Big Love - Barb is excommunicated

[@nofirstgonzalez7888]

I hope Mormons will watch this series and learn what their church is really about.

[@fredroberts8275]

Nah, the mormons are right about this. Polygamy is worth excommunicating over. Now, expelling even people have just done minor criticism is a lot worse.

[@francescadesmond8846]

Such an exceptional series.

[@iloveamerica007]

Barb was such an honest and good character who only wanted to make her husband and family happy. That in it self was good enough but deep down she really longed for something else. She sacrificed so much for Bill and the family and they were so ungrateful to her. The ending was great, she was liberated.

[@deeplynluv]

This is why your relationship with God should be personal and not based upon what someone else your relationship should be like.

[@thomasshort1784]

@deeplynluv Not only that, if I don't find it written in the Bible, I won't regard, much less abide by, it whatsoever! As far as I'm concerned, IF it's something God Himself doesn't care about, why should I?! Furthermore, even if I were formally associated with ANY church, I wouldn't consider myself accountable to it's leader(s) for my actions, LEAST OF ALL concerning my private life (that's between God, myself and whoever else may or may not be involved with that aspect of my life) and if they wanted to "excommunicate" me or have a "trial" (hmm, I didn't know I was under arrest; nevertheless, may God forgive if what I'm saying as sarcasm might be considered blasphemy to Him), then, I'd let them know they're going to do no such thing because I QUIT their phoney little cult and, if I had a wife and/or children or even grandchildren for that matter, I'd make it a point to pull them away from there (better safe than sorry; again, may God forgive me IF I'm being blasphemous in ANY way; outside of that, I don't owe ANYONE ELSE an apology, much less anything else)!

[@chasegordon7429]

For years I have reflected back to this. Above all I Honor God and I am not a mormon. I am a Christian who is not religious. The Word of God (KJV) is more than enough.

[@schadenfreude000]

KJV is not as accurate as more modern bibles which are translated directly from earliest known sources.

[@denisenoe3702]

@@schadenfreude000 When anyone reads the Bible, it must always be kept in mind that you are reading a translation. Much meaning is lost and/or distorted when translated from one language to another.

[@il0vethis]

And she didn't win an Emmy? Shameful. People didn't give Big Love enough recognition, but other stupid shows are praised. SMH

[@millers3888]

Love Nicki being there for her sister-wife at 3:52. Barb is comforted by the fact that she and Margene are there despite what just happened. She has a support system. I’m so happy the way Barbs story arc ends.

[@patrick4662]

probably the most likeable character in the show. She endures so much yet never loses any of her compassion or grace.

[@dratk00l]

Funny, I was asked if I was taping at my hearing. This pretty much nailed what it was like for me. Interesting.

[@JAMaddict]

I want to point out that the "Some things that are true are not very useful" is a direct quote from Boyd K Packer about how to teach church history. Holland Oaks also said, "It is wrong to criticize church leadership, even if the criticism is true." If people knew the truth about LDS the church would fall.

[@danielpack7675]

Yeah no true religion would ever assert such things, but then there is no true religion.

[@mommafletch]

The chorus is Nearer, My God, To Thee. It's an English hymn, and supposedly the last song played by the band on board the sinking Titanic.

[@sicilianboi83]

I remember when I first saw this episode...I lost it. Poor Barb.

[@truebloodnz]

That was intensely heart breaking. Could you imagine going through that? yuck.

[@chasegordon7429]

Yes. It is awful

[@BradKwfc]

"Are you taping this?".... "No, but the camera man is?"

[@PaisleyRoseMusic]

It's also near impossible for someone steeped in the church to see what I'm talking about. Once they do however, they become free and are no longer able to fit the Mormon mold any longer. Everyone needs their thing to liberate from; usually it's our parents that we leave once we grow up. The LDS church is simply another form of parent that every Mormon "child" needs to leave in order to grow up.

[@eddief.6258]

this still makes me tear up

[@charlesanderson7139]

Me too!

[@robpaulson7992]

"There is a temptation for the writer or the teacher of Church history to want to tell everything, whether it is worthy or faith promoting or not. Some things that are true are not very useful." Elder Boyd K. Packer Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Address to religious educators at a symposium on the Doctrine and Covenants and Church history, Brigham Young University, 22 August 1981.

[@vitohoney5911]

Did this actress get a award for this? Because... WOW!

[@8698gil]

I got kicked out of the church I was raised in, because I refused to attend, and refused to baptize my children. It was a relief for me, because I never wanted to have anything to do with it again. I never could understand why my parents and so many other people in the world actually believe that there is an invisible, immortal wizard who lives in a magical kingdom in the sky where no one ever dies.

[@PaisleyRoseMusic]

My bishop asked me about my underwear when I was still a member of the LDS church. This depiction of a disciplinary council shows how church members are expected to answer to the men in suits that the church sets up as "authorities." Members of the Mormon Church are unable to move past the mentality of a child, because they are never encouraged to trust their own judgment. They are continually encouraged to look to an authority outside themselves for approval. It's really quite sad.

[@BrianTerrill]

The bishop asked you in a temple recommend question or in a disciplinary council? He didn't ask you about your underwear, he asked if you wore your garment as instructed when you went to the temple, something you agreed to do before you even stepped foot in the temple. Covenant breakers really like to twist the facts around.

[@thomasshort1784]

@Paisley Rose Sad?! More like SCARY! That's why I won't formally join a church. Besides, I disagree with the Mormons's (and Jehovah's Witnesses) beliefs, anyway. Nevertheless, under the 1st Amendment, I COMPLETELY support their right to worship God as they see fit!

[@ronniebishop2496]

Jeanne and I were friends in Tulsa. When I saw her in Basic Instinct I was shocked. I knew she was good but not great. She's proving that here over and over.

[@destinywhite2063]

That depends on what your idea of “great” is🤷🏻‍♀️. Very subjective.

[@ronniebishop2496]

@@destinywhite2063 Well that’s true and it depends on the roll and the character. But she came along way from where she was, and to me she is a great actress compared to many others out there. I remember when I was doing a lot of TV and getting a lot of recognition, and I thought the things I was doing with relative no formal training, was very good, because thousands of people were wanting to be in the same position.

[@ronniebishop2496]

@@destinywhite2063 But maybe I misunderstood you. What do you think about Jeannie

[@destinywhite2063]

@@ronniebishop2496 I like Jeannie Triplehorn, but I haven’t followed her career as I have maybe others. Sometimes an actor doesn’t take a role to get a lot of recognition for it. They take it cause they like it or to explore something else they don’t feel they can in real life. She gets to explore polygamy here in the safe confines of TV. Whereas in real life she can’t really do that. She may have just liked the character. She may not have taken the role to be “great” at it🤷🏻‍♀️. Jeannie plays the character as a desperate woman wanting acceptance even if she has to put up with a polygamist. Which her mother condemns her for. But her mother did her own version of suffering too. Jeannie’s character learns that every woman must make her own choices and live with them. And she has to accept her own short comings. She also had to choose between polygamy or being a Latter Day Saint. She chose polygamy.

[@ronniebishop2496]

@@destinywhite2063 Yes that’s a good observation, but Basic Instinct was a tremendous movie, and for her to land that right out of the gate was impressive, plus then with Tom Cruise in that movie about those crooked lawyers., water world

[@PeterShieldsukcatstripey]

Stick with your family Barb❤

[@Nepthu]

Some of the dialogue here is directly from a speech that an LDS leader gave: Talk from Boyd K Packer at BYU... "Church history can be so interesting and so inspiring as to be a powerful tool indeed for building faith. If not properly written or properly taught, it may be a faith destroyer… "There is a temptation for the writer or the teacher of Church history to want to tell everything, whether it is worthy or faith promoting or not. Some things that are true are not very useful…

[@daniiiakasha1436]

"Some things that are true are not very useful". What a jerk.

[@angelakelly6339]

He was quoting a current Apostle I think

[@l3xsterz298]

Nope

[@robpaulson7992]

"There is a temptation for the writer or the teacher of Church history to want to tell everything, whether it is worthy or faith promoting or not. Some things that are true are not very useful." Elder Boyd K. Packer Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Address to religious educators at a symposium on the Doctrine and Covenants and Church history, Brigham Young University, 22 August 1981.

[@morningmidnight9398]

It is true though

[@gretchenmann633]

The Church is so embarrassed about this practice. Because they say her ties are cut from humanity does not mean it is. This is equivalent to shunning from the Amish....Shame should never be used as a deterrent or punishment. In this moment I hated the Mormon church...Barb who has given up everything for everyone else.... Nice LDS....yes I realize it is a show.

[@VIV292]

I’ve sat in on these meetings before and it was eye opener!!!! However one thing is certain it was harsh but honest meeting

[@sicilianboi83]

@skmannes - Well said. I am not a member of the LDS church. I am actually a devout Roman Catholic. However, ALL people should eliminate prejudice before stating opinions about religion. Educate yourself. Do your research. At that point - provide a educated opinion. **Side note - This scene was so heart breaking to watch. I could never imagine being excommunicated from my church. It would be devastating to me.**

[@IndependentConversations]

As a catholic myself I appreciate your touching words. I often feel like a hypocrite for not going to mass weekly but i still reflect and pray the rosary. My entire family is catholic and I honestly think I stay catholic just so I could see my family in heaven one day

[@vexedfusion]

We live in a country with freedom of speech (USA) and they are allowed to do this sort of thing. If you believe it is so sacred, you should not be watching this. As for the rest of us, we're allowed to have our own opinions.

[@TearYouApart360]

I'm confused. Joseph Smith, Founder of the Mormon Church, practiced plural marriage. Brigham Young, who was equated to being the Mormon Mose, had 40 wives. The only reason plural marriage was ended by the LDS was so that Utah would be granted statehood.

[@secretunknown253]

Religion can’t just can’t on whim. I ask myself what kind of religion is that. Yet religion is constantly changing for modern standards.

[@xc8487]

Bingo, a consenting marriage of adults should be no business of the government.

[@JeffDrakeX]

Anne, the term "Priesthood holder" is generally used to mean a person who has been ordained to a Priesthood office. Most active Latter-day Saint men hold some Priesthood office, but it's definitely not an automatic thing.

[@johnsax1445]

They would never say "Polygamy is an abomination". Not even today.

[@drcodyjones]

The deceased relative has the choice to "accept" or "reject" the gospel. If they choose to reject it, then its like the baptism never took place. If they accept it, they recieve the blessings of the gospel.

[@JeffDrakeX]

I’m sure it happens, but you’re probably right about it being mostly confined to heavily LdS-populated areas. I’ve lived in the NYC area, a few towns in Indiana, and several cities in Spain, and I’ve personally never seen it.

[@sigurd1979]

@LamaaraShishani Completely untrue. The members of our church do not decide who goes to heaven Christ does.

[@martilewis44356]

What hypocrites, and so concerned about secrecy . . . "are you taping this."

[@thomasshort1784]

@martilewis44356 Defeats the purpose, don't it?!

[@betanialacoste7945]

Why is all the moral blame for polygamy falling on the woman for her husband's decision to have multiple wives? This is how it is in society for men who are pluralistic, which is all of them.

[@millers3888]

Betania La Coste I could be wrong here, but I believe it’s because Barb never officially “left” her original church before following Bill into polygamy, so this was a hearing specifically on Barbs standing in her old church which forbids polygamy.

[@xc8487]

It wasn't the husband's sole decision, they are all adults who consented to be in the marriage.

[@LexWoodard]

Big Love was such a great show. Also, just throwing it out there, I'm a Mormon convert. It's so much fun to see people calling it names when I find clips like these - hilarious!!

[@denisewhite11385]

Emma I was born and raised LDS and I to don't like everything that's said about the Church. People don't know anything or understand the Church because of the Anti-Mormon websites out there. We're always confused with the FLDS which we have no part affiliation with. They don't know about us which we're LDS then the FLDS which are the polygamist and the RLDS which don't do baptisn for the dead endowments sealings and women can hold the Priesthood. And I have news for everyone every religion is a form of a cult because it's organized and their are certain people who run and control them.

[@thesoundofthesuburbs]

I'm Mormon. I loved the show when it was on. A member of my then bishopric loved the show as well. I also think it is funny that people on here are calling everything a cult. Whatever!

[@ronniebishop2496]

Emma Nobody is forced to join any church that i know of.

[@rblnz73]

Leaving the Church was the best thing i have ever done. I would never have subjected myself to a kangaroo court like these stupid things. I just cannot fathom now that i actually was sucked in by the LDS for two years. The church is very much NOT true

[@michelemartin4998]

I Loved barb so mucg

[@skmannes]

@seancoleshill At one time, the LDS church did support polygamy. But we do not anymore. I should've made that clear in my earlier comment. When that revalation was given, the church did encourage polygamy, but in October of 1890, the current prophet Wilford Woodruff officially outlawed it. And since then, any person(s) found to be practicing polygamy has been excommunicated.

[@xc8487]

They outlawed it because of incredible illegal efforts made by the federal government to force them to. Consenting adults should be able to marry however they want.

[@kb18951452]

@JAMaddict It can be helpful to consider the other's mindset. If one were of the belief that 1)Baptism is essential, and 2) that it must be performed by Priesthood Authority, and that 3) Baptisms can be performed vicariously (in behalf of another), and that 4)the individual is obliged to perform the work, the intentions of that individual in performing the work are likely not malevolent, but rather benevolent. Children often resent parental actions, and often what they resent was done in love.

[@synnell2001]

Of course I never wanted to get out, I joined to stay in LDS church . I have seen much excellent organisation, and it is necessary for all. I have never not bellieved ever. Some will misunderstand but you do not join for those few people! I actually think those that leave often are hasted by lack of patience, I leave what \i want but not thuths. Lack of patience and lack of proper knowledge often accompany all who leave AT one stage, and beliefs they are so very smart. Need to learn to wait.

[@annemarquess8386]

I do feel bad for many Mormons who are in the LDS church and still get asked questions about polygamy because of shows like "sisterwives". I know a lot of Mormons feel insulted by the insinuation that they are part of this. Big Love was an interesting show. In general, majority of Protestants and Catholic faiths don't talk much about main stream LDS or FLDS or tell us the difference. The east coast doesn't have a huge population so for many people the faith can be confusing to understand.

[@YourAscents]

Well, you know what they say, she now has an extra day off and a 10% pay increase. Most of all, she doesn't have to listen to a bunch of stuffed suits putting people to sleep at General Conference twice a year.

[@VictorLepanto]

@Reazzurro90: The subject of polygamy & homosexuality was established in the very 1st episode. The son of the Juniper Creek Prophet reminds his father to mention homosexuals to reporter interviewing him. If gay marriages are to be recognised, then polygamy should recognised as well. This son, Audy, is a "closeted homosexual." The hidden shamed world of polygamy & the hidden shamed world of homosexuality is contrasted throughout the show. It is central to the final "resolution."

[@Amhlair]

You mean completely TRUE. I've attended one, except it was called a 'trial' in those days rather than the Orwellian 'court of love.'

[@melissarennie7289]

Another cult. I don't understand how folk can be so desperate that they need to join cults.

[@haute03]

Just be thankful that you're not one of them. I've never been in a cult (and they probably wouldn't want me, I'm too free-thinking and I question everything), but I can see how someone could caught up in one. My heart goes out to those who do.

[@thesoundofthesuburbs]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not a cult.

[@YourAscents]

I can't imagine any Mormon church leader calling polygamy an abomination, despite the fact it is no longer practiced.

[@rpavich]

WCD2ister, Well, thank you for the invitation...I do have one question in light of this clip... The man said that "polygamy has no place in the modern church" but is that fully accurate? An LDS man can go to the temple and be sealed to his wife and any other number of woman right now, with the expectation that he will have multiple wives in the afterlife...true?

[@KoriEmerson]

Yes that is true. However, we don’t practice it on the earth.

[@skmannes]

@awolLDSasap this only happens when an elders wife dies. He got married again. People do that all the time in the church and out of the church. When someone's spouse dies, people remarry.

[@rudyavelino1982]

1Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. 2For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; 3How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

[@kb18951452]

@awolLDSasap I have to agree that I have never heard of God commanding anyone to create a Harem. Polygamy practiced by the LDS was more of the form of having several households, as opposed to having a group of wives. In other words, a Husband headed several Households, rather than that he just had multiple wives. (Deut. 21: 15-17, Exodus 21:10, both contain instructions regarding multiple wives. I failed to reference them in a previous post.)

[@thomasshort1784]

@Kenneth Barry I've never been married but, if I were, ONE wife would be PLENTY for me! I mean, what man in his right mind would want to juggle 3-4 or more wives (not to mention, possibly X amount of kids on top of that), especially in this day and age?! THAT'S what I shake my head about with these polygamists!

[@SugarSigur]

"Some things that are true are not very useful..." hmmm...thing that sums up every religion in the history of the world.

[@kb18951452]

@awolLDSasap The LDS Church teaches that Mark 3: 14, John 15: 16, and Acts 14: 23 all are records of Priesthood Ordinations. Acts 1:15-26 appears to contain the record of the 11 surviving Apostles ordaining a replacement for Judas in the Apostleship. There is certainly evidence in the scriptures to support the LDS claim of the existence of a Priesthood.

[@tfwaters]

Excommunication Courts are done on the Stake Level. Which means that there are 12 high councilmen that sit facing each other. On one side 6 speak in defense of the one in question and the other 6 speak in the offense. This directer is taking his own liberties in representing something that he has no knowledge of!! You know what happens when people just ASSUME things....

[@LordPillsbury1959]

In the LDS faith, people in the church do not decide who goes to heaven. LDS faith teaches that we all will be judged of Christ to determine our eternal destination.

[@Kannon12]

@Reazzurro90 But D&C 132 is still printed in the current version of the holy scriptures. It's still doctrine.

[@rpavich]

wcd2ister, there is only one problem with asking LDS members and missionaries; they are not forthcoming with the more unusual doctrines of the church. They are reluctant to discuss things like "kolob" and God impregnating Mary "as a man does" so it's not necessarily THE best place.

[@drcodyjones]

That is called "Baptisms for the Dead" We go into the temple and baptize family members who hadn't had the opportunity to get baptized while on Earth. These baptisms have nothing to do with getting married.

[@flywithme2006]

thats the best thing she could have done Barb be strong and leave the lds cult.....

[@annemarquess8386]

Very interesting thanks!

[@synnell2001]

SHE CAN AND HE TOO BUT NOT To the best area without each other!!!!

[@kingloz36]

to each its own but polygamy is wack i said what i said

[@synnell2001]

we are secure in our beliefs but still interested and also it is not nice if so much is written or said that is wrong. normally the Church does not confront many statements as busy doing good!!elsewhere!! but certain things are more central, like the family unit and the distance between LDS and FLDS. In general I do not have time to read much but these days happen to work on a comput

[@kb18951452]

@JAMaddict I can see that these remarks would come across quite offensively. It may be important to remember that these addresses were directed to members of the church. Or in other words, these were sermons to the Latter-Day Saints. Its one thing to teach your children that such and such behavior is to be avoided. Its something a bit different to publicly direct comments at those participating in previously mentioned activity, if the intent is to harm the individual.

[@kb18951452]

@awolLDSasap Peter James and John certainly had Priesthood in their roles as Apostles, as much as the Sons of Levi had Priesthood in their Roles as Priests in the Tabernacle.

[@DuBarryFilms]

@skmannes Personally I worship the son of God especially in sacrament-and HE and his father are really ok with that!

[@PeterShieldsukcatstripey]

Dont worry barb

[@kb18951452]

@sinistralwing I would like to point out that Christ chose to teach the gospel to everyone. That choice didn't show insecurity in his beliefs, rather, i think it shows the importance of the belief to the individual. I would venture that many people comment here because they desire to share their conviction, maybe some even feel a responsibility, or obligation to share with those around them. If a building were afire, it would be natural, and expected, that those who flee would warn the others.

[@Warsie]

Some people do it in 'secret' and some are more open about it, but not bragging Ithink

[@kb18951452]

@awolLDSasap Here is an article that explains some of the concepts concerning you question. To be brief, God is used in 2 ways here. 1) to ACT for GOD (Or in other words, to have the authority to speak for, and act in behalf of God the Father.) and, 2) To BE a GOD (Or in other words, to have, a resurrected Body, Experience, and Exhalation). Before His birth, Christ was God in the First sense (In Action/Authority), Now He is also God in the second sense. He acts, with authority, And is Exhalted

[@ArizonaDesertPiper]

As someone who has been part of a Church disciplinary action I can say without reservation that this DOES NOT represent what it consist of or how it is conducted.

[@awolLDSasap]

@kb18951452 That is true. The widow was released from marriage vows to the first husband at death. The marriage became void. You will never find any verse that says God told someone to gather mortal or spiritual wives. Gathering wives is adultery, and it is a sin. Gods "will" would have been done without any polygamy. The Lord promised blessings upon Abraham and Jacob because of their FAITH, not because they practiced polygamy.

[@rpavich]

LOM, True, I stand corrected. So the wife has to die for the husband to take that step in THIS life... thanks, bob

[@Warsie]

She wants her children to be raised in the 'traditional' life style even if she strays in that doctrine.

[@awolLDSasap]

@kb18951452 It isn't just talking about the Old Test. Luke is talking about all law and ordinance. Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

[@annemarquess8386]

I agree with you completely. I am not part of the church which is why it is confusing to me and probably to people of other faiths when we hear conflicting reports about polygamy and the Mormon faith. I know other Mormons who believe it's wrong and are not practicing it so maybe these people are just trying to avoid being prosecuted? I left the southwest for the east coast a long time ago so I can't say I have seen it, just what friends and family have seen that confused them. I wish I knew more

[@denisewhite11385]

Perversion, adultery, pornography is a done deal for excommunication.

[@synnell2001]

Why should this be negative it is a continuation of the good things in life from here. NOthing negative ab what we do here in that sense, flowers will be there too.

[@synnell2001]

I absolutely hate polygamy and still I can see what a dilemma JS was in and maybe God as well seeing instability and lack of leadership and parenting. A future ahead may have seen pretty bleak and extraordinary measures were put in place misused partly and then done away with.Members did not understand much at all, and many would gladly get sealed to JS behind evrybodys back if they could. Complete and utter chaos, things have changed!! Like Jewish laws and Christ new laws.

[@synnell2001]

Now I do not watch the program only once. Of course there would be a lot of problems in the early days. All new areas and a lot of mistakes before things got settled. Another thing is that we see in our church (long LDS) God would not give all directly withouth necessary questionning and preparation on behalf of leaders. Our health code was given after Emma Smith comments on the smoking habits. Still way before any others! Polygamy was in past most countries, NOW not on at all which is good. TTT

[@awolLDSasap]

@kb18951452 That is true. Their sin did not take away Gods promise to bless them. The new promise, "his covenant" through faith, also guarantees the gift of grace, which is eternal life with Him.

[@awolLDSasap]

@kb18951452 The whole reason Brigham and the church fled to Utah, was to escape the law. The church was never persecuted for teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ which is by faith and Gods grace. They were chased out because the church had developed into a theocracy and the members were breaking the law by practicing polygamy. Why do you think Joseph had the Nauvoo Expositor destroyed?

[@JeffDrakeX]

This is the most messed-up excuse for a disciplinary council I’ve ever seen. If a Priesthood leader acted this way in a real council, he’d would probably be facing some kind of censure, himself. :-B

[@BrianTerrill]

Well it's not real life, it's fake. I know we are asked if we wear the garment as we promised in our temple recommend interviews but the way it is thrown out in this act just makes it look fake qnd of course the lds critics will be cheering it. Interesting how the same critics damn us for our polygamist past are now damning us for not allowing a fictional lady in a polygamist relationship to continue church membership. Plus, the cancelation of sealing is separate from being excommunicated

[@a.ros12]

Idk much about the LDS church but any church under any religion whose leaders admit their policies matter more than the truth have left God and have no power over the salvation of others.

[@danendesign]

@LamaaraShishani will be allowed to keep their church membership. Also they wouldn't be asked to leave their purse outside lol. Even then they can still come to church if they want and participate in anything, so long as it doesn't clash with what they did (For example a child rapist would not be allowed near the building as per they're parole.). But they can't get callings. It's not a judgment of if they get into heaven or not. It' just about their membership, nothing more.

[@Reazzurro90]

@bearysher I'm not a Mormon but if you abuse the teachings, what do you expect? If you are discovered to embrace a heresy in the Catholic Church, you are excommunicated (unless you repent). What exactly would you have the LDS do? She was given the chance to renounce, she refused, and she was excommunicated. There are plenty of polygamist sects she can join.

[@synnell2001]

LDS woman are the group of organised woman with the highest level of education, whats up I have 10 years UNi....not enough for you....>)))

[@kb18951452]

@awolLDSasap The LDS church certainly denounced the practice of Polygamy, and you also right, its still considered an Eternal Principle, and the Church certainly still teaches that it is a Holy practice. Could it not be the case that the Lord saw that to maintain the practice of Polygamy would lead to even more imprisonment of the LDS, and the further confiscation of both Real and Personal Assets (in 1877 the Church was Dis-incorporated, and its Property taken, aswell as all funds of the church.

[@PaisleyRoseMusic]

When youre on the Mormon side of things though, leaving is a scary thing to consider. What is true then? Is this Satan tempting me? Will I become a loser, druggy, drunk, etc? I can attest that their was a lot of fear I faced when leaving the LDS religion that I never realized existed until I was on my way out. Church members are so used to living with the fear, they don't even see it's there. Like I said, it's really quite sad.

[@ourcynic]

May be shallow, sweetie, but it's true.

[@annemarquess8386]

That's really interesting. I'm Anglican, we have priests from seminary and deacons, ect. What would be considered a punishment deemed worthy I mean outside of polygamy ect. We had a neighbor who was very against alcohol (even thought it was a social gathering and the block was invited) and was mormon. Can drinking alcohol, smoking ect. things like that deem this sort of thing? To get excommunicated as an Angican is hard. Although remarrying after divorce is an absolute no.

[@KoriEmerson]

It’s actually pretty hard to get excommunicated from the church. Smoking, drinking even doing drugs won’t get you excommunicated. Cheating on one’s spouse, or say practice polygamy... those will .

[@annemarquess8386]

Okay, now I understand why that would be a huge deal. I don't know much about things like that. I know a few Mormons and never wanted to ask them about garments things like that because we (Protestants and Catholics) are not sure if those things actually exist, what they are for ect. We hear alot of different versions about them but in a completely different way. I thought the whole story line was kind of useless since she excommunicated herself by leaving the LDS church and she knew it.

[@kb18951452]

@awolLDSasap As mentioned earlier, God did command Israelites to take their brother's Widow as their wife, and to raise an heir up, thru this additional wife. That instruction certainly appears to be from God. I fear that questioning the Divine Origin of these passages may undermine the legitimacy of large sections of the Old Testament. I would further cite that Christ's Ancestors, both Abraham and Jacob, as being Blessed to be his Ancestors, while, to their dying day, they practiced Polygamy.

[@awolLDSasap]

@skmannes Will it be too late when your life ends and you find that Jesus is not your spirit brother and God is not the loving heavenly father you were taught? Are you going to put your trust in men that say "I have authority, follow me" or put all of your trust in the eternal God?

[@JAMaddict]

@ronaldboutwell "What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God." John Taylor, J of D, v. 13, p.225 Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls. Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine,pp. 45-46

[@Reazzurro90]

@VictorLepanto The teaching of polygamy for the Mormon church isn't simply heterodoxy, because that implies it can be tolerated. The Mormon Church had long condemned polygamy, on the pain of excommunication. At any rate, I'm not sure where you see that homosexuality specifically is what is being "substituted." I can see that in a show like True Blood, but I can't really see it here. Then again I haven't watched this show that much. I personally saw it as being sympathetic toward polygamy.

[@Kylefassbinderful]

excommunicated from a cult? not so bad

[@kb18951452]

@JAMaddict I think its important to avoid attacking others, for the sake of attacking, or harming. I think we can find examples of The Savior teaching against certain practices contemporary to his time. I think one can also conclude that His teachings greatly offended, or otherwise bothered some who heard. But i don't think that he harbored the intention of personally attacking anyone, rather, that he sought to properly value the activity, while maintaining the value of the individual.

[@wcd2ister]

First of all you will never annoy any Mormon by asking us questions we love to answer them. What you were just seeing was a sort of hearing that is held within the Church when it is discovered that a member is involved in things that go directly against our beliefs, and if the member refuses to take aid from the church in correcting their ways excommunication is a possibility. In the church we wear sacred garments to remind us of the covenants we make within the temple.

[@annemarquess8386]

I kind of wonder, I Ran across Big Love and found it interesting and I also have met ex mormons LDS, who say there are members of the LDS church that practice polygamy and are not open about it and still attend LDS services. I wonder how true it is and how often it happens in Mormon populated states? Just more of a sociological question. I wonder if people are excommunicated or if it is an open secret. Not judging just curious. I heard it happens alot.

[@einc70]

It's a small community. Rumors spread like fire unless you are out it. You can keep it secret as long as you're able to. Once busted you are reported and sent to the Bishop. If you do not comply to what the Bishop asked and get caught again then your case goes to the disciplinary council of the Stake to decide whether you are dismissed (membership removal or excommunication) or not.

[@KoriEmerson]

There are break off sects of the LDS church that practice polygamy. If a member of the LDS church is found to be practicing polygamy, yes . They are excommunicated.