RARE Mass Effect 3 Scene - Rannoch WITHOUT TALI & LEGION

[@Skyblade12]

Big Dan plays the terrible scenarios so we don’t have to. Thank you for your diligence in exploring all the options, sir.

[@Matt-bg5wg]

how about shooting Mordin in the back... who the F would actually do that

[@steelbear2063]

Jokes on you, I'm in the middle of my asshole playthrough

[@frozenwaffle206]

My first experience with mass effect was with 3 so I didnt really understand what was going on when I stabbed that amphibian in the back

[@timothypeterson4781]

@@Matt-bg5wg For the greater good.

[@klasfla]

For the greater good

[@Drakenvlieg]

I've always wanted to do a maximal casualties playthrough: >pick geth over quarians > choose "destroy synthetic life" anyway 🤣

[@Lawgamer411]

Hahahaha brutal

[@splash_067]

Nothing wrong with that imo, never liked the quarians, boring as shit imo.

[@EvilPaladin11]

Jesus Christ, that's horrifying! Wiping out 2 civilizations/specieses, and making their multi century war completely pointless!

[@cyanimation1605]

>have only Thane and Legion survive ME2 (Not Mordin, cause then you cure the genophage)

[@victorgz2907]

As far as I know, you can wipe out a total of 4 species: rachni, krogan, quarians and geth

[@millabasset1710]

I will never play this scene, Tali and Legion enrich the scene so much, it's the proper conclusion to their character arcs.

[@AnimeShinigami13]

I CRIED when Tali and Legion did this scene.

[@jackryan8736]

Definitely agreed with you on that one. I couldn't even bring myself to try and pick a side when I did have Tali and Legion, or intentionally get one killed or forget one in ME2. They provide the better ending to this scenario with the peace option than choosing a side.

[@MinuteLeech2]

Yeah, generally speaking Legion and Tali are the redeeming side of both races. Shepard can have a close relationship with both and picking one or the other is heart wrenching while saving both is rewarding. But without Legion, the Geth are just the evil reaper worshipping AI who have been your enemies since day one. And the Quarians are just ignorant pricks. Really hard to care about either side at that point.

[@aaron75fy]

true, I think this is the best optimal result...well until you're forced to wipe out all synthetic life making what the geth decided to do for the quarians only benefit those volunteers thanks BioWare, you really gave us a good plan that fizzled out in the end

[@brandonvortex995]

I rarely did this if tali and legion died

[@intergalactic92]

Garrus dies: some of his lines get split between Liara and the Turian general, but he doesn’t need replacing for the plot to function. Tali dies: Admiral Raan take her place for crucial plot moments. Has a distinct personality that makes some things different. Mordin dies: another Salarian scientist takes his place, has a different personality but offers the same impact on the plot Wrex dies: his brother Wreav takes his place, functions the same but has a very different personality that changes the nature of the moral question on Tuchunka Legion dies: .........Uh......... a clone of legion takes his place so that we can basically use the same character anyway........

[@tarroes8797]

Well, to be fair, with how legion/the geth function, it makes sense

[@jerm70]

Oh no a Geth hardware unit died. Guess it's good that Mass Effect has Google Drive still.

[@GhostLink92]

@@jerm70 And that fact makes Destroy even better. There's no reason we can't back up EDI or the Geth as a whole, and nuke the Reapers.

[@intergalactic92]

@@GhostLink92apart from the fact that Shepard is the only one who knows and has no way of telling anyone before the wave hits everyone.

[@lyunagamer6897]

No, without Legion you cannot chose the peace. So Legion is crucial to this plot.

[@stephen4006]

The Quarian admiral didn’t even attempt to call off the attack. At least tali tries even if she fails!

[@BioTheHuman]

Writing flaw. This admiral is respected and she could have succeeded to call off the fleet but apparently devs didn't have time/wish to create something new so they just ignored the thing 🤣 "Who is going to let Tali dies anyway?"🤣🤣

[@skrypcio8270]

@@BioTheHuman I doubt its a flaw, she told that gerrel isnt going to stop, as well as Xen. There were 3 admirals at the end, so her voice couldnt change anything. Even when Tali tries, Gerrel is opposing her Command, and you have to do quite a things before to force him to stop attacking

[@BioTheHuman]

@@skrypcio8270 One thing is influencing war or no, but here she's giving a fact about the enemy getting an upgrade that will 100% made geth unstoppable. There is no way you won't listen to her.

[@skrypcio8270]

@@BioTheHuman Gerrel wanna sacrifice you, geth allie and one of other admirals, just to destroy a stupid, already damaged ship. Hes not even listening from beggining if shepard, Tali and korris are telling him to stop. Hes a pure, stubborn fanatic. Theres No way he would listen to one admiral, when theyve already lost other admirals, just because of one person asks for that, and Raana knew this. You can even learn that while geth dreadnought mission

[@Baba-yv6ml]

I mean I saw her put her hand up near his visor, like characters tend to do when they're communicating remotely. I guess BioWare just couldn't be assed to get her to say the lines.

[@ctr1502]

"Does this unit have a soul ?" Meanwhile, psychopathic renegade shepherd stares with his demon eyes, ready to commit genocide.

[@NevinWarrior-es6ds]

​@@gabematthews4532 nah the geth are more valuable

[@NevinWarrior-es6ds]

@@gabematthews4532 obviously, I'd value a peaceful robot over humans that seem to be at stop killing each other any day

[@NevinWarrior-es6ds]

@@gabematthews4532 they were young when they first started fighting the quarians, both are at fault but the quarians have more blame y'know

[@Trialwolf]

These scenes without Tali or Legion feel pretty.... empty, seeing the Geth come up to Shepard and Shepard not saying "...Legion?", ya it just loses everything that made the scenes special, they aren't worth it.

[@dragoneye6642]

Says you. I always felt like killing the Geth was the best way to go do you feel sorry for your toaster or TV or anything electronical that you have when it brakes ? The answer you don't you just get a newer better one and throw the old one in the trash

[@123Nightcloud]

@@dragoneye6642 It depends. People can feel sad when their household items break down and not want to replace it. My dead grandad bought my current kettle a few years ago. My mum and I don't want to get rid of it, even though it's getting on and taking longer to boil water, as it was his last present to us before he got dementia and forgot us before eventually passing. If the kettle broke, I would be distraught. In a less serious example, people have grown attached to their roombas, making nice decorated ports for them and all other cute things But you're comparing sapient AI, living beings (living in a different way to organics, sure, but still living beings), to inanimate objects which literally don't even have VI in them - just a click of a button to make it move or turn on. That's so entirely different from what the Geth are that they're not even really comparable (I'm not saying picking Quarians over Geth is a wrong choice btw - not a choice I would ever make, personally, but it's still understandable why you would want to pick them over the Geth)

[@Kyronea]

@@dragoneye6642 The Geth are not toasters or televisions. They are a sapient race and deserve as much respect as the Quarians and any other species in the Mass Effect universe. Paragon or death. Save everyone.

[@humandisaster3902]

@@dragoneye6642 Geth aren't a toaster. I mean, you could say the same thing about other things too. Why do you feel sad when pixels on a screen and audio files play that represent the death of a fictional character? Because you have empathy for that character, if nothing else that's what the geth are in this universe at their base, which is technology that emulates life. There can be a debate about to what extent, whether emulation or actualisation etc, but the fact is they process and interpret information, which sets them apart from say... a fucking toaster.

[@boomerpro87]

@@dragoneye6642 counter arguments:roombas

[@talmadgeskeen8166]

seeing tali getting hit by a rocket was painful to watch

[@Flufux]

That happened on my first playthrough of Mass Effect 2. Though that really wasn't a rocket, it was one of Harbinger's energy blasts...which honestly made it a lot more personal.

[@jaspergregorio9774]

Yeah I was like NOOOOOO

[@cripplehawk]

In my cycle when I played this game blind. Tali was exiled fortunately she died on the Collector base (By taking the rocket or whatever to the face, I had Legion serve as Fire Team Leader both loyal). So by the time ME3 came I witness Admiral Raan killing herself instead and I do not have to see Tali take a swan dive.

[@earlysteven123]

@@cripplehawk Try again, you can broker peace between them keep Tali alive it’s not that hard

[@cripplehawk]

@@earlysteven123 Already done. Here is her non romantic life story with Shepard kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJOVcntrhq5-rbc

[@Glennstevenson822]

4:02 Shepard being held by the neck by the Geth VI and Liara just standing there enjoying the sea view

[@goldenwoofer4757]

Liara probably thinking: Meh, Shepard can take care of herself

[@GTAVictor9128]

It was a similar case in ME1 when Saren grabs Shepard by the neck.

[@KoKoYoung]

Liara: Forget Shepard! I'm not paid enough for this crap!

[@deontaeavila3514]

100th like

[@gabematthews4532]

I never liked Liara I wish her people could go extinct or at least liara I mean it’s not cool how they mistreated Tali who is probably the best romance I mean why is it that every squadmate except Liara and James can die (not counting harbingers laser) Although James wasn’t around long enough for me to hate him

[@zaguar3153]

As a player who keeps both Tali and Legion loyal and alive right up to this standoff, watching this scenario play out is kind of a downer - but much appreciated nonetheless. Keelah Se'lai, Big Dan!

[@icysteve46]

"I knew it would turn on us, a pity it seemed so sincere" You were about to destroy his entire species. Why wouldn't he "turn on you"

[@monody]

Felt like a pretty weak excuse yeah, when it just witnessed Shep and Rann turn against it and it's whole species first.

[@icysteve46]

@@monody What's a robot to do? Any sentient being would have acted in the same way. except the "bubble people" Quarrian's. They just kill themselves. That's what is so intense about this game. Getting inside the players head and getting him/her emotionally involved with these NPC's then making you pick who has to die.

[@pinkkitteh8511]

Quarians in this whole arc were just so incredibly unsympathetic. Even in the original with tali and legion. The quarians know the galaxy is on fire and they use this moment, now? To retake rannoch. Not only that but they go into a fight they know they can't win, force every single quarian alive to fight for this by even bringing their liveships so that losing isn't an option. And then when told outright that their only plan to win is going up in smoke, but they do have a chance to retrear and live they just choose to die instead? The quarians made their choice, and in the end they made the choice to die. The geth didn't make that choice, and in almost every instance a choice got made for them. Even at this moment the geth vi/legion aren't asking shepard to help them wipe out the quarians. All they're asking is the chance to make a choice, the same chance every other sentient species in the galaxt got to make. The choice to live or die, free and as themselves. In any situation I couldn't save both, it's always a no brainer to choose the geth.

[@spectreagent00]

@@pinkkitteh8511 the geth made their choice too; let them die with the reapers. People over programs.

[@monody]

@@spectreagent00 The Geth didn't make that choice. A small subsection of Geth were infected by Sovereign's virus to create the Geth Heretics. Geth as a collective never sided with the Reapers.

[@obiwanbul]

This makes me wonder how the end slideshow would look like if we let the Quarians die and choose the Destroy ending, killing all Geth. Rannoch would be deserted.

[@matejmikulec1073]

There is slideshow for that... Rannoch is wasteland with rusting structures and decomposing quarian without helmet (just a skeleton at that point)

[@GhostLink92]

I kind of want to do a "genocide" run of Mass Effect when LE comes out. Cause you can basically kill: The Rachni (twice) The Krogan The Geth (destroy ending) The Quarians The Reapers (destroy ending) Not to mention all crew and squadmates you can have die in the interim: Wrex and Ash/Kaiden on Virmire The Council Anyone but 2 loyal squadmates in the Suicide Mission, and the entire Normandy crew, minus Joker, in 2. (Keep Tali alive to maximize this, and let her off herself on Rannoch) Virmire Survivor during the coup. EDI (destroy) Javik (I think he does Prothean seppuku if you look into his memory shard. Or just leave him on Eden Prime) I'm probably forgetting some. I mean I guess Refusal kills everyone, but that's just dumb anyway.

[@matejmikulec1073]

​@@GhostLink92 I did that it was fun...Not just genocide be galactic level asshole too...make udina supreme ruler after killing council, kill samaras daughter after letting her kill herself, let cerberus capture jack and torture her to death, shoot moring, kill wrex in ME3 also advise romancing tali getting her exiled than siding with the geth (this was the only time i ever side with them).. loots of ways you can make this fun

[@lovofofo]

@@GhostLink92 liara and james can die on earth if your war asset score is too low

[@gabematthews4532]

I’m never letting the quarians die (never again after accidentally siding with the Geth and I had to reload)

[@Cthulhuwarlord]

Anyone that willingly chooses one of these options is crazy

[@mojom.9221]

The Quarian were crazy for repeatetly fighting and lost to the Geth. Idiot War mongering Admirals. ... if they just stopped for one moment. In my Headcanon some Quarians survived. In Escape pods or rescured by the geth, because they are kind in nature. (PS: But I dont like Biowares Plot choices here, they could give more options for peace or at least let the Quarians be more conflicted over the war, like in ME2. )

[@mammozdzierzwdupie]

@Mojo M. Machines aren't kind or empathetic, they do logical things. Legion is a very unique unit, the rest of them would rather shoot than rescue quarians. Escape pods are an option indeed.

[@shadowwriter4538]

You're not crazy if you want to create a different story for your Shepards rather than the most obvious/perfect one off the bat.

[@Cthulhuwarlord]

@@shadowwriter4538 if you want to experience the bad path sure. But if this is just from a straight up playthrough i don’t know how the player would blindly get here

[@shadowwriter4538]

@@Cthulhuwarlord If you're new to the game and you don't hold an attachment to those characters in particular then it's possible, regardless of the bad path or not.

[@anarmedrat8966]

Obviously Legion's death is much more meaningful and emotional, but the Geth VI's death was pretty heartfelt too tbf

[@82dorrin]

He represents what the geth were before the heretics and Legion. They didn't actively seek to conquer or harm organics, but they didn't trust them either. Like a lot of isolationist societies in Earth history, they just wanted to be left alone. They went to great lengths to stay isolated, destroying ships that entered the Perseus Veil, for example.

[@hoopsonwheels]

Meanwhile tali’s was pretty impactful while Raan’s I can’t say it was

[@SPVRINNA]

I actually prefer the VI's lines to Legion's. They seem more consistent with what Legion was in ME2. I don't really like the whole "does this unit have a soul" stuff that much.

[@resoody2]

“Does this unit have a soul?” No, I’m not crying 😢

[@HellaFluff]

hearing the difference between legion VI and Legion back to back actually really shook me, Legion is my favorite character and just hearing the emotional differences in the voices is so wild

[@Dagreatdudeman]

Logically speaking, the Geth make better allies: unlimited endurance, fearless, compact, and perfectly balanced infantry units. All they need is a power source and material for new bodies/ships.

[@eccentricdownfall321]

The only problem is the destroy ending :/

[@MrZOMBIESx]

@@eccentricdownfall321 no problem here, use em then lose em more galaxy for the rest of us

[@jomnix]

Fearless? They joined the reapers for fear...

[@Dagreatdudeman]

@@jomnix In combat they are fearless, so long as they have a Prime to fall back on. The Quarians pose an existential to Geth.

[@TealJosh]

Problem is, Quarian ships are especially designed to fight synthetics. I'm in fact fairly sure war readiness is higher if you side with Quarians.

[@mikeperry6224]

I like the TALI & LEGION character's too much, to get that ending. Thank you for showing what would happen. It was fascinating.

[@bubbahunez3383]

Seeing the Geth fleet go out like that and Legion getting so desperate... how could anyone ever 😭

[@skrypcio8270]

Its not real legion so whatever, pretty sad but hes just getting angry

[@gabrielrussell5531]

@@skrypcio8270 It's a backup of Legion before the encounter on the derelict reaper.

[@mattmark94]

me, if peace wasn't an option I would always pick quarians

[@gabematthews4532]

@@mattmark94 I accidentally sided with the geth and had to reload but if I’d known I was choosing a side I choose the quarians and I will never side with the geth again

[@austinmann1435]

The most painful line "we were correct not to trust organics" like damn...true though. If they didnt trust shepard then they would have won against the war. It is the geth who give them the key to their own demise

[@jepe4537]

Dude. When shep chooses the geth over the quarians and the the quarian goes SHEPARD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE. Shepards timid response had me in stitches. Shep: sorry. 🥺 LOL. sorry for ENDING your race haha my bad 🥺🥺😆

[@jepe4537]

6:22

[@scottishninja545]

"We were right to distrust organics." Yeah man you bet your circuits you were right 😭😭

[@ronny3632]

the first, I played ME3 Tali killing her self broke my heart I couldn't finish the game had to start over to save her

[@gabematthews4532]

I feel you I did the same thing accidentally although I still feel the guilt of that choice 🤬 BioWare for their paragon traps

[@bryanandersonmt]

I completed this mission yesterday, and i was pretty happy that i could achieve peace between Geth and the Quarians, but i miss Legion, he was one of my favorite from ME2

[@donniebentley6813]

I wish the legendary edition would let you recruit him sooner

[@ASR-Ansori]

5:32 "Your name will go down in our histories, Commander Shepard. Keelah Se'lai." A shame Raan doesn't say this in the scenario where the quarians and the geth unite and make peace. In fact having the plural "histories" there almost makes me think it was meant to be there, since it'd stand as Shepard being now a big part of both quarian and geth history.

[@meghanhause9435]

Yup, also on Earth, you can talk to Geth Prime as well, if you sided with the Geth, but you got peace between the two, you will only get a quarian, I forget their name, but I think you should be able to talk to both, you got peace between the two.

[@rudyspeaks3513]

You're the best channel man. Most videos on ME hypotheticals never have detail like this.

[@BigDanGaming]

I appreciate that! Glad you're enjoying the vids

[@gabematthews4532]

@@BigDanGamingcan you do an interaction to the crew over the loss of tali if you romanced her I’m tempted to see for myself but I don’t think it’s worth watching her die again I just wanna see if the reactions are different like if Garrus said “I know I never saw tali’s face” but Shepard did I’m wondering if he would ask what she looked like

[@nickrffpatellis852]

We were correct to distrust organics. Uploading the code. "Turns his back to the armed quarian

[@tanker00v25]

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[@eddiefernandez2584]

Without Tali, we honestly have no reason to sympathize with the Quarians. They started the Geth conflict, they initiated another war in the midst of a Reaper invasion, and multiple times we see that the Geth don’t want to fight with them. Even the Geth actually regret that the Quarians had to be destroyed.

[@gennarosavastano9424]

Even with her, i never side with them. They are genocidal unreliable idiots

[@Trattato68]

Yes, the only reasons to choose Quarians are Tali and / or if you think that it is only the flesh that establishes the value of life. Because from a moral point of view it is the Quarians who are dead wrong and I am sure that in their place we would have done the same.

[@gennarosavastano9424]

@Jotaro97 they started war with geth when geth was peaceful and didn't even try to kill them, because they didn't like what geth said. They fired first shots and did everything to kill all geth and quarans who wanted protect their geth too. Geth was only defending themselves AND those quarians who are alive are alive thanks to geth. Geth allowed them to escape and survive, they abandoned pursuing them. They could kill them all to last one but didn't, unlike what quarians wanted to do with them. They had more humanity and compassion then those jar head idiots. You are not too bright or didn't really paid attention during the game

[@eddiefernandez2584]

@Jotaro97 Clearly you didn’t pay attention to the story. The Geth did not commit genocide against the Quarians, quite the opposite. Their entire conflict began because the Quarians attempted to wipe out the Geth after realizing they were becoming sentient. The Quarians were then driven off their own home world and the Geth did not even choose to pursue them afterwards. If the Geth were truly evil they would have wiped them out easily on day one - the entire conflict is the Quarians fault, you nut

[@Bezi012]

Dan I hope you've seen what would happened during the Rannoch mission as well as other bits of dialogue if only Legion died in Mass Effect 2, unfortunately got this outcome once and it was heart breaking when I chose to take the quarian side as Tali and Shepard were trying to compare the Geth VI to Legion to which it was constantly repeating "We are not Legion"

[@BigDanGaming]

I still haven't seen that. It's amazing how many variations there are with these games that even after hundreds and hundreds of hours I still haven't seen everything.

[@Dennis-up8uf]

Regular Legion uses the ‘irrationality’ appeal too. It’s about whether or not you are with Raan.

[@spartanq7781]

There are so many paths that anyone with sense will never see. That's what KZbin is for.

[@Dralle86]

This is like trying to end ME2 with no survivors.... you can do it but damn it’s hard to watch

[@onje_berdy1590]

I just imagined a series, where each episode would be a one specific version of some chain of events in AI's mind which is trying to predict something.

[@MrNicoJac]

AI don't predict. They just tabulate probabilities. #pedantic😅

[@huitlang931]

@@MrNicoJacpredict: say or estimate that (a specified thing) will happen in the future or will be a consequence of something. Key word "estimate", op had perfect phrasing.

[@MrNicoJac]

@@huitlang931 A true prediction would need some key turn of events. I have yet to see an AI that can recognize which events might be historically plausible and predict one of those. What I have seen is a computer picking from a human-made pre-programmed list, or mixing and matching existing words. But I think you'll agree that neither of those would satisfy a human audience. I'm not sure if you've ever heard of Process Tracing, but it takes WAY more understanding than just statistics 😅

[@Justin-ym5ce]

“Would you like to import your save into Mass Effect 4?”

[@gabematthews4532]

Here are my choices for an import to ME4 I just hope they bring back the original characters Wrex and Eve with genophage cure Original council Geth and quarian peace with Tali romance Ending is either Control or Destroy I don’t see Shepard surviving synthesis or refusal

[@AudeKhatru]

This is depressing. Like others, I will never try to get this scenario. I can think of only one thing as depressing, and that is shooting Mordin to keep him from ending the Genophage. I did that once, and it left me feeling dirty. Having to kill Wrex made it even worse. Saving Mordin and tricking Wreav was worth seeing, but I really prefer letting Mordin sacrifice himself to end a 1000 year long tragedy. Saving both the Geth and the Quarians is the best moment in the entire game. I just wish that you could reference that accomplishment to the Star Child, because you just proved that the created do not always have to kill their creators. It may take a lot of finagling and someone like Shepard to get them both through their conflict, but it can happen. In my opinion, this one accomplishment shows why this cycle is different, because this cycle has Shepard, and with Shepard at the head, anything is possible.

[@brainconqueror8095]

I used to think achieving peace was the highlight of the trilogy, but now I think that sabotaging the genophage cure and keeping Mordin alive is the true highlight. Peace is pretty easy to achieve - all you have to do is be nice to all parties involved and save Koris. But the genophage sabotage to get both Krogan and salarian help highlights the dirty nature of realpolitik that is actually required to get disparate groups yo work for you. It is this willingness to do the morally questionable dirty work towards a greater good that the trilogy is truly about imho.

[@AudeKhatru]

@@brainconqueror8095 I do like saving Mordin, but then you have to lose Wrex, and the Citadel DLC just isn't as fun without him. So, I will let Mordin make his noble sacrifice and take Wrex for the Citadel DLC every time.

[@brainconqueror8095]

@@AudeKhatru I don’t take the Citadel DLC seriously anyway! It just doesn’t fit in with the general sense of desperation and impending doom that the rest of the game has. It makes much more sense as a coda to be played after defeating the Reapers and saving the galaxy - one final hurrah before everyone has to go their separate ways and help their species rebuild. But since we got the ending we got, even that doesn’t make sense!

[@Wryteous]

"We regret the deaths of the creators" Even after being hated by Quarians for the last 300 years and nearly being exterminated by them in the final battle. The Geth show more empathy and understanding than any of the Quarian Admirals do.

[@gennarosavastano9424]

Exactly. That's why I always choose geth

[@DarkLordMorningstar]

It makes me want to side with the Geth over the Quarians if it comes down to it.

[@andreww4012]

The reality of these moments, including the normal scenes with Tali and Legion, is that this plot line is written SO well that by the end of ME3 you've gone from preferring the historically unlucky quarians over the boogeyman geth, to potentially having the exact opposite feelings. Context is the bottom line, and armed with knowledge, (if you can't Paragon/Renegade your way out of this), it can make more sense to side with the geth from a tactical and moral standpoint. Just an insane arc that the writers deserve more credit for.

[@Trattato68]

And to think that the original idea was to drop the geth insight to make room for the fact that element zero is the cause of the Reapers harvest. That would have been very trivial

[@editorrbr2107]

RALLY THE FLEET

[@blackmambo8702]

@@Trattato68 Element zero is the cause of the reapers harvest?! What, I didnt know that! Or was that just the original idea?

[@Trattato68]

@@blackmambo8702 Only the original idea, yes

[@Jawmax]

What about Priority Horizon if Miranda is dead? As I recall her sister Oriana takes over.

[@angelwashere8864]

Yes Im happy someone brought this up I hope BiggieD notices this comment and makes a video on it.

[@frostedflakes7306]

I wanna see this.

[@DepressionShaman]

Yes. The scenes play out a bit different, but Oriana is the one who is warning people to stay away from Sanctuary.

[@ncberz11]

Anyone else notice that Leion/Geth VI grabs and drags Shepherd just like Saren does on Virmire?

[@xenon8117]

Well he has a Geth arm so it makes sense.

[@ncberz11]

@@xenon8117 but it’s the same animation as well

[@mamacitasenorita1680]

In my first blind playthrough this happened to me, Tali my romance died because I forgot to upgrade my ship and I sold Legion to cerberus because I was scared if I activated it one of my squadmates would die. Only until after finishing me3 did I realize I had worst possible outcome for Geth-Quarian conflict. Punished my ass for being too neutral and not careful enough!

[@sockmonkeyjg]

It's hard to support the quarian side after this as the fight was done they chose to continue it

[@Dadhicrawan]

We can support quarians just because they are organic. But it would be difficult to support them if there was no Tali in their civilization.

[@pinder262]

@@Dadhicrawan agreed

[@ChaseWSanders]

I think it really comes down to if you believe synthetics have souls. If they are truly people, and not just machines, then the quarians have absolutely wronged them. However, if you only view the Geth as hyper-advanced AI (machines without souls or true freedom of will and thought), then the quarians have every right to destroy them if they wish. They are the creators, after all. In the real world, I feel comfortable concluding that machines do not have souls. I can program a robot to scream, cry, laugh: all kinds of "human" reactions to stimuli. But, it's an illusion. The robot is only acting in the way that I programmed it to act. It does not have a soul, it does not have free will (except within the parameters I set), and it is absolutely my right to destroy it if I wish. Robots in the future may appear even more human-like, but it will still be a machine and nothing more. In Mass Effect's world, things don't necessarily have to play out like they would in reality. Perhaps Geth DO have souls. Perhaps, after attaining free will, the Geth are now on the level of organic people. I don't really believe so, and that largely plays into my decision to destroy the reapers and inorganic life at the end of the game. But, I can understand people believing differently because this is a video game and literally anything could be true. In my eyes, though, the quarians did nothing wrong because the Geth are their creation and they have the right to destroy them if they wish to do so.

[@zach942]

@@ChaseWSanders DNA is just another form of code, albeit an organic one, whos to say we even have souls to begin with?

[@ChaseWSanders]

@@zach942 That's my point entirely. Souls are impossible to "prove," yet I believe they do exist. An easier concept to understand is the "mind." A brain does not necessitate a mind. Many simple organisms have brains. A mind is not physical. Yet, you know it exists.

[@MrDirtysoul]

I like watching these type of videos cuz there options I'm never ever gonna pick

[@Zymemaru]

AKA the scene I got on my first playthough since I lost Tali in Legion at the collector base.

[@BigDanGaming]

damn that's a brutal run

[@zachmali4071]

Did you pick geth or quarians?

[@Zymemaru]

@@zachmali4071 quarians. I'm not gonna sacrifice an entire alien species for some robots.

[@zachmali4071]

@@Zymemaru yah also if you pick the destroy ending it pretty much kills the quarians for no reason.

[@Zymemaru]

@@zachmali4071 i think you mean geth. I picked destroy and the quarians were fine

[@yheralawha6921]

I actually cried during the destruction scene for both fleets, watching this- watching hurt.

[@Powerhauz]

I like these videos. It tells me the devs took extra time to put in extra interactions in case some one was wild enough to go these routes. Thanks Dan

[@sydney229]

I still remember to this day, I was in college my freshman year finishing up Mass Effect 3 (I was very behind, this was 2014) and I got to this mission, redid it twice thinking id done something wrong, then looked it up and went back to make sure I did everything correctly to get peace in ME3 itself, played the mission again, still couldn't get peace and realized I couldn't get it without going back and replaying half of ME2. At that point, I promptly turned the game off and didn't touch it again for 2 months until I mustered the will to do ME2 again properly. I absolutely refused to go with the one or the other ending because if I had to pick a side, I went with the Geth, and the fact that Tali suicides and you don't get to keep Legion regardless made the mission impossible to complete without peace.

[@graywolfdracon]

Thank you for posting these videos. Most of us just couldn't meet the circumstances for all of these various scenarios.

[@Alitheone6618]

This is so sad! I just wouldn't be able to deal with this playthrough...😥 I'll leave this stuff to you man😅

[@anonymous6666]

beeg dans videos just keep getting better. never thought of this mass effect, if you will.

[@610Hobbies]

Pretty good video, it's amazing how exploring Mass Effect trilogy's possibilities is almost like making a documentary.

[@eranbenzeev627]

The geth feel sorry for killing the quarians. The quarians are glad the geth are gone Remind me again which is organic and which is machine?

[@connorllewellyn6289]

Only good geth is a dead one

[@gennarosavastano9424]

Exactly. Quarians can go kick rocks

[@MrStrizver]

Quarians brought it on themselves. They had every opportunity to change their own fate.

[@timothypeterson4781]

She doesn't even try to call off the fleet. She's the real villain here.

[@Matt-bg5wg]

Tali throws herself off a cliff *PARAGORN INTERUPT* Shepard:.... shit

[@stitchfan08]

When i did this one time it was a easy choice the geth are the easiest choice without them

[@Badmunky64]

Amen. The Geth are way more interesting than the Quarians.

[@watcherofmemelords7967]

Why choose when you can make them work together to make the biggest of guns.

[@Chittysushi]

Not just for extra war assets but I do prefer the peaceful ending where the Geth and Quarians settle their differences. I made the mistake of not doing the VR quest before this one and had to go back because watching Tali take off her mask and throw herself in the water was too heartbreaking to live with.

[@animo9050]

​@@gabematthews4532 I also felt that ultimately, the Geth were in the right here, they were only acting in self preservation whereas the Quarians twice attempted to commit genocide.

[@SkodenStoodisEh]

I remember the very first time I played this and tali jumped lol crazy. I literally stopped and started over.

[@gabematthews4532]

I feel your pain I should never have replayed ME2 to save everyone because legion was 1 of my characters that died so maybe if I had continued my original save with the geth VI then I would have refused to let the geth upload the code

[@d1psy85]

I've seen the Geth VI because I played ME3 without playing any other games prior to that. But I've just learned about the Tali replacement.

[@13CrystalMoon]

I would sacrifice ANYONE in the damn game to save Legion, this quest is a mistake.

[@themadspartan]

1 word I get from this.. *Pain.*

[@awesomehpt8938]

What kind of monster would have a play through without legion and tali

[@onje_berdy1590]

I am. In my third walkthrough.

[@TheWesLesley]

in my original playthrough, legion died because jakob is an idiot. :( RIP toasterman

[@millabasset1710]

I view Garrus as Robin(Dick Grayson) and Tali as Batgirl.

[@mastertadakatsu]

@@TheWesLesley Should have sent him to do the vent run.

[@mastertadakatsu]

@@millabasset1710 Does that make Wrex Red Hood.

[@KarmaNeverTouches]

Unpopular opinion: if peace cannot be made, I choose the geth. They asked if they were people, if they had souls and the Quarian responded with attempted genocide. "IT" didn't betray you, you betrayed them, Raan. Even with Tali and Legion, the Quarian were told to stop attacking and refused. They were the aggressors from the beginning.

[@vec1954]

If you've watched "The Expanse" Shala'Raan all of a sudden sounds eerily similar to Chrisjen Avaserala. You're welcome, you can't unhear it.

[@klassensj2]

Eerily similar because its the same person.

[@frostedflakes7306]

This guy be coming up with some crazy stuff. He going for all options. Lol 😆

[@RenegadeRanga]

I didn't care too much about the geth blowing the piss out of the quarians, the quarians brought it on themselves. However when I learned that you could achieve peace that was a satisfying ending, until you destroy synthetic life.

[@editorrbr2107]

What kind of sociopath even gets these options organically?!

[@ferrous719]

Kinda cool that they planned it out that far, though. How terrible would it have been for the game to be so boring no one bothered to say "what if...?" Because it wasn't worth the time to do it

[@jeanabeana8818]

Okay, rescuing the Geth is just too heartbreaking for words. They will wipe out an entire race of beings, and they're not even sentient. They're robots. I couldn't do it, personally. The Quarians are one of my favorite races, next to the Drell 😅

[@gabematthews4532]

Yeah I still feel the guilt from accidentally choosing the geth I made the mistake of trusting them I hate how BioWare disrespects Tali and the quarians so much I mean I think we can all agree Tali is best girl Maybe if BioWare made Liara able to die (other than harbingers laser) then I wouldn’t feel as mad but since they didn’t then 🤬 BioWare for making that a paragon option They better work harder on the next game and bring back the quarians

[@orkiso1]

Always go peace. But if I had to choose I would choose Quarians no doubt. At the end of the day both species (yes I agree Geth are alive) are willing to help and have good motivations, however for 300 years these quarians suffered a horrible life trying to survive the mistakes of their ancestors while the Geth killed any organic being that came close to their system for 300 years. People blame Quarians as if they are one singular shared network like the Geth, as if they don't have millions of civilians, children, babies, old people just trying to survive.

[@MrDusty515]

Honestly I could never do this kind of play through, this situation would never be as impactful without Tali and Legion and from a moral standpoint, I would prefer to make peace between the Geth and Quarians.

[@wayneenglouen9178]

Tali and legion are 2 of my favorites. I will never not save the geth and quarians. Therefore I can never accept the destroy option as cannon.

[@spartenkiller456]

You realize you can just turn then back on right? It's kind of a huge plothole, but starkid says without reapers organics will build synthetics that will be there undoing. Well if we can go right back to building robot's again, what's the harm? Does Casey hudson expect me to believe that the geth or Edi don't back up they're hard drives? If we can rebuild the fucking mass relay's, I'm pretty sure we can rebuild our robot friend's. Geth and Edi are fine, or they will be shortly after the dust clears.

[@foxfire7]

Once I did a playthrough which my goal was to leave the Galaxy as empty as possible without like, *trying* to get low EMS. Sacrificed the rachni, killed most of the team in the suicide mission, sacrificed the council, the krogan to the genophage, picked the Geth's side in the war and then pick the destroy ending which means they die. It was horrible XD

[@shubhamgupta4919]

Maaaaan, you spend way too much time on this game. Now I'm going to resume my 5th playthrough of 2

[@mediumvillain]

I'm kind of excited to get started on a roleplayed space racist hardass soldier renegade playthrough just to see all the ways I can ruin things in the galaxy, but Im still pretty invested in Andromeda which I started after the first LE run. It's a shame MEA doesnt have as many big choices and even more of a shame that we wont ever get to see the consequences of those choices.

[@zerominiatures4676]

He really did prefer to have his fleet destroyed in the home-world’s sky rather than retreat

[@judostar11]

This is interesting and different because I always had legion and tali for this mission and I always managed to secure peace between the two since I try to do all the side stuff before moving onto the main missions. After I do my headcanon playthrough of the Legendary Edition I might try to do the scene where Legion isn't recruited. I usually send him in the vents during the suicide mission so it'll be weird not having him for that but seeing Tali stab the Geth VI and seeing that scene where the Quarians win will be interesting.

[@mrmarvel9309]

I remember guilt tripping my sister when she first played ME3, she skipped the dialogue so wasn't paying attention. I might've made her cry more when Tali killed herself. That's a hard scene to watch. Admittedly I went for it myself when I did a playthrough where I got everyone's names on the death board on the Normandy (had to go back to the suicide mission and change the outcome with the reaper). In that play through only Javik and EDI survived. Both times it was hard to see as Tali was my favourite character.

[@justicetaylor3050]

Wait! How did Liara die in ME3?!

[@explodingpulse6393]

@@justicetaylor3050 he got the worst destroy ending where 2 squad mates die when the mako flips over and on the flip side note all your squad mates on earth die. Because earth gets obliterated by the crucible.

[@mrmarvel9309]

@@explodingpulse6393 You're right about Liara's death but the destroy is why I went back to ME2. I had such a low war effort destroy killed everyone. I wanted the Normandy to live for people to have a record, so I chose control.

[@youraverageinternetperson4323]

Obviously peace is the most preferable option, but in incidents where peace is impossible to achieve, I side with the geth 100% of the time. Legion says the same thing about the quarians being irrational if Tali is dead and it's completely correct. Paragon Shep said it best regarding the quarians. "Your entire history is you trying to destroy the geth. You forced them to rebel. You forced them to ally with the Reapers."

[@gennarosavastano9424]

Quarians did absolutely EVERYTHING to NOT stop war. I choose Legion every time

[@lukavidakovic2385]

i destroy the synthetics anyways

[@yukibelmont5767]

I destroyed the

[@AngryRockMan]

The Quarians constantly chose war, so their extinction is really their fault.

[@axelnilsson5124]

This was actually a questioned I’ve asked myself for a few days how would the retaking of Rannoch play out without the 2 major characters involved

[@gabematthews4532]

I just can’t do a playthrough without Tali or Garrus I accidentally lost the quarians on Rannoch and had to reload I HATE PARAGON TRAPS

[@shadowstep9]

First playthrough of ME3, I forgot to import and decided to roll with it. This scene without legion and tali happened. I sided with the geth and went with the low EMS destroy ending. RIP.

[@thewoundedwarg3254]

This was my play through, first and only time so far

[@alken355]

Dan, you are the F#@king man. I have never had the heart to do what you did.

[@jakisz]

If peace wasn't a option, I go with the Geth everytime.

[@ianfudo5040]

Me too, after watching that the quarians would still attack them no matter what.

[@StevenJQuinlan]

Not gonna lie, Raan blowing the geth away with a shotgun feels a lot more solid than Tali stabbing it with a knife. Terrible ending either way though

[@jonathanhensley6141]

The thing about the geth is the tail's people created them then got jealous of their creations rather working with them.

[@Joshua-bb7hj]

When Raan says "I knew it would turn on us." made me mad tbh. Like come on you are literally saying to it's face that you are going to kill all of them, who wouldn't fight back in that scenario

[@SPVRINNA]

I'm usually able to create peace between the two factions without issue, but if I had to choose, I'd go with the Geth. Even back since ME1, I always took their side against Tali and the Quarians in our conversations (I wouldn't give her the data for her pilgrimage either because I didn't believe in their cause--even on my first playthrough of the series I believed this.) My favorite part of the whole arc is being able to punch Gerrel in the stomach with the Renegade interrupt. Either way you're supporting genocide, but at least in the case of the Geth it's just a defensive posture.

[@ConvergingWinter]

"I knew it'll turn on us" well maybe because you decided to eradicate them all????

[@owenf5222]

Yknow, if this game was more linear, then you’d never even get here, you’d hit a game over when the important npcs died and never reach this kind of scenario. This hurts so much to watch, I’d never want to play through to this point. This is SO much worse than a game over. But I am glad that it is part of the game, even if I never, ever want to play through it.

[@C-Hood]

It’s crazy when you think about how throughout the series, Shepard has the chance to commit genocide to like 4 different species lmaooo. The rachni, geth, quarians, and Krogan.

[@Zaknafein]

This is what happened on my first playthrough of ME3. I was wondering where Tali was throughout the game, and then I realized both her and Legion had died in the suicide mission.

[@reanaa]

Seeing Legion plead for his existence...I just can't.

[@m3tr0id86]

I would never do that scenario. I can't bring myself to have Tali gone or without my boy Legion. Thanks for showing the possibility of what if. I knew about the Geth VI possibility, but I could never do so myself.

[@JohnTrustworthy]

The stand ins must have felt like the warm ups for the duel of the champion gladiators of Rome and Verona. Now that's an odd reference. Though just think about it. Meta wise they know they must kill each other and at the same time no one cares if they die.

[@DarKGameR177]

Thanks for sharing this one Dan.. but didn't you explain these situations in your earlier video... oh well keep them coming 👍😁

[@IrnFox]

I'm planning to be solo survivor of ME2 at some point. Will see how that goes!

[@82dorrin]

9:28 "We regret the deaths of the creators"

[@dsmiley53]

Wow, I never even considered this mission without Tali or Legion. Interesting. I love Shoreh Agshadloo and hearing her deliver more dialog is cool. But I'd still rather have Tali and Legion. Thanks Big Dan for playing this out so we don't have to!

[@camrynduplessis2743]

Hearing Geth VI aka legion saying please really shows his desperation to save his race and finally give them their first chance at life and it really hits the most with him when you think about the fact that the geth have no emotions whatsoever so it even saying please is just amazing

[@darthjayder9914]

I'm glad that I managed to not kill Tali or Legion before this. My brother(ferasin) had beat ME2 first and even after replaying the hack scene with legion as hacker instead of tali Ferasin still managed to lose Tali after the larvae fight and my other brother also lost Tali at this scene and legion and after that she-shep had a mental breakdown but my character (Jameson son-of-james sheperd) is so baddass that I saved every single character in every scene and had the option to intimidate gerrell into not firing at geth which in haindsight I should have done that because it would go with the character development I was attempting thus not loosing tali or legion Managed to seal me pulling of that scene perfectly ... sorry for gloating

[@mrsleep0000]

I'm about to hit this scenario, lol, been an interesting play through. Decided to make ME2 interesting, lost Tali, Thane and Kasumi, forgot to activate Legion.