Biggest MCU Retcons in Phases 1 - 4

[@al.109]

You forgot one: In Spider Man Far from Home, it's revealed that Aunt May was blipped in between Infinity War and Endgame. This is a retcon because back when Infinity War came out, the Russo Brothers said that Aunt May survived the snap/blip. Even in Endgame, Aunt May looked a little older. Maybe it was more because of the lack of makeup, but I always interpreted that as Aunt May got older in between the 5 years she spent without Peter. Back then, I found that a bit genius in that they used this event to slowly make her closer to the comics, so because of that. I was not a big fan of the retcon.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow, good addition! I definitely see your point of how not being blipped could have been used to age her up by 5 years, but they retconned she was blipped to add to the Far From Home story of how being blipped impacted people's lives. Great addition to the list. Thanks so much for watching!

[@godofthecripples1237]

@@AbitofEverything4U I would argue that there was a huge missed opportunity to show how the Blip impacted people's lives by keeping Aunt May around for those 5 years and deleting peter. There's definitely a story there, and it could have led into a plot where maybe May was a bit more protective of Peter and not quite as willing to go along with him being Spider-Man. I'm happy with what we got but it's a shame something like that wasn't explored.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@godofthecripples1237 Yeah, it would have been interesting to see how being alive during the blip would have changed Aunt May's personality. Excellent point!

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Yeah, the filmmakers of FFH ain't got the balls.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Too funny! Very fair assessment.

[@murlocaggrob2192]

There's another minor one in WandaVision that you missed. In Age of Ultron, Quicksilver says that the Stark missile landed while they were having dinner and that he and Wanda were trapped under debris. In the flashback, it happened while they were watching TV and they hid under the bed. Ultimately it doesn't matter since the outcome is the same, but it does make that scene in Ultron a little weird.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good one! You get the "attention to detail" award for catching it as I hadn't noticed myself. You are right that it doesn't have a big impact, but it is certainly falls in the retcon category. Thanks so much for watching and adding to the list. Really appreciate it!

[@nh0522]

i think this can be attributed to quicksilver just misremembering, it was many years ago and maybe the memory was partially repressed due to trauma etc

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@nh0522 Certainly a good explanation for the change. I suspect it was likely the writing team messed up, so it might be more of an unintentional retcon, per se.

[@thetotalrandomguy]

Another retcon: Age of Ultron post credit scene showed Thanos with an Infinity Gauntlet ready to go but in Infinity War, Thanos had to get one forged by Eitri. The writers and directors of Infinity War both acknowledged the retcon from Age of Ultron in interviews.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good one! At first I didn't think of it as a retcon as much as a plot hole, but you are right, they essentially retconned the Age of Ultron scene with the new info in Infinity War. Part of me wondered if the AoU scene actually happened after the Infinity War scene and Thanos had the glove made but set it aside for later use and then finally decided to use it himself. Either way, something got retconned. Great addition to the list. Thanks for watching!

[@MagmaCalibur]

@@AbitofEverything4U I'm pretty sure the only explanation to that is that the AoU post credit scene took place right before Infinity War or around 2017-2018. This is because in Infinity War, Thor says that Asgard could not defend Nidavellir when Thanos came to create the gauntlet because Asgard was destroyed (after Thor: Ragnarok)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@MagmaCalibur Right, the only way it seems to work is: 1. Thor: Ragnarok's main movie occurs (Nov, 2017) 2. Thanos had Eitri make the glove 3. Thanos set it aside for the time being. 4. End credit from Age of Ultron occurs 5. Thor: Ragnarok end credit occurs (May, 2018) 6. Infinity War occurs (May, 2018) Really bad retcon in that it makes the chronology a mess. It does have a way to all work out, but it is sloppy.

[@MagmaCalibur]

@@AbitofEverything4U Yup. Besides, Whedon never really wanted to do Avengers 3 so he probably didn't have much of a plan for Thanos coming forward. Makes me wonder what Infinity War would look like if he had directed it, though.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@MagmaCalibur Yeah, Whedon was definitely tiring of the MCU by Age of Ultron. It was still a good movie, but you could tell he had lost the magic he had with the first Avengers movie. He then followed up by making a mess of Justice League over at DC. So it was probably good he didn't do Infinity War. I suspect it would not have been good. Just my take, though.

[@ignaciorodriguez5636]

I hated that they retcon'd th Budapest mission, which was hinted as an good bonding experience between Hawkeye and Black Widow, but then in Black Widow it is shown to be a very bad thing.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, good one! Yeah, they definitely changed up the Budapest mission. That said, Hawkeye did say you have a different recollection than I do, so perhaps Black Widow was being facetious? But I agree that's a great example of a retcon. Thanks for watching and adding your thoughts!

[@captainjakemerica4579]

I really don't see this as a retcon plus I find it's not being fully revealed is the best way to handle it make it like in Blade Runner with the question of if Rick Deckard is a human or replicant

[@Lanosrep]

I think the Nick Fury Cat retcon fits him well. We know from his previous appearances that he is a manipulator, and is willing to twist the truth in order to get his people to do what he wants. A good example of this is Avengers, where it is revealed that he removed Coulson's collectable cards from his locker, soaked them in his blood, and then put them on the table in front of Steve and Tony. Fury insinuating that his eye loss was over a lack of trust in a person served to try and manipulate and convince Steve of that point in Cap 2.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good points! Yeah, I think that this particular retcon might have been less well received at first because fans had all kinds of ideas in their heads of what major character caused him to lose his eye. But you are right that once you get past the fact that it wasn't what was expected, the actual retcon made sense and was pretty funny as well. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your excellent feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@captainjakemerica4579]

That's the very problem with the MCU fandom in a nutshell getting exciting expectations and then whining and bitching when they're not met I swear Avengers Infinity war and Endgame being as amazing as they were was a blessing and a curse they were Incredible movies and definitely had the large-scale of the comics they were adapting but then it lead to the high expectations and them not always being met which has been an ongoing problem with the fandom since

[@steamrazor8084]

I think the Stan Lee retcon is the best. It is known that the Watchers have the ability to instantly travel from one universe to another and that their goal is never to interfere. Stan Lee's appearances become that of a single character who has traveled the multiverse and the various timelines. That explains why he doesn't age much.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I agree, it's a fantastic retcon. Great way to honor Stan Lee and make all of his appearances have an extra meaning to them. And you are right that it even makes him the same character across the other multiversal appearances in the Sony universe, the Fox x-men, etc. Very cool! Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!

[@legomaster4188]

I always interpreted Gamora's people being killed by thanos to prove he was wrong, and they still all died out

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting. Okay, that's a good way to view it. I hadn't considered that. It is still more confusing than I feel it should be, but your explanation works well. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!

[@red_ryn_9917]

Actually in infinity war i’m like 90% sure gamora say to someone that it didn’t work and she is the last of her species cause they died out

[@robi-wankenobi6416]

I’m pretty sure in Infinity War Thanos actually said that her planet is now blossoming with life thanks to him

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@robi-wankenobi6416 Yeah, that's what I recall as well.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@red_ryn_9917 I guess I don't remember that, but I need to watch it again to be sure.

[@john_comi]

Dude seriously these daily uploads are amazing! Make sure to not burn yourself out but definitely keep it up! These are all great discussions and I enjoy listening to them while I work. Makes cleaning theaters a lot less tedious! 👍👍👍

[@AbitofEverything4U]

How cool! I love the idea that you are in a movie theatre listening to a video about movies that were shown in that same theatre. Very meta! And yeah, good advice on not getting burned out. I love doing the videos, but I do have to step away at times to relax. It can be additive and hard to take a break. Thanks so much for watching and for your positive feedback!

[@SudrianShenanigans]

13:34 I wouldn't exactly call that a retcon by Captain Marvel, since Agent Carter (both the TV show and her one-shot after First Avenger) focus pretty heavily on the formation of S.H.I.E.L.D. and those are in the 40's. In addition, I also feel like the "Fury in space" plotline was a fairly major one, I'm not quite sure if it specifically retconned anything off the top of my mind, (aside from the Age of Ultron toast scene), but I figured it was worth a potential mention. Love the content, love the presentation of information, keep up the great work!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I completely agree that the Agent Carter one shot should take the hit for retconning Iron Man. Excellent point. And I agree, the "Fury in space" situation is going to likely be a retcon. I can't figure out specifically when he went to space. I personally think it was after Winter Soldier, but I guess it could be as recent as after Endgame. Secret Invasion should finally explain it. But I suspect you are correct that it will end up being a retcon...a good retcon...but a retcon, none-the-less. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your feedback. I really appreciate it!

[@BillyWiccanHex]

I think Peter is the right age personally. He was 15 in homecoming which is 2017, so in 2011, when ironman 2 takes place, he would've been 9.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I agree that Peter might actually be the right age for being in Iron Man 2. The actor seems abit small for someone that is 9 as I would have thought the actor was likely 6 or so. But we know Peter was a smaller kid, so perhaps that actor does look like Peter would look at age 9. Great point!

[@Robert-fr4it]

Amazing Video!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! Really appreciate it!

[@newt1110]

Another retcon is Sharon not being Blipped, since in the beginning of Endgame she was on the monitors but The Falcon and Winter Soldier changed it so she survived and became the Powerbroker. Good Video, and I also appreciated the video about the Snap, with who died, survived, or potentially got Snapped, The Snap is a premise I wish they dived more into.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great addition to the list regarding Sharon. And yes, I agree, the blip is fascinating and I'd love to see more about that timeframe. I hope Secret Invasion fills in the blanks around it, as it is supposedly going to have at least some parts of it during the 5 year blip period!

[@doriandaykin2747]

I think the Quantum Realm overall is a weird Web Of retcons. In Ant-Man 1, Ant-Man is just floating in a void for less than a min, and returns to anout the same point in time. In Ant-Man and The Wasp, it's a place with actual terrain that you can land a ship into, and again, time seems to move normally (Janet is in there for years and ages accordingly, but Scott is in there for 5 years and only 5 hours passes. In Endgame, they kind of fly through, without hitting any terrain, to Time Travel. And in Quantumania, its back to being a place with terrain, and time related stuff is unclear. Edit: In Ant-Man, it's just referred to as "going subatomic", and when Scott comes back, Hank refers to it as the Quantum Realm, implying they are the same thing, but Hank didn't know about it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I am really hoping they explain why Janet aged so many years and why Scott just aged 5 hours. That never made sense to me. I suspect that Quantumania will attempt to address it and that there is likely some type of retcon on the horizon. Excellent addition to the list!

[@Malarc695]

I Don't think it was ever explained but it makes sense to me that Scott fell into a time vortex like thing and that's also apparently what the avengers did

[@masterpankace9]

You make so much good content! You deserve more subs bro!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much. Really appreciate it!

[@meerkatjeans8892]

I love your mcu videos! Keep them up!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! I really appreciate the positive feedback!

[@robi-wankenobi6416]

There’s another one: in what if it’s retconned that just like with Thor and Mjolnir, Hela also used the crown to channel the power and it can be used by anyone else (here worthiness doesn’t matter) with a weaker effect And although it’s in a different universe it probably works the same way in 616

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good catch! Yeah, that does seem to be a pretty big retcon. Thanks so much for watching and adding to the list. Really appreciate it!

[@paradigmprime3582]

The 8 years in homecoming was sonys fault not marvel

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Sorta...Kevin Feige was listed as a producer. So he has to take some of the blame for it. He also defended that it was correct before accepting it was horribly wrong. But yeah, I do fault Sony for it, too.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@AK Wait, was this retcon video your idea, too? Dang, I should have mentioned you. I'm going to mention you when I do my Phase 1 - 3 timeline w/o Disney+ video, but I didn't realize this one was your idea, too. I am so sorry I didn't mention you!

[@captainjakemerica4579]

Thought Sony admitted that it was supposed to say 4 years later

[@theblueartist1304]

Great video as always! Retcons can be SO ANNOYING sometimes!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Totally! I'm fine if they fit in the overall story and at times even improve the story, but dang it if some of them aren't really poorly done. Thanks for watching!

[@driveasandwich6734]

Fun fact: the word "retcon" was coined in a fan letter to the comic "All-Star Squadron" which DC made to take place in and explain stuff from it's original, WW2-era universe.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiiice! I didn't know that. So it all came from a fan letter...exactly the way it should have originated. Very cool. Thanks for watching and adding that bit of trivia. I really appreciate it!

[@milansoltesz9395]

How about Thor, Loki or even Odin's blood being red (regular blood) coloured, but then LaT says that gods have golden blood. Or that only special weapons (like the Necro-sword) can kill gods, but Loki died by getting his neck snapped? Maybe Thanos was using the stones in the gauntlet to do that, but it's hard to tell. If he's not using it tho, how does he snapped Loki's neck?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great comments! Yeah, I don't know what was up with the golden blood. Maybe that was just Zeus' soldiers that had golden blood? Definitely strange. And you raise a good point about the Necro-sword and killing the gods. I do wonder if Thanos used the gauntlet to kill Loki, but you still raise a great point. Thanks so much for watching the video and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!

[@ollo3934]

It's interesting to think that if you made a graph of how likely AoS was Canon it would start high and consistent, bomb with Infinity War aftermath inconsistencies only to jump back up due to the multiverse being established as partial canon. All this is not mentioning the Darkhold and inhuman sections of the show

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting thought. Yeah, I think you nailed what that graph would look like. All I know for sure is I enjoyed all 7 seasons and tried so hard to find ways to keep it canon, but I finally gave up and just sat back and had fun with the show. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!

[@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu]

The multiverse is still an strange área with AOS, theorycally a different timeline should be erase by the TVA before Loki (show) events take place.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu I guess it would only be erased if it created a nexus event, i.e. created a new Kang. So it could exist in the multiverse, similar to how the two Spider-man universes exist.

[@Seraserastria]

I didn't realize the Loki being controlled by the Mind Stone thing was canon!! That's awesome, I love that so much. It really makes sense, given how Avengers never really felt like it lined up with his other appearances. I actually like the Gamora race "retcon" because I don't view it as one. The Xandar police outright state she is the last of her kind, right? Well, we don't see what happened to Gamora's race after she was taken, now do we? Thanos does say that the rest of her kind is thriving, but I think that's why this is kind of brilliant, he's lying. Thanos is no longer making a valid point, he's outright manipulating her because he's so convinced he's right, and he wants her by his side no matter what. I also think it makes sense for Nick Fury to have known about aliens through Captain Marvel. I mean, why would he be starting up an Avengers Initiative to protect Earth from other worldly forces, if he had no idea they existed until Thor, which was certainly after Iron Man. It makes sense that he had some sort of encounter with them prior to Iron Man. I suppose he could have known about stuff like the D.B. Cooper situation, but that would be yet another retcon, wouldn't it?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great comments. Yes, I was very happy to see the Loki / Mind Stone recon be considered canon. It just works so perfectly. On the Gamora retcon, yea, I think if we assume Thanos is lying, then I agree, it actually works out well. And I also agree that I didn't mind the Captain Marvel retcon with Fury meeting other aliens first. The line in Avengers doesn't work out quite right, but it can be excused as Fury lying and not telling the Avengers about the Skrulls. So it works out okay in that case. Great feedback. Thanks for watching!

[@MediaLeft425]

title alone will make this one of your most viewed

[@AbitofEverything4U]

No doubt about it... we all love (or at times hate) the retcons!

[@MediaLeft425]

@@AbitofEverything4U make a video about aos being canon please i need that after you mentioned it

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I need to do a specific video on AoS. It's such a controversial topic as people either love it or want it jettisoned into the multiverse. I personally love the series myself. Okay, I have it on my list for video ideas. I need to get it done. Thanks for mentioning it!

[@bhatfield1417]

You have great videos. Very fair in analysis.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! Really appreciate the positive feedback. I definitely try my best to be as fair as I can on each topic. Glad it comes across that way. Thanks so much for watching!

[@EastorSouth]

Keep up the work

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! Appreciate you watching and for the positive feedback!

[@2madreesupisoyk410]

@@AbitofEverything4U bru fym positive bro jus forcin u to work fr LMAO

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@2madreesupisoyk410 Nah, I take it as positive feedback that he likes the video. I enjoy making them, so it's not even really work. And thanks for watching!

[@lewisthomas4857]

These videos are quality, wish they was longer!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for the positive feedback. I'm always afraid to make them too long as I don't want to make people see the length and be like "no way, man...too long". But your feedback means alot, so perhaps I shouldn't be so worried about it. Thanks so much for watching!

[@lewisthomas4857]

@@AbitofEverything4U maybe give it a test and see how the feedback is. 🤞

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@lewisthomas4857 Surprisingly the nearly 1 hour video on re-creating the timeline from scratch w/o Disney+ did well. And so did the 30 minute State of Villainy. So I think you are probably right.

[@sosirisos]

Yes! I’m glad you did this video! I love this

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! It was alot of fun to put together. Appreciate you watching!

[@sosirisos]

@@AbitofEverything4U why didn’t you mention the age of ultron vault scene with thanos about how he got the gauntlet

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@sosirisos Good one! At first I didn't think of it as a retcon as much as a plot hole, but you are right, they essentially retconned the Age of Ultron scene with the new info in Infinity War. Part of me wondered if the AoU scene actually happened after the Infinity War scene and Thanos had the glove made but set it aside for later use and then finally decided to use it himself. Either way, something got retconned. Great addition to the list!

[@mariorwr1833]

Great video as always

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much!

[@Volvagia0slayer]

My understanding is that it's that the little kid in the Iron Man helmet being Peter Parker is still kind of questionably official. It started as a fan theory, then Tom Holland said it was true that said that Kevin Feige approved, but it's not anything that came directly from Feige, which means it doesn't necessarily have to be true. Also in Agents of SHIELD it's revealed that Coulson really did die... though I guess the pilot implied that he didn't actually die in Avengers when a few episodes later it was confirmed that he did actually die and SHIELD was lying to Coulson about him having survived the attack. Definitely agree with you on which retcons are good and which are bad from your list. (I do think the Mind Stone controlling Loki in Avengers is a little cheap, but that retcon is kind of needed to buy his character in the Loki series.) I'd be pretty happy with a retcon that Inhumans and mutants are the same thing in the MCU and either Inhumans are a subset of mutants that need Terrigen to trigger their powers or those humans with alien DNA have now evolved past the point of needing Terrigen for their powers to activate (despite still needing some other trigger like puberty or extradimensional bangles).

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great comments! - I agree, I'm not for certain on the Peter is in the Iron Man suit retcon. I did see that director Jon Watts also said it was Peter in that suit, but unsure if Feige has signed off on it. - The Coulson didn't die situation was handled better than most retcons, but I still think Avengers made it sound like he was dead and as you mention, AoS made it sound like he didn't die in Avengers and then like he did die. Still, I was glad to have him back for seven seasons, so I'm okay with it. - The Loki was controlled by the sceptre retcon was abit cheap, but I agree that it was necessary or Loki's series would have picked up with him being really evil. - Interesting suggestion on the Inhumans / mutants retcon idea. Would be wild to see all the doors that opens for existing storylines as well as new ones. Thanks for the great feedback!

[@Seras99]

I think the biggest and baddest retcon is the fact that in she hulk, it was revealed that the entire MCU is an AI controlled by robo Kevin. Thus pulling a St. Elsewhere.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point! Yeah, that was a retcon of all retcons. Retconning the context for the entire MCU, for crying out loud. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@Seras99]

@@AbitofEverything4U Oh your welcome. That would mean… the Sam Rami movies of Spider-Man or the Fox X-Men movies or any past works that isn’t MCU centric is more real then fiction. And you know what? In those movies, sometimes I do felt like it was set in a real world written by a real person.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great points. I hadn't thought about what it means for the Sony and Fox movies. Wild!

[@IcyDiamond]

@@AbitofEverything4U To be fair, the real life Kevin Feige helped work on those movies before he worked on the MCU, so maybe the same is true in She-Hulk’s meta universe?

[@IcyDiamond]

In Multiverse of Madness, they confirm that every dream had by a character in the Marvel Multiverse is them seeing into a different universe, therefore all of these shows and movies are all just one big dream had by different characters

[@broston_]

So the Gauntlet retcon made me wonder, how did Odin and Hela know about it in the first place? Doesn't Thanos forge it after that?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow, that's a great question. Perhaps Odin has had that fake gauntlet for a really long time and thus before Hela was banished. But that's a fantastic question!

[@broston_]

@@AbitofEverything4U No I get how Hela would know about it. What doesn't make sense is the fact that it's a replica because it can't be a replica of anything since the replica had to have been created before Thanos forged his

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh! So sorry, I misread your comment. Yeah, I agree, that is a puzzler. Perhaps since it seemed people knew about the stones (like the Collector did, for example) that Odin also knew and made the gauntlet to act as though he had already gotten the stones or was working on getting them. It seemed Odin's rulership was based on either fear or lies and so he created that gauntlet to imply that he had already gotten them all. But yeah, very good question!

[@doriandaykin2747]

I can guarantee there's going to be some kind of retcon regarding The Leader in Cap 4.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point. Something is going to change with his backstory, I suspect. Will be interesting to see if they keep the tie-in comic canon. That comic had Black Widow capturing Sterns and taking him off to captivity with S.H.I.E.L.D. Either way, can't wait to see him fully realized as the Leader. Should be awesome. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@ShmooRay]

Great vid! Wasn't SHIELD established as having been around for a long time as far back as the Agent Carter One-Shot (not to mention Winter Soldier!)? So this ret-con would long pre-date the Captain Marvel film, wouldn't it?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point. I think the One-Shot should really be blamed for the retcon as you mention. I wonder if people point the finger at Captain Marvel as they forget the One Shot. But it is considered canon, so I agree, the One Shot really is the retcon. Nice call!

[@ShmooRay]

@@AbitofEverything4U Also, the opening scene of Ant-Man is set at SHIELD in 1989. Which is earlier than the SHIELD scenes in Captain Marvel.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@ShmooRay Excellent point. So basically a laundry list of entries made Iron Man retconned: Agent Carter One-Shot, Winter Solder (thanks to Zola's info), Ant-Man, and Captain Marvel. Like, wow!

[@kayaonyoutube]

Another one: doesn't Ant-Man & Wasp's mass/weight explanation change throughout the films? In Ant-Man, Scott is just as heavy when he is small compared to when he is normal-size (because the density of the atoms is simply increased), but other films portray him as being much lighter when he is small, and much heavier when is large. For example: climbing through Tony's suit in Civil War, without Tony feeling the added weight, and Scott making loud footsteps as Giant-Man in Endgame.

[@Surfboarder4]

I think the explanation here is that Hank Pym was either lying to Scott about how it works or just genuinely isn't really sure himself

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting. I did think he was supposed to be the same weight even when he's small. We see him crack the floor in the first Ant Man when in ant form, as I recall. So it does seem they keep changing things around regarding that. Great catch. I'd never thought about it before.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@Surfboarder4 I did think he was supposed to be the same weight even when he's small. We see him crack the floor in the first Ant Man when in ant form, as I recall. So I think there is an inconsistency here. I need to ponder it some more, but it does sound like an issue.

[@Surfboarder4]

Yeah there's no real way to make it work. Pym particles reduce the space between atoms but you can go subatomic. Your weight stays the same but then wasp can run along a knife and Scott enter tony's suit. They don't gain any mass yet giant-man suffers from exhaustion, square-cube law. I just see it in the category of things you've got to excuse for the sake of having a movie, just like everyone mysteriously being on comms at the avengers battles.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@Surfboarder4 Right, I think it definitely makes no sense, but since I love the overall concept of Ant Man I just kinda let it go and enjoy the ride.

[@soujanyachatterjee09]

14:00 SHEILD was created by Howard Stark and Peggy Carter. It was shown at the beginning of Ant Man. Also Winter Soldier mo ie also showed that brain thing in computer of a person from The First Avenger Movie. So thats not a retcon..probably Coulson was trying to be incognito

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, excellent point about SHIELD. Iron Man was indeed retconned, but it wasn't Captain Marvel that retconned it, but really the Agent Carter One Shot. Great catch. I'm not sure I understand what you mean about Winter Soldier, however. You are correct that Zola was shown in Captain America: Winter Solider as a computer and that was the same Zola from the first Captain America movie. But I'm not sure which retcon you are referring to in regards to Coulson being incognito. Can you clarify that? My apologies for being slow. And thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!

[@heroichits2153]

I’ve never understood why Disney/Sony haven’t corrected the 8 years later thing. Disney infamously censored some movies and shows back when Disney + first started up and it’s not as complicated as some of the changes they made. Would be nice to have a fixed version on streaming and maybe even future releases physically.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, that would be so nice if they would correct that. I know from a purest standpoint some people bristle at fixing previous films (for example Lucas' updates to A New Hope are scorned by some). But in this case it would be really nice if they would fix it as it is an error and not adding new elements to the movie. Great call!

[@captainjakemerica4579]

Thought Sony admitted it was a mistake and was supposed to say 4 years later

[@heroichits2153]

I think the SHIELD predating Iron Man 1 retcon is a bit misatributed to Captain Marvel. We see in the Agent Carter one shot that it was created in the 50s as well as getting similar info in The Winter Soldier. Great video though!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, excellent catch. I was on a roll with Captain Marvel, but I agree, the Agent Carter one shot is what really retconned Iron Man. Thanks for spotting that!

[@robi-wankenobi6416]

Yeah but Peter also made a mistake by not thinking about who he wants not to forget

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Okay, I probably need another cup of coffee to get my mind going this morning, but I'm not sure which retcon you are referring to. I definitely agree Peter really messed up that spell due to not thinking thru his request to Dr. Strange and then butting in over and over during the spell. But I couldn't tell which retcon you were talking about. Sorry for being slow.

[@robi-wankenobi6416]

@@AbitofEverything4U Oh man sorry I meant to comment on a different video my bad 😅😂

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@robi-wankenobi6416 Too funny! I wondered if that was the case. I was trying really hard to tie it to this video, but I finally gave up. : )

[@robi-wankenobi6416]

@@AbitofEverything4U If you’re wondering, it was a video pointing out the biggest mistakes in the mcu and they said that Strange made one when not explaining the whole spell to Peter

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@robi-wankenobi6416 Ah, that makes sense. Yes, I agree, Strange just jumped right into the spell and that did indeed lead to Peter changing it up several times.

[@calinnit9685]

Hey would you ever make a video on the mcu adjacent theme park attractions / rides?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I've had a few people suggest that. It's a cool idea, so I added to my list. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@tallietorchersproductions2740]

In the Avengers, Tony Stark says that he’s an LMD (life model decoy), to Agent Coulson. Now I’m not entirely sure if that’s a retcon or not but sure enough, a few years later in Agents of Shield the LMDs pop up

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting thought on the LMD line being retconned. I guess in my head canon I assumed Tony mentioned LMDs since they were part of the shield arsenal but you are right that they seemed to be invented in Agents of SHIELD. Great catch!

[@Aeis_Arcade]

Every change or reveal is not a retcon. It has to be specifically stated one way and then treated as if it was never different; there has to be an inconsistency. Some of these are just plot reveals.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I thought the same as you. However, if you look at the definition of retcon, it does include plot reveals, as long as they change something that was already established. That's why I was saying in the video that not all retcons are bad. Some are poorly executed, but the ones that are well executed still fall into that Oxford definition. Thoughts? And, thanks for watching and sharing your ideas. I really enjoy the dialogue!

[@jakeproven256]

Since Howard had so many jobs, it's no wonder why Tony thought Howard didn't love him. Kids do tend to have negative views on their parents later in life when they don't have time for them.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very true! Yeah, that's why I loved Endgame so much. That moment between Tony and Howard was so touching. Such an incredible scene!

[@tfstopmotions123]

hasn’t SHIELD existed way before Captain Marvel though? like with Peggy and Howard Stark? So would Captain Marvel really retcon SHIELD being “new” in Iron Man?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the fact that Iron Man was retconned was correct, but it was actually the Agent Carter one-shot that did the retconning. Great catch!

[@Dalton_Boardman2000]

You forgot the biggest retcon of all, Peter Parker's identity. It essentially makes the next installment a soft reboot by establishing Spider-Man as a superhero with zero personal ties. Btw I know this isn't technically a retcon but for all intents and purposes it functions like one.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I could see that potentially being a retcon. In a way it does change the past because it's like Peter never existed. Good call!

[@Onkiss]

Can you pls make a good chronological dceu timeline video, i cant find any good out there.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting idea. You are right, I don't know that I've seen that timeline anywhere either. It's become a real mystery regarding Amanda Waller and how she went from getting outed by her daughter in Peacemaker for trying to cover things up and then is suddenly back in charge in Black Adam. Either Black Adam happens earlier than Peacemaker (and maybe even earlier than The Suicide Squad, as she messed up pretty bad there, too) or Waller has a ton of dirt on everyone. Heck, even Superman follows her requests. That lady is running the show!

[@josinfleurs]

My favorite retcons are: Odin’s infinity Gauntlet is fake & Carol “Avenger” Danvers being the name that inspired the Avengers Initiative. I feel like Captain Marvel could've been sooo much better, the movie isn't bad at all but could've been better, some of the choices (90% of them being retcons) affected things in a negative way, I appreciate the risks but the execution... not that great (Like Goose making Fury blind or the Skrulls being actually the first alien encounter...)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good picks for your favorite retcons. And I definitely agree that the retcons in Captain Marvel really hurt it more than helping it. I liked the movie as well, but it could have been better. I did like her in Endgame, however, so I'm glad they got her appearance right for that movie!

[@redwhiteandvibranium120]

Didn't they show that Iron Man 2 retron with the kid in Homecomings animated credits?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Hmmmmmm....could be. I watched the animated credits just now and I didn't see it, but I could have missed it. But both the director and Tom Holland confirmed that it is Peter in that Iron Man 2 scene, so it's been confirmed as official. If you see it in the end credits, let me know. And thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@redwhiteandvibranium120]

@@AbitofEverything4U Thanks for the reply! I just rewatched it and the part I was thinking of is RDJs credit moment...Spiderman looking up to him there I interpreted that as a reference to the IM2 scene. Iron Man here has a more classic suit instead of Mk 47 and Spider-Man is sized like he's a kid. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but to me it always felt like their little official of calling it canon.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@redwhiteandvibranium120 You know, I wondered if that was what you were thinking. Very clever. Yeah, it does make sense that it was a nod to the Iron Man 2 scene. Nice call. I think you nailed it!

[@AVGJ3859]

Another retcon, I though Captain America was the first Avenger. And his team during World War 2 where the first team that inspired Nick Fury to create his own team and call them the Avengers. However, naming the team after Captain Marvel felt like an after thought, because the MCU made no mentions of her before Infinity War. This feels cheap, trying to make Captain Marvel look like she plays a major role to the MCU. Now she considered the 1st Avenger.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting point that you raise. I wonder if anyone actually called Steve Rogers the First Avenger in the actual movie or it was just Marvel's clever way to title the movie to get more people to watch it. You are right, if they actually called him that in the movie, then it is a big time retcon. But you are also right that the retcon in Captain Marvel felt cheap either way, because it seemed like they were trying to make Captain Marvel have more significance that was warranted. Great comments. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

It's never explained where Fury got the name, Cap is just branded (not even in movie) as first Avenger because he's Earth's 1st superhero. The Captain Marvel retcon is cheap and an afterthought because the whole character is. They know they had to make her relevant to the Infinity Saga but it was way too late.

[@AVGJ3859]

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom I'm sure most fans wouldn't mind her inclusion if she had appeared earlier. But Marvel thought they need to wedge her between two Avengers movie. But even, her movie has little to do with Infinity War.

[@sageturmelle]

Not sure if this retcon was covered in this video, but in addition to people thinking Shuri and Aunt May survived the snap when they didn't, a lot of people also think that Selvig survived the snap when in fact he didn't. Edit: And there's also Sharon being on the database in Endgame but it's more likely she was MIA (missing in action) like Scott was before he returned.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great points. Marvel definitely changed their minds on several character's "blip" status. Nice addition to the list!

[@medleystudios72]

It was actually Sony that made the "8 years" mistake, not Marvel. One of the many times Sony showed that they weren't paying attention to what Marvel was doing.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, Sony definitely gets the most blame, but it did take a long time for Feige to admit it was an error and then he committed to laying out a full timeline. You can see his comments here, which came out around 3 months after Homecoming was released: www.cinemablend.com/news/1712910/kevin-feige-finally-addressed-the-spider-man-homecoming-timeline-controversy. We did finally get that timeline when the 10 year anniversary of the MCU hit in 2018. So I guess I blame Marvel as much as Sony since they didn't have that timeline available for Sony to reference and thus Sony just made up a timeframe that ended up being horribly wrong. Anyway, thanks so much for watching the video and sharing your thoughts. Love the dialogue with fellow MCU fans!

[@heroshakti]

I think Odin was supposed to have gauntlet but they changed it and called it replica for their Thanos story

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh...now that's a cool theory!

[@scottking8189]

To be honest the gamora thing wasn’t done well but I do like the idea that thanos says the world was thriving but it’s unlikely he’d go visit it to see how they’re doing, they likely all died from famine or something. Still not very smart

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that's a good explanation for how it could work out. And I agree, it just wasn't very smart how they handled it. It had potential to be an interesting twist, but I honestly think they just forgot about the line from GotG. Great comments!

[@steamrazor8084]

With the Multiverse of madness and Loki, I think Agents of Shield, Daredevil and all the rest are retconed. We know that in a different universe The Inhumans is canon. Since many Loki came from different timelines, with similar stories, we can say that the inhumans in MoM are not the same than Inhumans the series, but they are variants in another timeline where Agent of shield is.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

How interesting. I see where you are going with that logic and I think it makes alot of sense. I've always felt the best direction for Marvel to go with the pre-Disney+ shows is to call them canon in a different universe. And if that ends up being the direction Marvel goes, then ironically that means Loki retconned all the pre-D+ shows into the multiverse. Great observation!

[@nowonspecial]

If you add agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, iron fist, daredevil, punisher, luke Cage, Jessica Jones, inhumans, runaways and cloak & dagger as canon or part of the MCU. Then when do these shows take place in the timeline?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. But I apologize as I'm not sure I'm following your question. Are you asking if I can add the pre-Disney+ shows to the overall timeline or are you asking about a retcon? So sorry for being slow.

[@nowonspecial]

@@AbitofEverything4U No. Sorry. Thats on me. I only watch your videos when I had time but now I’m binge watching all of them. I just saw your “ Are the TV shows prior to Disney plus canon?” Video. And you answer the question already. I don’t think you’re slow at all, in fact if anyone were to ask about the timeline I’m gonna refer your videos. They’re on point. And thanks again for all the content you put out.

[@nowonspecial]

@@AbitofEverything4U No. Sorry. Thats on me. I only watch your videos when I had time but now I’m binge watching all of them. I just saw your “ Are the TV shows prior to Disney plus canon?” Video. And you answer the question already. I don’t think you’re slow at all, in fact if anyone were to ask about the timeline I’m gonna refer your videos. They’re on point. And thanks again for all the content you put out.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@nowonspecial Ah, gotcha! Okay, great, glad you were able to check out that pre-Disney+ shows canon or not video. And I appreciate your kind words. I really do enjoy making the vids and it's great to hear when people get something out of them. Thanks again!

[@weponizedsatire2813]

Almost been a week without a new video :(

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for noticing! I appreciate that. I spent forever on the Phase 1 - 3 timeline w/o Disney+ video, which several people requested after I did that for Phase 4. It's finally done and I should have it out by tomorrow and it was definitely worth all the effort. It turned out well. And today I'm heading to see Wakanda Forever, so plan to do a quick reaction / timeline video this afternoon. So I promise to get more content out soon. Thanks again for the encouragement!

[@weponizedsatire2813]

Hell yeah, thanks man

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@weponizedsatire2813 Sure thing!

[@christianknight727]

Hydra infiltrating Shield and Bucky killing Tony’s parents are the best MCU retcons in my opinion

[@AbitofEverything4U]

True...those are fantastic!

[@coopdville855]

Damn! That dictionary didn't offer up the fact that the word itself came into being as an abbreviated way to say retroactive continuity!? Webster is really phoning it in these days, I guess.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Irk? How do they get away with not mentioning that?

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Loki was controlled by the Mind Stone?? Where was this in the movies??

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Sorry if I am misunderstanding your question, but if you are asking where is this fact revealed in the movies, the answer is that it isn't. The reason I only mentioned it being in his Marvel bio is because it's never been made canon in the movies/shows. However his official bio states: "Gifted with a Scepter that acted as a mind control device, Loki would be able to influence others. Unbeknownst to him, the Scepter was also influencing him, fueling his hatred over his brother Thor and the inhabitants of Earth." You can find it here: www.marvel.com/characters/loki/on-screen. So it's just a cool fact that Marvel has made official via their character bio for Loki. And it makes sense, because Loki's personality was very different in The Avengers compared to how he acted in the Thor movies or the Loki series. In fact, the Loki series, which picks up right after The Avengers movie, shows that almost as soon as the sceptre was out of his hands he was acting much more rationally and calmly. Hope that helps answer. Really appreciate you watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

@@AbitofEverything4U My bad, I skimmed on the vid and on mute. Missed that part about it on the bio. Personally, not a fan. I don't like the trope that "no one's truly evil, it's just a tool magically corrupts them". They did it again with Wanda with the Darkhold and Gorr with the Necrosword. Also, with Loki, I can imagine his villainous behavior in A1 came from both his previous defeat and suddenly finding himself a sponsor (Thanos). It amplified his desires. With the Loki series, I always take it as an oversight to have his demeanors changed so quickly.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

​@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Yeah, I agree, I'm not a fan of the "evil tools corrupting people" routine, as it is indeed used alot. Totally with you on that. However, in Loki's case, it does make sense. I think your explanation of how his personality could change so abruptly also works, but it was a perfect explanation to have the mind stone amplifying his hatred. I mean he really looks completely out of his mind in some of the scenes in Avengers. He's sweating profusely and has a demonic smile. He takes pleasure in ripping out that dude's eye to open the vault and he gleefully kills the New Yorkers in the final scene. However, once the sceptre is out of his hands, his demeanor completely changes. It happens both in Avengers after he is defeated and it happens in Loki once again. So while I totally agree with you about not liking Marvel using that trick so many times, it truly is perfect in this case. Thanks again for watching!

[@vinfacts11]

Captain Marvel did not say SHIELD was around long before. Ant Man and the Agent Carter one Shot did.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep, great catch. The retcon is valid, but the reference isn't. The One Shot is the earliest mention of S.H.I.E.L.D. and so Captain Marvel took an unfair hit for that retcon. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!

[@julianortiz5712]

I definitely agree that Captain Marvel caused a few problems, but I believe that the fact that S.H.I.E.L.D. wasn't a new organization wasn't revealed in Captain Marvel. On the Agent Carter one shot and subsequently on the Agent Carter TV Show, you see Howard Stark and Peggy Carter start the foundation of what would become S.H.I.E.L.D. in the future

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point. Iron Man's S.H.I.E.L.D. storyline was indeed retconned, but I agree, it was actually Agent Carter One Shot that first did the reconning (is that a word?) Thanks so much for watching and adding to the list. Really appreciate it!

[@phoenixcoleman3256]

Will you make a video on how Black Atom (2022) fits into the MCU timeline? I appreciate it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Now THAT would be a retcon! Would be awesome to have Dwayne Johnson in the MCU, though. Maybe when he's done pounding on Superman he can join the MCU?

[@phoenixcoleman3256]

@@AbitofEverything4Uimagine if that's how they introduce DC characters to the mcu, the internet would explode

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@phoenixcoleman3256 It would indeed!

[@Reda_tbb]

Bruhh I have to study man, why you gotta distract me with these top-tier videos?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh man, please don't get me in trouble with you teachers. Well, unless they like the MCU, and then you can use the vid as an excuse!

[@bryh555]

Tbh i don't subscribe to the "the kid in iron man 2 was peter parker" retcon it just feels like some fan was probably like "I have a theory that the kid in IM2 is Peter!" And marvel was just like "sure why not" it doesn't play into literally anything in any movie after IM2. Peter doesn't bring up when Tony literally saved his life when he meets Tony in Civil War, he doesn't bring it up when he "interns" for Tony in Homecoming, he doesn't bring it up at any point in Infinity War or Endgame or anything after. If it happened to Peter, it doesn't seem like he remembers it

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great points! Those are some very good reasons that the retcon makes no sense. I also never felt he was the right age either. It's a fun idea, but an unnecessary retcon. Excellent commentary! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@Surfboarder4]

Peter's age in Iron Man 2 does work, no? IM2 in 2011, so Peter would be 9yo, right? He's not a particularly tall person so I think it works fine.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it's not terribly far off. I think Peter's birthday in the MCU is August 10th of 2001 and IM 2 is in May/June of 2011, so he was indeed 9. So he seems like he would be abit bigger, but it's not impossible to imagine he would be that small.

[@alglimited8665]

@@AbitofEverything4U hm do you consider the stark expo 2010 thing a retcon since iron man 2 takes place in 2011?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@alglimited8665 Yeah, I suspect it is a retcon and that the retcon in this case is due to The Avengers making it seem like there is a year or less gap between Fury's Big Week and the movie which moved Fury's Big Week from 2010 to 2011. Marvel retconned the timeline a few times before finally settling on things with Avengers in 2012.

[@SIZModig]

While Korg has two dads he could still be referring to one of them as his "mum", considering that other species/races need a male and a female, Korgs still need two people, so it's a close enough analogy I feel to call one of them "mum". You could say he might also be cautious about telling people he has two parents of the same gender (whether all Korgs are male or not) given prejudice prevalent among other races (humans at least), so he says he has a mother until he knows he can trust Thor not to be a bigot.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting theories. I would agree that those are possible explanations. I personally suspect Taika just forget that small detail from Ragnarok and didn't realize he was changing Korg's parents in L&T, but you definitely get major points for finding a creative way to make it not a retcon. Nicely done! Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@trillkage70]

It seems some of these aren’t necessarily retcons but more so new information coming out

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I would have thought the same thing until I read the definition of retcon. I'm actually surprised it's a real word, tbh. But the definition is "a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency". So any new plot development that makes us look differently at what we already had been told is a retcon. That's why not all retcons are bad. Many are just shocking turns that make us think about all we knew up to that point in a new light. Anyway, thanks so much for watching the video and sharing your feedback. I love to hear from other MCU fans. Really appreciate it!

[@trillkage70]

@@AbitofEverything4U yeah man still a great video. I’ve actually been watching a lot of your content. You make the type that nobody else makes. Thank you!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@trillkage70 Thanks! I appreciate that. Trying to keep things interesting as there is so much cool stuff in the MCU that doesn't get as much attention.

[@cg_109]

I had no idea stark came to recruit abomination instead of hulk

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the Retcon of that scene is pretty wild...and pretty hilarious as well!

[@Fourmath]

One Shots and Agents of Shield aren't canon

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Agents of Shield was definitely canon when it was release as Feige confirmed that initially. However, I tend to agree with you that AoS isn't canon any longer, which is why I mentioned that in the video. Some people argue it is still canon, but I think you are right that it isn't. However, I'm not so sure I agree on the One Shots. Those were included as canon when released and are now part of the official timeline in Disney+. What leads you to believe they aren't canon? In fact, All Hail the King directly ties into Shang Chi. Trevor is captured by the 10 rings in that One Shot and delivered to the Mandarin. Let me know your thoughts on that. And thanks so much for watching and adding your comments. I really enjoy the dialogue and learn something each time someone comments.

[@IcyDiamond]

Question: Are The Ten Rings that kidnap Tony in Iron Man 1 part of Killian’s Ten Rings or Wenwu’s Ten Rings?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question. Shang Chi's movie reveals that Killian was taking the 10 rings name for himself as Wenwu mentions that situation with frustration, but I don't recall it if stated which 10 rings was operating in Iron Man (i.e. Wenwu or Killian). The 10 rings is also depicted in Ant Man as one of the potential buyers for Darrin Cross' tech. My suspicion is that only Iron Man 3 is the fake Mandarin (Killian) and that Iron Man and Ant Man references to the 10 rings are part of Wenwu's organization, but I guess that's never been confirmed. What are your thoughts on it? Thanks for watching!

[@somegenericguy2909]

Likely a smaller group continuing Wenwu's Ten Rings as at the time of the first Iron Man, he was coming out of retirement and the Ten Rings was starting to slowly rise once more. At least that's what I think, maybe I'm wrong but I'm like 75% sure I'm right

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that sounds about right to me. Good theory!

[@IcyDiamond]

@@AbitofEverything4U I feel it’d make story sense if Killian’s Ten Rings were the ones to kidnap Tony, since for one, it’d perfectly set up him finally defeating that group in Iron Man 3 to be satisfying, two, Killian is obsessed with Tony so him kidnapping and torturing him to make weapons feels logical, three, The Ten Rings in Iron Man 1 are set up in Afghanistan where Killian implies The Mandarin/Trevor is from or at least resides in, and four, The Ten Rings was dormant for many years due to Wenwu reforming, therefore, it’d probably take him a while to fully rebuild The Ten Rings as the international terrorist organization it once was And as for Ant-Man’s Ten Rings cameo, I’m going to assume that was Wenwu’s sector, since Killian’s sector seemed to be mostly dead by the end of Iron Man 3

[@somegenericguy2909]

@@AbitofEverything4U thanks :D And great video btw, but also I'd count the whole K.E.V.I.N. thing from She-Hulk as a retcon since though we know about Kevin Fiege in real life, the fact that he technically exists slightly outside of the MCU means that it is new information that kind of changes everything in a way

[@jakeproven256]

A bit of everything: "The word retcon is in the dictionary." Me: "beautiful!" 😃

[@AbitofEverything4U]

ikr? I cracked up as I truly thought it was a comic nerd word. And being a comic nerd, I would have been okay with that. But no, turns out it's a legit word. Love it!

[@josiahogilvie1736]

To be fair coulson did die, he was just brought back

[@AbitofEverything4U]

True. I think the reason it falls into a retcon is Fury heavily implied that Coulson was dead in Avengers and didn't mention any attempt to send him to Tahiti. But of course he did that to make the Avengers rally together. So I definitely see your point. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!

[@dracomaster4]

So I may be alone in this, and I don't know how valued my opinion will be, but I have a love/hate relationship with the term 'retcon'. Based on your definition from the dictionary I can see that I'm in the wrong, however when I first learned about it, retcon, short for RETroactive CONtinuity, was when something was completely contradictory, such as Korg having a mum and her boyfriend, and then in Thor L&T, having two dads. That to me was a true retcon. Something as far as Wanda always having her powers, but the mind stone grew them exponentially, I always considered that good writing. We can't expect someone to lay out everything from the beginning, and just because we're told something, doesn't mean that the person that told us is reliable or knows the whole truth. That's like me meeting a new friend and they tell me their married. Then, later on, I find out it's their second marriage, and they were married to someone else before. If this was in a movie, people would call it a retcon, but in real life, it's always been there, I just wasn't aware of it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Perfectly stated! I had the same initial impression of the word as you did. I was honestly very surprised to learn it was a much more expansive word and so it then made alot more sense to me why it was used the way it was. With that bigger understanding of the word, this video took on new meaning for me. Personally, I think we do need a different word for truly rewriting something and changing it from how it was before vs. just learning something new we weren't privy to originally. Those are completely different situations. But since the word does seem to be used for both situations, I therefore found the research for the video to be very interesting. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!

[@Gapy66]

The shield could actually be a prototype for the real one coulson even new what it was

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting theory! Love it!

[@bluebellsforever]

The only retcons that actually contradict stuff are coulson naming shield and korg having 2 dads and even THOSE can make sense if you squint your eyes a little. Everything else is just establishing new information wich how a story is written. You aren't supposed to give the viewer every detail immediately !

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I think people complain about retcons waaaaaay too much. Most of these are just new info. ofc, the definition of retcon does involve a story that gives us new info about the past. So in that regard, they are all retcons.

[@bluebellsforever]

​@@AbitofEverything4Ualso fury losing his eye to a cat. That's just really stupid and not even that funny.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

100% agree!

[@bluebellsforever]

​@@AbitofEverything4UPeter was born in 2001 so he would only be 9 in iron man 2 which is in 2010. That works man, idk what you were worried about.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, I wasn’t the only one that was worried… A lot of us thought he was pretty small for a nine-year-old. But it’s not a big deal.

[@maeborowski3554]

Hello, I was just wondering, have you got the chance to watch the newest Black Panther movie? I won't spoil or anything, but, while it's a great movie, I have a bit of difficulty picturing when it takes place in the timeline XD

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh my, is it ever tricky and I'm not 100% certain there is definitive answer. I have a video upload w/i the hour about it. Let me know what you think!

[@CASSIOPEIAMASHUPS]

Aren't some of these just plot developments as opposed to retcons?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I would have thought the same thing until I read the definition of retcon. I'm actually surprised it's a real word, tbh. But the definition is "a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency". So any new plot development that makes us look differently at what we already had been told is a retcon. That's why not all retcons are bad. Many are just shocking turns that make us think about all we knew up to that point in a new light. Anyway, thanks so much for watching the video and sharing your feedback. I love to hear from other MCU fans. Really appreciate it!

[@CASSIOPEIAMASHUPS]

@@AbitofEverything4U That makes sense! Thank you for the response! I've become somewhat obsessed with your channel recently and have binge watching all morning!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@@CASSIOPEIAMASHUPS Aw, you are too kind. Hope you enjoy watching. I've had alot of fun making the videos. I love the MCU as there are so many interesting things to talk about!

[@prof.evilpictures8696]

Peter Parker would be 10 in 2011, that kid looks about 10

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it could work. I felt like the kid was more like 7 or 8, but then I was pretty short when I was 10, so it's all good. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@jrsr-cd8kx]

is it true that tony stark originally was unable to be in civil war because if his contract?

[@jpyanity443]

His contract was mostly movie to movie. So yes technically his contract didn’t include Civil War at first, but that’s because right after Age of Ultron, his contract only included one more Avengers movie. They had to renegotiate for Civil War, Spider-Man, and when they decided to split Avengers 3 into two movies

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Looks like @JP Yanity beat me to the punch and answered perfectly. I can't imagine how much they had to pay him for those extra movies, but he was worth every penny.

[@jaym8988]

Colson died and was brought back to life.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point...I wonder if I should look at the pre-Disney+ shows for retcons as well. I admit that I am unsure if Agents of SHIELD is still canon to 616 (it definitely was canon when it was first released). But you are definitely right that it is a big retcon to add to the list if I include AoS into the mix. I personally loved that show, so I would really like Marvel to give us an official answer on it. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!

[@constrictedconstitution6451]

Korg could've been adopted by another alien race. A Step-mum.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

True dat. That is a good way to solve it. I suspect that it was still a mistake on the part of the writers, but I like your explanation. Thanks so much for watching and adding your thoughts. I really appreciate it!

[@thatoneguy2711]

A bunch of these aren’t what I consider retcons they’re literally just story progression. Like the way Caps parents died isn’t a retcon it’s a plot twist, but saying the little boy in iron man 2 is Peter is what I would consider to be a retcon.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I definitely hear what you are saying and I thought the same until I read the definition of retcon. Here it is: "(in a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency." That's from the Oxford dictionary and it does include examples like the way Tony's parents died. So retcons aren't all bad, even though the term is thrown around alot in a negative fashion. Let me know what you think. And thanks for watching and commenting. I really appreciate it!

[@Peved]

That Loki one is bullshit and doesn't count since it hasn't been revealed in a movie/show/one shot. Also...I loathe how Fury lost his eye in Captain Retcon

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yes, I definitely agree the Loki retcon is not canon to the movies, but it is still on the official Marvel bio for Loki. The only reason I mention it is that it perfectly explains why Loki's personality changed so much. If you look at how he acted in Thor (annoying, petty, selfish) vs. Avengers (evil, sweating like a madman, violently ripping out that dude's eye to get access to the vault and smiling while doing it, wantonly killing New Yorkers) vs. Thor: The Dark World (frustrated, angry, willing to help Thor if it meant revenge for Frigga's death), then it makes alot of sense that the mind stone controlled him in Avengres. He was unhinged and evil in The Avengers, while he was just selfish and treacherous in Thor and Thor 2. So I agree, it's not canon, but it is a really cool idea. And yeah, I absolutely hate the lost eye retcon for Fury. Ugh! Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I really appreciate it!

[@SiIIy_]

I mean, Peter would’ve been 8 In iron man 2 so I guess it could make sense

[@AbitofEverything4U]

True...so it could have worked out age wise. I think it's a cool retcon, so I'm down with it. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@hungnguyenquang7247]

What about far from home turn out Quentin Beck created barf

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Excellent addition to the list! Nicely done. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@valysheev]

I'm gonna need you to get more subs bro this shit on point. Retconed my comment

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! Just pluggin' away one vid at a time!

[@valysheev]

@@AbitofEverything4U just thanks for being real

[@captainjakemerica4579]

Poorly executed retcons in Captain Marvel no way

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the Captain Marvel retcons are either a love it or hate it situation for sure.

[@captainjakemerica4579]

@@AbitofEverything4U what was so poorly executed I want to hear why you say that?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well, I'm not a hater, so I am fine with the retcons, but I do feel that it was a surprise to learn it was a cat that scratched him instead of something more significant. Also, it doesn't line up real well from a timing standpoint with the picture Pierce shows of Fury in Winter Solider as fury isn't wearing the patch and yet it happens in the timeline after Captain Marvel. As for the Avengers Initiative, that one I'm definitely fine with, but it unfortunately gave haters a chance to complain that Marvel was retconning the Avengers concept to be about Carol Danvers. Oh well, haters gonna hate no matter what.

[@crazy_acid77]

A lot of these aren't retcons, just plain old new information that doesn't reframe or change anything.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I do agree and you are really getting to my point at the beginning of the video. Everything I included has been commonly labeled a retcon over the years, mainly due to it being new info we didn't know. And it is true that the Oxford definition of retcon does include that type of new information. But the fact that retcon is used negatively so often makes it seem like all retcons are bad. So we either need to stop using the word retcon for situations that simply add new backstory, or we need to distinguish between "good" retcons and "bad" retcons. Thoughts? Thanks so much for watching!

[@SeanWheeler100]

The retcon about Korg not having a Mom but has two Dads, that must be some political agenda going on.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

You do have to wonder. Definitely not very good attention to detail by the writers in any case.

[@peterfrank3365]

The retcon of the Avengers name is terrible. The origin of the name was not given because it's irrelevant; it carried no particular meaning. By the end of 2012's 'The Avengers', the meaning was fulfilled by the team, on the basis of Fury's "There was an idea..." speech. With the retcon, the meaning changed; it went from the idea to Danvers alone. Frankly, the entirety of Captain Marvel was a terrible retcon. I've written a fanfic re-write on it and smoothen some of its retcons, but I still couldn't get around the fact that introducing the character at that point in the Saga was way too late. Marvel knew this and overcompensated it by making her overly important, and the Avengers less important. Without the retcons, 'Captain Marvel' would just be another forgettable entry to the franchise. But with them, it got me feeling silly of being invested in the first place. This is the second time I'm here delivering scathing critique for Captain Marvel. As how it soured the MCU for me, I hope you'd excuse me. To not make this post entirely negative, I will say the HYDRA infiltrating SHIELD retcon is a favorite of mine. It alludes to actual history and compliments the movie's theme.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

No apology necessary. I'm sure different aspects of Captain Marvel bothered people in different ways, but I'm with you that my biggest beef was the unnecessary retcons. That was a bad call by Marvel. Oh, and yes, I love the Hydra retcon. It was fantastic and worked perfectly with the overall story and history, as you mention. Thanks for watching and adding your thoughts. Really appreciate it!