Big Green Egg vs Weber Summit Charcoal Grill vs Kamado Joe Comparison Review | pros cons | Grill Me!

Compare Big Green Egg vs Weber Summit Charcoal Grill vs Kamado Joe w/ pros & cons of each grill. In depth smoker review & how to decide. Hope this helps!
In this new format I'm calling "Grill Me!!!" (because, why not?!?) I talk about the number 1 question I get...and I get it all the time. "If I could only have one grill or smoker, what would it be?"
I know this is long but you will never find this much information in one place that will help you with your buying decision. Here is the table of contents in case you want to reference this later.
:33 - By FAR the most common question I get
:59 - A bit of a verbal train wreck, enjoy! :-)
1:37 - The most important thing you need
2:24 - Pros and cons of Weber 26 Kettle with Slow ’N Sear
4:00 - Pros of Big Green Egg XL
5:07 - Cons of Big Green Egg XL
6:50 - My unpleasant Big Green Egg story
8:36 - Pros of Kamado Joe
11:41 - Cons of Kamado Joe
12:30 - Pros of Weber Summit Charcoal Grills
13:39 - Advantages and disadvantages of ceramic
15:05 - Advantages to metal
17:32 - WSCG Smart design!
19:00 - WSCG fantastic heat deflector
20:35 - Cons of Weber Summit Charcoal Grill
21:35 - What about Akorn and Big Steel Keg (Broil King Keg)
23:43 - Weber could take over the kamado world…but instead they did dumb stuff
26:48 - My favorite grill
27:17 - How to pick your favorite
28:20 - My funny (but serious) secret for how to pick a grill!!!
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**Additional Disclosure:
I have mentioned all this stuff before in videos but in case this is the first video of mine you seen, I’ll go through it again here. I was not paid to recommend any of the products I talked about in this video. My Slow N Sear was provided by Adrenaline Barbecue Company because I do video work for their channel. (They don’t ask me or expect me to mention the Slow N Sear on this channel. I do it because I love it.) The Kamado Joe was sent to me by Kamado Joe for free but I wasn’t really thinking about that when I made this list of recommendations (If I had been, I would have mentioned it.) I purchased my Weber Summit Charcoal Grilling Center, 26 Weber kettle, and my Big Green Egg with my own money. (Though where do I sign up to get on that gravy train, know what I mean?!? lol) This is probably more information than you care about, but I like to make sure you know all this because I feel it’s important when making recommendations. It sucks to find out somebody is getting paid to make recommendations AFTER you buy a product. That's not what's happening here, but I still feel like it's better to over disclose than under disclose. Long story short, I've got nothing to hide. I'm just trying to help.

[@christopherking8334]

Justin, I've looked at probably 30 different grills over the last two months, in person, online, forums, etc. I've checked through just about all the top quality manufacturers. I was drawn to pellet cookers because of the "all-in-one" concept that tries (struggles) to bridge the flavor of charcoal with the simplicity of gas. While I was drawn to the searing capability of the MAK 2-Star, I struggled with the thought of spending that much on a grill and ultimately decided that I love that perfect flavor charcoal imparts. That brought me to Kamados and the WSCG. After watching hours of your videos on each, I'll be ordering the WSCG after I move in 2 weeks and I'm pretty confident in my decision. I almost never leave comments, but really wanted to reach out and say thank you for your transparency, information, insight, opinions, and passion about smoking, grilling, and outdoor cooking. You've really helped my process and inspire some great cook ideas. Thank you so much!

[@EricPetersen2922]

Christopher King Komodo Kamado

[@praetorxyn]

If you want the absolute best, it's Komodo Kamado. Makes the other ones look like toys to be honest. If you want a virtually indestructible Kamado it's the Blaze.

[@sticks5618]

Thanks - just bought the Summit w/o the table. Love it after 2 cooks for all the reasons mentioned. Had a BGE Large for 10 years good but hard to clean, move, clean, heavy and had to buy all the accessories to get to the same level of functionality. Agree Weber lowers the price about 30% and they take market share. Also had Traeger electric - ok but not the same as charcoal and wood chunks. So very pleased to be back to charcoal with the Summit. Thank again, Mark.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Awesome! Thanks for reporting back. I get this alot. I also get the "You have no idea what you are talking about because nothing is better than ceramic...and no, I've never used the Summit and haven't compared it but still I'm dug in on this one" comments. lol. Have a great rest of your week!

[@TROYCOOKS]

I really enjoyed this format Justin. I hope it does well for you and that you stick with it. If anything at all, I thought the camera was a bit too close. But, I'm just nitpicking. See you soon brother!!! Cheers, Troy

[@kobrien1608]

And he needs s beer in his hand! Haha

[@lesvegetables7823]

kobrien1608 even better he's got a mt dew!

[@BabyBackManiac]

You guys don't know it but right after I saw this comment come through, I texted Troy a close up picture of the side of my face. lol. "Hey, is this too close!??!" lol Justin

[@handcannon1388]

It could have been worse, say just 2/3 of one buttcheek or something. I liked the format, though I do think that you would come across as more decisive if you took more time to extract and organize all your thoughts before filming. I would probably have to sit down in a fairly quiet place with a cup of coffee and write it out on paper first. Then edit it until I was happy, but that's just me. It may just be a holdover from writing (yes, I was published twice in the nineties). That being said, why not make "Grill me!" a regular feature. Out of respect for Troy, I wouldn't post it on Thursdays, but Mondays or Tuesdays might be good. You could cover viewer questions or maybe even do a cooking experiment - regular vs. reverse searing, does spritzing on a long cook actually accomplish anything, does adding wood chunks/chips on a short cook (such as steak or burgers) actually enhance the flavor - these are just a few suggestions. Stay well, keep smiling, and I look forward to the regular features. Ken

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks for the feedback, Ken. Troy wouldn't care if I did something like this on Thursdays. It's just not in his DNA to let stuff like that bother him. I probably will do stuff like this from time to time but it won't be a weekly them. Maybe every couple of months. Will see. Thanks for you input though.

[@gdsmit1]

When I bought my ceramic grill, I did the research and came up with the same stuff. BGE put out an awesome product, in 1972. Of course since then they have done nothing to improve it until they started losing market share. Add in that everything is an add on and that showed me that I would never own a BGE unless they changed drastically. I bought a Kamado Joe and have been thrilled with it. I have coworkers that would only ever buy an egg because it's the name. They are the ones that get the name brand of everything, just because it's the big name, not because it's a better product.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Awesome. I'm glad our research lined up. Thanks watching.

[@nickgillio2304]

Just because everything is an add-on doesn't me and you shouldn't have gotten an egg The egg has a lifetime warranty on all ceramics the kamado Joe doesn't I work at a business where we are a dealer for both big green egg and kamado Joe the egg has a far better warranty and is made out of far superior materials meaning it is 100% ceramic The kamado Joe is only 30% ceramic and the rest clay and other mixtures both cook relatively the same but both will not last the same amount of time

[@thatstupidbunnysuit2648]

I’ve had a Weber sitting in the box for almost two years now. I’ve been using a gas grill this whole time you have inspired me to get it out and try the charcoal game. Thanks man!

[@BabyBackManiac]

Awesome. Have fun with it!

[@MrFowl]

I want another video like this. Something informal where you're just giving us your experiences about stuff. You have quite a lot of knowledge that the rest of us don't because you've experimented so much.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks Eli. I appreciate the feedback. Have a great week

[@keithbrookshire]

I like this freestyle format! My first "real grill" was an old school Weber performer (with stainless cart) for $20 or $25 bucks at a yard sale 20 years ago. It's still going strong. I agree with the ceramics being fragile in the Kamados. I had decided my next big grill purchase would be between the new, larger PK Grill and the Blaze Kamado. It looks like I'll be throwing the Weber Summit Charcoal into the mix as well. Keep up the great videos.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Keith, I love those old Performers. I had the model that came right after yours. No stainless, but I still liked it. I never should have sold it. it was a fantastic grill. The PK and the Blaze both look interesting to me as well. Let me know what you end up getting. Justin

[@slickfu]

When I clicked on this video I said to myself, "I'll never watch this whole video." Touche Sir.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Haha thx

[@adamjones345]

i concur swicks...he has an uncanny ability no to beat around the bush and one can appreciate the obvious time he’s spent behind a grill!

[@CookingJoeFoods]

I bought all three grills and feel the same way you do. You made very valid points. After my Big Green Egg experience I'll probably never buy another one. Both Big Green Egg and my dealer customer support has been awful. I'm liking my Weber Summit better than my Kamado Joe and I like my Kamado Joe better than my Big Green Egg. Where the Summit is really good too is high temperature pizzas!!! No gasket will to fry and it cools off much faster than both the Big Green Egg and Kamado Joe. I gave up trying to cook high temperature pizzas on my Big Green Egg, the first time I took it past 450° my gasket fried.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Yeah, I took a lot of crap for this video. Until somebody has had all three, they don't really understand. It's hard to get passed the look and feel of ceramic and see the bigger picture. I still say any of those grill a person could buy and be happy with (in the case of BGE if they had a good dealer.) Thanks for watching, Joe.

[@peterodriguez2364]

GR8 vid.. I've gone the route of the chargriller akorn and auto kamado... with a few mods I fabricated myself I feel I got the right all around grill/smoaker.. I did use parts and ideas from building UDS cookers .. even used the bottom of a cannibalized kettle to make a slow roller for my akorn. I'm always thinking. Lol..the only downside would be cooking space.. other than that. It's my preferred choice.. I liked ur insight and input.. keep these vids coming

[@jeffpiper4208]

Love your honesty. I have 3 different Webers ( genesis gas, smoky mountain, and kettle). Just bought the kettle this spring and it's fast become my favorite. Like you said it does everything pretty well. From burgers to pork shoulder. No cash or room for a summit charcoal, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't love one.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks, Jeff. I totally hear you. Like I said I think most people are normal and don't need to spend upwards of $2K on a cooker when they can get just about as much done on a versatile kettle. You're combination of cookers covers more ground than the Summit does anyways so looks like you are set to me. lol. Justin

[@adamlugo7798]

LOVE THIS! 4yrs later and it's still very helpful

[@mcflotty]

It’s funny after watching a bazillion grilling and smoking videos and having grilled and smoked a long time as well, I think for a starter, going with something that serves a couple masters isn’t a bad idea. The Webber kettle for example will grill direct, or indirect anything you want. It also hangs in the smoking department. It also appears that the level of attention required is the same as with things more specifically designed for smoking. It’s just where there’s a will, there’s a way. I think if you don’t have much money and would like to dip your toe, a kettle of some sort may be a fine place to start? See if you like it, and if you love it, keep going. Let what your using grow as your skill set and finances grow. The is a great channel. Thank you for all the posts and extremely useful advice.

[@dansong.tolman2793]

I agree, am really happy with Summit after 2 BGE (xl & l). Replacing ceramic parts is $. The Summit, as you say, is a really great option. Alson charcoal consumption is pretty close. Love it!

[@Modmans_2nd_coming]

I know this is older, but thanks a lot for this analysis! I bought an Akorn as a "starter" so I could get familiar with the style of grilling/smoking before I actually dropped real cash on one of the three you mentioned here. I really want to go with the Summit. I feel like it will last me decades without problems.....Weber....the Apple of grills.

[@Janmann2007]

First of all thanks a lot Justin for the extensive explanation. It's a great help, I'm right not in the process of deciding what of those I should get. It's invaluable to have someone who both knows what they're doing AND also happened to use all the kettles over a longer period of time. I can't say I'm unhappy with you picking the WSC first, it's also the one I'll most likely get. Here in Germany, the WSC is also pretty good value (I mentioned that in a comment that was way to long on another video of yours), selling at 2k and 2.5k with table. I know it sounds very expensive, but that's due to shipping, customs and sales tax. The other name brand Kamados are even more expensive. I don't know that the Weber is the best value (I think everybody oughta figure that out themselves), but it's pretty good for what you get. I even saw an offer for about 1.6k. Including the above mentioned factors for importing the WSC, that's pretty close to your ideal price of 1.2k and 1.5k respectively. Oh and one last thing. Really appreciate you still finding the time to answer as many comments as you can (which is almost all of them) even though you're past the 10k subscriber mark.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks, Jan-Alexander, Going to continue to do this as long as I can. As you can tell, sometimes it takes me a while to get back to them because they pile up so fast nowadays. It's kind of ironic. My favorite thing about KZbin is watching my friends videos and interacting with my subs but the longer I do KZbin the less time I have for either of those things. I appreciate you noticing. Justin

[@tjdinfl]

Awesome video as always! Your videos are what made me really sit up and pay attention to the Weber and ultimately order it. That was before I even knew this one existed. I ordered today and will receive it in a couple days. Keep doing what you do, it is awesome!

[@sideyardbarbecue3214]

Here's my grill line up. (Lower middle class style). Weber 26", Weber 22", 14" Weber smokey mountain. The rotisserie on 22" brings it all together.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Nice line up. Do you have the Weber or Cajun Bandit rotisserie? I have one for my jumbo joe. I need to pull it out. Justin

[@sideyardbarbecue3214]

Weber, also wok and skillet for the 22'. Theres nothing like cooking chili on the grill. Saving up for the slow and sear. I have a smokenator but slow and sear looks like it works better. Coals go out on smokenator too much

[@BabyBackManiac]

When you get your hands on a Slow N sear, the comparisons made between it and the smokenator will seem comical in hindsight. You notice it the moment you take it out of the box. Justin

[@BigKiwiBBQ]

I can see you have had issues with the BGE. Me on the other hand have had none, and I have two large and one mini-max. The past 8 years, not one issue with an accident or a defect. I guess it all depends on how the dice roll. I have a nice flat concrete slab to roll on, so no issues there and I have a storage area for my plate setters and grates to keep them form becoming a victim. I think that your video is great for your opinion on the three, it is surely helpful for those on the fence. I appreciate you making this. Cheers!

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks Ken. They are great cookers. I love that we all have options. I appreciate your feedback.

[@erniecypert4730]

Good job Justin i just got my Weber Summit Charcoal grill and i guess the 2 things that really stuck out was how heavy the charcoal grate is and i was surprised just how heavy the heat diffuser is i never expected it to be so rugged. Your videos helped my decide on the Weber thank's for everything.

[@BabyBackManiac]

My pleasure. Glad you found it helpful. Justin

[@RayMacksKitchenandGrill]

awesome video my frienvd... my favorite grill or smoker is my cinder block pit definitely one of the best cooker I've ever owned.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Yeah, my uncle has one of those. He fed everybody who came to my cousins wedding on it. It was awesome. It's not a smoker...more of a grill. I love stuff like that. I plan to make one of those some day.

[@brucespradlin9626]

Baby Back Maniac

[@smcordy]

This! I built a $125 pit big and tall enough for low temps and love it. Eventually I'll piece together a video of the build, for now pics are on FB: Papa Cordy's Extra Meaty Grill Shacc LOL

[@wayneking5985]

The one thing that I really like about you is that you reply to all the people who respond to your videos. You respect your audience. There are many food video makers who seem to have their reply button turned off. Thank you for your respect.

[@BabyBackManiac]

I try too but the volume of comments and messages has gotten to the point where it’s hard. Several hours every day. I won’t be able to much longer but I do what I can.

[@mgalan16]

great video. I started out on a 21" Webber kettle grill and have progressively moved up several times until I got to the Big Joe. I've cooked hundreds of pounds delicious meats on all of them. at the high end grills i think they will all perform about the same assuming your a somewhat decent cook. it really just comes down to personal preference.

[@BabyBackManiac]

I totally agree. 100%. I hope that came across in this video even though I'm not sure I said it explicitly. That why I gave the pros and cons and my rationale. That way, if someone sees things differently, they can go a different direction. Justin

[@BEERNBBQBYLARRY]

I've never owned a green egg, but I never liked that their grate was below the lip of the main body nor their way of nickel and diming you for every little piece of the grill. "Oh you want a stand for it? Pay me!" " Oh you want a deflector plate? Pay me!". Thanks for your commentary on all three of these. You failed to mention your Komodo Kamado. Yes I remember. LOL

[@BabyBackManiac]

lol. The one I left out of the video was "oh, you want a cart that doesn't tip over? Forget that, but if you pay me for $150 for a "handler" you'll at least have something to grab on it's way down." That said, BGE is a good product. They just need to innovate more. Justin

[@EricPetersen2922]

BEER-N-BBQ by Larry this comment cost me $12,000. I never heard of Komodo Kamado until this comment. I googled that and I ended up buying the 42” with bronze tiles and every accessory. Thank you! 17028806100 if u like to meet me. Best regards:)

[@timmartinez135]

I am a BGE guy and you took the words right out of my mouth, I too am frustrated by them not being innovative - I actually spoke to Bruce @ BGE about my frustrations and he told me big changes were coming summer '18 ... well, we'll see, Im looking to upgrade and if I don't see anything new and different coming down the pipeline - Kamado Joe here I come!

[@thebuckeyebbq5424]

Tim Martinez you won't be sorry. I received a kj classic as a gift to go along with my xl egg and can't believe how much nicer the kj is. Not only is it nicer the guy who owns the company actually cooks. If I could find a buyer for my xl egg it would be gone so that I could by a big joe.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Ryan, I don't know where you live but here in Dallas you could put that on Craigslist and sell it in a matter of hours. That is one area where BGE still definitely has Kamado Joe beat. Bigger brand = Better resale.

[@BabyBackManiac]

interesting. Did he give you any hints to what they are planning? I'm so intrigued! Justin

[@thebuckeyebbq5424]

Baby Back Maniac I live in northeast Ohio. Not exactly a hot bed of grilling

[@BabyBackManiac]

lol

[@shumardi1]

You should drink something more healthy like beer.

[@BabyBackManiac]

lol. You're probably right

[@lunatrics]

Whisky is healthy

[@JOShaugh87]

I bought a Kamado Joe because of these videos, everyone has an egg. So far so good!

[@jeremyhale303]

How is the smoke flavor on something like a weber summit? Thinking of buying one but I've been burned in the past with some smokers that just don't produce much of a smoke flavor. Thanks

[@Gquebbqco]

Video of Dave crapping a brick would be epic particularly with your editing. Eggsclent Overview BBM!

[@BabyBackManiac]

You should have seen the text Dave sent me when he saw that. If what he said was true, I was glad there was no video. lol. Have a great rest of the week, Jason.

[@JJarman]

Great video! I’ve been a BGE owner for 15 years and love my BGE! However, I recognized that same complacency long ago in their business model.

[@gboyce975]

I've owned a large BGE for 9 years. Busted a dome about 5 years ago due to the substandard hinge and hardware, $300 to replace. Now, I'm finally ready to replace my cracked firebox and my dealer is giving me a hard time on covering due to not having the original receipt. Recently I'd been getting ready to add an XL to my collection, looks like I will be looking into the Big Joe and the Weber Summit. Not sure any local vendors sell the Weber though.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Hi Gabriel, Yeah, I've heard that story several times, unfortunately. I've never understood why you have to keep your receipt AFTER you register the grill. It's not that I think the BGE warranty is worthless or anything, but it's much more limited than most people realize when they buy the cooker which is frustrating because that's often the main reason people use to in their finds to justify the purchase. ("Yeah, it's expensive, but at least it has a lifetime warranty.") Justin

[@dahveed284]

An interesting video and I have a short attention span. I've cooked on Weber Kettles most of my life. Now I'm using the Kamado Big Joe (I tell non-grill people I have a "Big Red Egg"). I looked at the BGE, but by the time you get to adding all the accessories, its $200-300 more than the joe. And I hate to be nickel and dimed. You're paying premium money for a grill, it should come from the factory with all the bells and whistles. I purchased my Joe from a Costco special event and it came complete. I love the divide and conquer cooking system. This is something that BGE does not offer and I love (probably due to my years cooking on a kettle). The Joe will probably be the last grill/smoker I ever buy. It should last long enough to see the end of my grilling career. If a chunk of a soviet satellite falls from space and breaks it, I'm going to take that as an omen that I should quit grilling. Now the bad news. I'm 55. I only have 1 more year of watching your channel and then I'll be too old...

[@BabyBackManiac]

This is the funniest comment of the day. Thanks for the laughs. Not too old..."Expanding my demographics." lol. 95 percent male 80 percent between the ages of 25-55. My theory is we are almost all dudes cooking for our families...that's how we got here. Justin

[@lemham4565]

@@BabyBackManiac Justin, I'm 71 yrs old lol

[@tinaentz8185]

One of the most knowledgeable discussions on the subject ever. Your critical thinking comes through. I have a large BGE (love it), but I agree with you. Keep the good work up.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks, Tina. That means a lot to me.

[@dk7295]

Call me function over form, but I think that the webber summit looks sweet. It's a classic look. Nice post and insight.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks, Dan. I think it looks nice too in spite of the things I mentioned. I've just seen enough people walk up to the KJ and the Summit (and seen their different reactions) to know one is more visually impressive to the average person. Justin

[@Furree_68]

Nice talk Justin. Lots of good info from a first hand user. A lot of times you just hear people say that "they have heard that.. " but you know, because you have them all and have used the different grills side by side. That's always the best argument in a discussion, to be able to say: "- Yes I have" Thanks for this video.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks Furree, Yeah that was one of the driving forces behind this video, actually. Not many people are in a position to say that who aren't trying to sell you something. I'm glad it helped. Justin

[@pmbogaard]

Great video ! As a long time big green egg owner I was overwhelmed with Joes latest improvements, sell the egg an get a Joe, put it my marine grade table an continue Wrong ! I thought it was a huge financial difference , not with extras! I'm going to watch again your Weber Summit videos again, I can relate to all your comparisons and reasoning, I hope there is a market for egg , accessories, an table! Thanks your best yet ( except with Troy )

[@BabyBackManiac]

It will sell instantly on craigslist...at least around here. BGE has great resale value. If you have a Costco near you, you should be able to get a pretty decent discount if you can catch a KJ road show. With that said, BGE is a great grill. Justin

[@MelloHubb]

Took a vacation off from work and it feels like all I have been doing is watching babybackmaniac, troy cooks, atbbq and killer hogs.. How do you like your komodo kamado compared to these kamados in the video? I haven't watched a video yet of you using it. Also, I fully agree with what you said. If Weber lowered the price on the summit it would absolutely corner the market. I bought a KJBJ2 and a KJJR for less than the summit was going for at the time. If it was the same or cheaper than the kjbj it would be in my backyard right now for sure.

[@BabyBackManiac]

I sold it. The Komodo Kamado is nicer and built out of better materials but I prefer the more traditional size and shape of the ones I mentioned. I just find them more practical and easier to use day-to-day. It's little things like tool hooks, emptying ash, distance between the firebox and the main grate, and what's required to split the firebox (and other stuff like that) that makes me prefer them....and (to use your example) for the price you could buy all 3 kamado Joes AND the summit and still have money leftover for the price of the KK. It didn't make sense for me to keep it when I wasn't completely in love with it.

[@00fluxone]

there is a reason the Weber has been so popular.... I just bought a used Kamado after using weber for decades.... only reason is I wanted more stable temps for more complex smokes... the weber is stable as long as its warm out and not windy... the kamado is rock solid

[@mckeon1960]

I have to say I love the look of the summit, I love the silver handle and Ash catcher, it's large round and if it could smile, it would. Makes me feel happy 😊 I have a kettle mastertouch, a smokey hour a smaller kamado and was thinking of the summit, think my husband would like the look but he'd go mad if I get another one. The gas lighter on the summit ruins the look of it, you have this beautiful grill with a big silver box stuck on the side to light it. Throw in a good torch. It's there a rotisserie for the summit of us I think I'll add to my little weber family. Thank you for great videos

[@Smirnoff44]

Nicest guy on KZbin, and his videos are always good I love this channel keep it going Justin 👍👍

[@CRAWFORD147]

Totally agree Justin, Summit charcoal is definitely different level

[@Sylmardal]

Justin - My second comment. I think what you say about the BGE company being complacent also can be said about Weber and it's Smokey Mountain design team. They have a great concept, but as a smoker it uses too much charcoal because of all the leaks and the stupid concept of heating water to lower temp's. I can't figure out why the lips of the outside rings are designed to catch water instead of shed water, or why Weber hasn't upgraded it's flimsy door.

[@KCWanderlust]

Levi & I were out at the hardware store just a few days ago. He noticed the Mini Egg (he really wants one), and I noticed the price. I think "Are you freaking kidding me?" was what I said... Out loud... For everyone within earshot to hear. $400.00 for something smaller than a simple Jumbo Joe. Nope, I'm really not a fan of BGE (but I do kinda' like their salt & pepper shakers). 😆

[@BabyBackManiac]

Yeah, did you happen to see the price of the minimax? I got one in a trade almost for free. When I did my review, I was doing research and found out it was almost 700 dollars. I too said "Are you freaking kidding me?" I still like it and I"m glad I got it how I did. Jumbo Joe makes more sense on a lot of levels though.

[@MikeSmith-oy8cm]

I love your videos and watch all that I can. You are funny and do great presentations. How come you leave us old guys out of the demographics (I'm almost 70) and love to cook. Does that mean I am 14 years out of my prime? LOL. I am an offset stick burner smoker guy and recently used the Weber kettle (which was my prime cooker in my young days) and I am thinking about adding one to my collection, have 2 additional gas grills now. Your comparison of the various Weber's helped me in my thinking. Just can't see forking out the money for your favorite Weber. Thank you for your videos and keep 'em coming.

[@BabyBackManiac]

LOL, Mike. I don't leave out the old guys...or the ladies. They leave me out...apparently. It kind of surprised me too. Maybe youtube's demographic info is wrong. However, let me just say I'm really glad you are here and I appreciate you watching. Also, I don't blame you for not forking out the money. The price is expensive and the kettles do a great job. Justin

[@robingriffeath6111]

Thanks for this video. It was exactly what I was looking for on the WSCG. I like this format for what it's worth. This is a nice change up to the cooking videos. A bit like Troy. Good stuff 👍

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks, Robin. Yeah, I didn't really realize how much it was like Troy's videos until I watched it later. I decided to go with it. Glad you liked it. Justin

[@chanceculver4753]

I spent a lot of money arriving at the same conclusion. Wife says we only have room for one grill and I landed on the Summit Charcoal.

[@raytbrown2]

lol - I'm 46 and the "Wife Question" was exactly how the decision was made for our household. I was leaning heavy for the Joe, but she liked the BGE because it "fit our backyard more than the red". Wasn't even thinking about that. We ended up getting it with the teak table option as, "it fits the whole backyard theme better, too". Really wasn't considering that, at all. So, now I have the a better setup than I had been practicing the speech for in the first place -- all because I asked her, "which one do you like from a look & feel prospective"?

[@BabyBackManiac]

I know, right?!? When I was a younger man, I would have laughed at myself for saying that, but at 41 years of age, I have learned that "happy wife, happy life" is more than just a pithy rhyme. lol. justin

[@LetsGetCoffee]

One year later, does this still ring true for you? I'm currently at this crossroads and would love to hear your opinion after a year has passed. Thank you for the insight.

[@mikeruizesparza1514]

Totally agree, the Weber 27” is King. It really is capable of any barbecue you can think of. Besides, Weber and other providers offer a big range of supplies such as Slow n Sear, etc... with this kettele I can feed me and wife or my whole family of 12 happy human beings. Also price is honestly so fair and guarantee is best in the market

[@Lemiwinks55]

I 100% agree with the complacency statement. I bought a Kamado Joe a few years back. I want a new one because of all the improvements they've made!

[@BabyBackManiac]

Yeah they have no shortage of ideas. I like that.

[@larrydunn2062]

I agree with you as well, I want a new one for the hinge alone !

[@G3ekbox]

Larry Dunn and the oven grade wire gasket.

[@tomdonaghy8757]

You do good work. Thanks for sharing. Two requests: 1. Don’t quit. 2. Don’t change.

[@gerard9128]

I like your honesty justin i know you wanted to make sure you didn't offend any model but you made sense long winded lol but i know choices have to taken in account And price is a big choice I'm 75 i couldn't afford the summit and i had the Kamado joe but its heavy and had few problems with cracking as you stated , after few years they did make some good improvements but i still got rid of it I have the 22.5 kettle and do all the cooks and with the sear/slow i get great cooks. Thanks again and take a beer and Relax lol jerry

[@BabyBackManiac]

Hi Jerry, You can't beat the kettle/sns combination...especially for the money. One of the reason I sold my old KJ was because the lid was too heavy for me. I think you'd like this new one though. The hinge is crazy good. That said, nothing beats the value of a kettle. Have a great week, my friend. Justin

[@mcbroon2]

I’m pretty New to the BBQ Scene and would just like to say a BIG thanks to all the helpful advise and tips you bring in your Videos Many Thanks from Malcolm in the UK 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks

[@xr8brisbane]

Love your videos. So many amazing comparisons and cooking tests plus you’re such a genuine bloke. Keep it up

[@fredeb67]

Sir you are absolutely right, BGE has all the things/ options now that you stated. Excellent review.

[@NoHippieBBQCooking]

you are 100% correct at the 21:00 mark. I think Weber had that priced a little high for most people. I think that price actually pissed off Weber fans. I remember the forums when it came out, and there was some backlash that made some resent Weber in general nice points

[@BabyBackManiac]

I hear you, Lyle. I wouldn't have bought it either except for one thing. I was so in love with my Performer than I promised myself if they ever came out with a 26 inch version, I'd buy it. When this came out, I realized whether it does well or bombs, there is no way in the world Weber was going to make a 26 Performer hat looks just like it. I went ahead and bought it figuring I'd at least give it a shot. Like you, I can work Craigslist pretty good so I figure I'd just sell it later if I didn't like it. I have no intention of ever selling it. lol. Have a great rest of the week man. Justin

[@NoHippieBBQCooking]

you made a lot of points that i don't think a lot of people consider when comparing the weber to the other komado style smokers. i know nothing about them myself, so it was very useful.

[@BabyBackManiac]

I glad it helped. I think a lot of what I was trying to say (and some I didn't say) is stuff you don't realize until you have had several and it's just not practical for most people do that...because it's insane.lol So I figured I'd take a stab at explaining it. Have a great rest of the week.

[@Harleyforever20]

I know I’m a lot late to the party on this one…. I have ALWAYS wanted a Kamado cooker. I have been cooking on Weber products for over thirty years. I currently have a 22” performer AND a Lone Star 24x48 with some upgrades. I’m looking HARD at the smaller Summit. To me and my situation it makes more sense to have the smaller version. What I really want to know is, what features of the grill itself do I loose when I go to the little one?? Can I still use a temp controller? Are there other things I can or cannot do? That’s what I really want to know to make a informed choice. Thanks JH.

[@rdaffon23]

I like this format. Feels def more like having a conversation with a friend to get their expertise. I just subscribed! This is extremely helpful because I'm in the market for a kamado style grill. Have you ever the used a grill called The Blaze?

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks for subbing. I haven't used it but it looks really interesting to me. If they built it right, it could be a game changer in the long run. What do you think? Justin

[@rdaffon23]

Baby Back Maniac I think you're right. It could be a game changer. I'm wondering if ceramic is better for temp control than The Blaze's alum alloy.

[@BabyBackManiac]

I wonder the same thing. I feel like alum will radiate heat faster. I'm not sure what that means for over all temp control though.

[@SmokedReb]

I thought I was watching a T-Roy Thursday chat for a second. just kidding, great info Justin!

[@BabyBackManiac]

I know, right? I just need the little travel trailer in the background and some wind chimes and I'm golden. lol. Thanks for watching, Brian.

[@drunkass77]

I have an akorn grill and think it cooks awesome. I wish it was a little bit bigger though. You gotta cut racks of ribs in half to get them to fit good. Besides that i think it's pretty good. I've never used a weber though

[@BabyBackManiac]

Weber's are fantastic cookers for the money. Thanks for watching, Matt.

[@krehbein]

I had the Akorn for a while but it started rusting out after a couple years.

[@cz1mmt]

Buying a ceramic Komodo? I suggest getting a size bigger than you think you need. If you fill the grill area you choke off the air flow limiting your temperature needs to the slow cook range.

[@paula.2422]

Once again, thank you for a great video Justin. I love the detail and honesty with all the info you give. I have to think of a way to justify adding another grill/smoker to the collection....Weber really is pricing themselves into a MUCH smaller market. Thanks again for your great work.

[@BabyBackManiac]

I agree, Paul. I don't understand how they do it with a straight face. With that said, it's still my favorite cooker and I honestly think if they charged about half what they did they would have the lion's share of the kamado market by now.

[@SpLiC3]

Very informative from a man who has used these on a daily basis, exactly the sort of reviews i was after. Weber it seems are still the dominant force in the bbq world.

[@BabyBackManiac]

First off, thank you. secondly, yeah, Weber is HUGE. It's really hard to wrap the brain around how big they are.

[@seikibrian8641]

@@BabyBackManiac Weber has been an amazing success, especially considering that the first ones were just made from converted buoy parts, and that grills weren't originally the company's focus.

[@davidfuertes1973]

justin another informative video .videos like this are the reason why I call you, T-roy, daddy Cooks, heavy metal BBQ ,Malcom Reed and the BBQ Pit Boys you guys the Titan's of grilling cuz you guys really know your stuff and you guys love grilling. Keep making videos I'll keep watching brother man have a good one

[@BabyBackManiac]

I'm just honored you put me in the list with those guys. I don't know Malcom or BBQPB personally but I do the other 3 and they are great guys. Justin

[@thebuckeyebbq5424]

Amazing video Justin. Love how straight forward and honest you were. I'm the proud owner of a few cookers, and my favorites our my KJ classic and Joe Jr( that's actually my daughters).

[@BabyBackManiac]

Nothing wrong with having multiple options, right? That's at least what I tell my wife every time I bring a new cooker home. lol. Thanks for watching, Ryan. Justin

[@GrillinandChillinwithColeman]

Great evaluation my friend. I own a KJ and love it. It has helped me to become a better back yard griller. Learning a lot from your channel.

[@vccnapa]

I can't imagine having only 1 cooker... so my choices are: the weber kettle with the slow and sear... love it! AND the Kamado Joe Classic on a JJ George table... really love it! Can't go wrong with those two. I love Weber products but like you said I have a hard time paying that kind of money for something that looks like a webber kettle. Thanks for the great videos... keep them coming!

[@BabyBackManiac]

I don't blame you. In fact, that's about the 10th time today I've heard someone say it looked like a kettle. I know Weber watches my stuff so I'm hoping they see this because when I told them I hear that all the time, they told me they have never heard it. Crazy, huh? I think they are facelift and price drop away from taking over, but for whatever reason that's not what they want to do. Thanks for watching! Justin

[@vccnapa]

love your stuff... keep it up.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks!

[@MrRooky13]

Great video as always! I work at a BBQ/Grill restaurant and we use the latest version of the Kamado Joe Big Joe(actually we use two of them) and about those fireboxes in the Kamado Joe... they truly are great and definitely an improvement over the old ones BUT there is one problem about them and it's the metal ring that holds it together - it bends and warps and when that hapens you have to bend it back in place or your firebox will fall apart. And yes I realize that in the restaurant they go through heavy use and that the grill is at 250-300 degrees Celsius for about 10 to 12 hours a day but still I just wish the ring would be made out of thicker, more durable metal so that it wouldn't warp! Anyways I just thought I would let you know what can happen after heavy usage Also the gasket came off on one of the grills

[@BabyBackManiac]

That's great info! I think restaurant use is a great way to test them. I kind feel the same way about display models in stores. When I see little crap broken off, you can say "Well, it's a display." or you can say "That's what 10 years of use will look like." lol. How long did it take the gasket to fail and was it just the one (of 2)?

[@MrRooky13]

Baby Back Maniac We got both of them two weeks ago...so not long at all, the gasket came of on the one we fire up every day, the other one we fire up when we have a lot of reservations and in the weekends. I should say though that we got the new fireboxes a month ago and used them in the old models until we got the new ones

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks for the feedback, Rok. I appreciate it.

[@lennyg7771]

Our local Kamado Joe dealer said that because ceramic is porous, after using it for a few times, the ceramic imparts a smokey flavour to the meat. This makes it taste better. What are your feelings about this?

[@bacormier]

Aftermarket parts voiding the warranty ? Tell them it's a grill , not a Harley-Davidson.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Don't get me started. lol. I actually looked that up right before I filmed this just to make sure they didn't change their minds. It's still there...mind blowing. The irony is though I don't know much about Harley-Davidson, there was a time when they were the text book example of a company that acted like that and they turned it around by making process improvements at the front line people. Crazy, huh?

[@yournewlowrate]

Hey Justin, I just wanted to say I really like who you are. Your videos are fun to watch and just seeing you being a good and happy family friendly kind of guy really makes me admire the kind of person you are. Keep up the good work and you have another subscriber!

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks, bud. I really appreciate it.

[@tomstestkitchen]

I agree with you on the comparison of BGE and Kamado Joe, I always thought Kamado Joe was more innovative and always improving. Personally I have a GrillDome and love it.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Seems like a nice product.

[@shinyconcepts3805]

2021? Do you still feel the same? About to pull the trigger on charcoal for the first time. Outdoor kitchen has a 36 black stone already but it needs a grill/smoker. Love the great breakdown but wanted to see if you had a new favorite since this comparison.

[@cindykee3719]

The current pricing is $2150 for a Weber Summit Kamado S6 and $1250 for the E6 - so it costs $900 for a cart?!! I wonder how they justify that much price uplift for the cart (and the propane lighter). This is the grill I will probably buy, but I am not likely to pay the extra $900 for the cart! Do you have any information on why they priced it so high and is it worth it? Or should I just spend $300-500 for a standalone cart/table?

[@mikkoolin]

Thanks for the good comparison video! Really interesting content and I like the format. In my opinion the best thing about your channel is that you are giving honest opinions to your viewers. Also when it might not be the easiest thing to do like in Weber Smoke Fire videos.. I really appreciate it! 👍 I have at the moment only WSM. Love that in smoking, but planning to get also something for searing / direct grilling. My opinions are Weber Master-Touch GBS Premium E-5775 or Summit. Master touch would be way cheaper that Summit and I could continue smoke with WSM, but on the other hand Summit could do both.. Hmm, I'll continue whatching your videos during the winter time (here in Finland) and make the decision after few months. So keep on going and good luck for the 2020! 👍

[@bring.us.together]

Great content and format. I’m considering an XL Egg with wood table, versus the Summit Charcoal. The standard equipped Weber is actually the same price as as the Xl, table, with all the necessary accessories. Which would be your preference, considering I can get both for the same price? Thank you!

[@BabyBackManiac]

My personal preference would be the summit but I think I'm in the minority. LOL

[@BabyBackManiac]

Watch my review of the Weber Summit charcoal grill and you will see my reasons.

[@mschlossmann]

I appreciate your review. I would like to add, with regards to the storage issue, if you have a covered area, buy an island online. It was about $120 and I added several hooks to the outside for storing tools.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Interesting. Thanks for the tip.

[@HeavyMetalBarBQue]

You mean to tell Me……For 29 minutes, I listened to Your pros and cons of these oxygen deprived style smokers….. and you recommend …... "Ask the Wife on what She Likes"!?!? What?????!!!!!!!! :-) Nice job! This was very informative! Hope people out there are taking notes and learning from your experiences. Your disclosure is admirable! Smoke On Brother! \m/

[@BabyBackManiac]

lol. Thanks man. As for it being admirable. I really appreciate you saying that, but honestly I think it's important. I got completely burned by a guy who was doing reviews and never revealed he was getting paid. I bought the stuff he was recommending and it was terrible. I was lucky it wasn't a lot of money, but that's the last thing I want to do to someone else. It's just the way I'm wired, I guess. Have a great rest of the week. Justin

[@bigdon37]

Why is the big green egg twice the price of the kamado?? Is the ceramic or outershell better quality? Anybody have and honest answer? Beside the brand name and being the first to sell those!!!

[@dmb3428]

just the comparison I was looking for, used weber stuff for decades and they are solid....trying to talk myself into one of these options , my gut tells me to stick to weber but those ceramic cookers have always intrigued my interest

[@bradleyvanscoik2838]

Having 4 cookers myself (all weber) my wife would kill me if I got a Summit!!! WSM, 22in kettle, 3 burner Gas, and a Q-2000. Great videos!!

[@BabyBackManiac]

Sounds like you are all set! My wife would kill me too. KZbin opened up the rules a lot around here. lol Justin

[@richardcross9123]

Justin, I liked the format and your analysis of the grills/companies. You're so right about BGE Company being the slow moving market leader taking their customers for granted. It's much more fun to get onboard with the innovative upstart companies and all their product improvements over the old standard ceramic. I agree with you about the Summit. An excellent product, I just wish they priced it down where it should be. But even given it's inflated price, it's my next acquisition target (perhaps that means it's properly priced after all or I wouldn't go for it?). I've lost two BGE's over the years to mishaps. One by a mover where it arrived in pieces. And once when I was rolling it and it caught a sidewalk bump and tipped over. Ceramic sucks at times like those. Summit it is.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks Richard, People who haven't owned them probably thought I was making that up so I really appreciate the comment. It's also exactly why I mentioned the way the cart works when moving it. No "handler" needed to prevent it from tipping. That was another thing that I noticed about Kamado Joe right way. Instead of selling you a part to keep it from tipping, they just made a better cart! but I felt like I had already made my point and there was no need to dwell on it. lol.

[@Flyingbikes748]

Saving up for the new Kamado Joe! I can't wait to move up from my Akorn.

[@BabyBackManiac]

You'll love it. The Akorn is a great deal for the money, but the temp control is a lot better with the KJ. Justin

[@Flyingbikes748]

It's been great learning the basics with it, but I really like the capabilities of the ceramic grills in terms of temperature ranges.

[@mgalan16]

Cory Morgan I've had my big Joe for a couple months. I've only got minor complaints. my bottom plate for my fire box cracked. I'll see how they do with regards to the warranty.

[@TheMaggieMia]

Gave my son the Akorn... and ordered the Akorn Jr for myself. He’s feeding far more people than I do and that bigger Komodo was great when 1 or both sons were living here but now that I am finally back to myself, it was just too big.

[@jackwilson1245]

Justin, you need to fix your affiliate link to the Summit Charcoal Grill, it links to a grill at the old price.

[@preputnick]

Would love to see which Kamado Joe accessories fit the Weber. Joetisserie specifically

[@mitchhaunn8400]

Good video Justin, I recently got a Big Green Egg however I still gravitate to the Weber Kettle 75 percent of the time especially if you want a versatile grill that is easy to move around and want to cook something simple like hamburgers and hot dogs. Thanks for the video!

[@elgeras31]

Just picked up the Weber summit grilling center for $1499 at my local hardware store. First cook was great on it and look forward to continue to use it.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Great deal. Glad you are enjoying it! Justin

[@wolverinegnr]

Do you like the Weber kamado or the lone star Santa Maria better. Trying to decide which one of the two to get and figured you can help with your experience from both. Thanks

[@loukolomatis1136]

This is great Justin! Extremely helpful. Format is perfect... and yes if ones heart is set on what ones heart wants, nothing else will satisfy

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks Louis. Yeah, I think people should get what they really want. It may not end up being what they thought it would be but at least they won't always wonder. Plus, it could be amazing! lol Justin

[@Paparoach-hc6il]

I have a 22inch Weber Kettle and a 14inch WSM. I love the Weber products and I keep waiting on the Summit to drop in price but, i don't think thats going to happen. Great video and very informative, have a good day.

[@BabyBackManiac]

I don't think it's going to drop in price either, man. It's not Weber's way of doing things. It probably won't go up in price either though. They seem to find price points and stick with them until a major revision. Justin

[@triaxe-mmb]

I have wanted to get feedback on the changes they made to the Summit Charcoal to change it to the Summit Kamado...do you still recommend it as highly?

[@jasonsulewski8215]

Agreed with all points on BGE vs Kamado. I want the Weber Summit but DAMN it's expensive.

[@sonnyducks]

Great video Justin (Frisco in the house here....thanks T-Roy for letting me know about your channel).

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks Craig! Great to have you on board. T-roy is awesome. I've had a lot of new people from him having me over. The best video is coming up on Tuesday. Justin

[@jjustice2005]

Been debating whether to get a BGE or Weber Summit. This video officially pushed me over to the Summit. And you're right...for $2k...make manufacturing improvements!

[@BabyBackManiac]

I know, right? lol. Thanks for watching, Jason. I'm glad you found it helpful.

[@sillery3439]

I love my Weber kettle I’ve cooked burgers, steaks and chicken also did a 8 hour smoked Boston butt. I really want a summit the BGE is ugly to me. Great review man!

[@kevinfromcali7062]

Justin I enjoyed your video very much, I bought my kamado Joe classic last year and one of the main reasons was the Big Green Egg people simply didn't give you the same options and versatility, and they want you to purchase every little accessory that should come with the grill and that your seems really chintzy I think you're right they're going to put themselves out of the number one slot for sales. one last thing I watched you and T-Roy together doing the Thursday video and you guys comment about how the kamado didn't seem to smoke very well at lower temperatures I was shocked I had absolutely no problem whatsoever getting excellent smoke on my Meats and everything turns out fantastic in part due to your and Troy's instructional videos so again I must thank you guys for that anyway to keep up the good work.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Thanks Kevin, It's not so much that there isn't smoke flavor as much as there isn't as much as with some other types of cookers. Still tastes great though and it's definitely great at holding low temps. Thank you for the kind words, my friend. I really appreciate you telling me that. Justin

[@kevinfromcali7062]

Respectfully Justin more of something isn't necessarily better, for me it comes down to Personal Taste if I add more smoke wood i get more smoke in the beginning when I had my kamado I added too much and had more smoke and I had to back it off, the way you made it sound in your Thursday talk was discouraging to people that might be considering buying a kamado because they don't smoke as well, that's my only concern with this reply is you have to be careful not to give people the wrong impression you're in a position of influence and people respect the power of your words, that being said I love you and Troy's show very much and I will continue to watch it. Keep up the good work.

[@BabyBackManiac]

Kevin, I'll have to go back and watch it again. I don't remember exactly what I said. I feel the question was from someone complaining about not getting enough smoke out of their kamado and I was listing ways to improve on it. One of my suggestions was just to recognize that kamados strengths are they are good at everything but not necessarily the best at anything. So there are dedicated pizza cookers and smokers that do a better job at their tasks but can't do everything like a kamado can. Dedicated smokers like stick burners would provide more smoke flavor for someone who feels like it's lacking. They are also typically bigger and can hold a lot more meat. That's not a knock against the kamado. It just is what it is. I love my kamados. I cook on them more than anything else.

[@scotthanson7840]

"analysis paralysis." You perfectly summed up my problem. I'm putting in an outdoor kitchen with two grills. Can't decide.

[@BabyBackManiac]

You can't make a bad choice these days. Go with the one you really want...or your wife likes looking at. lol

[@scotthanson7840]

@@BabyBackManiac I pulled the trigger.......Komado Joe Big Chef II and a Napoleon 500. My wife will like the blue and red lights on the Napoleon. I will also probably keep my old and beat up traeger. I love to deep smoke meats prior to throwing them onto charcoal or gas.

[@MrBingping]

You mention the price of the summit and I agree, but have you ever tried a weber ranch? I seriously have no idea how they can justify the $1500 price on that thing. It's just a giant original series kettle

[@planetkendrickwoodworking]

I agree, BGE was the top Dog and only Dog for years and they got complacent and comfortable and allowed the competition to make much needed improvements…while they did nothing. The awful thing is, they made a conscious decision not to make needed improvements because there was no competition…. And no reason to do the right thing. I have a large BGE but i wouldn’t buy another. I’m actually looking at the Weber summit and other brands. Thanks for your video.