BIG Avenging Crusader Changes! | Holy Pally Full Melee Healer Now?

[@Extremeties]

For melee healing Paladin to be a viable option, they need 1 of 2 things - Lower the CD on Wings itself so we can actually utilize the focus of meleeing to heal and or lower the stacks required to grant wings from 12 down to... I dont know 6 or 8 or something? Since it only lasts 12 seconds, it currently takes longer than 12 seconds to build so there's periods of time where you can't be a melee healer cause wings is on cooldown on both forms. While Wings is on Cooldown, our melee healing goes out the window . There's ups and downs to it but no way possible to be a full blown melee healer like you can with the Monk. Unless I am doing something wrong but I've spent ample time on the beta testing this stuff and can't seem to have a constant flow of healing through melee.

[@Max-zd8zq]

I love play Heal Paladin in melee. I'm so so so happy about this change ! Thank you Blizzard !!!

[@KiLoB0-WoW]

Absolutely loved playing melee wings in arenas. Super excited to pick hpal back up if blizz keeps these positive hpal changes rolling.

[@tremior34]

Thanks for the vid! What do you think - is 2-H int weapon must have for hpala in TWW raids? Since you don't use SoR at all during bossfights and your CS scale from weapon attack power... Will it make significant difference?

[@ZucoWoW]

The stats are always equal between Sword + Shield or 2-hander... I wish Blizz would re-introduce stat differences, that would be cool, but it makes no difference in the game now.

[@thunderflash3774]

i played avenging crusader through the entire dragonflight xpansion could clear 20/now 10 keys without problem i think they just need to change Word of Glory and Light of Dawn to give the cdr on Crusader strike like rightouse shield becasue if u need extra healing it feels bad to press them because u dont get your cd reduction

[@davidbell4768]

Lovin the h pal love and light smith just sounds like a cool spec can’t wait.

[@kantace5198]

I am excited and worried at the same time, lol. So whenever AC was "too good", it was nerfed right after. We have seen this pattern in Legion S1 and early DF. The melee wings gameplay loop looks almost too smooth and I fear that blizzard will not like that you do not use all the other abilities. AC "passively" works with LS, but I would not go herald because you just cannot spend the holy power on the empowered WoG and appearently you also don't have the gcd to spread holy shocks Great video

[@onioncultistlordoftheonion8315]

Yeah, My immediate thought with these updates was increasing the synergy with Lightsmith, perhaps what they're aiming for is Lightsmith for more aggro/support style, and Herald more healing centric?

[@dylanfitzpatrick9423]

I like what I am seeing. Death to castadin, long live melee Paladin

[@zacharybaxter7692]

I loved AC and the heavy melee build. I do wish they would adjust the mana cost of AC though. It's rough.

[@attinger117]

I was very excited to see the avenging crusader buffs. I really love holy paladin but only if AC is viable. It’s a very fun playstyle and I hope I can make it work in TWW

[@ZucoWoW]

It's looking really good right now!

[@kantace5198]

@@ZucoWoW I am also hopeful. However, on paper, every iteration of melee wings has looked good. In the end, it depends on the numbers. I think melee wings needs more frequent small tuning steps, because it walks a fine line between OP and garbage.

[@matthewdelgado118]

On paper it sounds like avenging crusader is really strong with suns avatar every minute and awakening on top of it. Is that the case with how it feels ?

[@dustinhoopes109]

What's the purpose of using shield of the righteous instead of word of glory?

[@ZucoWoW]

SotR cools down Crusader Strike by a few seconds... This let's you keep pressing Crusader Strike and healing everyone.

[@OldManDoom]

The stupid and pointless nerf to Melee Wings was the reason I switched from Holy to Ret in the first place. Sometimes it is okay to have a spec that is kind of OP when played well. It is okay Blizzard BIIIIIIG DAMN JUDGE!

[@devilsdomain7406]

Would you recommend Hpally for TWW? I miss playing it

[@savagepoodle321]

Will the talent liberation, ever be made useable?

[@Jagardo]

Love your videos man, keep up the good work!

[@Listitan]

I dunno... i think its time to drop my holy pal after so many years. The devs clearly dont know what do do with many classes right now. So sad.... :/

[@johannordin6534]

Well tbf, a melee oriented healer for holy paladin feels very logical imo.

[@Thikness]

AC still doesn't heal enough, you get more healing from Virtue+Holy light even during the AC window.

[@WildShadow90]

I hope melee hpal will be viable in both pve and pvp contents cause i love it…i switched whey they nerfed it

[@AHgpeu1989]

Hey ! Keep posting such videos !

[@Barserek1]

hpal needs a dmg buff, specially holy shock.

[@Felixxfb]

Avenger Crusader should be an Aura, not a CD. You gain an aura that makes you melee.

[@kantace5198]

Retribution aura would like a word with you!

[@razulgag]

at this point, Blizzard is either cooking something BIG for hunters, or throwing this class in the bin, nothing in between

[@Roidrooster]

Shamans will be first in the bin, right there with Hunters

[@puppethound]

I would love to see "Pack Leader" to allow the hunter to change into one of their pets for a few seconds on a short cooldown and attack along side their pets as a Beast. A TRUE "Beast within"

[@razulgag]

@@puppethound that's a cool concept, but that would be more of a The Beast Within hero talent tree, rather than beeing the actual leader of the pack, leader of the animals :D but I can see that happening with Survival hunter! I hope they do something like that, or go back to shadowlands cluster of bombs, that was op af and super fun, was cool seeing surv hunt beeing on the top of the leaderboards for a while

[@jacoblionel4829]

I dig it.

[@sleeperandthejest]

will proc and juice veneration also

[@kantace5198]

What exactly? Could you elaborate

[@sleeperandthejest]

​@@kantace5198Well judgement cooldown will be reduced by crusader strike. Judgement procs veneration and so on and so forth

[@AvengedStrikeGaming]

As someone who plays holy paladin at the highest level, it’s super frustrating to see what’s going on here, and I’m hoping Blizzard has another rework cooking up and we just haven’t seen it yet. Holy paladin suffers from not only major button bloat, but too many playstyles and things to track. With changes made in the alpha, there are holy shock talents, caster talents, melee healing talents (like avenging crusader), HoT talents, and with the new hero trees, even more than that. I’m starting to get really concerned that HPal by launch is just going to be a mess of buttons that individually don’t really do much. At this point, I care less about being numerically powerful, but right now, compared to other healers like shaman, HPal has no clear direction, and it’s kit is not cohesive or synergistic like other healers have now. Personally, I just want to see them commit to one or two playstyles and then do a pass at addressing the button bloat.

[@MrChuckCosta]

Tbh i just LOVE the "casterdin" that dosen't have to go to melee range and bla bla bla like WotLk times. Hpally is kinda lost to me as the "discipline paladin" with this recent Alpha rework.

[@AvengedStrikeGaming]

@@MrChuckCosta I personally prefer the holy shock playstyle, and during the majority of Dragonflight, holy shock has felt like an extremely weak button that you only press to make other parts of your kit work. But even if they decide not to go all in on holy shock, they just need to commit to something. If caster is what they want, then make it caster. I will play any of the different versions, I just don't like that holy paladin right now is just a jumbled mess of different playstyles because they are too afraid to commit to one specific playstyle. Personally, I think something focusing around holy shock is where they should go, since if you want a caster playstyle just play holy priest, but I digress.

[@kantace5198]

I agree your concern, but I wish that they just would have gotten rid of the shokadin focus, which dominates Hpal right now. Historically, there was the HoL/FoL built and the melee wings. Then they added more and more holy shock interactions and when Hol/Fol became too weak, this kinda became the main playstyle.

[@AvengedStrikeGaming]

@@kantace5198 Holy shock has been the dominant play style for a long time. It was what you did in all of Shadowlands, and most of BFA. You’d ignore your procs and just go back and forth between holy shock and holy power spenders. This caster play style hasn’t been what HPal plays for a long time, so it was weird that they just randomly brought it back. It’s part of why so many people in the HPal community hate the caster playstyle. It hasn’t been in favor for several expansions. I’d even be alright with them committing to caster, as long as they made a pass at reducing button bloat and changed the talent tree to be more caster-focused.

[@gravelock6667]

I hate melee paladin healer. Holy light new animation puts away weapon and pulls out a book. The animation is awesome! Makes 0 sense to put away your weapon while in melee combat. Not to mention light of dawn, a big aoe heal, essentially only hits tanks and maybe a DPS because it's a cone in front of you expanding at the end. Wouldn't it make more sense to have ranged holy pally so the come hits more people

[@minimcune]

I think you'd probably really like holy priest!

[@gravelock6667]

@@minimcune I do like it but I would rather have the defensive and burst abilities of paladin not to mention utility of charger

[@minimcune]

@@gravelock6667 yeah fair enough too, def some cool pieces in the pally toolkit :) I'm a MW main for years so the melee thing is my jam haha

[@OldManDoom]

Light of Dawn has always been known as a Raid heal. No one uses it in M+. That is why you have multiple beacons and glimmer. Those are your aoe heals for the most part.