Big Foil Wing vs Medium Foil Wing for Kitesurfing

[@oldcolonial85]

Thank you. Super helpful. You guys continue to do a great job in explaining things from a civilian, average rider's perspective.

[@OurKiteLife]

Thanks so much :)

[@hindssites]

Just loved your video. You have a humility of heart in the way you teach yet it is obvious you are pretty good at foiling especially in those light winds. You are an expert in disguise. Cherry Beach, Toronto was where I first learned how to windsurf. How times have changed 40 plus years later. I am inspired to go revisit it after seeing your video. I loved your explanation of the mid vs big wing. It confirmed what I always felt about big wings. They are super slow and the lift they provide can be over the top. If you are 90 years of age or older and like to keep things really really slow the big wing is the way to go. (Yes. I plan to be foiling at 90 plus years of age). Otherwise you only need a wing that is big enough to get you up and foiling but not so big that it keeps lifting you. Its like flying a kite to big and being overpowered.

[@OurKiteLife]

Thanks so much for your kind words :) yes, the big wing is definitely slower. Good for learning but would agree that it can be over the top at times. If you’re ever back in Toronto for a visit let us know :)

[@M78-y7r]

I could watch the foiling footage for hours, sooo relaxing

[@simonlewis4371]

Great vids ! Good to see the kiting community alive and well in TO

[@OurKiteLife]

Thanks :)

[@glennocean6981]

Welcome to August everyone! I want to commend the videographer, man (or gal) your shots are getting better and better! Joy to watch! Epic shots! Thank you!!!

[@OurKiteLife]

Thanks - took braving some cold water to get a few of those 😄

[@KitesurfingAcademy]

@@OurKiteLife Well worth it, man!!! Well worth it! :)

[@SurfmanCHK]

I love your Videos, they are so easy to understand in contrast to so many „Professional „ ones. Greetings from Germany!

[@OurKiteLife]

Thanks so much, glad you enjoy them!

[@Mersaul4]

It was super cool that you involved some of the local regulars in your video!

[@surfn-]

I've also learned to foil over the last 18 months on a janky CRX setup using a 65cm mast - Recently just becoming VERY comfortable with traveling at higher speed, but I'm still struggling with foot changes without touching down. I'm happy you shared this brand of foil that is compatible with my CRX board, I was worried about having to buy a complete kit when I'm ready to make the investment.

[@OurKiteLife]

Yeah - it's nice to be able to use the CR:X board and save some money. At some point I think we'll get a new foilboard - something more buoyant - but for now this works for us!

[@manfredanderson2080]

Great educational Video again. You make the concepts fun and easy to understand.

[@Kvin600]

Nice to know there are options for switching up the stock CRX mast/fuse/wing

[@Pahabarabaha]

Very interesting to learn more with you! Thanks!!!

[@soundsfromblackandwhite2651]

All the best to 10,000 subscribers. It´s awesome to see, that this professional content reaches so many people. I wish you all the best. Greets

[@markusbroyles1884]

I look forward to every one of these ~ We have't met yet but in the fullness of time that'll happen. Epic that there is such a great diagnostic medium performance group. Kudos for the comprehensive topic coverage.

[@rojitorroj9584]

Your videos are so well made and detailed that I can't believe you don't have a million subs

[@nicoduvivier1561]

A bigger wing has also the advantage of a more surfing feeling, especially going downwind in small or choppy conditions. Nice Video 👌👍🏻

[@OurKiteLife]

yeah, whenever you pass a wave downwind you can certainly feel it more with a bigger wing.

[@siddallj]

Went with a Zeeko Blaster 4'8 board with US boxes, Duotone Spirit Surf 1250wing 90cm mast, and the Spirit GT 565 race wing. Makes a great combo for playing in the waves, going crazy fast, and jumping. Generally have more fun on the 565 wing. 1250 is good when the wind is super light or for foil surfing. The rear wing has adjustable shims so you can add more or less angle, they are pretty effective, could feel the difference. Finally bit the bullet and went for 14m lines on the 13m Ozone Chrono V2, the short lines really make the kite way more responsive for foiling. Interesting to see other foil setups :)

[@OurKiteLife]

Nice - sounds like you've got a good set-up. Wish we could try shorter lines but the wind is up high at our spot - so without line extensions, you're more likely to end up swimming

[@Adventureman_Dan]

Thanks soo much for making this. Really helps! Keep these videos coming!

[@BrettWae]

I love my strapless 633/91/483 setup. Looking at getting a smaller stab though. 70kg with a 7m 3strut and I can work it from 10 to 20knts.

[@n9308x]

Thank you again for such useful videos! Let me know when you organize that kite trip.. ;). I’m still hoping to come to one of your surf camp schools.

[@davidgundrum6839]

Great way to squeeze out a session where a session wouldn't otherwise exist 5 years ago - foil boards sure have come a long way in a short time!

[@OurKiteLife]

So true! When will we see you on a foilboard ...or a kite, Dave?? :P

[@davidgundrum6839]

Haha, either A) once my OneWheel tire wears out and I'm waiting on a new one, or: B) I can finally escape the office for a day, or C) a combination of both A) and B) :P - beaches are open again in Ontario which is great! I haven't kited in soooo long =( - Great video as always guys! =)

[@s2oooo]

Don't forget a smaller rear stabilizer adds a couple knots of speed to the setup 👍

[@miamars2249]

I have an unifoil and im so happy with the performance.

[@mysweethubert]

Nice video, thanks! I see that you are using straps on your board, I'd love to learn more about the pros and cons about riding strapless on a foil.

[@OurKiteLife]

So far I've only tried strapless foiling a couple of times. If you're used to strapless riding it's probably the way to go, and it's easier for foot switches I'd imagine. The board I use isn't very buoyant so having straps help for water starts

[@mysweethubert]

@@OurKiteLife that makes sense! Thanks for the reply, I'm more comfortable without straps on a surf, so I wasn't too happy about adding straps when starting to learn riding with a foil. Ill pick a buoyant board though, thanks for the tip!

[@alekseydes]

@@mysweethubert It is actually easier to water start on low volume boards without straps...

[@westfinger8630]

Good stuff! We are looking forward to getting out on our new foil and giving this foil riding a try. I'm really hoping we will be able to get out in these light gusty winds that are so common in my area.

[@arnoldmats]

Dear Kitelife, My compliments and one question please, what is the length of the fuselage, longer and shorter one? Just to compare with what I have, eager to start using it : ) Thanks!

[@GestaltReality]

With foiling what I am super curious about is, in light winds especially and bigger kites is how does a LEI compare to a foil kite? Which kite has better drift and is less likely to fall out of the sky when going down wind on a foil?

[@OurKiteLife]

Hoping to make a video on LEI vs foil for light wind conditions for both foils and twin tips

[@lucasfreye4448]

Any chance y’all can do a vid on board sizes also related to experience level.

[@OurKiteLife]

Thanks for the suggestion - it’s something we can look into

[@brennanbasnicki6158]

Awesome! I've been learning on a 600cm² 🤦‍♂️

[@OurKiteLife]

try bigger one, it is much easier :D

[@OneWheelGuy1]

How big is the speed difference between big and medium/small wings? I have a large front wing and I have not been able to crack 32 km/h (20 mph). I hear about other riders averaging 40+ km/h and I wonder how much of the difference is the foil. I don't really _need_ to ride faster, it's just interesting that my foil setup is currently slightly slower than my twin-tip

[@gerhardosterloh917]

Thanks for this very useful video. What about different mast sizes? How long is the mast your are using? Best regards.

[@OurKiteLife]

ours is 91cm, our previous mast was 95cm. They feel pretty similar. Most people in our group ride 90-95cm, some ride 70cm i believe.

[@GestaltReality]

@@OurKiteLife Most foil guides out there recommend a shorter mast size when starting out. I'm surprised you didn't make the same recommendation.

[@OurKiteLife]

Yeah - we learned on a shorter mast (you can see that in some of our previous foilboarding videos). Tbh not sure it's totally necessary to learn on the shorter mast - we know quite a few people who managed without that step.

[@dpwild328]

Great video. Where do you buy a RDB foil? I found their website - Russian, but no pricing.?

[@OurKiteLife]

There’s an email address for Aleks in the video description. He can tell you pricing/more info on RDB

[@tomasgulas]

Can you share the price vs Moses?

[@OurKiteLife]

@@tomasgulas $1150 CAD for the mast, medium wing, medium stabilizer and medium fuselage and additional CAD$750 for large wing with large fuselage with large stabilizer. So $1416 USD for whole setup brand new. Oh and we also paid 70$ for screws additionally to fit our old crx board

[@tomasgulas]

Thank you!

[@neuronflow]

Did you also try the smaller wing with the longer fuselage and bigger stabilizer? I feel like a lot of things you attribute to the bigger wing might also be due to the longer fuselage and bigger stabilizer? If you really want to compare front wing size effects you should compare on the same setup.

[@alekseydes]

That is true to some extent. Small wing will be more stable on longer fuselage, but it won't be much slower.

[@OurKiteLife]

Good point - we did not try that but will give it a shot next time we're out

[@neuronflow]

@@alekseydes I expect the same. I would also recommend trying without the stab :)

[@largelew9999]

What was the small wing with long fuselage and large stabilizer like?

[@Pahabarabaha]

Please tell more about hydrofoil you've been tested

[@OurKiteLife]

We had a CR:X foil set-up for the past couple of years. Recently we bought a 91cm RDB mast, with a large wing (1200 cm) and medium wing (730 cm), with two fuselages and stabilizers as shown in the video. We're very happy with the RDB set-up we've got - much more stable than the CR:X. Aside from that we haven't tried a lot of different foilboards - just what our friends have

[@Pahabarabaha]

@@OurKiteLife I saw a lot of people riding RDB. Is that a Russian brand?

[@OurKiteLife]

Yes, it is

[@alekseydes]

One interesting thing about RDB is that it is fully compatible/interchangeable with Moses. You can mix and match Moses kiting masts, fuselages, and wings with RDB :)

[@Pahabarabaha]

@@alekseydes , are they made on same chinese factory?)

[@darrinvincent7427]

Where do they sell RDB foils? I can’t find them online.

[@OurKiteLife]

we left an email in description of the video from a guy that we bought it, he sells to US and Canada

[@KitesurfingAcademy]

Heey guys! How much does the Lady weigh? (I know, an unethical question... just trying to figure out the ratio to the wing size...)

[@OurKiteLife]

125 lb

[@KitesurfingAcademy]

@@OurKiteLife Thank you very much! I am selecting a wing for myself and wondering what size to go for. I m 220 lb... 195cm

[@Popas1]

Great video as usual! Have you tried very small foil board? The best combo for cruising and wave riding seems to be very short board and big wing. I do have a very short board and it has less inertia to ignite turns and make you focus on the foil beneath it rather than the board.

[@OurKiteLife]

Thanks! Haven’t tried a short board yet. We’ve been thinking of getting a shorter board though but have heard mixed reviews so far. What’s the size of your board?

[@Popas1]

Mine is very short, 100cm, but I really love it with my 850cm2 wing. My front foot is near the top end of the board. However, the board is very stable, even when I touch the water with its 45cm width.

[@Kvin600]

How's that larger fuselage compared to the stock CRX? I ordered a 1500scm wing from Clearwater foils and customized it to fit the CRX fuse. Just wondering if that's a bit too short

[@pierrearmand6590]

Is it a russian made foil? Do they make foils for windsurf boards?

[@OurKiteLife]

Russian made yes, windsurfing foils? Not sure, best bet is to ask them

[@pierrearmand6590]

@@OurKiteLife I don't see them for sale in USA. How do you email the company. I didn't find an official website or one I could understand.

[@OurKiteLife]

@@pierrearmand6590 in the video description there's an email of North American contact for rdb foils. Hope that helps

[@pierrearmand6590]

@@OurKiteLife thanks

[@tevele9116]

Don't your weigth matter in the choiceof bigger or smaller wings?

[@OurKiteLife]

it would be wrong to say that it doesnt, but how much weight matters is up for debate. We find wind speed is a bigger factor, as the lift of the wing depends on the speed that you foil with. Big wing starts lifting you up at about 5 knots, and medium wing starts lifting you up at about 10 knots cruising speed.

[@chanedd]

What about the length of the mast, u miss that one out

[@OurKiteLife]

For this video we used the same mast (and board) when comparing.

[@jyk4]

I started with a small 700 cm^2 wing, and I'm using a large M size gong classic surf foil nowadays (1500 cm^2 ?) and it's better in all way. Except max speed. But the large gong wing goes 28 km/h and it's fast enough for me. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGG0c6iKfLmaldU Even slower would be better..

[@OurKiteLife]

Nice! We looked at Gong but shipping was going to be very expensive for us

[@AborigenAborigenovich]

ок

[@paulweninger8018]

Firsssttt

[@OurKiteLife]

that was fast!

[@GabriGlider]

Guys dont spend money on a big wing lol. It a waste of money, go directly to a medium one or you will regret it in the two weeks you take to learn xD. I started kitefoiling 2 days ago and i can perfectly go with the 2018 north speedster.

[@OurKiteLife]

Big wing is mostly what we use 6 months later, it’s just more stable and pleasurable to ride - especially when paired with a smaller kite