BIG DEBATE: Whiteness (Season 7 Ep 2)

[@njabuloqumbisa7601]

7 years from this debate, things are worse instead of better💔

[@tshepangrakalemakou7884]

True and sad reality

[@missedinfo4623]

Coz its all talk. White people love this.

[@kadyjee]

Look white people are made by Demonic satanic Evils they should leave black people aline we honestly don't want them go white people so we black can live our lives in peace I rest my Case!

[@kadyjee]

Monique is a liar she's hiding the truth of who she is of course white people are racist all of them!

[@Ziggy_Poitier]

White ppl need to leave Africa 🤞🏾💯💯 they’ve raped the continent for more than a millennium..we can only heal if we have the chance to govern ourselves and benefit from our own continent

[@SA-su7kq]

I'm not south African but I keep watching these debates! It's just interesting.

[@SA-su7kq]

@breezy East Africa, living in North America.

[@mampoestimosala9048]

Welkom bro

[@joe_lubinda]

Same here.

[@realworld2494]

Some here

[@realworld2494]

This is a much bigger issue than just South Africa and why I don't know we all come from the same God and I think he would be ashamed of us all

[@13BeatKing]

I'm a Black Man in America and I just have to say, debates like this still HAVE NOT happened in America and that's horrible. I commend the SA people as a whole for taking up these discussions honestly because it shows that you've recognized the problem and are actively working toward a solution, no matter how painful that may be. We, in America, have yet to make it that far in our racial evolution and the same problems are wreaking havoc on our country to this day....

[@tiffanymorris5588]

Not true. we've had/have these types of meetings/rallies in black America since we've gotten here...

[@13BeatKing]

@@tiffanymorris5588 In Black America, no doubt. But I mean America as a whole. America itself has yet to confront the truth of what they did to us or Native Americans. That's what I think gives cover to all those who deny the atrocities this country is built and still thrives on.

[@tiffanymorris5588]

The natives have been compensated handsomly for what happened to them...they won't address us because of what you just did, you involved and spoke for a different group of formally oppressed people that don't care about speaking up for you.

[@13BeatKing]

@tiffanymorris5588 That's absolutely not why THEY don't address us. And speaking up for other oppressed groups have nothing to do with the oppressors and why they do what they do. Speaking up for other groups means we have compassion for our fellow human beings. We aren't them.

[@tiffanymorris5588]

@@13BeatKing did you know the natives don't want us here??? have you ever been to a native American festival, sure you haven't...my point is black America doesn't even know their enemies...do you know how silly we sound speaking up for wealthy natives when our own children are suffering....as long as we seek refuge within other groups we can be exploited

[@GoogleUser-wy2vv]

I enjoyed the intelligent comic that spoke of being left at home with a black women to raise him while being taught to hate...then "African time". Why would one expect blacks to run to make others rich? Good thinking from an evolved man that understands. I would like to see and hear more of him.

[@desertchild3550]

There is a serious need for these debates to take place daily.

[@joshuataylor3550]

Amazing that they think the signing of a paper immediately resolves racism overnight.

[@changestrangers]

No, but you have to start somewhere.

[@wonjubhoy]

A fantastic show. What I like about this is that race related issues are debated frankly and often passionately. There's no political correctness or cancel culture here which makes the debate compelling viewing.

[@minorabladeofficial4071]

The question of "Who is Oppressed by who?" Was left unanswered. I wanted to hear that.

[@9175rock]

🙄😒

[@lettahsenoelo2604]

i think that is the biggest question , and finding an answer may help solve majority o four issues

[@masitanetv4181]

Indeed it was left unanswered

[@justleon721]

Because an honest answer would shut down the debate since it's really not about white vs black.

[@michellechituku5685]

@Nanda Das that's a shallow view, if someone gets raped, and the rapist dies, dealing with the effects of the rapist do not end just because the rapist has died. Apartheid ended in 1994, it's more recent than you think.

[@mike-waynedjangoii6971]

When someone says PJ Powers is not a defender of black people's rights you know that person is ignorant

[@anticorrup-g5o]

We need to revisit this debate now in 2024

[@SiyabongaMbanjwa]

Dankie Masechaba but i think this show should be two hours because you end up shutting down people while they still have interesting points to say

[@lulamazibi9430]

There was a lot to cover nyani.

[@phumulanipehlongwane8048]

Poor Sarah my sister you can't blame your self as an individual I respect what you are doing but you don't have to be emotionally destroyed like this...Yes you are white part of the problem but you my sister you don't have to suffer alone.

[@turquoisepurple7sky151]

Stop the cap

[@9175rock]

People weren't capable of understanding what the sista Wanelise said. It's about pride, honor, self esteem, etc. Its about consciousness, image, self respect. Not about someone feeling sorry and giving it back to you.

[@lwazimkhwanazi3794]

She is stupid and toxic 🤞🏾

[@الهدىهدىالله-ش7ي]

I think one of the methods south Africans can employ to resolve this issue is to work together, blacks and whites who think the same against injustice. Working together for the truth and recognizing each other based on that will bring blacks and whites as brothers and sisters because you'll realize that some people honestly care. And one should not be judged based another's ideas and actions.

[@davidnfila1316]

Too much hate and anger that clouds judgement. No compromise. There are people who are willing to regenerate SA society.

[@adminRQ]

You are quite obviously not Black. The goal is freedom, not keeping the oppressors as "brothers".

[@thandolwethusithole4706]

i hear you but sadly i don't see that happening. at least not in this generation...

[@elbiedorman1266]

@@adminRQwhat does that mean-hatred taught by your so-called parliamentary saviours to get your votes to fill their pockets with money?

[@belindatamukedde5817]

Yesss, we don't want an equality of poverty. We want an equality of wealth

[@mariussielcken]

How can you expect equality of wealth when black countries are historically less developed?

[@trentbusta1]

The country has been subverted, Marxism is rampant get out!!!

[@mariussielcken]

@@wandiledlamini4916 compare Nigeria with England, Germany or France and the underdevelopment becomes obvious.

[@mariussielcken]

@@wandiledlamini4916 developing resources is not theft

[@mariussielcken]

@@wandiledlamini4916 the difference between richer and poorer African nations is that the poorer ones didn't get colonized.

[@makungumathonsi333]

Hennie van Vureen,he's a man,am a black young south African but i have much respect to this man he's knowledgeable and wise..big up man,you should be a leader of imapctful portfolio

[@evettemadlala6697]

Definitely

[@Chidds]

I don't know much about the realities of living in South Africa, but I do know racism when I see it, and it has no racial boundaries. I'm always astonished how those who are complete racists, themselves can complain about the racism of others and systems around them.

[@cgortz89]

Exactly. This is definitly on a problematic and dangerous level. I also don't see it as connecting together with creating a good development, as they seem to have social norms that push against "working like a white" by coming in time for the job, etc. I could understand only the black woman that come from a clear poverty area, but most of the rest seemed so racist that I don't see them coming with reasonable longterm solutions.

[@justleon721]

Projection is a major problem these days.

[@Aquatofana-xcx]

Racism =prejudice +power …educate yourselves

[@Chidds]

@@Aquatofana-xcx Racism itself refers to an attitude, belief, and/or action. What you are alluding to is a sociological concept known as institutional racism. Perhaps sort out your own education, before demanding for others to educate themselves.

[@krunoslavkovacec1842]

100 percent. SOme people feel entitled to be openly racist while others are booed for saying facts...

[@cebongwetsheni2274]

I think such debates will only be effective when these wealthy families like Oppenheimer's mentioned, are involved in the debates. We need to hear their side of the story. In these panels I see average black and white South Africans.

[@lettahsenoelo2604]

your correct , is pointless to listen to ppl who have no idea what they are talking about . plus wanting impossible things show lack of maturity

[@dietlindvonhohenwald448]

They do not care about any of this. They are rich enough to have several estates in several countries, their money is safely invested off shore and they have their private gated communities and personal body guards. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

This is true. But also people, I believe, are under the misapprehension that anyone with a piece of land or a farm is "wealthy". This isn't the case. Especially when the government are debating stripping them of that land-- it devalues the land completely. And these farmers work hard and are the ones providing the country with food. Hand them over to poor blacks and they won't produce food anymore, as happened in Zimbabwe. @@dietlindvonhohenwald448

[@thabengmokgautsi2519]

I am a young black man from Botswana. I honestly empathize with the black community for the struggles that they have endured due to apartheid, but it is genuinely disheartening to watch how there is no self introspection within the black community and they are quick to point the fingers at apartheid or even foreigners because of their economic status. The government has been black run for years, why not point the fingers at the same people governing the country? The ANC during it's tenure has been entangled with countless corruption schemes and getting away with it in masses embezzling money that should be going towards refining the country's beggarly situation. I feel like it is purely unfair to crucify some of the white women who are there and are genuinely and earnestly there to promote equality especially Sarah why is she being attacked? she wasn't there during the time of oppression, she has a conscious and she knows what the right way of life is. Wanelisa my sister of color it is truly admirable of how you want to fight for land reform, but is that the right way of going about it? promoting violence? The blatant ignorance I see being displayed when you don't have a firm understanding of the basis of how things have been operating even when more older people are trying to get you to fathom is just a reflection on how ignorant we can be as a race. There is a certain way we should approach things and it should be in a progressive manner not with a closeted mindset because of the pain and suffering that has been endured for years and years.

[@suesykes6798]

This is my first time watching these videos, as there is so much hatred towards white people in South Africa. I myself am white, however have no reason to lie about it either, but I am no racist. Let me just say wow I really admire what you had to say being a black person yourself. I so wish others of colour saw things the way you do. Thank you 😊

[@CarolynBatson-cn2ie]

@@suesykes6798How LONG must Black South Africans wait when their land was taken. Not much has changed since Mandela.

[@suesykes6798]

@@CarolynBatson-cn2ie Sorry for them, but how many of them actually know what to do with that land. I'm no rascist and I do a lot to help the less fortunate. I hate seeing people going hungry. But I wish the black people would stop having all these children when they can't look after them.

[@blub-tf6rt]

U r disgusting​@@suesykes6798

[@illsam_za]

I saw a small clip of this on Twitter and I love how everyone expressed themselves within the anger, confusion and empathy. If we have more topics around this we’ll be able to heal people more. We have to tackle the issue head on whether it angers us, saddens us but that’s the only way to go forwadd

[@Axz92Axz]

I have never seen racism and self hate on this scale before during my lifetime, and when hearing that girl talk openly and proudly about a race war is rather worrying. You only need to ask any Tutsi or Hutu so see what the consequences of such would be.

[@themburoyalty2179]

lucky you, i have experienced racism all my life. join the club

[@fragilehandlewithcare3967]

@@themburoyalty2179 since white people refuse to put themselves in our shoes and hear us out force will have to be considered. So we can replace capitalism with socialism and subsequent communism. People are starving and crime won't go anywhere until people feel equal.

[@khumomatlakane2009]

@@fragilehandlewithcare3967 you want to people to be even more reliant on government social security policies which have failed to even give the smallest amount of dignity by stealing food parcels? No Capitalism should be the thank you

[@dandanlovesdisblock]

Not fond of violence as a black person the ladies comments were dangerous but of course if you push a set of ppl into a corner it’s only so much they can take. Stop saying doing and do.

[@ZomziWeAfrika]

Join the club a white nit spat on my face I was 6

[@seriamvazmendes5882]

I love watch this program ❤️ I’m from Guinea-Bissau 🇬🇼

[@lizawalker2345]

😂Why do I feel for Sara …she was attacked

[@bulelanibotman]

35:53 what this guy is saying is true, if we resort to violence then we're not progressing as a country & it means we're living in dangerous times

[@Yojimbo-e9i]

It seems to me, that dangerous times have never ended because just as recent as 30yrs ago African were being murdered in a country stolen from them

[@Globalfaction]

Good to see some Lions and Lioness in there still. We see you. Salute.

[@ireneb.wallace8271]

I believe the TRC in any country is a sorry excuse to not prosecute criminals.

[@hlogilehlogonolo5438]

Yep

[@theguynamed_collins4152]

As a young black man regarded as and sold the dream from an early age of being a "born free" I stand today saying nothing has changed from the time of recording this debate and the year we in now instead things have gotten worse because of the leadership we have in government and cadre deployment which enables corruption in this country, we sit in darkness due to the so called "loadshedding crisis" as it is because of rogue individual in government office profiting from our suffering. South Africa must burn to ashes to see itself reborn if we are ever going to see glory as a country

[@KornFlace]

Same for all countries in Africa.

[@nigelmadzima2169]

this debate is pointless, the adjudicator is compromised.

[@gdm1577]

I agree with you , she a very bias presenter.

[@ladyk7317]

That structure reaches all the way to America California and when Black Afrikan people refuse to acknowledge it and stand together against it this breaks my heart for us as a people 💪🏾💋

[@gideonmwololo936]

Great debate, really great debate. This is healthy for South Africa moving forward. Engaging the minds of every category of South Africans. The greatest battle is in mind which needs to be changed. 👏👏👏Long live South Africa!! 🌍🌍🌍

[@robbin-wt8kr]

1. Rebecca is the most honest white person. Most people equate racism with hatred, but it is a racial view and judgment of others, i.e. white supremacy. 2. The singer performing before such an important discussion was insensitive. 3. Holding a racist government accountable is like holding the fox accountable for the henhouse. 4. Affluent Black oppressing the indigent indigenous people poorly is typical of the trauma of racism and is a sign of self-hatred.

[@razoredge6130]

It's just true. Most white people just have a higher level of education. It's just a honest view of reality , nothing to do with racism.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

A racist government? Blacks have been in power in South Africa for 30 years now, and have instituted openly racist policies-- against whites. Is this the racism you're against? Whites are supreme because they're more intelligent, developed and work harder than blacks. Whites built South Africa from the ground up, before they arrived it was nothing but primitive tribes and mud huts. Why would blacks think they're entitled to what whites built? If a white woman singing "black" African music is "cultural appropriation", then black Africans using electricity is cultural appropriation of white European culture. Guess which group "appropriates" more? Most blacks in South Africa are not "indigenous", they immigrated there. Whites have been there longer than most blacks. And they immigrated there because of the wealth whites built. So the idea that you can "return" the land to blacks is absurd, most aren't even native to the land. The sad fact is that the mean IQ in Africa is around 73. The country is successful and evolved because of whites. And blacks should be grateful they get to share in the wealth and civilisation whites built, not be resentful of it.

[@lansmgroup6540]

You are stupid

[@leightondawson5447]

The ideal South Africa is one in which NOBODY lives in an informal settlement.

[@bennoumstatter490]

Devon brought me here.

[@nomadictravelerfromTx]

When the pinks came to Africa they had the bible and the blacks had the land, the pinks said, "Close your eyes and pray". When the blacks opened their eyes they had the bible and the pinks had the land. Never trust your oppressor, even when they come with the bible....😮😮😮😮 by a black man living in Texas.

[@russelld2925]

So when a black person assumes some personal responsibility, recognizes their agency, and does what it takes to thrive they are accused of selling out?

[@OJOdin]

This is why black communities tend to be poorer in South Africa.

[@jsinvictim5063]

acting White lol

[@cgortz89]

Yup, it seems like it. Yet they exepect that everything will change eventhough that is the logical change in order for things to turn better for everyone. Obviously they need support, but if everyone only sees themselves as victims with "no chances", that support will reach to basically nothing. A well working society is tough to build.

[@greenhornet8262]

Caroline Görtz first of all, it’s spelled “expect”. Second, calling out Injustice and wrong doings done to their demographic and asking for better is not calling yourself a victim. The country would improve much faster on the world stage if ideas, skills and trade were taken into account from everybody, not just white people and If there was a effort to decrease poverty among people of color.

[@komlat253]

It depends how one says it .no one has 100% present control over they life .it makes literally no sense. We all are born in a society and depending where u were born dictates your options and how much or little u must try. Im not saying theres no hope but u have understand the economic disparity and also individual agency.

[@CausingChaosnam]

The mediator is not even neutral.

[@art_by_darney]

exactly

[@xdoublet96x]

The way she’s not even trying to hide it is so unprofessional. But that just shows how dire the situation is. With love form 🇧🇼

[@justleon721]

They never are. But sadly, she's doing much better than a lot of others.

[@yansideabacoa6257]

because she is black, why would you expect her to be neutral? to benefit whiteness? “neutrality” does not exist

[@alsoknownasleena]

Really? This is your take from this? 😂😂😂 yoh!

[@hlengymoyo1931]

South Africa needs to be careful not to fall in the same pit as Zimbabwe, it's one thing to have the land, it's something else to be productive after acquiring the land. Black Zimbabweans took back the land and are not half as productive with it because they didn't acquire the necessary skills to keep it going. So as you fight for land and equal opportunity, ensure you have what's necessary to sustain it.

[@ndolisabi4070]

+hlengiwe moyo zimbabwe had serious political issues and the country came under sanctions by western countries! i guess you not suggesting that africans can't be able to farm at all because they are africans

[@hlengymoyo1931]

No I'm suggesting that regardless of race, if you don't have the necessary tools to maintain and sustain what you have it will fail as a result of mismanagement. Just as with any skill or profession, in order to be fully productive and lucrative, one needs to be fully equipped to manage resources. Sanctions have nothing to do with mismanagement and lack of accountability of resources. Even in the transfer of land, it is necessary to have a transition plan that is well laid out and the effects are fully analysed before implementation.

[@prettisibbs2176]

At least we don’t live in shacks

[@amosyankey2059]

The important thing is what the panelists and audiences do from here. What is the action plan? What are the specific tasks for everyone?

[@EpicSpeechesHistory]

I am so privileged to not have been born in South Africa.

[@joe_lubinda]

I'm sure the people of South Africa don't give a fuck.

[@EpicSpeechesHistory]

@@joe_lubinda likewise Joe

[@am-qd5xb]

Exactly.... People don't realize how lucky they are today that their ancestors sacrificed for their privilege today....

[@DharmYogi]

Politicians are usually the problem and most people forget to think about them in discussions

[@teem5642]

The girl with the black jacket is insightin shit. She knows she wouldn't even set foot on the war front

[@silverskiold7869]

It’s always tha ugly, fatty ones…

[@Darkangel-A-c8z]

Not sure why, but that song, in the beginning, made me teary eyed.

[@harekrishnasupremegod6654]

they are also good at sweet talking and calming down a angry mob until they have control of your mind to keep pushing to take over, we already witness it here in america and still its going on and exists but they media cuts of this so the rest of the world does not see.

[@fatimalobi6382]

And then, the mind sleeps again while the gatekeepers of elites assist on systemic cohesion of hypnotizing the downtrodden. Before you know it, poverty doubles down. The sad part is that both white and black elites instead of curbing the issue of Racism which leads to social and economic injustice (One is not suitable for the position because of skin color or has less experience) for the most part, will also be affected.

[@DharmYogi]

What they should do is make education mandatory and free in the entire country and give everyone the same chance to learn and become skillful. There are great talents in every person. Key is to give people skills and opportunity.

[@Akhona3]

Lol In the closing statements...the guy behind the FW De Klerk foundation representative was hilarious :D :D

[@makeHimknown3]

Her hair is FIRE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@menzimkiva586]

The most disheartening thing, not surprising though, is that every argument raised in these comments has been addressed in the video above. The comments are just a display of what we already knew; Internalized racism is very thick. White people are not interested in having the change of the social climate explained to them, they are comfortable in their privilege. Who wouldn't ? When everything in South Africa and the world was designed to work in your favor. White people made the environment impossible for black people to succeed, then they turn around and say we don't want to take responsibility for the conditions we find ourselves in, insinuating that we are lazy, while they conveniently forget that it's not good enough to say we can share toilets and beaches and seats which is all 1994 was about, when you haven't dealt with the question of the land. To say black people can live wherever they want to and do whatever they want to, but deprive them of the means to live and do whatever they want , is to maintain segregation, but under the guise that you have dismantled it.

[@Aquatofana-xcx]

In America we call it red lining and it’s just recently became illegal the diaspora is crazy how are we on 2 different continents experiencing the same problem at different stages at this point what are we supposed to do these ppl won’t listen nor care we’re seriously fighting for control over our own bodies right now

[@JWilson-qm8cf]

One day, Mark my words. The Chinese will take over the Earth, just like the days of Ghengis Khan. White people in All Western Societies will be relegated to Second Class citizenry. Then and Only then, will they Truly understand. And They Will. "Planet of the Apes" was a great guide for people of All Races to understand!

[@daniellakandundu1650]

I think the main problem here is the big inequality gap. Of course, there are a number of black wealthy people who most probably worked their way up and their children get to grow up in that luxury. On the other hand, white people are born with a silver spoon, they do not know and relate with the struggles that black people went through, and it's really sad. Most of the black people are living in extreme poverty because of the past. Now the question is, moving forward how do we solve these issues, what could the government and the community as a whole do about these issues? Another problem, that I believe is perpetuating poverty is capitalism, the control of resources that the greedy people hold and mistreat the poor.

[@lebohangkhutsoane696]

on a point of correction, Rock music also evolved from black people, haha

[@cynicalrealist9170]

ITS WAS BLUES TO BE EXACT......NOT STUPID DREAM BEATING NATIVES!!!! ROCK AND METAL ALSO HAS ARABIC, ARMENIAN, LATIN, ETC ETC ETC ETC TO THANK FOR MY FAVOURITE SATAN MUSIC GENRE.... SO PLEASE STOP PATTING YOURSELF ON YOUR SHOULDER...ITS SICKENING AND DASTARDLY STUPID!!!

[@christopherafriyie5379]

Dr. Kwame Nkrumah was right; as a Ghanaian and a proud African am very grateful for what he did for Ghana and Africa. Dr. Nkrumah once said, "Freedom is not something that one people can bestow on another as a gift. They claim it as their own and none can keep it from them". I commend you my dear brothers and sisters in the South for taking what belongs to you. Always face neither East nor West but face forward in this fight. This is from your brothers and sisters in West Africa.

[@guyafrica7894]

Things about to get lit 🐸☕

[@whenwe9168]

Bring it

[@meshackmagagula1093]

The ANC made the biggest mistake before 1994, they adopted the neoliberal policy imposed by the Americans. The Washington consensus is a in an instrument that preserve, protect and sustain capitalism and most of the power is vested on corporates, not in the hands of civil society.

[@olamsoevik]

Capitalism is good.

[@thandolwethusithole4706]

​​@@olamsoevik do you still stand by that statement 6 years later?

[@prettisibbs2176]

@@thandolwethusithole4706😂😂😂

[@sazilurwengu8167]

Who is here in 2021 alert level 1 lockdown

[@ROBERTAGYEKUM-nw3cz]

Beautiful people, you're having a wonderful discourse, please let's not inflame passions. I pray it helps to achieve the longed-for goals. ❤🎉

[@bobibrown3358]

Woe, that lady living in the informal settlement really shocked me. Wow, how can the owners of the land be suffering like this. They have be going through this for 350 years.

[@NzappaZap]

I was hoping someone would take the question seriously about what the mechanics are behind the oppression. Who's oppressed and by whom? I understand the low resolution answer, but I want to know some real world specifics instead of this generalization that it's simply blacks being oppressed by corporate white monopolies. How does that work? I want something that isn't highly emotional and intellectually shallow. I want to know the mechanics. SA has a completely messed up economic structure that would be well worth sorting out. Housing is a human right and yet no-one can afford housing. I don't think anyone on the show could tell you why that's ridiculous.

[@Black_unity597]

I can tell you this is whites own all the resources and didn’t earn none of it and have blocked all the black people out of obtaining any wealth on their land they are the oppression class or group they should go back to Europe to be honest give back what isn’t yours! No more oppression! Problem solved!

[@d3mvr]

just do some more individual research and you'll find plenty of evidence of such mechanics 👍

[@biharcourt]

In a capitalist society, the owners of capital have the power and create heirachial structures. In S. Africa, capital have been accumulated by the whites over time through colonisation and apartheid. So the whites still have control and still use their own systems with the help of the black neo-elites in power who serve and protect capitalism and capital owners.

[@FireMusicWorldwide]

How do people get on this show, so many of them have no idea what they're talking about.

[@lettahsenoelo2604]

85% of them

[@DonMelaniniare]

7 good years later, things are painfully worse! And this time, we're left with a few seconds on a time ticking bomb. Something will have to give, unfortunately.

[@BeverlyMartin-l1b]

South of Africa is still Africa. East west north and south. All is African people land

[@MrFiddleedee]

this feels like a key and peele sketch

[@whenwe9168]

14:20 well done sir the masses dont want to swallow that truth tablet

[@nigelriley70]

Never trust a politician

[@oggravman]

Rhodesia 2.0 here it comes

[@southyentertainment3350]

In your dreams

[@tfmkhonza5084]

Rather be than eating on your scrabs

[@The_Vuka_Experience]

You are stuck in the colonial era baba. Heal 😂

[@ZomziWeAfrika]

@@tfmkhonza5084 Real Talk

[@wisdomofthesages-or4sn]

I think we are forgiving people who didn't ask for forgiveness

[@reginamagigi6634]

Wow, this is brilliant, it's good to air out problems in search of solutions openly. That's a healthier way to resolve entrenched differences of thoughts. Well done South Africa 🇿🇦

[@cognitivedissonance9737]

This wasn't a debate, it is a collection of people wining and complaining rather than doing.

[@lauriebrown1571]

I think debates are a place to discuss ideas not to commit to action. We need to know where we are before we commit to action. All action has some degree of consideration beforehand no?

[@katvogue2871]

@@lauriebrown1571 yessssss

[@712anastasia]

If we want to do something WE NEED to discuss about what to do

[@rockpoppets6182]

Yes agree, whining and complaining it’s easier than actually getting up and doing something to uplift yourself and others.

[@mahlahlana]

Yeses! we have got intellectuals in these ladies....

[@trentbusta1]

Who?

[@selfemancipation7967]

This is the Best show, and with the Best, classiest and most beautiful Hostess in the world. Lots of Love and shout out to you Sister Masechaba Ndvolu. You are doing a wonderful job. Please keep it up. Cheers

[@vascomuleya874]

This debate if not careful it'll just make confusion to go up...because it keeps on reminding new generation what used to happen many years ago

[@redumetsebellz4524]

Still today we having the same conversations, yikes...the world is doomed. Ignorance will kill us all.

[@PoliticalAbstract]

It's only been 27 years since the Apartheid ended, I don't understand why you expect drastic changes when most of the audience is barely a generation away from it.

[@SabriyaYo]

You are white, aren’t you 😂

[@kg356]

It won't end until technology makes these conversations obsolete. Its possible the race conversation will not end until there's separation of the races.

[@teem5642]

We can never unite if we hate others, us blacks involved.. This is the problem with people like that girl who called that music mediocre. We can never move forward with that mentality. We are targeting the wrong things.

[@turquoisepurple7sky151]

You all are too forgiving to white folks

[@stevemaye2808]

That comes out quite Christian! Who told you you can't hate others? That's our problem! Always following MLK shit! We need to unite and realize that we have no friends! So me! I'm going with hate! It don't hurt and it's not time consuming!

[@Futtodifyah]

I find it crazy that the native people of a country is fight for rights within their own country.

[@sdays59]

Yes it’s almost like DUHHHH!

[@sdays59]

What were they doing, sleeping when whites took over and occupied?

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

Most of them aren't "native", they're 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants.

[@kg356]

Probably because people don't want to give up land they've been cultivating for generations just to see everything fall to ruins in the hands of incompetent people.

[@changestrangers]

You mean the khoisan peoples?

[@ndabanekhaboz]

Very Very Constructive Debates l have watched, Keep it up !!!, l like the Introduction of PJ Powers song JABULANI (Be Happy) .. Acknowledge the need to Unite , Work together for a Better Nations...

[@M1ke22]

Land Land Land.... For a people that 'stole land' us whites didn't really do a good job. Of my broad circle of family and friends , 90% don't even own their own house - the bank does. On farmland - We have 80 000 farmers in South Africa. Will the land of 80 000 farmers house 50 million people? Its amazing that these 'activists' just want quick fixes to all our social problems. Want solutions to eradicate poverty? Look at South Korea, Singapore, Malaysia. These are examples to follow. Not zimbabwe revenge politics 2.0

[@jimbobjones3391]

Please enlighten us - what is your point?

[@ndolisabi4070]

+Jimbo Jones the point is many of those white people have thousands of hectors each, some of them have each large land bigger than our neighbour countries

[@M1ke22]

Bigger than our neighboring countries? Citation required please. And 'because king juju said so' doesn't make it credible

[@celiacruzazucar6630]

Land and properties not the same thing. Stole the land not the home.

[@kg356]

​@@ndolisabi4070And what are they doing with the land? Just sitting on it?

[@happythoughts-q3o]

Pj powers is such an iconic soul , saying her song is cultural appropriation is wild .

[@presidentoneday6634]

That old guy is out of touch! It's sad because its probably the 1st time he's seen a little bit of freedom... those are the dangers...

[@blackchild8887]

I think we as black south africans we have our priorities wrong, land is actually good but what will we do with that land after possessing it? I think we have to share the wealth of the country, those with much land have to be taxed more, that money then taken to our education.

[@DocRealTalk]

That guy who spoke up about white monopoly capital and how the black elites are maintining it while feeding off the crumbs is the most valid point I heard here. Also the guy who spoke about capitalism and not wanting equality of poverty where black billionaires take the place of the whites.

[@jacquiosz6592]

that is who is oppressing the majority of south Africans now. the black elites. they have power over the economy, not whites.

[@DocRealTalk]

Jacqui Osz The first guy who said was white. The second guy was black. And he's not the one in power to oppress. Also whites do have power over the economy. They still own much of the good land and still control most of the big business' that were setup back in the day. This is true for most nations where whites invaded. They left and gave political power to the natives. BUT they setup their business' and forced everyone in to their economic system. Which means they control the resources and labour without even having to occupy those nations. Politicians are just tools for the interests of capital. And much of the capital in this world is still controlled by whites.

[@jacquiosz6592]

ok. please put together a map of land that white people own. if the rest isn't owned by blacks its owned by government. you will be surprised how much good land there is available. tribal chiefs also have land after being given back to them for their tribes. they refuse to divide the land with the tribe. so they are sitting on 100s of acres each and not farming it.

[@DocRealTalk]

Jacqui Osz Yes it's easy to point the finger at someone else to divert attention away. But in reality whites run the economy of most of their previous colonies. As far as I'm concerned Mandela and Tutu were pawns. All the land, resources and business' should have been nationalized. And whites should have been given some type of cheap accomodation like what blacks have in white nations lol Then over several generations they can show everyone how you pull youself up by the bootstraps when you start with no bootstraps.

[@jacquiosz6592]

still waiting for FACTS so that we know you are actually crying about something valid.

[@lemonlimelukey]

the whitoid ignornace 😂😂

[@jakedefa5095]

I can't believe what I'm seeing here

[@nunosantos485]

“Psychologically, for me, it’s very important that I take back the land”😂

[@joshuataylor3550]

The MC/host is a great speaker

[@dietlindvonhohenwald448]

I am not South African and I have never been there. The situation is so difficult and complicated. Way more complicated than the US really. It also does not help, that the gvmt is utterly incapable.

[@devs2kwik588]

I’m disappointed that no ones “listening”to anyone

[@merinamasawa1180]

😂😂😂 the guy in 1:02 lookin at the singing lady like shit.

[@michaelteasley6861]

I’m enjoying these debates, I think they are needed. I really don’t know enough about South Africa to really comment on their situation. But if I were to give my opinion, I would say that no white people should own any land in South Africa or any part of Africa. I wish that I knew more about their history.

[@devilak74]

Aiu!!!! Devon, I still need you to do a video on this.

[@tflking4916]

It's like a circle of radical UCT students

[@ZomziWeAfrika]

Nope we all feel it . It’s not your experience.

[@TheGiselleBella]

There are so many fundamental conversations we can have about these yet what the truth remains is that the Alkebulan (African originals) have globally bellied up too long. I understand wanting to integrate but why do I have to be get a visiting visa and I cannot come in and get land and build melànated neighbourhoods in England, Spain, Italy, Germany and more like they do in SA and other indigenous countries? These open discussions take us no where. Nothing is done with simply airing out what is already known. We have to stop trying to make nice with people who àre not nice, simply. The idea that we can cicle discuss about centuries of conquest, bullying and no accountability on both parts is às rudimentary as me watching this, knowing there are no lawfùl changes to follow.

[@zungunjabulo3389]

You will never be free if you wake up everyday and tell yourself that you are a victim.

[@themburoyalty2179]

SHUT UP

[@lettahsenoelo2604]

true , that activist lady seem very angry , in her state i really dont understand how she can represent other , mr zungu i agree with you, actually we the poor majority are the reason why growth is delayed, we spend 85% of our time in telling our selves e are victims and 15% blaming ......while we hv the power to change all this

[@lancematthews624]

If you fall asleep in captivity, you’ll wake up in it, physically emotionally and psychologically, doesn’t the reality speak loud for itself? Try to walk in an oppressed individual shoes, before criticizing them! Wrong done, no matter how long ago, is still wrong today Our world has been blessed, with more than enough, resources for each and everyone, so tell me how or why is it not unfair, to strategically stratified a system, in which black people, are dish enfranchised, by those who regarded themselves as the franchised holders, who designed the shittism within the system? All of you are German people, how the heck you found yourself in Africa? To the point where you’ve changed the continent name to Africa, you’re heartless people who ran away from your country and brutally stolen by your nature, from our ancestors

[@drummer8491]

Dude who chimed in at the end about capitalism hit the nail on the head.

[@jolisanne1384]

Why is everyone in the comments complaining about Masechaba and the audience's bias? They're Black South Africans, how could it be in any way desirable for them not to be biased in a debate about racism?? It'd be concerning, if they weren't

[@novelakengwilingwili4080]

When I listen to Moeletsi I hear someone who feels he has arrived and I ask myself what exactly was he doing in this exile we hear about if not only to get a very good education that makes it difficult for him to understand what people are really crying about. Also this easy exclamation by those have only known privilege to say they have no skill. Protective employment is another affirmative action they had, they would be supervisors even in an area where they had no clue what was happening.

[@sampsontendaimutsago1935]

I concur with you. In addition I felt he did a bad job in allaying the anger and frustration that was pregnant in the room but instead he fuelled it by gas lighting. He acted like a gatekeeper just as he was rightly accused by one of the speakers.

[@kptfefe1]

that white poet chick is completely crazy

[@shinxb447]

I've just wet my bed I feel quite sorry for her. She is riddled with guilt and you can read it on her face. Poor girl.

[@jimbobjones3391]

Oslo syndrome.

[@leboganglucas6770]

She's still young......still confused

[@donovanarndt4606]

Not guilt....Fear. She though that she can fawn about and be excused until she realised it aint working. @@shinxb447

[@elbiedorman1266]

Don’t know where she crawled out from: completely bonkers.

[@PatrioticZimbo]

Mandela VS Mugabe. Who was right? History beginning to judge both these men. As a Zimbabwean, i can day we don't have these issues here? All that is left to do is to fight corruption. South Africa have a lot of road to travel. When you take land, you will go through what Zimbabwe went through.

[@legacyoflore1597]

Notice how both PJ Powers and Monique focused on how "offensive" the others' words were, rather than what the conversation is actually about

[@churchtalkunlimited]

Thank you for this presentation!

[@OJOdin]

This has totally changed my view of South Africans negatively.

[@fragilehandlewithcare3967]

Australia is waiting.

[@mampoestimosala9048]

Sorry

[@zero10111]

Sarah & theus wow ! So humble & honest if afriforum & DA & FF+ can learn from you coz they don't like the I dea of land without compensations Most white refuse the truth of this matter tnx for being a gud example if they can learn from you but it pride that stood in the way

[@TeenNewsLive]

Speaker: Rebecca are all white people racist? Rebecca: Absolutely 100%, how can you be a white person in South Africa and not be a racist? holy shit I just died

[@firestriderandros]

No one tell about the Bantu expansion and how the Zulu branch of bantu peoples massacred other tribes in their way to South Africa

[@wernerschneider4460]

This is complete nonsense. It would imply that the wife of Siya Kolisi, who is a white woman without doubt, would be a racist too. And Denis Goldberg would have been one too. And Johnny Clegg as well. And André Brink. And every white South African (man or woman) married to a non-white South African would be one too. Hardly ever heard such a stupid remark.

[@africanandproud6792]

@@firestriderandros Zulus were not Zulus on their way to South Africa. So according to you, Zulus arrived here in the 1800s. Dumb.

[@phumulanipehlongwane8048]

You know please people if you don't know the actual history just take a back seat - white people have big opinions about our history just shut up @Andros cos clearly the history you know is not our history, and the stupid claim made by white people that Khoisan are South Africans as if Bantu people are not Africans is stupid - Bantu and Khoisan are Africans and other unknown African tribes (black or brown) - we didn't have these buffers before whites came with them so our debate will always remove even the boundaries. You know it makes me sick to see white people who don't see what the sins of their forefathers have done to black people when I say black I mean black including those who distance themselves like coloureds.

[@africanandproud6792]

@Vlad the Inhaler Thank you 😊. You too.

[@happyngulube1871]

Modern colonisation still exists my dear.

[@ednamosieleng1746]

I think we are heading to world war 3, another form of colonisation