Big Brother Canada 8: Two Houseguests Get Ejected From Game Over Inappropriate Behaviour

Production has made the difficult decision to remove two houseguest as a result of behaviour which occurred that was a breach of the Big Brother house rules.
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[@gabecreates5026]

2 expulsions, 1 quit, 1 eviction, 12 people removed from the house due to COVID-19

[@freddyp319]

What????!!!!

[@shadowstarz3651]

@@freddyp319 Yeah, due to the COVID-19 lockdown, they had to stop production and sent those who were left home.

[@lovemykiss9]

What a season! 😮

[@mr.fahrenheit7009]

12 PEOPLE!

[@LiteDisc]

@@mr.fahrenheit7009 Well, kind of. Due to Canada's restrictions coming in to play during filming it forced Big Brother Canada to stop production, at that time 12 people were remaining in the house.

[@hannahmarie7486]

This season was cursed to begin with.

[@nofearonlylove21]

2020 has been cursed to begin with

[@davidbasa9985]

Horus période

[@abbycollins]

@@nofearonlylove21 this decade has been cursed to begin with

[@jacobadelsheimer9645]

Maki’s plague was one year late, but we definitely saw it on season 8.

[@Eddy12700]

Right it was only right for them to just cancel the whole show COVID came to save this season and just throw it all away

[@juniorjr.427]

She said off camera... The stuff he did off camera... Not just on camera... People in the comment section need to listen... That's why he left...

[@MegaMetal96]

It’s big brother, everything is on camera. She said it wasn’t aired on the feeds, but that doesn’t mean we can’t be informed

[@veeeeeeeeee453]

They are stopping production

[@andrewcarson6925]

Right bitches fucking ignorant

[@LexitaMai]

@@MegaMetal96 Not always. This is a TV show, but the people are real. If someone's sexual assault history was used against them or something like that, for example, that is not something the public needs to or should be informed about for the sake of a show when its personal as hell and nobody else's business. With the type of stuff the show airs, I can only see then censoring it if it was hella sensitive and personal to someone.

[@anonymousperson3023]

@@LexitaMai they can show us the preceding moments before any possible physical contact

[@nickbrooks7171]

wow Rihana is a piece of heaven! Kudos for the two parents who raised her! She is pure love. She went to mihnly directly and mihly started crying on her shoulder.

[@eltito982]

Really weird season, they didn't even get to play the game, no one was evicted. Just a series of negative events plus the entire house getting out of the game.

[@OfficialPagan4rS]

1 person got evicted, 1 quit and 2 people were kicked out

[@scotttaylor5928]

They really had a good cast this season. Was really looking forward to seeing Sheldon win

[@MsVitaD]

This aged terribly

[@jessefrieze5304]

Trash cast what u talking about

[@abbycollins]

@@jessefrieze5304 COVID-19 actually canceled the whole season. Like, everyone was sent home due to the "only essential businesses" rule

[@jessefrieze5304]

@@abbycollins no shit covid-19 cancel the season thanks for the tip Captain Obvious

[@DelonSerinoVlogs]

If they ended production prematurely, it would be a good season once COVID19 passes to gather them all again and do the show. I think that would be a better reset than ending it this way.

[@lisbethlinton3664]

I don't think so, unfortunately. They already donated the cash prize for the would-be winner of this season to COVID-19 relief.

[@PavinaVD]

Good call. If you’re going to evict Jamar it’s only fair that Kyle as well.

[@Dawg476]

What tf did Kyle do?

[@legendztofar--]

How about neither. Or at least show us why for both

[@Slackmana]

How is that fair? What Jamar said was an actual threat, and he said it to Kyle. Threatening to shoot him outside the house.. What Kyle said was that he's not scared of Jamar because he could literally break him into pieces. And he didn't say it to Jamar face he said it to another house guest in order to vent his feelings after being threatened. I don't like Kyle either. Not the type of guy I would invite to my bday party. But I did enjoy his arrogance. I was hoping someone would put Goliath in his place. But not like this...

[@Slackmana]

@Cam The Man Kyle didn't threaten anyone. He simply stated why he's not afraid of Jamar. Jamar's act (threatening to kill two house guests) was one of the worst offenses I've ever seen on Big Brother. The only time I can remember a house guest being expelled for something worse was in season 2 of BB America when a player held a knife to another players throat.

[@thedoge1361]

Slackman Kyle was ejected for his problematic behavior. He was constantly getting into arguments and saying terrible things about the other houseguest. If you watch the live feeds you should know.

[@mjslawrence9554]

Such a negative season during an already negative time...

[@Transitfan93]

If I’m correct, this must be the first time in worldwide Big Brother history that 2 houseguests were ejected for 2 different reasons in 24 hours apart

[@scottdieselcameron8639]

Nah,here in Australia many many Yeats ago 2 dudes Turkey slapped a chick an got booted. Tim was in our current Series.AGAIN,but just got evicted 2 Days ago 6/7/2022

[@pinj]

kyle didn’t deserve to

[@Transitfan93]

@@scottdieselcameron8639 I know that, but what I meant was 2 different houseguests were removed for 2 SEPARATE reasons, not the same reason

[@scottdieselcameron8639]

@@Transitfan93 I was'nt thinking about that.

[@Chayanne7002]

Dang such a mess! I honestly thought bbcan would never witness a bad season like us here in American have... my heart goes out to Arisa Cox, and all the houseguest in that house for having to put up with this. Hopefully the season can go on regularly! 😪

[@themightygallium9509]

Maybe in the next few years we'll get a BBCAN 8.5?

[@michaelgarcia7990]

Lol that blond guy's face is always at a state of shock

[@Sillyzombie666]

a kyle with problematic behavior .....you dont say

[@allstardemon]

So the incidents were censored from audiences? Lame global lame

[@abbycollins]

I haven't seen BBC (im a American), but I understand why, they don't want to cause any trouble for contestants lives and they still have to edit the show down for time. Still, if they were big events and were racist, they should've explained a bit more.

[@callmehalimede6831]

It’s a public tv show that’s kinda why they’re on the show to be broadcast 24/7

[@trucomtipi]

Good thing I did not invest my time this season.. what a disaster.

[@felishafortester5631]

the cast was so good man

[@RollOpeo1]

Wowow. Probably for the best, hopefully future seasons won't fk around when it comes to the rules

[@samwood917]

If this was the bb21 cast, like all of Gr8ful/Unde9able would have been expelled (and rightfully so!)

[@creativename7230]

Did they make any threats that became a problem or use production as a strategy? Either way this season was so cursed

[@gabrielsihova5478]

Both my favorite... Jamar and Kyle, sad!

[@jerryberry8181]

RIP to the people who had Kyle or Jamar as winners picks

[@isaakberghe837]

Yeah. I picked Jamar as my winner.

[@_WKF_Cardz]

@@isaakberghe837 OOOOOOOOOF

[@huh5950]

This is like the third video I watch from them but I'm Italian and I don't know anything about our Big brother

[@MofotozStudios]

Where can I watch esp 10? I dont live in Canada

[@SarahCraigGater]

What happened? I'm in the UK I only saw this because they got told of covid19. Please explain. Love health support to all.

[@jay6440]

Two guys had an argument, one was a jock type who made racist comments, and the recipient of the racist comments made a gun gesture at the jock. This happened off camera, so many people are confused as to why they were evicted.

[@SarahCraigGater]

@@jay6440 thank you. Jock as in American football guy tough big guy.

[@MartyMacFry]

@@SarahCraigGater Basically. No Canadian equivalent exists.

[@ElusiveTy]

@@MartyMacFry "Jocks" exist everywhere. Doesn't have to be American at all, just more engrained in American culture.

[@cristyd.5125]

I hope sheldon will work now with rianne , sue ...i hope he will open his eyes ,ears and heart to other hgs...goodluck sheldon hope you will put up the right person to further your game.ii wish he will go in the final

[@adi.s_1916]

he's honestly emotionless... that's the one thing I hate abt Sheldon, he doesn't listen to anyone else except KVBS and now Kyle's gone.. he is super vulnerable

[@cristyd.5125]

Athavan Sub thats why am hoping and praying he will be more sensible and open his heart to other hgs to farther his game....

[@ubettaeat4303]

So what happen? And why ? Are they all back for season 9?

[@leazaring5586]

i’m only just getting into bbcan. clearly my random number generator chose the wrong season to start with

[@margaretpittman6224]

This has been a really hard week please bring them back it’s been so unfair!

[@bebe13]

I love big brother Canada does anybody know how I can watch old seasons in the US?

[@glassestarzan8702]

Some KZbin channels actually post full episodes. It's matter of searching but they are there. Certain seasons are harder to find unfortunately.

[@zacheryalderton5636]

Great host

[@jackeysmith19]

We don’t get this show in New Zealand, iv never seen it but this was recommended to me and now I wanna know what these 2 guys did, can someone please explain

[@jeremiahgoard2066]

Kyle was a big person who had a big personality and Jamar was a cocky male who still was entertaining but Kyle made racial remarks in the house and Jamar was calling Kyle names and made a gun sign toward him so they both got kicked out

[@jackeysmith19]

Jeremiah Goard haha thanks for that

[@TheNoobPube]

Fuck all

[@eucmike]

Wow evicted for that? This world is run by snowflakes!!

[@omega4258]

australia had it

[@BrandonNinja]

The production team doesn't understand television.

[@SindikaNS_Maluma]

Brandon Ninja facts

[@BrandonNinja]

@@ineverreplyback That's not necessarily true, as a viewer and fan, I know what makes good television.

[@substantialtess]

Or they just don’t want lawsuits....

[@mmoses5272]

BBcan production screwed this up big time. Jamar & kyle should've only gotten a warning not expulsion. They both should still be in the house. This season was on a trajectory of legendary proportion. Now, it's on a BB9 trajectory.

[@Slackmana]

Jamar should be expelled, and Kyle shouldn't of been. I liked Jamar more but I can't defend his actions... and I hated Kyle... but he didn't really do anything wrong.. I sort of just hated his arrogance and beefcake bod... But now I feel sorry for him... Especially because so many people are hating on him despite having no reason for hating him.

[@margaretpittman6224]

M Moses so true

[@WypsotorNyloff]

Now it's over LUL

[@segentekeste8717]

What did they do?

[@johnlamons7482]

I don't understand how some ppl can possibly think that threatening to kill someone isn't a good reason to be evicted from the game. That crazy.

[@obiwankenobi687]

This is so inferior to the UK version they really need to bring it back

[@ohyeahminecraft]

The UK version was a dumpster fire, maybe that was the charm 😂😂😂

[@freddydunham]

Biiiig brothERRRRRRRRRRR! Yes!

[@stingersplash]

@ that would be my accent. It's actually the friendliest accent in England according to polls.

[@TheeAntisocialXxtrovert]

What happened??? They don't show BBCAN in America.

[@cdziura7890]

im in the USA too

[@cdziura7890]

Kyle and Jamar were fighting and Jamar made a gun with his hand which is something that is not allowed in big brother so he got elimated

[@spider3574]

Hopefully BBCan does the same thing they did with season 5 and bring Jamar back. What an entertaining character he was to watch. All ready missed 🙏

[@CrazyGreeneyedCraftylady]

Swagfro they won’t bring him back bc of the virus

[@ushygushy9321]

Shirley S for season 5 half of the house was returning players and the other half was new players. He’s saying that he wants BBCAN to bring him back another season.

[@truthfullytiggy5860]

Very unlikely , expelled means permanently removed and not allowed to come back to the house for any future seasons

[@Slackmana]

Jamar threatened to kill a house guest... He deserved to be expelled. It was the 2nd worst act I've seen a player get expelled for... You can't defend him... If anything It's Kyle who deserves the 2nd chance. Don't get me wrong I liked Jamar more then Kyle but Kyle's actions were far less outrageous.

[@eclipserisingsurfacelevel]

@@Slackmana Kyle used production to eject Jamar. Due to this, both Jamar and Kyle were ejected from the game. Karma be a bitch sometimes.

[@silentp.6748]

So where is my royalty check?

[@seofra8252]

I love her hair

[@jonathancowboy1778]

Jamar's eviction was based on race because of Kyle

[@Nobody-xe9fc]

Anyone want to see BBCAN "Unfinished Business"?

[@BrooklynAlien]

Does anyone No where I can watch the full episodes?

[@MarinerLain56]

I googled "big brother canada season 8 full episodes" And a list of Vimeo links pop up I have to watch them one episode at a time link by link, and the screen is smaller than my tablet, but it works, and there aren't any commercials. It's annoying but...

[@Chris_Ireland]

will not be watching the show anymore. I've watched every season up until now.

[@Chayanne7002]

chris ireland no fr!!! Such a shame.. ughhhhhh I honestly thought bbcan would give me a good season considering what big brother USA gave me last year...

[@blognewb]

Bye!!

[@crispytruth9437]

…but they all won $0 dollars and 0€ cents, 😂

[@trenatibaker]

What happened? What did they do? Where are the clips???

[@creativename7230]

In a nutshell, jamar made death threats to kyle and kyle complained a lot, so prodiction expelled both of them bc kyle couldve possibly used production as a strategy

[@_myronspov]

I hope Sheldon & Brooke return for a future season. Kinda sad that they both didn’t return for S9

[@MizzesSmileys]

Jeeeeeez. What type of season is this.. hope Kyle was the second. Edit: Yayyyy

[@Slackmana]

I would of rather seen Goliath's defeat at the hands of another house guest... I really don't think he should of been expelled. The reason behind Jamar's eviction makes sense. the reason for Kyle's doesn't.

[@collectorjordan7053]

Slackman Kyle was talking to sheldon on the feeds about ways he could make jamar self evict or be expelled,Kyle is a bully.

[@Slackmana]

​@@collectorjordan7053 Being dishonest, and manipulating other players is not against the rules. It's what makes a good antagonist.

[@collectorjordan7053]

Slackman I know manipulating is allowed but trying to get someone to self evict by bullying or trying to provoke them until they make a subtle expression so you can tell production that he threatened you when he made an expression that Jackie and Karen did in s5 watch the feeds and you will understand who is right and who is wrong

[@Slackmana]

@@collectorjordan7053 Jamar is a big boy. He makes his own decisions. Jamar got himself expelled for breaking a house rule. Kyle should NOT have been expelled. He didn't break any rules.

[@dalgom_pumkin3037]

im in US im confused

[@savageevan]

I’m sorry but removing Jamar was absolutely ridiculous. In the heat of the moment Jamar made a stupid threatening comment to Kyle and Vanessa. Which made them go up to production and tell them that they don’t feel safe by him. This is BIG BROTHER, you say shit that you don’t mean in the heat of the moment, there were a lot of worse occasions in this game and nobody did anything. They could of just gave him a warning but they instead expelled him from the game. Really dumb! Edit: I still love this show! I just can’t believe they kicked Jamar out for such a dumb reason.

[@edpeesker5087]

You cant threaten to kill somebody.

[@savageevan]

prince edits I totally agree with you. And Jamar barley spoke the “threat”out loud and didn’t seem like he really meant it.

[@savageevan]

I will also be doing a livestream on Instagram talking about the situation a lot more. Insta: bigbrotherfanboyy

[@Dawg476]

I don't think Kyle should have been kicked either, everybody's too soft

[@Slackmana]

Jamar threatened 2 players lives... He broke a BIG rule, and he deserved to get expelled. I can only think of one other instance where a player was expelled for something worse. and that player held a knife to a female contestants throat. Kyle is the one who's been wrongfully expelled. I feel bad for both of them. I especially liked Jamar's flirty attitude, and will miss his antics. I won't miss Kyle as much but If anyone deserves to come back it's him.

[@MrZachywack]

I hope they invite the cast (besides Jamar and kyle)for big brother 9 kinda like bbcan 5 and have some newbies

[@joyceanderson3668]

I think its unfair Why didnt others who said things that shouldn't have spoken The line about police looking for someone in PEI That wasn't a joke that was a direct hit Why was that not address

[@monicarodriguez3717]

Can someone tell me what happened I need names too I haven’t seen this at all .

[@cdziura7890]

Kyle and Jamar were fighting and Jamar made a gun with his hand which is something that is not allowed in big brother so he got elimated

[@juststee]

The way he described the illness was so shit.. He made out like its nothing to be alarmed by.. When most of the world is shut down

[@andrewcarson6925]

GOOD THEY GOT RID OF EM

[@CodCats]

What did he do? what happened

[@ryanhowell4492]

What started it

[@ps133]

But why did thosw 2 guys get evicted?

[@bluesky5384]

One good thing that came from Covid is that this season was cancelled.

[@ghostedkyle]

idek what happened here but i wish BB USA would take things seriously and expel house guests for inappropriate behavior

[@adi.s_1916]

Anybody notice how almost nobody reacts to Jamar's ejection, but when Kyle's ejected nearly everyone reacts and is emotional... nobody liked Jamar unfortunately except Minh-ly ... while most of the house was controlled by Kyle... he was most likely gonna make top 3 and now the amount of racism in bbcan is on full display... just goes to show how race actually does play a factor in bbcan :(

[@Dawg476]

Maybe nobody liked Jamar because of his personality, because that's a thing not everything is racism

[@Slackmana]

Jamar threatened to kill people, and no one knew why Kyle was expelled.... So it makes sense to me why more people would be upset with Kyle being expelled.

[@Slackmana]

@Bridgette Bricking Cody's threat wasn't as direct as Jamar's was. However It was 100x more direct then Kyle's none threat.

[@thedoge1361]

Slackman But Kyle also threatened said “I’m going to break him (Jamar) into a million little pieces “

[@Slackmana]

@@thedoge1361 He didn't say that. He told John Luke that he's not afraid of Jamar because he could snap him into 57 pieces.

[@thecardoski]

I really like Jamar but he went too far, we shouldn't be so quick to call racism here. Look how diverse these bbcan casts are they appear to care.

[@thecardoski]

@Cam The Man Of course,but he doesn't have the right to threaten to shoot someone. It's really that simple.

[@thecardoski]

I am no Kyle fan and I really wish Jamar was still in the house but.....

[@iChristianGurl]

thecardoski YOU don’t get to choose when minorities get to call racism! Check that entitlement of yours. Racism is real, and Jamal can call it out anytime he wishes. If possible, go somewhere and monitor white women and gays on ‘sexism’ and ‘homophobia’!

[@annushankar3032]

Kyle was crying white tears.

[@zachalderton2057]

end of series

[@zacheryalderton5636]

End of series

[@riko2965]

Can somebody kindly explain why they were kicked out?

[@Alesedit]

Jamar made threats to kill Kyle outside of house. Kyle had problems with cleaning himself from drugs.

[@Idkwhattoputheretbh558]

This season of Canada big brother sucks

[@luguy8347]

Smartender gaming6 it’s not season it’s the COVID -19 that sucks, it’s turn life upside down. Stay in , stay put stay safe.

[@davidflores6922]

Ok but what happened?!?

[@cdziura7890]

Kyle and Jamar were fighting and Jamar made a gun with his hand which is something that is not allowed in big brother so he got elimated

[@andrewhenighan2008]

Tv like this is whats wrong with today's generation

[@carissab2212]

at least season 9 has been so amazing we can forget how bad this one was

[@ClevelandBrownSurvivor1996]

unfair

[@sportsfan4232]

Honestly this whole cast should be brought back if willing don’t think anyone would be against it with the circumstances. Except maybe jamar and Kyle since they were ejected although I don’t agree

[@jade6513]

This season was a disaster

[@paulbiz8708]

What a joke u would see US big brother edit like this.

[@hannahmaco]

im glad at least one big brother game kicks out racist guests

[@marcosjunior6852]

como vim parar aqui? sou BR e nao entendo poha nenhuma que o povo ta falando kkk

[@briandegroote6397]

They all in isolation anyways. But okay lol.

[@brittanyhofer3786]

Kyle just cracked us all up at the last POV game with eating cookies!!!. Haha!! I actually loved Kyle!!!

[@Vlamakis]

hahah fuck yea !!! LETS GO MINH LY YOU CAN WIN THIS

[@tommyliangwei3724]

20th March 2020

[@toto-ok3yf]

Big brother Canada is really social engineering wow

[@Jopo1226]

Big brother US this is how you handle expulsions. It's an eviction and reset the week. Britney got screwed in BB14 because of it

[@creativename7230]

Well they followed in their steps with paloma. But still there was a reason, plus 2 expulsions were too much

[@prakaashjayabalan208]

2020 be like positive is negative

[@sushifornico]

I sadly dont see it, but what did Kyle do?

[@jeremiahgoard2066]

Jamar Said he was going to hurt Kyle and then did a gun motion to Him. Kyle made some very bad threatening remarks like He said I will Break Jamar in half.

[@ghosty8193]

Wait what did they do??

[@cdziura7890]

Kyle and Jamar were fighting and Jamar made a gun with his hand which is something that is not allowed in big brother so he got elimated

[@REDANDSILVER741]

Cooper Dziura Jamar made that gun sign to show he was gonna “pop” him outside the house.

[@corinnekeast673]

They should have a do-over cause everyone got completely screwed!!

[@MMWEST01]

BB CAN season 8 is BOTCHED!!!!!! OMG!!! It’s week 4 and there have only been one eviction. This is ridiculous and annoying to watch. Now Carol also wants to leave begging to be put on the block and evicted on Wednesday. I’d rather they just cancel this season.

[@Glenn036]

Exactly worse season ever.

[@MizzesSmileys]

Lol guess you got your wish

[@MMWEST01]

Larz wait! What? Is it BBCAN 8 cancelled?😂🙈 💃🏽

[@MizzesSmileys]

@@MMWEST01 haha yeah you can thank Miss Rona for this one 😂😅. It was announced a few hours ago. Production's done and there won't be a winner

[@MMWEST01]

Larz oh wow talk about wishful thinking....!!! OMG I am shook !!!!! This will definitely make BBCAN History. Thanks 😊

[@MelissaOnline1]

Horrible cast! You feel me!

[@realwickedbrew]

Overly dramatic...

[@joshbradford5898]

Big Brother Canada is weak!!! Do they expect everyone sit in a circle and sing camp fire songs. People are going to get upset and show emotion. Unless someone purposely attempts to harm someone let them play.

[@EdertheJust]

This is so ridiculous. They booted them both and was like, " Take our word for it, it was bad!". How if you show us the reason so we know why they were expelled from the house instead of take our word for it because we know best line. Are they trying to tank the season on purpose?

[@MrDominic600]

Ya the “we won’t show why we chose to evict them” kind of confused me. But I didn’t think anyone would bring it up

[@mn7164]

They could of done that to protect those house guests. If it was something pretty bad half the internet would be on these people or it could defame them is my guess. I think it's respectful not to air out the dirty laundry. Which is shocking given its a reality T.V lol

[@EdertheJust]

@@mn7164 you could be right but they werent afraid to show Carol trying to self evict. Now she is being dragged on Twitter.

[@Bulshoween]

Jamar was making me laughing 🤔 now who will make me laugh😢😢😢

[@hollywilliams8715]

kaafiya kunkaroon lovly yo mama

[@Glenn036]

John Luke's Voice ;-)

[@Bulshoween]

OMG 😂 I can't stand his voice. It's so annoying even though it's normal

[@zacheryalderton9502]

Kyle played well

[@zachalderton2057]

KYLE EJECTED

[@katsu_papi]

Canadians really pronounce gift as "geft"?? interesting...

[@BostonSecret45]

what the fuck are you guys doing? not only did you evict people who are PLAYING THE GAME not a soft game but ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME PROPERLY but then you dont even show us what happened with EITHER PERSON? This is actually horrible for this show because as we pretty much all know the entire internet was against kyle and wanted him out and were threatening to not watch the season because kyle was still in it.... so because of this big brother takes kyle off? thats absolutely ridiculous and not helpful for this show to continue building a base that they keep breaking down.. This is why so many people undermine this show compared to the american version. Like what the fuck are you guys doing up in production lmao

[@JoMaSaOfficial]

Jamar was on a pshycho level it was so disturbing and awkward

[@ShyGuyGR33N]

Mess. So messy. They wrongfully removed jamar and won't admit they f upped so they got rid of Kyle to appease us. Smh

[@thecat7468]

Jamar should have never been sent home. What is wrong with BB. Not watching now.

[@zacheryalderton5636]

Covid-19 cases too high

[@DW54x619x]

This season is so boring, bring back Jamal or properly explain why he was evicted.

[@Glenn036]

Agreed the one's that are left are boring AF this is the worse season ever and i'm done watching it.

[@KARIM-hm8dh]

most embarrassing bbcan season

[@zacheryalderton9502]

Series over

[@BrandonNinja]

This show is garbage. Two people are kicked out for arguing in the big brother house?

[@juniorjr.427]

You must not listen to what she said.... It's the stuff that he did off camera... You got to listen

[@BrandonNinja]

@@juniorjr.427 I did listen. It's called giving him a warning. Kicking him out is extreme.