by effeminates, is wrong. Gideon, he was rewarded with many children and many wives, and a peaceful reign while he lived, and did no wrong. He went after idolaters and idealists that didn't belong. Notice how he was rewarded from God with wives and many sons As for the story of Solomon, he was gifted by God many wives. He had a long and peaceful reign. Many of his wives were of a political nature to keep the peace. It wasn't until he listened to his wife and dabbled in idolatry. But we know this story is repeated in the bible many times, not because of polygamy, but because of listening to the woman. Ahab listened to Jezebel, his ONE wife and turned the entire nation against God. According to your logical fallacy, if we judged Ahab the same way, we would claim his 'monogamy' lead him to idolatry and turned the nation away from God. But the truth is, your seething hate of fellow men and their polygamous nature(a creation by God), colour blinds you to the fact that you can not recognize the differences and similarities in these two stories. That is that having one wife or multiple wives is of no difference, you can still fall into idolatry. "I will give you many descendants, as hard to count as the stars in the sky." And you believe this can be done in monogamy, under the feet of a woman on barren pills, abortion on demand, and in a state marriage that gives her authority over you? HAHAHAHAHA!