BIG Tesla Full Self Driving Update | UNSUPERVISED FSD Coming in June

Elon just revealed that unsupervised Tesla Full Self Driving should be live in June of this year in a key US market and then soon to follow, in the rest of North America!
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[@sagecoach]

No question, It is close. I drive FSD in version 3 daily in Minnesota and Wisconsin. As the FSD supervisor, we get along fine.

[@tnez2009]

Honestly.. honestly… just try it..on HW4… blows my mind!! 😮 it’s actually fun.. because it drives so fricken well. Occasionally makes a wrong turn but will correct itself if you give it time. … so cool owning a car and a Taxi driver too.

[@VishnuKamath]

Been Driving FSD V13 for over a month Every week 400KM. Minimal Interventions except for navigation issues

[@jeffmichaels1703]

YES - Tesla will roll out Unsupervised FSD in Texas by or before June 2025 and well before December 2025 to many private Tesla owners like me which I can't wait. I currently pay for the monthly FSD subscription and use FSD everyday.

[@Fitinvestor321]

I have it as well and i don’t think it’s ready yet. Would seem like 18 months away at least for me to feel confident in unsupervised in all conditions. I live in a busy city and i need to take over way too often. I hope he doesn’t try to push it too fast. It needs to be perfect

[@sds4810]

@@Fitinvestor321 I think that's more of a YOU problem because I too use it everyday on very long commutes over 2hrs and rarely have to take over and in ATLANTA. Where NOBODY knows how to drive. But I recline comfortably in my seat with my knee touching the wheel while I read my emails or scroll on FB. I even take the occasional nap while in traffic. FSD unsupervised is ready because SUPERVISED is damn near there already IMO smh 🥴🤷🏽‍♂️

[@TheSpartan3669]

​@@sds4810I think you're just not understanding that your experience isn't representative of everyone else's.

[@skylerskyler2144]

I use FSD everyday. It is ready. I guarantee it.

[@nanostar6138]

Rarely having to take over means it’s not ready to be unsupervised surly?

[@dbrwn1]

I believe Tesla is far ahead of other companies in the fields of artificial intelligence and autonomous driving. As a blind individual, I had the opportunity to experience Full Self-Driving (FSD) for the first time while riding with a sighted driver. Sitting in the driver's seat, I was able to observe how the system operated in real-time. The ride felt natural, smooth, and not at all jerky or unnatural. I was completely at ease as the car drove me around Beaumont, Texas, while the sighted driver sat in the passenger seat, ensuring that the vehicle behaved as expected. I had no fear during the trip and was genuinely looking forward to the experience. After this ride, I am fully confident that I will feel comfortable traveling in a fully autonomous vehicle without the need for a sighted assistant in the near future. Regarding Tesla’s artificial intelligence, I firmly believe that Elon Musk and his team have perfected their approach. I am also convinced that Tesla is likely to be the first company to bring a fully autonomous vehicle to market within the next year or so, ahead of any other competitor. During my ride using version 13 of the FSD package, the experience was incredibly smooth. The only issue I encountered was a single instance where the car attempted an illegal U-turn. However, what made this moment particularly amusing was that a police car happened to be right behind us at the time. The officer simply drove past us, unaware that a blind person was sitting behind the wheel of a self-driving Tesla. I jokingly told my sighted companion that if the officer had known, it would have made for an even more interesting moment! This experience further reinforced my confidence in the reliability and sophistication of Tesla’s self-driving technology. I am incredibly excited about the advancements in this field and eagerly look forward to my next opportunity to experience Full Self-Driving in action.

[@Muhahahahaz]

6:55 This is one of the biggest differences between FSD and the attempts from other companies! All the others seem to depend on special HD mapping that is specific to a given city, and they’ve literally been stuck in just a few cities for years now, with little progress to show for it Meanwhile, FSD already works everywhere by default. Starting in a single city with their unsupervised FSD is solely a validation strategy before they release it everywhere, rather than an inherent limitation of the system

[@Alakay77]

Thank you for being so clear and informative - the video was well put together.

[@audience2]

Toe in water in June. Tesla can do it. They can limit the initial toe in water by geolocking to the extent needed to keep it within the softwares capabilities.

[@TheLastMoccasin]

Or the backup plan of just providing rides to shareholders on Tesla property at the annual shareholder meeting in June while likely lying and saying it's someone else's fault they weren't ready.

[@gmarie701]

@@TheLastMoccasin ignorant and plain dumb to post that even for a butt hurt, America hating democrat liberal termite.

[@AstroTrain100]

When is AI5 gonna start rolling out?

[@olyalphy]

Most likely end of the year, with CyberCab being first car to get it.

[@badtoro]

I'm waiting on that before I upgrade my Tesla

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

THANKS JON,FOR SHARING THIS 🤗 and IMHHO probably sooner 🤷‍♂️🔋🔋🔋

[@antonnym214]

Is it yet fair to say FSD drives as well or better than most Earth Humans? I would love that.

[@BigBen621]

_Is it yet fair to say FSD drives as well or better than most Earth Humans?_ In areas where the NN is fully trained, such as SoCal and the SF Bay Ares, it is definitely fair to say this.

[@BillB33525]

If Tesla can sell FSD to other car Mfg the stock will explode.

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

I think that is the direction that Tesla wants to go, and is training on camera data only in order to maximize as much compatibility as possible. If the gamble pays off, then Tesla will be really ahead of the game.

[@Williamsl99]

Yep. The profit potential for licensing will dwarf their earnings on the lower margin cars. Then if they can get a portion of the Human Robot market the Tesla Market Cap could hit $10 Trillion. Roughly 10x today's market cap.

[@BillB33525]

@ Good to hear!

[@rioriggs3568]

FSD is a joke, 10 years behind Google. Other car manufacturers already have deals with everyone else! $TSLA is not going to make you rich, it will make you poor!

[@BK-pl3vy]

Major reason why shareholders will be reluctant to sell their shares, this announcement can happen anyday, certainly by June/July if their Texas launch goes off without a hitch. Always good to keep a core position

[@ecospider5]

I’m really happy they could not get it to work on hardware 3. Now at a minimum I will get upgraded to hw4 and I really hope we get hardware 5.

[@BigBen621]

_ Now at a minimum I will get upgraded to hw4_ Technically, AFAIK no one from Tesla has said you'll get upgraded to HW4, let along HW5; only that you'll be upgraded to an ECU that will run FSD (Unsupervised). This will almost certainly *not* be HW4 as such, because it's not physically compatible with HW3; but it may be a custom ECU that will have the performance of HW4 or even HW5, but fit physically where the HW3 ECU is now.

[@thomassimmer5186]

How to effectively use AI to achieve real world results that can be monetized is where Tesla leads. AI is not just asking fun questions or help in writing a paper or creating an image. How to make a better car battery that can charge in less time, lasts longer, delivers more power and costs less would be an example. What materials can withstand the heat of re-entry that are lightweight, low cost, and durable?

[@TheNewAccount2008]

I always find it funny to hear such comments and announcements, especially the part about unsupervised FSD in Europe next year. We Europeans have paid the same amount of money for FSD as the Americans do (even more, given that we pay the same number-amount in Euro that you pay in USD), and 2+ years after the US has seen Beta versions of FSD (supervised) we still haven't even seen those... I hope that Elon gets his act together soon and starts delivering something useful for the European market too.

[@BMikkel88]

Throw your frustration towards the EU and not Elon. It will come to the EU, but because of regulations it takes a lot longer. It's the same with so many other tech products, see latest ChatGPT features for instance. And the regulations and bureaucracy hinder European tech startups to grow. Do not see the overall benefits of regulations here

[@TheNewAccount2008]

@@BMikkel88 Well, first of all, there are countries within the EU that do allow such products already. And I assume it would be easy to geofence those countries in. Second, even if you can't provide all the FSD functionality by now, AutoSteer is no different to FSD Supervised, so if one is allowed, the other one should be too. And third, and most importantly, even if some features are not available (which we are used to already...) Elon could at least get us the general software to improve the features we currently have. (And which suck in many areas...) It's easy to blame the EU... But in the end that's not always where the truth lies.

[@caribbeanbound8357]

Thats the EU fault. they are hostile against Elon as well.

[@TheNewAccount2008]

@@caribbeanbound8357 Have you read my previous reply? There are some hurdles thrown by the EU, but there is a lot that is NOT the EUs fault, but purely Tesla not spending the time to get all the things right that are different over here.

[@GROGU123]

American roads are much easier to develop on because roads are much wider and we have actual shoulders are well. It's far more forgiving if there are slight mistakes, like not being perfectly centered in the lane or taking a turn too wide.

[@gregoryreed441]

Robotaxi is different then unsupervised are you certain that unsupervised won’t be everywhere and just robotaxi will in Austin. From what I read that he said it seemed that’s what he meant

[@juanpablomo3934]

as a driver instructor i m somehow impressed but the tesla requieres more practice.

[@thefittestdoc]

Nonsense. You opinion does not override all of ours who actually have Tesla’s with FSD and who haven’t done any manual driving in the last 600 miles

[@juanpablomo3934]

@ well I have been using it since June 2024.. and believe me there are moments where the Tesla almost killed us

[@Cross-xm2fr]

I'll eat a model 3 if he hits this goal

[@darylfortney8081]

Done talking about the 4680?

[@MoreOnEVs]

Tesla stock is now depending on autonomy. Unit sales dropped and unless their lower cost vehicles are more compelling than a model 3 with cloth seats and a rear wheel drive cybertruck, they will be flat again. Glad Elon is confident, but he really needs to deliver

[@marquisdemoo1792]

And get his sticky fingers out of the US treasury.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

@@marquisdemoo1792 He can keep his fingers in there as long as he keeps saving taxpayers billions and billions of dollars. Why would any American be against that?

[@TheLastMoccasin]

@@travisjazzbo3490 Keeps saving? Let's let Mr promise the moon and deliver disappointment late actually do something before we give him credit for anything. But the people that believe what he says can't be convinced of facts anyway so not sure why I even try lol

[@halacron1]

@@marquisdemoo1792 I'm sorry but no taxation without representation. Elon can keep one hand on it because he's representing where our taxes go. I personally don't want my tax dollars going to, "$20 million to teaching Sri Lanka journalists on how to avoid binary gendered language"...do you want that? Can you even point to where Sri Lanka is on a map?

[@travisjazzbo3490]

@@TheLastMoccasin Yeah... because as a guy who has revolutionized about 5 or 6 entire industries doing things in all of them that no one even imagined, we have no reason to believe in Elon Musk... The greatest engineer/businessman/production guy EVER in the history of the planet

[@savagecub]

“Multiple cameras blinded or blocked, FSD disabled”. I see this message at least twice a week !

[@saboteurthe]

You should take it to Tesla to have the front camera cleaned of residue. Apparently it is a known issue.

[@ecospider5]

You should definitely get that fixed. I use FSD daily and saw that message only once last year and it went away after about 10 seconds

[@stadsimkerijhengeloe.o.4300]

It would be bad if didn't react on blocked or defective cameras that would be worrying...

[@chriso5842]

@@saboteurthe Yes, I'm taking my 2024 Model 3 in for service for this issue. There is definitely residue under the front camera housing.

[@shdmd2118]

@@stadsimkerijhengeloe.o.4300 Who is reacting to All the texting teenagers driving around you?

[@daves8628]

Tesla needs to cut loose Musk so Tesla can reach its full commercial potential.

[@kburke1965]

He might be still involved

[@kenhiett5266]

Such silliness from you.

[@charlesrovira5707]

@11:11 The rollout of FSD will begin in June and be rolled out much faster than people suspect. Current taxi companies will be obliterated. Current last-mile delivery companies will be destroyed. The market will be much more accepting of *FSD* than curmudgeonly drivers suspect.

[@PrescottResident]

I really hope you’re right about that faster roll out. Elon has been a bit optimistic in the past but this time feels *different* . Hmm, that sounds like something an abuse victim would say.

[@banjofrailing3813]

Elon did not promise an invention delivery deadline. Just an estimate of what he would like to see happen. Have you ever invented something? It’s not possible to deliver an invention until after it is invented!

[@palladen1933]

Tesla are watching you and everything you do in these cars, they can shut your car down anytime they want, cars on the roads with no drivers, gee what could go wrong 😮😮😮

[@BobbieGWhiz]

How many of the FSD supporters would feel comfortable closing their eyes for five minutes while using FSD while driving through a city?

[@BigBen621]

I would, without hesitation. What you and your ilk don't understand is that there are in effect two different versions of FSD, depending on what part of the country you're in. In most of the flyover states, there are not enough Teslas sending videos back to the mothership to fully train the NN, and as result FSD performance suffers and it requires frequent interventions and disengagements. But in areas like SoCal, the SF Bay Area, and presumably Austin, TX, the NN is fully trained, and disengagements are extremely rare. Whole Mars Catalog probably epitomizes the latter situation best, with frequent, sometimes lengthy videos showing trips both in and between the SF Bay and Los Angeles Areas, with extremely rare disengagements. FSD has been driving me around San Diego for several weeks on V12.5.6.x and now V13.2.1 in a 2024 HW4 Model Y, completely hands-free, with only 2-3 disengagements-all of which were initiated by me to choose a different route to my destination than what FSD had chosen. It's like being driven around by a professional chauffeur, with my hands on my legs or the armrests. It even does limousine stops at every stop, a skill I've tried unsuccessfully to master. It is so good that I would have no problem closing my eyes and letting it drive me to my chosen destination, whether it took 5 or 50 minutes.

[@thomasanderson7562]

On my route to work, I would actually feel comfortable taking a nap if the system let me. I never have to intervene anymore until I get to the parking lot. 6 months ago I would have said we're years away from getting there but the latest version is actually pretty incredible.

[@BobbieGWhiz]

@BigBen621 My ilk are wondering what happens when something unexpectedly arises in your area if some old 2x4’s with nails in them fall off a truck, or other low barrier blocks a road, or you’re at a construction site where a police officer, who isn’t making eye contact, is making tiny gestures with one or two fingers telling you to proceed or stop, or if you happen to be in the wrong designated lane when you need to turn or go straight, etc.? Thanks from the ilk.

[@BigBen621]

​@@BobbieGWhiz _My ilk are wondering what happens when something unexpectedly arises_ FSD would do the same thing it would do if something unexpectedly arises and I failed to intervene for some other reason-it would figure out what action it should take to minimize the chance of an accident. It is certainly possible to imagine situations that would support your presumed position that the driver must be ready to and should take over in these cases. But it is also possible to imagine just as many situations where the driver taking over is the wrong action, and could itself lead to an accident. FSD has been driving me around San Diego for several weeks on V12.5.6.x and now V13.2.1 in a 2024 HW4 Model Y, completely hands-free, with only 2-3 disengagements-all of which were initiated by me to choose a different route to the set destination than what FSD had chosen. It's like being driven around by a professional chauffeur, with my hands on my legs or the armrests. It even does limousine stops at every stop, a skill I've tried unsuccessfully to master. In my opinion, FSD V13 is to the point where intervening in an effort to avoid a dangerous situation is far more likely to exacerbate the situation than to improve it; and so whether my eyes are open or closed, I'm almost always going to sit back and allow FSD to decide how to correct the situation. Of course, this applies *only* in areas where the NN is fully trained, such as where I live; in other areas where FSD makes far more errors, it is of course appropriate for the driver to take back control if it looks like FSD is doing something dangerous.

[@dsouflis]

...and can they please put up a sign or something on their cars while they do it so that other drivers will know and protect themselves?

[@ChessWell17]

As allways, Cleanerwatts is truly TeslaFanBoy

[@autumnite]

if Tesla can train China fsd based on available videos online, doesnt it mean that what Nvidia is trying to do for other car companies is also achievable?

[@rioriggs3568]

When Elon talks about "training" he's really saying MANUAL labelling and mapping.

[@TorbjornKvist-vd3gm]

Sure, it will be possible in selected parts of the world with decent weather. In Scandinavia, where I live, we are going to have to wait for a long time. Not because it's impossible, but because Tesla is not even working on the problem. There's no way the current camera set-up is going to work reliably without any means of keeping the cameras clean. The car can't even keep the front window free from rain, dirt and snow-slush. I like my Tesla, but it's not going to drive me around by itself all seasons where I live in the near future. And It's not software issue, this will require different hardware and current cars doesn't have it.

[@Myrslokstok]

Elon deliver record fast as usuall! But because Tesla don't advertise, everytime he miss a deadline it becomes headlines!

[@ryant.5173]

Tesla needs to figure out how to keep the camera's clean in order to get to robotaxi. I have a 24' Y and used FSD but once it snowed it wouldnt work and just sat in my driveway saying take over immediately.

[@BigBen621]

I wonder if it occurred to you to, well, clean off the cameras, rather than just sitting there?

[@Muhahahahaz]

@@BigBen621 Seriously, right? While it may be nice to have auto-cleaning cameras in the long run (and I’m sure they will, especially for CyberCabs), it has very little to do with FSD Also, they recently added a camera occlusion feature that points out which camera(s) are having an issue, so I simply clean them off and go about my day The cameras with the highest risk of occlusion after that are simply the 3 forward-facing cameras in the windshield, but they already have windshield wipers and a defrosting camera housing to take care of those 🤷

[@stadsimkerijhengeloe.o.4300]

FSD will be allowed in Europe, soon is my idea. They are now talking only to allow on highways, etc. But that restriction will very soon be over and it will be true full self driving. In the US Austin, will be followed up by a few US cities almost immediate. Than the mass, will follow, not only cities, but states. Same in the rest of the world. China (Shanghai) will be perhaps sooner than Austin. Followed by Asia, limited to the countries Tesla's are sold. The way Tesla does camera only, 7 or 8 cams... is very beautiful with there onboard analizes and control. They used only data from the very best Beta-drivers to feed the AI. Their system is so smart with it's analizing that it never got programmed what a traffic light is, or what rules it follows. The FSB AI system learned to cope with traffic lights it self, by analizing the very best Tesla drivers. FSD sees the world almost human like, but much better and more (360 degrees) and with a 100% stamina. This combination with onboard computing is something a human driver, even the very best never can do. The whole world it sees is analyzed to an synthetic world where in the car finds it's route and anticipates in all situations. The FSD system of Tesla is marvelous. But much more is coming.... Trucks, more Tesla car models and energy will be BIG and revolutionary... I hope we all get good very long distance HVDC connections with lots of grid tide battery systems for industry's and at home a solar powered powerwall with bi-directional BEV connection. I think this is our future.

[@charlesrovira5707]

@8:48 OEMs may choose not to partner but they may have no choice if the *Insurance Companies* get to the legislators. The *Insurance Companies* are the ones who have to *_pay_*_ for_ all the carnage on the roads.

[@rioriggs3568]

Tesla fanboys clearly don't enjoy reality... they all seem to live in a very distant future where we have AGI. Musk is hoping someone will discover it in the coming years.

[@russelldesilva1560]

This is pure wishful thinking. Love what Tesla has done, but have absolutely no faith they've gone from the 99.9% capable to the 99.9999% capable they need to have an unsupervised robocar. The fact that people tell you the latest version is so much better means that the previous version had a long way to go. To approach human capability you would need to go years without an intervention, not just a few dozen trips.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

You can add up millions of hours over thousands and thousands of drivers using it in a relatively short time. You don't just do one driver using it. That is not how it works

[@TheLastMoccasin]

Elons entire life is based on wishful thinking and then someone else doing the work to make it happen so he can steal the valor. This isn't new.

[@russelldesilva1560]

Yes, that's true, and Tesla don't release that information, my point is that people claim Tesla is close because they have done a few dozen trips. There is strong reason to believe that when you do aggregate the data, it doesn't support Tesla being ready to release an unsupervised robocar.

[@TheLastMoccasin]

@@russelldesilva1560 Well... they can release an unsupervised robotaxi... a company owned vehicle, in a geofenced area, with tele-operators ready to take over, and invite-only riders that are Tesla and Elon loyalist who will never say anything bad about the company and they will cheer that FSD is solved.... meanwhile the promise of customer owned vehicles driving coast to coast and making money while you sleep can still be years away. They are two different goals, and the goalposts just moved much closer. I just hope all the people that paid for FSD on their vehicles get what they paid for at some point...

[@AwniQudah]

And I recommend watching this Chinese car beating Tesla on FSD, Avatar 11

[@jamesbarry1673]

No auto insurance company has come forward saying they would provide auto insurance for these type of cars

[@travisjazzbo3490]

Not yet. They will have to show statistics for a good length of time and if they prove it is safer than the average human, they should be all over it and even potentially provide discounts incentivizing people to use it. Tesla tracks that stuff very closely so if it proves its meddle, it will happen

[@jamesbarry1673]

@travisjazzbo3490 if this performs anything like Tesla's truck, I wouldn't count on it lol

[@TheLastMoccasin]

They are not launching it on customer owned vehicles (like was previously promised), just Tesla owned... well if it actually happens. Elons track record is garbage and no one should believe a single thing he says. He just wants the attention.

[@travisjazzbo3490]

@ In due time. Trust in Musk to do what he says (eventually) and even his engineering team continues to be extremely optimistic. You have to figure what they are seeing is 6 months ahead of anything we see

[@jamesbarry1673]

@travisjazzbo3490 they should have spent more time perfecting their automobiles. The recent sales numbers are not very impressive

[@ski1749]

For me- the goal shouldn't be as good as a person but also not to be in one of those 20 to 50 vehicle crashes due to fog or low clouds or snow. There's like 1 airplane crash per million miles.

[@BigBen621]

_There's like 1 airplane crash per million miles._ According to statistics released by NHTSA last spring, there had been 75 actual accidents experienced by Teslas with FSD engaged, at a time when these had driven 1.3 *billion* miles over several years. This is an accident every 17.3 million miles. Meanwhile, again by NHTSA's statistics, average drivers experience a reportable crash every 539,000 miles, >30 times as often as Teslas with FSD engaged.

[@DCGreenZone]

It was close 10 years ago or more, sun glare seems to be a sticking point. Let's buy robots and go to Mars. 😂

[@talpolano4549]

Goodbye NOKIAs! 3:)

[@TheLastMoccasin]

Wow have the goalposts moved... 🏈 For the longest time it was "with the flip of a switch your car will go make money for you while you sleep". Now it's "Tesla to do what Waymo is doing". Likely to be Tesla owned vehicles, geofenced area, and only Tesla Apologist allowed via invite.

[@Williamsl99]

You need to educate yourself on the differences.... Waymo’s Model: Offers high reliability and safety within its operational domain but is inherently limited by its dependence on detailed mapping and geo-fencing. Tesla’s Model: Potentially offers greater flexibility and scalability by not relying on pre-mapped environments, but it faces significant hurdles in ensuring consistent safety and performance under all conditions.

[@TheLastMoccasin]

@@Williamsl99 I'm 99% portfolio invested in Tesla and have followed the company daily for over 7 years (and even worked there)... I have educated myself. The current Tesla community is a huge disappointment and only apologizes for Elon and Tesla missteps and will never call BS for clear things they can do better or factually false statements from their CEO. It's sad, and it's hurting the company worse than the short sellers ever did.

[@FraiseVache]

​@@TheLastMoccasinI totally agree. Though I'm not sure Tesla will need to geofence too much. It will most likely be regulation related more than technically related like Waymo. But aside from that it makes sense for Tesla to operate the car network itself rather than sharing this kind of revenue do I agree with you. Plus I also agree with your comments on Elon. He is in a total BS phase and it's hurting Tesla like hell. I've been a long time investor but I used the spike at Trump's victory to get out of this shit. I still believe in the company goals but I'm not putting up with this anymore. I'll come back if Elon gets out of politics. Brilliant engineer. Brilliant CEO when he solely focuses on this. Trash politician. And looks like trash as a basic human as of late. Hope he gets back on his feet. He's totally not the same person he was ten years back when I actually kind of liked him.

[@glenw3814]

Gotta walk before attempting to run. Lives are at stake. If you thought FSD would go straight from full-supervision to no-supervision-everywhere...well, that's the problem.

[@TheLastMoccasin]

@@glenw3814 Sooo Elon lied when he said "with the flip of a switch your personal vehicle will make you money while you sleep"??? I didn't believe it, and that's why I never bough a Tesla and paid for FSD. But you make a good point, for all those that think FSD is complete and are celebrating... they are just barely about to take their first steps, let alone run.

[@MODELWI-tu2oi]

Tesla is far ahead of everyone else. But I think Elon is still overly optimistic about how fast general unsupervised FSD can be implemented (i.e. no steering wheel, no accellerator pedal and no brake pedal). I don't think FSD is ready for snow storms, drive thrus, handling emergency vehicles properly, or private gated communities. Once, I'm through the gate in a gated community, I love that FSD can take me through the community straight to my friend's house, but getting through the gate requires me to drive. Also, getting out of the gated community requires me to drive. Also, FSD V13 still makes huge mistakes in parking lots. These videos you are talking about are "cherry picking". FSD is almost ready as a driver assistance system, but I've seen it be hugely discurtious (total failure at driving defensively), so its just almost ready.

[@BigBen621]

_I don't think FSD is ready for ..._ What you're missing is that the software for FSD (Unsupervised) will be substantially improved from V13, and all of the issues you bring up will necessarily have to be solved before release of FSD (Unsupervised). But since Tesla has stated when and where FSD (Unsupervised) will first be released, it is a near certainly that this code is already running, and they already have advance approval from appropriate authorities to release it.

[@larslover6559]

Does it even matter now as the Tesla is bankrupting this year anyway

[@MGPCycling]

After having been almost killed multiple times with fsd trying to exit a highway and almost running me into a guardrail at full speed, no thank you to unsupervised fsd. It isn't ready. Not even close.

[@TheLastMoccasin]

Yea, the fact that people still believe a thing Elon says enough to make a video is kind of sad. But, they moved the goalpost much closer so im sure they will do "something" and I'm sure we will see videos here praising whatever happens.

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

@@TheLastMoccasin If FSD v13 never came out and we were still stuck in pre 12.5 then I would agree. However v13 (if you try it) really is a game changer.

[@TheLastMoccasin]

@@terrancecloverfield6791 It's actually BECAUSE V13 came out and was so much better than V12 that showed we are nowhere near the "march of nines". And Tesla admitted they are not where they need to be, that's why they moved the goalpost. Now they are doing the Waymo approach with company owned tele-operated vehicles in a geofenced area. Highly unlikely that any unsupervised software comes to a customer owned vehicle in 2025.

[@kenhiett5266]

I wonder why the Wall Street Journal could only muster a tiny number (as a percentage) of anecdotal examples that were clearly driver error. I've used FSD for hundreds of hours. The vast majority of interventions are lane/mapping related. I've never experienced FSD going haywire. If this was anything resembling a common issue, there would be endless examples on prime time national news.

[@MGPCycling]

@@kenhiett5266 it doesn't need to be common to be deadly. I've also experienced the fsd throwing out the caution alarm and apply the brakes when there were absolutely no cars around new on the highway. Just randomly. It's not ready for unsupervised runs en masse, at all

[@David-ff7vp]

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[@BGittins1]

Getting rid of Government safety regulations will help Elons FSD release

[@bsmusic2601]

There are no federal regulations for autonomous vehicles, he's actually pushing to put regulations in place

[@rioriggs3568]

What about making it safe instead of removing regulations?

[@BigBen621]

​@@rioriggs3568 _What about making it safe instead of removing regulations?_ Teslas with FSD engaged have actually amassed an astonishing level of safety while driving 3 *billion* miles to date. Do you have any actual, well, "data", showing otherwise?

[@rioriggs3568]

@ It’s safe with a human sitting behind the wheel ready to take over as soon as FSD screws up! BIG DIFFERENCE. Tesla’s FSD (even version 13) is still at 200 city miles between critical disengagements when the minimal threshold to go unsupervised is 10,000 miles. Tesla has barely improved despite Elon apparently throwing all the AI in the world at the problem. Most of FSDs recent improvements come from MANUAL labelling and mapping and not AI.

[@BigBen621]

​@@rioriggs3568 _Tesla’s FSD (even version 13) is still at 200 city miles between critical disengagements_ It can be shown both empirically and statistically that "critical disengagements" would almost never have resulted in actual crashes, had they not occurred. Further, the small number of owners providing data to the FSD Tracker that this number comes from includes data from all parts of the country. This includes all the flyover states where there are not enough Teslas sending videos back to the mothership to keep the NN training queue full, and as a result FSD performance suffers in these areas. But the planned release of FSD (Unsupervised) will initially be done only in areas such as SoCal, the SF Bay Area, and presumably Austin, where the NN training queue is fully populated; and disengagements, let alone critical disengagements, are virtually nonexistent. You will of course reject these facts because "reasons"; but they will be amply demonstrated when the FSD (Unsupervised) releases start, this summer.

[@paulkearsley9509]

Very old stuff

[@jlamm2223443]

We can always believe Elon.

[@ski1749]

FSD is still level 3 isn't it and needs to get to level 5. There was a tesla crash near me and people said the car was driving itself with the driver asleep. The tesla crossed the line and crashed into another car. Other drivers then said the driver was unconsious. If the driver is asleep or unconcousious the tesla should pull over, stop and call 911.

[@bsmusic2601]

Bullshit

[@RTSquad138]

can you say fear and misinformation? There is no way the above happened. I can’t even look down at the nav screen without the car telling me to put my hands on the wheel. Sleep? Not yet but soon with unsupervised and yes people’s minds will explode.

[@christopherknipe8723]

Crap!

[@TheSpartan3669]

Its level 2

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[@ih2898]

Austin in 4 months, hummm, maybe.

[@GROGU123]

I can only see this on major highways with little drama. Will make commuters happy. In cities, not yet.

[@shdmd2118]

@@GROGU123 in cities is where it shines

[@BigBen621]

_In cities, not yet._ FSD has been driving me around *the city* of San Diego for several weeks on V12.5.6.x and now V13.2.1 in a 2024 HW4 Model Y, completely hands-free, with only 2-3 disengagements-all of which were initiated by me to choose a different route to my destination than what FSD had chosen. It's like being driven around by a professional chauffeur, with my hands on my legs or the armrests. It even does limousine stops at every stop, a skill I've tried unsuccessfully to master.

[@GROGU123]

@ Perhaps in a well mapped area on the west coast where more streets are laid out grid style. But terrible here on the east coast in cities that were laid out originally for dirt roads with horses and make little sense. I've had to intervene several times with last month's free FSD. It's not ready for full scale release in cities. It can do limited release with high definition mapped cities like Waymo does, where every street is known and all lanes are mapped. But not in areas like where I live. FSD also struggles with driveways and parking lots that aren't mapped. On the highway it's amazing, I can see full release for end to end highway use on well mapped highways where all lanes are known. But not unknown cities and especially unknown suburbs. I have a HW4 Model Y.

[@GROGU123]

@ In Cities is where it impresses, not shines. More interventions are needed in the city.

[@BlindedByLogic]

Is this video a joke? I should be impressed that the car can change lanes, and park in a spot, and not hit pedestrians... Ok, yet Waymo has a crash every 100,000 miles or so, while Tesla has 75 interventions per every 1000 miles. I get that Waymo is geofenced, but reality is that Tesla true self driving will not be ready until it can improve safety per mile by a factor of at least 100.

[@GregHassler]

You know that crashes and interventions are completely different things, right? And that Waymos are limited to 25 mph and have never even seen a highway? And of yeah, they are remotely controlled in numerous situations but they don't report those numbers. Lastly, they lose money like it's their job. Please don't ever bring up Waymo and Tesla in the same sentence again until you know what you're talking about.

[@pauld3327]

Waymo taxis have been involved in about one injury-causing crash for every million miles of driving

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[@BigBen621]

_Waymo has a crash every 100,000 miles or so_ Statistics released by NHTSA last year show that Teslas with FSD engaged have a reportable accident every 17.3 *million* miles, hundreds of times better than Waymo; so you've got the "factor of at least 100" backwards. You could verify this for yourself by searching the NHTSA site for a PDF entitled "Additional Information Regarding EA22002"; but of course you won't, because this would destroy your whole "Waymo is safer than FSD" schtick.

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[@andders2477]

Come on, lets get to level 3 and then work on 4 and 5 then you can talk about unsupervised. Just test it in Austin? glad i dont live there. if they really belive in it just let it drive everywhere. The Chinese have better systems like Huawei. You call that fog? it can be much vorse where i live, get those lidar on and integrated in the software. Lidar is around 200$/each, not ruining the sale of a 10.000$ system.

[@BigBen621]

_lets get to level 3 and then work on 4 and 5 then you can talk about unsupervised._ For reasons that are beyond the scope this comment, Tesla will skip over SAE Level 3. FSD (Unsupervised) *is* SAE Level 4. Level 5 requires that "the ADS can operate the vehicle on-road anywhere within its region of the world", which is defined by example as a minimum of the continental U.S. So this requires that every government entity in the continental U.S. approve Tesla for autonomous driving, which will take years if not decades.

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