Fuel Injector Testing: Noid Light vs Power Probe vs Test Light (Honda)

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[@LoudBarkDesigns]

My miss fire just started and is sporadic. P0204 jeep liberty. At times I turn on the vehicle it acts normal and other times on start is misfires cylinder 4. I swapped the coils and spark plugs to see if it would follow and it doesn't. Now I believe it comes down to the injector acting sporadic or from the the electrical plug. Any thoughts?

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[@LiminalStoriesVerified]

I watched so many videos just to get this one answer.. Thank you..

[@bernardocisneros4402]

Thanks for the bonus footage! I thought you were gonna leave us hanging. It would've been like watching a movie and not showing us the ending.

[@sankar7055]

The kind of explanation I never saw in the period of 25 years, it's awesome .The tools and way you trouble shooting fantastic and perfect.

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[@wyattoneable]

My Jeep is a "crank, no start" and I needed a refresher on how to use a Noid light. I learned more than I was looking for by watching this video. Thanks Dave.

[@GreatDataVideos]

I've looked at a lot of videos about misfire diagnosis and using the Power Probe and this is by far the best that I've seen. Clear, simple instructions. You've taken out some of the mystery and confusion that others gave.

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[@scottmartin2361]

Excellent Video, your ability to make things easy to understand for an amateur mechanic is unmatched. Please keep them coming!!

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[@spelunkerd]

I'm not sure why it took me so long to find your channel, you earned a sub today for sure. We have many similarities, not least of which is our addiction to quality automotive tools. What I really like about your channel is the way you explain how these systems work first, which gives a reliable compass to look for solutions. It was fun to see you use PP4 for the fuel injector. Eric O sent me one of those but I've never used the fuel injector feature. Once I see the test light flashing, I tend to follow the ScannerDanner blueprint of looking at current waveforms. There are lots of right ways to get to the answer.

[@docimastic]

Absolutely loved the bonus footage showing the leak down test. I was wondering what the problem was up until that point. Thanks for taking the time and trouble of making this excellent, nay, Superior video, and sharing your skill and knowledge with us! Thanks again, David

[@BigDog50001]

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[@fcbrants]

Thank you for giving us the final diagnosis - not having it would have been a "tough itch to scratch."

[@gambinoanthony1618]

The bonus made the difference between this video and the others. Excellent job .

[@jasonfestner9242]

Great video and information. You got me towards the end. I was thinking dude what do you check next if the darn injector is getting power and fuel. Then right before I was about to type you the ?, you jumped in with the bonus video of checking the compression and leak down. After that I was saying out loud in my garage to the point my neighbor looked over as I was yelling this guy is awesome and very knowledgeable and lest us lay people know each step to achieve results. I am working on a 2012 dodge caravan with the 3.6 pentastar engine but it looks like your steps will work. I replaced a ton of stuff that requires relearn but I can’t get the van to barely run. I don’t think bank 2 cylinders are firing. I am going to start at your step 1. Thank you Sir for helping out us little people who can’t afford to send the vehicle to a shop.

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[@charliefirpo8471]

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[@BigDog50001]

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[@BeADad2447]

Damn! You just doubled my knowledge on computer controlled injection system! I have a 93 accord! Yours looks almost exactly like mine! Great video!

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[@brandonmunoz6931]

stumbled across this. you sir are THE MAN!. I have been fighting a no start on a Harley for weeks. It started off with a broken wire going to the throttle body then turned into a mess.

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[@pedrorojascervantes3928]

What was the problem ?

[@derrickanderson2783]

Calling someone out within the first second of a video; now thats a bold move... I LIKE IT! :)

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[@woodybear8298]

Excellent explanation of how a fuel injector fires; I did not know that. Thank you.

[@dennisgruba4792]

Really liked the video and explanations being simple and easy to understand. Thank you.

[@BigDog50001]

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[@tnamen1307]

@@BigDog50001 will not the reverse voltage spike flows back to the power feed side and cause short circuit?? Analogy to a diode in a relay, is similar diode or capacitor necessary to absorb the reverse spike and protect the circuit and the solenoid itself?? Please kindly elaborate a bit more.

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[@nigelnkunzi6414]

This is one of the best vid it explains very well n easy to understand wht need to be done if you myb only hv test light or noid light thnks for the video u gained a follower n a subscriber

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[@joseburgos5106]

Super explanation 👌. Thanks for the time to put it together and sharing.

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[@wespatterson6595]

Great video, really most helpful one out there on injectors. Thanks!

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[@EM-df6mo]

Love that Bonus footage. that told the tail.

[@BigDog50001]

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[@Okie-Tom]

Very nice video. Thank you very much. I wish there was a scope out there that wasn't so expensive that would show the fuel injector opening.

[@BigDog50001]

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[@rplayer9969]

Enjoyed the video. Really glad you showed the bonus showing the problem. Thank you for doing the video.

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[@Okie-Tom]

Nice work! Of course the owner is sick to hear the news! Thanks for the video!

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Keep them coming mate the info is good .

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[@bobs74xlch]

Great tutorial video, from beginning to the end............... Thanks!

[@proanswers]

Thank you for the video. I am trying to diagnose a Misfire cylinder 1 P301 hyundai v6. I am at the fuel diagnosis stage. My suspicion is not ignition (spark) based on maintenance and tests of ignition. Timing seems not an issue as cylinder specific on this DOHC timing would cause entire bank issues (misfires P300). Assuming that not seeing the pintile spray pattern through these tests is an issue however your stating that the Power probe 4 showing more data compared to a known good injector shows simpler pulse pattern thus not injector issue.

[@michaelvega562]

I infact did enjoy the bonus footage

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[@Z.Islander]

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[@SooperKewl]

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[@RoadRunnerMeep]

Thank you, I'm faimilar with diesels but petrols are a completely different headache. I enjoy the knowledge for troubleshooting :)

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[@jimmyhall9593]

Best video on injectors!

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[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Good bonus with scope

[@AbuDujana692]

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[@mattockman]

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[@tomclark3592]

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[@orestino6212]

Great, clear video. Thank You

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[@karmicmessenger]

I use a scope often but I didn't know about the pintle hump on the waveform; thanks.

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[@antegas]

Thank you very much! Easy and clear explanation. I Like it in this way.

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[@adictiveadictive]

I'm glad you explained the "no start" part at about 7:15 Edit: but what about using the power probe? Same thing?

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[@nyvinchenz9430]

Great video did you see if you can adjust the valve first before going the distance of pulling the head

[@BigDog50001]

No, not on this one due to evidence of overheating.

[@nyvinchenz9430]

@@BigDog50001 yeah sucks if they would have brought it in when the engine started to tick would have been a 1 hr labor and new valve cover gasket to make a easy fix. But sometimes people don't understand.. but thanks for the reply back

[@georgehooper6955]

Great video, really appreciate all the explanation. Probably a dumb question: how do you hook up the tester probe? Looks like you jammed the probe down into the connector ground from the back while it’s plugged into the injector? (I guess that’s why they call it back probe?)

[@BigDog50001]

Yes I probed it from the back where the wire is crimped to the connector. The probes I use are sharp like a needle which makes it easier to back probe. Thanks for the comment!

[@ujmrider]

I got a noid light set yesterday from O'Reilly's because I was working on a 2010 Ford Edge. I tried a test light first but I didn't know exactly how or if it would even work. The noid in the set labeled Ford did not fit the connector, but the one labeled Bosch did. Whatever. I had signal and so replaced the injector. Fixed!

[@Thomas-ll1lu]

Very good video and explanation.

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[@wholebarto]

Very helpful video. Wanna more!

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[@ashraftoumia7213]

Thank you for Brilliant video, one question please, can I carry out same test using power probe 4 for testing Diesel injector?

[@Shunpall]

Amazing tutorial!

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Clear and concise , well explained.

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[@billlincoln6087]

VERY GOOD EXPLANATIONS.

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[@dragan3290]

I have kyzee power probe,. Can i use this on ac voltage or dc voltage? I have frequency on the tool? Any reply appreciated cheers from Australia subbed and liked 👍 ❤

[@TheDisgruntledMechanic]

good comparison! and nice tools!

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[@KevinRapkochFishing]

Great video, thank you. My 1994 Dodge Dakota 5.2 is driving and running, but throwing an intermittent code for the injector output signal circuit. Even when running fine, I get power (test light bright on all injectors power side), but no ground (no pulsating light to ground side on any injector). Do you know what may cause this... And how is the truck running with no ground to the injectors??

[@raulayala5891]

Great video....What happens if we have 12 volt constants but we don't have the pulses from ECM....we already check integrity of cable from injector conector to ECM end.....the diagnostic gave to be ECM replace it or can I do something else?

[@BigDog50001]

I can't see what you have done as far as testing and I don't know what model or vehicle you are working on, but what you are describing is the transistor/driver for the injector inside the PCM not working. Some vehicles/models will intentionally shut down an injector when it detects an issue so clearing the code, cycling the key and then immediately testing with a test light/noid light would be my next step (but even that is not fool proof as certain vehicles can detect the incorrect current flow/resistance of a test light). If the PCM is intentionally shutting it down then the test light will flash briefly and then the PCM will most likely shut it off again very quickly. Also be aware that if the driver in the PCM was damaged, I would try and locate the reason the driver went bad before installing a new PCM (bad wiring/shorted injector etc). Thank you for the comment!

[@bondasfaq]

On the snap on kit you have shown us the chart/graph. What is this graph called exactly? Injector graph?

[@erickrayos]

I've been having this flooding issue on my 2004 BMW M3, cylinder 6 at first was floodying, throttle body was full of fuel and having misfire on that cylinder along w/ cylinder 5 and 4 having pending codes for misfires as well. At first we thought its just pre-cat o2 sensor since it was only happening after the car has warmed up but after switching pre-cat o2 sensor it started doing right off the bat, checked the values I am getting for pre-cat o2 sensor and it was good. that's when I found the fuel in the throttle body, plugs were changed, coils were changed and still happening and at one point the "flooding" went to cylinder 5 for a little bit then went back to cylinder 6. Checked compression ratio on cold engine (Since I didn't really want it to run misfiring like crazy dumping fuel in the cylinder). everything actually checked out, 10psi lower than minimum but it is to be expected on a cold engine compression check. injectors was sent out for testing/cleaning/rebuild and everything came back great there was no note of sticking injector in the report sheet that I got. what else could it be? I was thinking maybe either wiring harness or DME, how can I check if the harness is shorted out on the injector w/o turning on the car?

[@BigDog50001]

A test light should show if a control wire to the fuel injector is shorted to ground (on all the time). I would try and narrow it down to whether it is a rich condition due to inputs that the ECM uses to control fuel delivery (O2/MAF etc) or is it a symptom due to mechanical problem (faulty or shorted injectors/wiring/air flow issue etc). Long term and short term fuel trims using a scan tool are where I would start (is ECM adding fuel and creating a rich condition or taking it away trying to control a rich condition). Upstream and downstream oxygen sensor readings at different RPMs and engine loads are also something I use to diagnose (do sensors go rich/lean like they are supposed to and are they responding properly). Sometimes sensor/solenoids only act up at certain temps too. I would look for engine trouble codes too. I believe cylinders 4, 5 and 6 are next to each other on the vehicle, so I would look for things they may have in common that could effect them all. Also, if the alcohol content in the fuel is not correct, it can create fuel delivery issues but that would probably effect all cylinders.

[@erickrayos]

@@BigDog50001 I tried using test light, clipped it on the power side of the battery and identified the ground cable on my injector harness and had someone crank the car while doing it, both cylinder that had the flooding problem was doing what they supposed to do, pulsing faintly. tested the power side clipped the test light on a ground and put the test light on the power side while the ignition is on and both got power. So far things I've done, New plugs and coils, New Pre-cat o2 sensor Injector rebuilt compression checked and passes checked injector harness w/ test light and passes. And cylinder 6 floods w/ fuel as if there were no spark. and sometimes it jumps to cylinder 5, codes that is out right now is multi misfire code and cylinder 6 misfire with two pending codes for cylinder 4 and 5. Thanks for your time helping me figure this out.

[@kevinedward1234]

Great video!!!! was the intake valve lash tight holding the valve open? or was it burnt?

[@BigDog50001]

Both, thanks!

[@jrx2662]

so the next job will be the head, with the valves, right?

[@jhuntosgarage]

Well done!!

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[@infiniti_chik1225]

Hi there. I just subscribed to your channel and was watching this video. I really like the way you make things very easy and simple to understand. However, one thing I wish you would have done in this video and that is, to explain the 'back probing' a little more - especially for us newbies to automotive work. Also, a more close up view would have been great while you were back probing. It was kind of hard for me to see exactly where you were putting the probe when you tested the 2nd injector. Also, did you reconnect the 1st injector before disconnecting the 2nd injector to test? Otherwise, great video in explaining the (3) test devices.

[@BigDog50001]

Welcome! Each video I try to get better! As far as the back probe is concerned, I just took the back probe that I showed at 8:00 minutes and stuck it right next to the control wire (ground) where the wire enters the connector on the fuel injector (it is touching the wire inside). As far as testing with the back probes using the PowerProbe, I back probed and tested both fuel injectors (#2 and #1 cylinders) the same way. When testing with the PowerProbe (unlike the test light and noid lights), I left the fuel injector that I was testing plugged in, otherwise it will not test correctly. I unplugged the #2 cylinder at 10:55 minutes (the one with the misfire) AFTER I was done testing it because I did not want fuel being dumped into a cylinder that is not working.

[@KFitzG35competitor]

Man, i have the previous generation power probe, it doesnt have near those features. When you said power probe I was like how the heck do you use a power probe for this haha

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[@64impalaSSRealMechanic315]

Great video So if i back probe plugged in injector with my power probe 4 and i get data like rest of cylinders does that mean injector is good ? Or just circuit system to injector is good

[@NURsMec]

I just subscribed your channel. Thanks for sharing your video. I just have a question for the power probe. Where do you connect the power probe to test the injector? Is it in the connector or to the injector directly? And also the NOID will it work to mercedes benz injectors connector

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