BIGGEST CAT Locomotive SD70ACe Inside & Walkaround | Caterpillar at MinExpo

[@itchyvet]

Amazing. Manufacturers never consider the opinions of the folks who have to operate these things. Biggest beef I have with this design is the entry door to the cab. For many years I suffered the freezing cold from draughts of faulty door seals like doors on this loco facing the direction of travel practicly funneling in the cold. How bloody stupid. I was involved with the design of a new locomotive manufactured localy and brought this issue to the attention of the planners who then designed the unit with doors on the long end, (engine compartment facing out the side, thus completely clear of forward drafts. This idea went even further, allowing a passage way between the air intake filters, electric cabnets sepereting the cab from the engine components thus providing excellent improvement of noise control entering the cab. With the cab then being mounted on isolastic mounts and piping being seperated by rubber hose sections, vibrations from the engine and compressor compartments were considerbly decreased, thus allowing operators to operate the loco without wearing ear protection. Clearly, the designers at Caterpillar have learnt nothing of loco manufacturing. Designers need to be locked in the cab of a loco running at full throttle for a few days, I'm sure they wake up pretty quickly.

[@kennorcott7074]

Damn. Salty much? Thats a joke. I totally agree with you. I cant imagine being in a metal box for several hours in sub zero tempatures with little to no insulation. I would think that railroads would want to keep their employees.

[@johnabuick]

This is a General Motors designed machine. They sold the division in 2005 and it was then sold again to CAT in 2010

[@jordanchamberlain4377]

I am so glad they detailed how they got it in there.

[@jasonk9779]

I was getting to the end of the video and just about to see if I could find out how they did get the locomotive in there and then, they told us. Excellent.

[@hayden4516]

This locomotive was in fact painted and sold to the short line Arkansas and Missouri Railroad. Google the locomotive in A&M's colors. Its pretty sweet!

[@EdmontonRails]

You're right it does look sick. A short line could easily pull an entire train with one of those. Too bad EMD made them a hair too light and railways haven't modified their SD70's for that extra traction.

[@sptraxide]

That loco looks better in the A&M colors. IMHO

[@mikewhite767]

I love that emd/caterpillar sd70ace#1201 locomotive, especially the new t-4 one #1501 blue,white,silver,black scheme with the tier drop windows, thanks for the video!

[@Corrie2078]

People don’t know that General Motors used to build locomotives. GM sold what was called the electromotive division (for locomotives) to CAT. GE used to buy the major supplier. CAT is kicking they ass right now.

[@janetelizabeth]

NOT SO! General Motors did NOT sell Electro-Motive Division to Caterpillar but rather to an investment firm (Greenbrier) that held it and later sold it to Caterpillar.

[@kenc.d8200]

What a "beast " of an engine . America makes the biggest engines and the best . Nice one 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻😁😁😁🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@indianrailwaysclick9979]

Yeah 😍😍

[@sonnymoon6465]

wow so comfortable you can sleep right there in the conductor's seat. wait a minute... maybe we need a coffee machine in there hehe.

[@matthewdempsey6583]

defiantly need one of those in there

[@martinsanchez4218]

Sonny Moon actually some of those locomotives have a microwave and a hot plate to heat their meals.

[@MrThewildrider]

Forget the comfortable seats, do they have a proper toilet?

[@ashleyblack3941]

+Gunner Ginn they sure do, and they abuse the hell outta them too LOL

[@ET_Don]

The few Canadian Pacific Railway General Electric locomotives I have seen down here in the States were equipped from the factory with a stainless hotplate and stainless tea kettle.

[@genehall9931]

WHAT A BEAUTIFUL WORK OF ART AND TECHNICAL ENGINEERING

[@stevenspaziani9159]

I love EMD locomotives even if it has the "Cat" name on it, but as a locomotive engineer myself the one thing you have to get rid of is the "Knorr" brake system on it, they are the most miserable brake to use to try to control an engine, the Westinghouse air brake is a much smoother operating brake system.

[@brockkrenke791]

Cat had no part in the design of this locomotive, it doesn't even use a cat engine. The sd70ace was designed and built originally by the electro motive division or EMD of general motors, the same company that makes Chevy, GMC, and Cadillac cars. GM cut out it's locomotive division, which became it's own company, Electro motive diesel (to keep the same acronym of emd) it then merged with the company named progress rail, which has ties with cat. Even the new epa tier 4 compliant locomotives aren't built by cat or don't even have a cat engine, even though the new locos have a new engine built from the ground up. So in summary, this locomotive and it's original designers have no ties with cat and the current owners of the design have loose ties with cat. And about the paint, this is the only sd70ace painted in cat yellow especially for the show

[@andyharman3022]

The important thing that Cat brings by owning EMD is financial muscle. EMD as an independent company couldn't compete with GE. Railroads need to know that their locomotive builder is going to be in business in the future if they are going to buy their product.

[@achmada9338]

Thanks for the info

[@slredskull]

couldn't have said it better my self dude ...

[@Tsamokie]

@@shawnfloyd5757 you're* the owner EMD* at* the end of the day.... nowhere* Not to mention all the run-on sentences and lack of punctuation. In spite of all the money spent on education in the USA, this is the level of illiteracy.

[@Terk131]

@@Tsamokie Seriously ?

[@arrielpettigrew7327]

I will always call the EMD SD70ACe, a EMD product

[@sorindncs]

Well this is how they are called in present times but I think they should do a rebranding to this company. Mostly because EMD locomotives were known for their screaming two stroke engines, but that screaming sound, similar to that of a jet plane, belongs to a bygone era now. There is not a single locomotive in this world with a two stroke engine that can meet tier4 emissions regulations. So from now on all that we will have will be four stroke engines. SD70ACe - Tier4 is a locomotive with a four stroke engine exactly like the competitors (General Electric) locomotives. So from now on they should't be named EMD's anymore....they should be named CAT locomotives. Let people remember EMD's for their typical screaming sound. Those that don't have that beautiful sound don't deserve to be named EMD's....Newer Locomotives have next to nothing in common with those that featured two stroke engines, so newer ones should be considered CAT products...and they really should rename that company. And probably from now on they should also use CAT engines.

[@kkoch666]

@@sorindncs i think it sucks that Caterpillar bought EMD.

[@SteamboatWilley]

@@sorindncs so will they be using Caterpillar prime movers from now on?

[@sorindncs]

@@SteamboatWilley I do not know. You should ask them.

[@Slim_Slid]

@@SteamboatWilley The 1010J's that are inside the SD70ACE-T4's are technically built by Caterpillar. The 1010J's are a rebuilt version of the 265H's that were used in the EMD SD90MAC's and the H versions.

[@kleetus92]

I like the paint scheme!

[@ecoRfan]

Actually for all those wondering, the prime mover / engine block design in this locomotive has been around since the 1980's when it was developed by General Motors and has been proven ever since. Think of this as an ex-GM design, before CAT bought out Electro-Motive.

[@janetelizabeth]

THAT never happened! GM refused to sell to Caterpillar. OLD EMD was bought by Greenbriar

[@Slim_Slid]

@janetelizabeth That's not even close to the truth. Caterpillar owns Progress Rail and is the parent company to Electro Motive Division.Electro Motive Division,even before Caterpillar was involved,is a subsidiary to Progress Rail. Take a good look at the EMD SD70ACE-T4's,the prime movers they have were improved and redesigned by Caterpillar. The Caterpillar 1010J's are what the EMD 265H's failed to become,which is what originally was in both the SD90MAC's and SD90MACH's. The 265H's singlehandedly were the worst prime movers EMD ever made,building a four stroke engine from scratch trying to be compliance with the EPA.Later on they were rebuilt by Norfolk Southern and sent elsewhere,the corrected versions of the 265H's saw usage in Asia and China,but not again in North America and Canada after the mechanical failures they had.All of that is why Union Pacific and Canadian Pacific stayed with the SD9043MAC's,which most have now been rebuilt into SD70ACU's with Norfolk Southern and Canadian Pacific. The 265H's were attempted to uphold 6,000 HP to compete with General Electric's AC6000CW's,both locomotives in the end were not very reliable or durable.With Caterpillar creating the solutions,if T4 EPA compliance wasn't a thing,they easily could've pushed out that same horsepower in the Tier Fours with the 1010J's,which have proven to be solid as can be.

[@codydillon2144]

This thing is a freaking monster!!!

[@KutWrite]

I'm glad they showed how they got that loco into the building! I wonder, though, how does it "carry" freight cars? :D Interesting that they went back to a 2-stroke diesel. I'd think it'd have less power and more emissions than a 4-stroke.

[@Slim_Slid]

That's because the SD70ACE's were never a product of Caterpillar...Electro Motive Division of General Motors has always been the only manufacturer to them.All of them have the 710 G3B's which are two stroke V16's with 4,300 HP.The numbering "710" confirms how many cubic inches there are in each of the cylinders.General Motors for many years was fond of building two stroke diesel,just look at Detroit Diesel. Caterpillar is the parent company to Electro Motive Division and at that owns Progress Rail which Electro Motive Division is their subsidiary. The SD70ACE-T4's are Electro Motive Division built but Caterpillar powered. The four stroke 1010J's they have are the rebuilt and corrected version of the four stroke 265H's that use to be in the SD90MAC's & SD90MACH's which were hunks of junks.Caterpillar took the 265H's and made the 1010J's,rebuilding the entire prime movers and making what Electro Motive Division failed to do.

[@TATEXPRESSINC]

Great job on the video👍🏻

[@mohabatkhanmalak1161]

First time I am seeing a loco by Caterpillar. Learn something new every day.

[@simonm1447]

It's not a Cat development, it's a EMD (former Electro Motive Division by GM), Cat bought EMD a couple of years ago. EMD was one of 2 major competitors o the US market beside GE. This loco may not have the most horse powers, but it has an enormous tractive effort.

[@MultiSuperman800]

Great Video. Loved it. Very Nice.

[@rmeyerhofer5]

awesome locomotive

[@bigredracer7848]

Very good thank you for the video it reminds me when I was a kid going to work with my dad at Burlington Northern rail yard thank you again

[@stanfischer6175]

When you really get down to it, you can open up a 1939 EMD FT and that SD70 and a lot of it is still very similair, particularly the prime mover.

[@billsalvey]

that is completely bad ass...

[@terrellhoward5231]

Come on Cat you guys gotta get EMD back in this race because GE are killing you guys. GE has a new tier 4 Gevo on the rails. Don't get me wrong I like both GE and EMD but if EMD doesn't get its act together Gevo's could rule the world.

[@billyboi57]

+Terrell Howard Most likely, GE sells it's locomotives cheaper. GE is junk.

[@terrellhoward5231]

Yeah they do break down more than EMD

[@scottbolen5246]

+billyboi57 You dont know what your talking about. If GE was cheaper and was junk, why do they enjoy such a large market share?

[@scottbolen5246]

+Terrell Howard Beg to differ here. If you don't know the data how can you say GE locos break more than EMD's?

[@billyboi57]

Really? You don't get it, do you? If someone makes a product cheaper then it's going to get the largest share of the market. GE locomotives are JUNK. Just how do you think they get the nickname of "toasters"? because more of them catch fire than EMD locomotives do.

[@AviationNut]

Beautiful locomotive.

[@jawadhaider5902]

Looks beautiful

[@coydog7902]

Keeping muscle trains alive!

[@rob066101]

BLAH BLAH BLAH Cat rep. True train enthusiast know what it is SD70ace. A well known locomative in the railroad industry.

[@victorpanda7639]

I wish Billy Mays was still pitching stuff...It rips,runs,rolls, just as a loco's motives should! Get these now while supplies last! If you order now we'll toss in another FREE!!! Just pay delivery and handling...Call now!!!

[@dasteelerfan1]

Great more caterpillar equipment not built in America ! Just what we need

[@PRRXRR]

He is talking like cat has always owned the sd70ace with emd. phsss ya right typical salespeople.

[@kenwalker4203]

Cat is a piece of shit they stole EMD and screwed many good people just because of their greed and distrutive way how many others have been screwed over by cat i bet it is in the thousands

[@BattleshipOrion]

if it is EMD it will be EMD not CAT and the sd70's have been around sence the 70's

[@silicon212]

The SD70 (first gen) became a thing in 1993, not the 1970s.

[@ashleyblack3941]

+silicon212 who cares there ALL a pain in the dick to pull apart lol. Seriously though it'll be full of coal dust in five minutes, ever seen the clean air room in a coal hauling loco LOL black.

[@briggs748]

shout out to london ontario, didn't event know there was a CAT factory here

[@frankvanwiechen8853]

That plant closed in 2013. Muncie, Indiana now.

[@robertosmith6052]

thats so cool cattipillar has a deisel locomotive engine now awesome

[@douglasfrazier2856]

the EMD configuration is looking more and more like the GE

[@Amtrak90222]

The new EMD SD70ACe-T4 looks a bit like GE.

[@EdmontonRails]

EMD used to be boxier and GE use to be more rounded, SD40-2 vs C36-7. GE got boxier and EMD got rounder for a bit with stuff like the SD70M, now they're both getting boxier.

[@ussjohnston1]

Douglas Frazier EMD was the first come out with this design

[@robertcameron2808]

No1 locomotive 🚂

[@makeamericagreatagain7314]

500 miles / 1 gal of diesel. Excellent

[@trevortaylor2778]

Thank U EMD.

[@chaley9093]

I lived in Peoria Illinois. Caterpillar World Headquarters. They put on a show but behind the scenes they treat contractors and employees as though they are dirt because "we are caterpillar" . ALWAYS!!! Low bidder get the work. Then they spit them out and throw there contracts out for bid. I have been in the Mossville Illinois engine plant and you would not believe what they do to a defective engine block and send it out the door. Can you imagine having to have a head bolt pull out of a block and find a Heli coil had been installed and you just squeaked past your warranty?????? Its true. Now you own a boat anchor. I've Personally witnessed these repairs and was shocked that this took place in the plant.

[@ScottishNSRailFan]

What a great color scheme.

[@floydflys72f]

If you can't beat the competition buy the company and then claim its all about YOU!

[@lewiemcneely9143]

+floydflys72f Just like they did Bucyrus and O&K!

[@sonnymoon6465]

god that is so typical !!!!!!!!!! let's hope CAT becomes something for the sake of goodness in the world. i really don't care WHO they say they are if they will only do that !

[@mikespillman3075]

I was thinking about saying that exact same thing......I had an EMD engineer some years back, just as the sale was being worked out, say to me that he thinks the sale was bcuz Cat prolly coudnt figure out why EMD turbo's where so much more efficient that Cats.....so Cat just bought emd....just to get the intellectual property.

[@dickJohnsonpeter]

@@mikespillman3075 wouldn't it be easier to just buy one engine and reverse engineer it if that's all your after? No reson to buy the whole company if you only want to see how their turbo works.

[@MrCsxtrain]

Love it!!!! This will help miners all around the world. How much did the locomotive cost in all from top to bottom and from side to side?? LOVE THE LOCOMOTIVE A LOT!!! How long did take to build the locomotive??

[@EdmontonRails]

Standard EMD SD70Ace in cat paint job. My estimate is 2-4 million per locomotive.

[@rickiemckillip8124]

Gevos aren't any Cheaper

[@Chuck59ish]

That must have one of the last engines built at EMD in London, Ontario, Canada, before Caterpillar locked out the employees and moved everything, lock, stock and barrel to the United States.

[@MilwaukeeF40C]

I read they just liquidated almost everything in the London facility instead of taking it to Indiana, because of tax or regulatory reasons. They only ever had the shop in London because of old protectionist laws anyway.

[@Chuck59ish]

Bushrod Rust Johnson Caterpillar bought EMD when GM went bankrupt. The unionized workers tried to negotiate a new contract, but Caterpillar just shut it down and moved all the manufacturing equipment to Indiana and Mexico.

[@MilwaukeeF40C]

Charles Damery Actually Greenbriar Equity and Berkshire Partners bought EMD from GM. It was the best thing that ever happened to EMD, to be separated from that train wreck. Caterpillar bought it from Greenbriar and Berkshire a few years later. The problem with being forced to renew contracts in perpetuity is that it is next to impossible to adjust wages and benefits the other way when the market situation demands it.

[@Chuck59ish]

Bushrod Rust Johnson And it put about 1,200 workers out on the streets, London Ontario, had it's military base shutdown, it's Labatt's breweries was bought by the Belgians, non of this was opposed by the Canadian Federal government which makes the Republican Tea Party look like Boy Scouts. They've sold off Canada, even CP an CN are American controlled even though they still list their headquarters in Canada.

[@MilwaukeeF40C]

Charles Damery No government is competent enough to will outcomes in to being, no matter how much it tries to manipulate economics. Reality will override it eventually. Nobody is entitled to any particular economic outcome, at the expense of voluntary interaction and freedom of association. When people are suddenly out of work like that, they are supposed to be able to eventually find something else to do. Maybe not at the comfort they had previously, but something. State imposed barriers to self employment and artificially high labor compliance costs (and I don't mean wages) restrict that from happening expediently more than anything else these days. It looks like Canada is finally scaling back its mercantilism. It is going to hurt, in the short term. The global economy can not be resisted though.

[@ny0607]

This unit was built in Muncie, Indiana.

[@NP-rh3dt]

that looks really cool.

[@caderamsey8878]

2:13 Transmission system? Are you sure? Think he meant traction system

[@theultimatewelder]

Great video, beautiful locomotive!

[@ahnbra]

I wish some of the thought reportedly put in to this locomotive would be punt in to today's cars and trucks. Make then easier to work on. That in turn should save us the owners of the cars and track money on regular maintenance and be safer during crashes.

[@BKNPhotography]

I’m so excited to catch it if I can🛎

[@sharank2835]

amazing

[@bebtozoltan55]

I like it.Thumbs up !

[@edsel6818]

EXCELLENT LOCOMOTIVES!!! This is definitely my major choice of models for my huge ho scale layout, WITH A 6 AXEL POWERED POSITIVE DRIVE SETUP, NO SLIPPAGE, THEY RUN QUIETLY, EFFECIENTLY SMOOTH AND POWERFUL, JUS ONE CAN PULL UP TO 40 CARS, BUT I USE AN EXTRA LOCO AS A HELPER OR A DPU, FASCINATING JUS FASCINATING. 💪💪😁😉👌👍 MORE PLEASE😁😊💪

[@Okguy4life]

Very nice!!

[@oneeyedhacker715]

1:15 not just mining

[@peckelhaze6934]

Great livery.

[@randysrockandrollrailroad8207]

Awesome!

[@shoominati23]

We'll take them all. Ship the lot to Australia.

[@burlingtonnorthernsantafe4688]

"formidable38" is correct. It is still EMD Power. This is NOT a "Caterpillar" unit per-say. In fact it doesn't say "Cat" or "Caterpillar" or even "Powered by Caterpillar" anywhere on this unit. The only thing remotely CAT on this is the Yellow paint. EMD is owned by Progress Rail which is owned by Caterpillar. All this unit is, is another EMD demonstrator for a new SD70ACe. All Caterpillar (the parent company) used it for was to haul new CAT equipment for a publicity stunt.

[@realyfe32]

first time I've seen a loco that close to those kinds of trucks

[@wireflight]

So it's just an ordinary SD70ACe with a Caterpillar paint job. How is that news?

[@oisiaa]

Good overview, but certainly not a Cat locomotive!

[@TheKoups]

is since CAT bought EMD.

[@stanpatterson5033]

Yeah, it's "Caterpillar" by ownership, but still completely EMD by technology. Although, I imagine it won't be much longer before sCaterplunder starts monkeying around, changing things. Whether or not changes will be for the better remains to be seen, heard, and smelled trackside :)

[@pqhkr2002]

You mean that is an original EMD SD70ACe, the same with those in UP, BNSF, NS, etc. It's just owned by CAT and with CAT paint job?

[@ET_Don]

Tom Smith Yep

[@Creeperboy099]

if it uses a caterpillar manufactured engine at least, I'd consider it Caterpillar

[@tommyt329]

Bring back the CAT engine for trucks. WHY?.....Because they have better pulling power in the low range especially with heavy loads and as an added bonus they invented the brakesaver. Those 2 features suited my application just fine. I drive a C509 Kenworth pulling 100ton loads of logs on to 40' trailers every trip (3 trips per 12hr shift) with a 550hp Cummins which doesn't have the torque for the hills. My old 550 Cat would run circles around the Cummins and Detroit's. Be Great if Cat (Detroit or Cummins) produced a 750hp engine to keep up with Volvo and Scania.

[@isakjohansson7134]

Im no expert about caterpillar but i think emissions were the problem, a problem the ARD-head tried to solve but it was unreliable

[@Slim_Slid]

Detroit Diesel already had a 750 HP two stroke engine back then...It was the 12V-71 TA,it was notorious as the "Buzzen Dozen". Cummins back then also had a engine such as the 1710 which literally was two big cam 855's practically combined into one as a V12,it was used quite often in Kenworth 953-958T mega trucks just like the two stroke V12's were. Detroit's 12V-71 was one of the engines that was available in extended hoods for highway trucks,including Caterpillar's 3412. If you want more than enough torque,a 3408B will do the trick,but then there's also the C18 which obviously was based on it and makes even more than enough power.

[@gh7319]

Built in London, Ontario. Does that mean that Cat have taken over from GM EMD? Would any future GM EMD JT42CWR locomotives, known here in the UK as Class 66 (backbone of the modern British rail freight industry), be built by Cat?

[@janetelizabeth]

Amen and Good Luck!

[@cristianmatache7729]

Camioane asa mari se fabrica si in ROMANIA inainte de 1989 dar acum privim la altii ,in privinta Locomotivelor jos palaria cum spune ti voi its cool

[@nitinkumar7329]

Omg efficiency figures he told. It's more than most SUV's.

[@artiedelimitros9443]

guy perked up the numbers a little much. It has 4,300 hp, weighs 408,000 lbs, and has a starting tractive effort of 191,000 lbs. Not only that CAT had nothing to do with this locomotive, all engineered and built by EMD. CAT just happens to own EMD just like EMD was originally owned by GM.

[@larryhostetler3887]

yeah yeah yeah performance figures blah blah blah... the real question is if it comes standard with old piss smell and overflowing toilet or does that cost extra?

[@spencerali1659]

It's true CAT had nothing to do with it, but his specs are correct. It's an SD70ACe-T4 which is definitely 430,000 lbs and pulls hard. I had one as a trailing unit

[@janetelizabeth]

NOT the same *EMD*!!!!! Electro Motive Diesel is not only a different *NAME, it is a company with a totally different philosophy.

[@karlrovey]

@@larryhostetler3887 That comes with age and use. You have to get rid of the new locomotive smell first.

[@hakeemsd70m]

@H I'm assumimg you have something against railfans?

[@camaross989]

EMD was sold to Greenbriar prior to be being sold to CAT/Progress Rail

[@bearbon2]

An EMD design with an EMD prime mover. So what's so Caterpillar about it? And why doesn't it have a Cat engine?

[@TheEmilychurchill]

I THINK CATERPILLAR BOUT EMD BUT WITH AN AGREEMENT TO USE THE EMD NAME

[@MrThisIsMeToo]

RUBEN RIVERA Learn proper English and grammar and turn the cap locks off you fucking moron.

[@trainsfordays1965]

bearbon2 the Caterpillar part is the paint scheme. because CAT engines aren't as good as EMD. (Plus EMD is CAT)

[@EastTexasRailfan]

bearbon2 it does have a Cat-built engine, but it's still just a 710. And caterpillar own progress rail, who owns EMD.

[@heavyhauler1000]

yea like cat diesels in trucks got poor mileage and had to stop making engines for trucks lol

[@mudman6156]

That's an awesome looking locomotive!!!

[@IanPunter]

Union Pacific should have snuck in here in the middle of the night, kidnapped this loco, quickly painted it in UP colors and sent it out on the next double stack! they already have hundreds just like it, how would anyone else find it....

[@floridianrailauto9032]

UP probably did quickly after this video was published.

[@pkell501]

Caterpillar what a great company

[@techgood]

I want one, and I need one Cat Locomotive

[@DistanceNsVeterans]

Noting like the good oh sd70ace unit this locomotive is good for hauling and its k5lla horn it's cool as well

[@gabrielzeratul]

Why in portuguese?at 2:37

[@schrap72]

I agree Ryan Meyerhofer, awesome.....

[@homeandelectronicsstop1599]

like good information

[@nokithecat]

Well engineered, I like it! Would be nice to see them make a locomotive in the 6000+HP class like the AC6000CW. With Caterpillar anything is possible.

[@sorindncs]

AC6000CW, SD80 and SD90 locomotives were phased out. So at this time the most powerful locomotives in North America have around 4400-4600 HP. Locomotives rated at 5000HP or 6000HP are history.

[@Slim_Slid]

Both EMD and GE failed big time with the SD90MAC & MACH as well as the AC6000CW. The only successful single-handed high horsepower locomotives were the EMD SD80MAC. The SD80MAC saw a short run because Conrail was initially the only railroad that owned them,after the merge most went to Norfolk Southern and some to CSX until the trade deal which Norfolk Southern got all of them in later years. They were sold to Progress Rail and unfortunately scrapped.The last of them are owned by Canadian Pacific being used as parts donors,in storage,for their SD9043MAC's and SD70ACU rebuilds. The problem with the SD90MAC & H was absolutely no harmonic balancing which caused extensive internal vibration leading to broken motor mounts,crankshafts,and other critical components.Even though the 265H was not reliable or durable,later on they were rebuilt by Norfolk Southern when Union Pacific and Canadian Pacific discontinued their service.The 265H ended up only seeing prolonged service in Asia and China while EMD came out with the SD9043MAC having the 710-G3B for both railroads. Finally,the problem with the AC6000CW were the turbochargers from Deutz MKM.Every three months on the dot any AC6000CW had to be sent into a shop to get a turbocharger replacement.They suffered from burning out their seals and having backpressure from the crankshafts,and if the issue wasn't addressed and dealt with they literally would "explode" and send pieces flying. Union Pacific completely rebuilt and derated them into C44ACM's using 7HDL-16's.The units under CSX were designated as AC6044CW's having their horsepower lowered and they actually had no errors whatsoever with a drop like that still using their factory 7HDL-20's.Union Pacific still has them in service,CSX sold them to Progress Rail to keep them in storage longer to evade taxes. Finally,the 1010J in the SD70ACE-T4 is actually based on the 265H,it has the same block and parts,but is completely rebuilt and modernized.Basically it's what the 265H failed to be from the start thanks to Caterpillar. The 265H originally was 6,000 HP so if Tier Four EPA regulations didn't exist Caterpillar actually could've aimed it at 6,000 HP.

[@komatsu575]

pretty good

[@williamb8415]

I would love to get a HO scale SD70ACe engine painted like that

[@futurepilot6749]

Cool

[@evilgoater2697]

so its a run of the mill SD70ACE, but it has a caterpillar paintjob... yay

[@engineer2925]

that's right the biggest joke out there no matter who owns it there is no comparison between the SD70Ace and the CW4400AC anybody who has worked with them will tell you the GE will drag that EMD al over the place the SD's are the slowest loading in power and are a real joke in dynamic Csx has just about quit buying that crap and are mainly a GE railroad now

[@ericwsmith7722]

engineer 29 just curious, may sound like a stupid question. but do locomotives have a bathroom on board ? You seem to know more then the layman.

[@MilwaukeeF40C]

eric wsmith They have terlets in the nose.

[@TheKoups]

AC4400CW.... get it right. Yes because that's what the competition is... not the ES44DC, ES44AC, ET44AC or ET44AH.

[@EastTexasRailfan]

eric wsmith they are in the nose

[@medic8377]

I just don't understand how on Earth a 2-stroke gets better emissions than a 4! I'm not tremendously familiar with emissions regulations, tho.... Maybe it's about how much oxygen they have in the exhaust? Or the O2 to CO2 ratio, maybe? In that case, I suppose a 2 stroke could be better, but....I don't know. That just doesn't seem to make sense to me after working on and with the old Detroits and a couple old EMD engines over the years. Years ago, they did away with 2 strokes for that very reason! ????

[@sorindncs]

Two strokes don't meet tighter emissions regulations than four strokes. It is quite the opposite. It is why Tier 4 locomotives are built ONLY with four stroke engines. But two strokes can meet Tier 3 without any problem.

[@BattleshipOrion]

Sd70's have been around sence the 80's the ACe's where first introduced in 2005 with the builders plate of EMD

[@sorindncs]

No, the first sd70 came out in 1992. Not the eighties.

[@Kvr3005]

Should have mentioned how cat wanted concessions from its london Ontario plant workers in the form of a 50% pay cut and knowing the work force would reject it shut down the plant and move all production to plants in the states & Mexico where they ultimately got what they wanted. Now EMDs sales have sunk even further as railways have caught on that their products are unreliable. That's what happens when you pay a skilled tradesman 15$ an hour, you get a half assed job. I work with these things everyday and let me tell you there is a considerable difference in the quality between London built products vs the muncie Indiana, Mayfield's Kentucky, and Mexican built models.

[@formidable38]

No. The prime movers that have powered the SD70's have been around since 1996 and were developed and built by GM's Electro Motive Diesel (EMD). Its most certainly not a CAT engine! CAT have just bought the whole of EMD from GM.

[@Iowarail]

Oh yes, the SD stands for slip and die.

[@CMDRFandragon]

So with all those sticks on the left side of the Engineer, do you have to sit sideways to drive those things?

[@jasonjamrs7413]

This how you know it's salesman knows what he's talking about

[@Garfieldfidel]

Hallo, da kommt man als Lokführer aus Deutschland nur ins staunen und würde sich gerne mal solche Loks anschauen können und eventuell auch mal ein Stück fahren dürfen! Was für Technik und welche Größe diese Lok haben! (german)

[@checkmate440]

Excellent products I have many Cat machines.

[@Stackedwithcash]

Why are they so good for mining? Are they not good enough for other freight options?

[@matthewdempsey6583]

bring a couple of demo locos to Australia please. Caterpillar took over aurizion rail in Australia known as progress rail

[@rockdawg1467]

Nice job cat very nice design and function this is the hallmark of all locomotive production .I'm sure railroad companies will beat a path to your door metra would like the low emissions factor of these locomotives

[@MilwaukeeF40C]

Caterpillar didn't design them. They bought the company that builds them.

[@rockdawg1467]

oh really didn't know that oh well

[@RailroadGuy49]

What it really needs is better soundproofing. The whistles on these motors are very hard on the eardrums, unlike GE units.

[@randydobson1863]

HELLO MY NAMES IS RANDY AND I AM A BIG FAN A CATERPILLAR COOL THANKS FRIENDS RANDY

[@Craig2760]

Does it come with an espresso maker?

[@geomodelrailroader]

CAT now owns EMD and 1/3 of their engines work in mines

[@rj4590]

EMD did produce a 4 stroke prime mover in the 6000 hp 265H for the SD90.I think the sd 70 uses the 710 (710 cubic inches per cylinder) 16 cylinder.Cost is probably over two million per locomotive.

[@TheKoups]

yes but the SD90mac (6000HP) was rejected by most railroads because it was a track killer. Too much torque, so much that it "ate" the track and itself. that's why most class 1 RR (Union Pacific, etc) use the SD90/43Mac (4300hp rated) units

[@rj4590]

I don.t think that was the reason.The four axle GP60 puts out almost 1000HP per axle and the SD90 with advanced traction control and AC traction motors is more controllable.I believe it is more efficient to buy more 4000-4400HP locomotives.The SD90 was supposed to take the place of two locos,but if it broke down on a train with only one unit you are stuck ,if you have two 3000-4400HP locos and one dies you can still move.

[@TheKoups]

rj4590 there is a reason I said torque and not HP. HP is a relative figure, in short meaning its a useless term. (Torque x rpm)/5252 = HP if I remember correctly. Anyway back to the SD90Mac-H plagued with chassis, engine and electrical problems. the chassis could not handle the *6000hp's torque, which is why the more common and successful SD90/43Mac happened *4400hp There is a massive gap between the GP60 and SD90 in weight. UP still owned *6000hp units from both EMD and GE (GE's AC6000CW used for fast freight) but the power jains to *6000hp also came with a setup in fuel consumption.

[@rj4590]

OK thanks for the response.

[@TheKoups]

All good

[@smkumarphone]

Indian Railways is having 12 K HP AC locomotives for fright carrying. We expect 15 K HP locomotives AC power.

[@VASU-on6gy]

Ace!♠

[@Januszntb]

So the bottom line is that this on is 1.37433 X the price of GE with the some spec. TH

[@TheKoups]

Yep and GE have a whole host of new T4s and EMD(cat) have 1 that class 1 RR bought.