BIGGEST PAR 4 MISTAKES YOU ALL MAKE

[@mikemaupin8364]

Lower my scores. Just gotta say thanks for all the vids. Must say your the most down to earth, realistic, blunt guy on KZbin when it comes to testing products and ideas and by far the most educational. Thanks again.

[@paulwebb7914]

Another honest, common sense video, and another that's going on my "watch regularly" list to remind me what I should be thinking about from tee to green. 12 H/C - Last 50 rounds - par 3 @ 3.77, Par 4 @ 4.81, par 5 @ 5.67.

[@Cburt123]

Really, really, really, really love this video Mark. So many people generalize your comments and this is such a great clarifying video. Situational, situational, situational. I know for me I am ALWAYS overly cautious, rarely ever past the pin. I know this sounds silly, but your video about being past the pin/back of the green was freeing.

[@tylerlove2052]

LOWER MY SCORES. Trying to figure out those holes that always cause problems helped a lot last year when I had a membership at one course. Great advice Mark!

[@eamonnc9789]

Lower My Scores Such a good video, Ive found myself plateau at 12h/cap this year a and I make the same stupid mistakes every week. So i’ve started to try and get a practice round in where I hit driver, hybrid, long iron off all par 4s and then finish out the hole and keep track of the scores. Definitely helped my course management on when to attack & defend. It’s also helped me work out a yardage I’m comfortable with to hit the green, so I can try to play a shot to that yardage from either the tee or as a layup. Shot Scope is the next purchase!!

[@xenstanhope6014]

Love this video Mark, very helpful. I think many players think they understand course management but they do not. Keep up the good work. Brilliant.

[@chrislewis7]

“LOWER MY SCORES” My average scores recently are: Par 3: 3.4, Par 4: 5.4, Par 5: 5.9. The reason lots of 18ish handicappers average 5.2 or more on par 4s is that we only drive the ball as far as you hit your hybrid. Therefore a good drive still leaves us 170 yards in and often from the rough or worse. We then have 170 in. If the green is open we go for it if not, water or bunker in front we are laying up. We are probably on the green 10%, greenside bunker 10%, chipping 30% and 50% pitching from 50 to 100 yards. I'd love to be able to club down and hit it 200 yard and straight. Par 3s and par 5s we are on the green 30% in regulation, greenside bunker 10%, chipping 40% and 20% pitching. Much easier to score. There are higher handicap players who can hit the ball far but most of us max out at 220 yards off the tee and that is the biggest reason we are the handicaps we are.

[@patricktraynor7628]

Chris Lewis I’m now 68 yrs. old and my drives are not going as far as in the past. I have forgotten my ego, and have moved up to the next tee off. Bobs your uncle. My approach to greens are now shorter.

[@chrislewis7]

@@patricktraynor7628 I play society golf over here in Thailand and so I don't often have choice of tees. One society using World Handicap System does and I always take the forward tee if its on offer, it makes the round so much more enjoyable.

[@philosophactory]

"LOWER MY SCORES". I love the idea of lowering your score via good decision making and knowing your strengths and weaknesses. Can't wait to get out and try what I've gleaned the last month or so (we are still in total lockdown). Thanks Mark.

[@andrewcargill1292]

Lower My Scores I’m 12 handicap. Shot scope data from this season par 4 - 4.9av. Seems the key is knowing your patterns and your misses with a particular club - and managing it!

[@randymahony8157]

Love these game strategy videos. I learn so much. Thanks. MORE PLEASE !

[@matthewcroad7218]

Great video Mark. Observing and learning your patterns is so important. Top info mate

[@ianburton9223]

It seems obvious now I've heard Mark say that comparing the same hole for several rounds has some opportunities to offer. I've been comparing my shotscope data for a given round with my averages for that particular course. I have not thought about comparing the same hole over many rounds. Now I've done this there's a clear pattern of where I loose more shots on some holes and almost always the same holes and with the same poor judgement or poor shot execution. I now have 7 holes on my club course where I need to change my strategy. Thank you Mark for this particular remark.

[@autolama]

“LOWER MY SCORES” I play off 5.2 and my arcoss data is currently sitting at: Par 3’s - 3.2 Par 4’s - 4.4 Par 5’s - 4.9 Really loving the new strokes gained feature they’ve added into it, so thank you for highlighting that in a recent video. My 2 way miss isn’t helping with my accuracy off the tee, but thank you for the little swing help you gave on facebook the other day. Would love to come down for a day to get a golf tune up in the winter ahead of the new season. I feel I would learn a lot from you both! Keep up the great work.

[@michaellepatourel2148]

Hello Mark By far the video I have seen in a long time.....amazing, can't wait to see par 5 video come out

[@lakejindsay]

Preach. Lower My Scores - The couple times I have managed to win my club championship, I made very few birdies, but only made one double or higher. It's always about "keeping it in play" and eliminating blow up holes.

[@lysajane3643]

Yes. Want to see same topic on par 5’s but par 4’s is the the value for this topic. Good video!

[@robinzyap]

"Lower my scores", 10mths into my golf journey knowing (roughly) my distances with each club, understanding my shot shape (mostly fades with longer clubs), knowing my miss (left pull with irons) has helped me lower my scores from 120's to high 90's. Plus bonus of not losing 8-10 balls a round gives me great satisfaction.

[@liamstark5076]

Sounds like my journey

[@domclune4216]

LOWER MY SCORES Hi Mark my handicap at the moment is 15. I average 3.63 on par 3's,5.29 on par 4's and 6.33 on par 5's. Cheers Dom keep up the great work!!!!

[@richardchester2148]

LOWER MY SCORES. Working on club selection and course management with my coach at the minute. Some good ideas in this video. Driver gets me into trouble on the first hole at my course with my shot shape so I take 3 wood with better results. 4 iron is most used club off the tee at the minute, arguably a bit defensive but driver, 3 wood and 19 hybrid would be too much. Shotscope providing interesting data! 4.3 on par 3’s, 4.5 on par 4’s and 6.5 on two tricky par 5’s, the second of which forces a 4 iron off the tea as O/B right and serious trouble left...

[@philcampbell6896]

Mark- one of my all time favorite videos that you have done! ShotScope data (I have it too) is very useful. Your video helped me better apply the data that I read on my game. 3=3.74; 4=4.92; 5=5.99 for the 2020 season. 12 HC index. Can have a great round but have the 2-4 blow up DB and TB holes a round. Saturday was a 41-43=84 but I had a TB and DB on 8&9. Obviously I had a course Mgmt issue on #8! Then didn’t calculate enough wind on #9 for a DB. Simple things creep the score up! Thanks for your videos! Congrats to Matt for the “Ace”! @CoachLockey.

[@p1942-c9c]

Great video Mark. Made me think alot about my own course. Keep them coming

[@andrewjgordon1372]

Great vlog Mark, par 4s under 400 yards on my old course I used to go with driver getting down as far as I could knowing I was pretty solid with 7 8 9 irons even out of the semi or light rough I could go on a run of pars, where I struggled was going in with wedge or gap wedge where I would blast way on in the air and end up in the front bunkers as you said happens, longer par 4 of 430 or above I average 5 to 5.25 looking back at my cards, also funnily enough if I went for the protection shot like clubbing back I used to put myself in so much trouble which left me scratching my head as to why...lol Thanks again..

[@gordonmcshannock4610]

" lower my scores " i am only now really looking at course management and trying to see my shot and it is working out for me. I'm recognising my typical shot and not trying to force a shot I can't or don't usually play. I would love to have youre consistency. Very interesting video.

[@michaelreeves3161]

LOWER MY SCORES Loving this video Im currently playing off 9 and my average scores per hole are: Par 3's - 3.5 Par 4's - 4.6 Par 5's - 5.5 My down fall is missing greens short just like you said but make up for it on putting, My GIR is only 36.4% where as my FIR is 64.4% and im averaging 1.7 on putts Keep up the great content

[@julianvine988]

Lowe my scores! Enjoyed your vid, I've been mucjlking about with different clubs off different tees to try and leave a full shot on shorter par 4s where I used to just blast driver and leave a fiddly three quarter wedge...might change back for winter though when the ball doesn't fly as far..

[@barrysmale]

"Lower my scores". Really useful Mark. As I feel a bit more secure in my swing and strike it makes sense to start looking at my game and course management.

[@neilralph5697]

Great video Mark . Makes perfect sense now to implement it .

[@coatesgary85]

Great video bruh. Par 3 4.0, par 4 4.9, par 5 6.3, avg putts 1.9, handicap +18.

[@okimike5963]

Mid HCP (12.0), playing about 4 years, practicing about 2 years. Tracking with TheGrint. Strangely, I often play the lower index par 4s better than the “easy” ones. I think I’m a little less aggressive and more disciplined (taking time, preshot routine) on the harder holes. Interesting. Will see if I can bring the focus out more consistently.

[@dfg_2]

Great video! More like this please. 10 hdcp, 4.8 on par 4s, 3.8 par 3s, 5.6 par 5s. I have blow up holes but I'm not sure they are the same holes on a particular course. I rotate around 8-10 different courses playing one a week.Would be interesting to find out if it is a certain shape or distance hole that is causing problems. Been using GameGolf for 5 years. Just got Arccos, we'll see if even more in depth stats can "Lower my scores".

[@robgreener6729]

LOWER MY SCORES!! using Shotscope V3 to track my rounds it's telling me I'm averaging 4.8 for the par 4s. Thanks for the great vid Mark, food for thought 👍

[@tonywestwell]

"Lower My Scores" last five rounds par 3 = 4.0, par 4 = 5.2, par 5 = 6.1 hcp = 17. I tend to play different courses to my own, as its a 9 hole course and very busy. Great video Mark, more on this if you please.

[@papab3272]

"Reading the course" not just playing it. Brilliant! Love that term Mark and the images it brings. I'll definitely be using that approach from now on.

[@shoogleh]

LOWER MY SCORES. Some good advice there that I've actually been using the last couple of months on a couple of holes I was wracking up 6s and 7s on all of a sudden. Gone from a smashed 5 iron/hybrid drawing into the crap to a 50 percent driver which goes poker straight and keeps me in with a chance. Keep the videos coming boys, enjoying them 👍

[@micko2007]

"Lower My Scores" - 13 handicapper (just) Just got a new set of Cobra T-Rail Irons and already seeing the benefit Season up to now Par 3 - 3.89, Par 4 - 5.1 and Par 5 - 5.85. Definitely could do with improving on par 4's. I find my drive isn't very long but straight most of the time. Trying too hard to hit the green in regulation is causing my problem with double bogeys.

[@after2am150]

This what I have been waiting (patiently) for. Course management strategies.

[@RichardJones-hk6vs]

LOWER MY SCORES.... this makes so much sense. Just going to go through my shot scope data again and see where my bad misses are 🏌🏼‍♂️👍🏼

[@stevec2435]

'LOWER MY SCORES' some great tips there cheers Mark 👍

[@andycurtis1261]

Love these ideas. Useful regardless of handicap or ability. I’d love to see a par 3/5 version.

[@janmnielsen3280]

Right on the numbers. I play to 2.6 and last 10 rounds I avg 4.4 on par 4s

[@larrylarry9278]

I wish I could hit 5 wood and 22 degree hybrid more consistent but have struggled with them all year . many times I have needed them but screw up the shot when I use them so I drag out my longest iron ,a5 which I hit well but I END UP SHORT AND ONE EXTRA SHOT . I try to use your idea when I am close to the out of bounds and always hit left ,sometimes I screw up and still hit it out of bounds . Have really struggle with my swing all year.

[@darrenp1711]

Just starting playing again after 20 years. Joined a club and had my first lesson today, these videos are really helpful. Thank you.

[@guybrown1865]

Lower my scores, I have been working on Course management and club management for awhile now and it is slowly starting to help.

[@jonstacey7416]

I’m starting to think again about my shot shape. For example I have 2 3 woods in my bag, my “long 3 wood” I have only a miss left therefor trouble down the right I go to that club. Straight to a right fairway miss I’m smashing driver.

[@dh9517]

I was very much take a 3 Wood / Long Iron off the tee trying to keep it on the fairway. Started going Driver at almost every hole and going for distance over accuracy. Cut from 10 > 8 in 3 rounds so it’s working. Get the ball as far up the hole as you can 👍🏻 Lower My Scores 😎

[@CapoSilverback]

I think I play as you suggest as a15 Hcp I think players like me and others add strokes from poor contact whilst trying to play as you suggest. Which add that bogie in play. When I play well I’m chipping from off the green close and making some of those one putts. Just my game I guess?? Thanks love your videos. Marty in sunny California

[@richardbyrnes8609]

I have a tendency to repeat the some poor tee shots on the same holes .. I feel unable to ignore the direction the tee box is aiming you .. and have now taken to playing towards a much closer target ( mark in the grass a few feet away ) it helps sometimes

[@b.stone01]

“LOWER MY SCORES” The strategy you’ve suggested here is what got me from a 20hcp to an 11.2hcp. Biggest issue is GER on longer par 4’s due to having to hit longer irons or hybrids into the green. I rarely 3 putt and short game is decent but that 150 plus approach shot kills me because I don’t have the distance to hit even a 6 iron consistently that far. If I could get 20 more yards of carry (in the fairway) on my Driver or 3 wood, it would be a game changer or learn how to hit the irons better 😉.

[@julia-6195]

"Lower My Scores" ... I have not idea what my averages are because I don't have an app. I used to use Game Golf but it died on me. My tendency is to get bogey or par on par 4s. If I get a birdie, it'll be on a par 4. Sometimes I'll duff my 2nd shot or duff a bunker shot and end up with a DB. So there you have it. My strategy is: 1) Go for the greatest distance I can keep the ball in play off the tee on a given day - short rough for me is fine. I hate trees; 2) go for the center of the green or away from the trouble on approach. 3) Putting: I do a lot of lag putting. There's one par 4 that due to a dog leg requires a 190 yd second shot. I used to try to make it and it always ended up as a blow up hole. I now play the hole like a par 5 and get bogeys. I hit an 8i for my second shot and pitch on with a 54 wedge. Take the bogey stress free and move on.

[@markgreenhow2658]

"Lower my scores" enjoying the course management vids. 10 hcp 3.75 par 3, 4.87 par 4 and 5.31 par 5. Seems easier to gain shots with management than swing changes 👍 Glad you realised nothing feels like a Srixon iron. Also love to discuss why hybrids are evil.

[@francisbartholomew]

LOWER MY SCORES! So true and something I’ve thought about but always retrospectively. Gotta play and bank data more often to convince myself of the reality!

[@chetchilders3041]

Great video on how to "Lower My Scores" on the course! Looking forward to a video on par 5's. 22 hdcp, 5.5 on par 4's. Couple of blowup holes on par 4's and I'm toasted.

[@samchisholm2088]

More of these strategy/playing lesson videos, please. Recoveries, Strokes gained analysis etc....

[@1ekky67]

“LOWER MY SCORES” Great video. Made me think about my own approach. I tend to do some of the selection almost automatically but there are some holes where I always seem to struggle due to the layout (bunkers, ditches, trees etc). I need to look more carefully on those to optimise my chances. Got to have patience when changing the approach though as I know it won’t work every time but hopefully should be effective over multiple rounds in terms of lowering score.

[@jamespatchett9152]

Excellent content Mark. Love the technical insight and the overall look of these videos. Much more informative than some of the other KZbinrs brah

[@devbenson7747]

I dont collect data as such but lately i have been using tactics in my rounds like you say and gone down by 2 stokes on my handicap all because im now not just taking my driver for the sake of it even going down as low as a 7 iron off the tee on a par 4 as i know my ball.placement will be bang on great video mark Par 5 next please 👍

[@kensb2]

"Lower my scores". I'm a 19-20 handicap range, limited Shotscope data says I'm averaging 3.92, 5.21 and 6.5 respectively this season. I do make the occasional birdie, which I would think helps offset the doubles a bit.

[@ryanomillar]

LOWER MY SCORES. Love this approach.

[@riancreamer6904]

I'm a 7 hcp and par 4 avg for 2020 is 4.4 so that data looks pretty reliable, to me anyways. Funnily enough, it was seeing that my avg was higher for 4s than for the other pars that really made me focus on them to help get my scores down. Now to work on the par 3s ...

[@mikedritto9305]

Great Vid Mark! "getting it in play" A great example of this was Bryson at the Us Open.

[@robjelley1138]

Love this type of content, certainly have worked on my recovery shots, liking the detail look at each hole and where the shots are dropped something I will be doing more of to get those scores down. Think I’m slightly over the averages on par 4’s for my handicap but under on the 5’s and 3’s. Lower my scores

[@chriswarrack1293]

Yes do par 5s as well. Thanks Mark for the great content as always.

[@jcar14]

Been a fan of your channel for years, but this might be my favorite vid of yours. Great insights, easy to put in play on course straight away. Great stuff. (Also absolutely would love to see the Par 5 version)

[@lambrettabad]

I love my 7 iron so always try and leave myself 150-160 in on par 4s sometimes that might mean hitting nearly the same off the tee on a + 300 yd hole.

[@jonathanstoner677]

Lower my scores, I hit the par 3's at 3.96, par 4's at 5.02 par 5's at 5.58 and I'm a 13 . For the secret golfer, on the 6th hole, he hit his drive 50 yards further than the previous holes where he scored worse. Just thinking that distance had just as much to do as his shot as direction for getting a lower score.

[@maxcaysey2844]

My teeshot, and subsequently how I play the hole, depends on three factors: 1) length of hole, 2) risk off the tee (OB/water/bunkers/ heavy rough), 3) overall conditions (wind, weather, turf conditions (dry vs wet)) of the course/day. I try to weigh thise things against how my game is that particular day. I'm usually not super agressive of the tee, and well very often hang back trying to hit tee with a long iron or a fairway wood. Thats beacuse as a lot of people, the driver is not a great scoring club for me, and the risk/reward ratio with the driver is usually not great. But I try to get within a 5 iron on my tee shot as a rule of thumb on par 4s.

[@Adrian-yv8sy]

play off 8 - this year I've averaged 3.37 on 3's, 4.58 on 4's and 5.38 on 5's - definitely room to improve on 4's and 5's - not too upset about 3's- ''Lower my scores''

[@aarongrantham5480]

LOWER MY SCORE great video, very helpful

[@michaelmccreery8192]

Quality vlog great and informative information my biggest problem is my ego must try and do the sensible thing in the future

[@MikeDoba]

As an 8 HDCP I avg 3.6, 4.8, 5.5 over 125 rounds. If I could improve on top 1 I know my game would be solid. Generally good driving days result in good scores.

[@Automation_Control_Tuning]

Par 3 .. 3.6, par 4..4.8 par 5 5.7. Last 8 rounds with Arccos. Work in progress, not easy on a half season!

[@danielmason2390]

Lower my scores. Shot scope watch is massive when understanding where you go wrong, something I feel everyone needs who is really wanting to improve.

[@scottbutterly8997]

'Lower my scores' Fantastic video .75% of par 4s on my course, 2nd shot its a 3 wood for me .and 50 percent of them i'm still short of green . driver average 180 ,3 wood 170 average

[@jaybeemaestro7791]

"LOWER MY SCORES". Excellent video Mark. So much helpful information and advice crammed into that video. I have started tracking stats via shot scope but im also going to look at the Mark Broadie app so I can see where I have to improve (the short answer is everything). Please keep it coming, excellent stuff.

[@annslattery9999]

Yes please par 5 as well. Great video.

[@shanehughes3349]

Hey Mark, 12 Handicap and here are my shot scope scoring stats Par 3 avg Score = 3.79 Par 4 avg Score = 4.62 Par 5 avg Score = 5.44

[@Hoggar10]

"LOWER MY SCORES" Loving this! I have a couple of trouble holes that some careful consideration and data may help not only identify, but 'solve' too!

[@floridasaltlife]

I am not this advanced yet, making 6/7 mostly but I am analytical so I will start to employ it.

[@andizzle195]

What is the best app or site to use to track handicaps? Also, what was that website you used to show the information at the end? What did you use to attain that information as well?

[@andrewroberts4736]

LOWER MY SCORES Thanks so much Mark. Lots to think about. I'm good at this management on my course but that's just repetition and practice. I'm not so good playing away. I'm kidding myself and I need to think more. Lower scores make it more fun no matter what anyone says. I'm off 19 and am 50 years old. Par 4 average 5.4 playing away. Not good.

[@peteraloisio3533]

Lower My Scores. Having a device like Shot Scope has been an eye opening experience as I can now see where I have been improving and where I need to improve. Playing off 21 my par 4 stat for the season (logged 8 full rounds and 4 half rounds since getting the watch) is sitting on 5.31. Whereas my par 5 stats are 5.83 for the season. It might seem boring, but a full course vlog with your secret student would be great to see advice in situations. They can wear a mask and have their voice disguised. You could almost have a competition with a series of them and call it the "The Masked Golfer", just saying...

[@grahamdunn3136]

Yes please do par 5 Got the 1st hole at Orsett Essex par 5 always hit a good drive but fuck up second shot either in the short right hand bunker with an iron or a 3/5 wood into cross bunkers or a block or pull into gorse 😪every week

[@Tony-nw2he]

Yet again excellent advice ⛳️

[@davehurley26]

Par 5s and par 3s please love these videos great knowledge to learn

[@PetSKi67]

Up here in the North of Europe missing short is smart play, yet the pattern for amateurs is to miss short. On most courses the back of the green is if not totally unplayable, but really tough, cause both maintenancewise but also by the layout. Most greens are sloping towards the fairway, so chipping a short miss in instead of trying to lob it over a bump from heavy rough or from the trees and coppice onto a downhilly green would be preferable.

[@jonahsuddath]

What program is used in the video to track all of those rounds??

[@anderslindberg8632]

LOWER MY SCORES 15 hcp and avg. score on 3s, 3.8, 4s 5.1 and 5s 5.6. useful tips. Is it shotshope he uses? Have Arccos but it have problems counting shots (by phone) :(

[@mexxtexx1]

What type of software do you use for analyzing? Is that from a launch monitor?

[@davidwharton6333]

“Lower my scores” , I was thinking about changing strategy on a hole I always hit my driver off the which ends up sliced right whatever I try. I then have a hedge to negotiate right over the fairway. Trying to decide between hybrid or getting my 3 wood back in bag for this hole.

[@andyedwards6124]

4.62 average this summer on par 4's, well under my 18 handicap but that is coming down pretty fast at the minute 3.86 on 3's 5.79 on 5's

[@paulwills3774]

I feel this is a new approach to coaching golfers, interesting new angle, when are we going to see coach offering this type of lesson?

[@imatatormigs3391]

Hello Mark, you have helped me be a more consistent player! Weirdly I am more likely to birdie a par 4 or par 5 than a par 3. I think most of that may be due to my lack of chipping and pitching. In addition to having good distance control with my longer irons. Love the vids, with love from the USA!

[@Jammin6796]

this is gonna be great advise for Eldest.. i wonder if Coach is getting nervous about the big 2021 match coming up..

[@karlstorr9817]

Just quality advice that actually helps as always 👌

[@jimbeaver27]

a long drive in the fairway is a sure start to a par or birdie on a par 4, but the second shot to the green is more important, it's just easier and more accurate from closer to the hole, then you got putting

[@rrward1]

LOWER MY SCORES. thinking about EVERY shot will improve scores without doubt.

[@Stavtok]

Love it Mark. Have been listening to some of Scott Fawcetts stuff and have heard similar. For me its not about how many birdies or pars I make, its about how many doubles I avoid. 👍👍

[@matthewmills1721]

Great video, very helpful. This guy has similar misses to me.

[@KeithHultman]

What is the app / website you are using at 11:00?

[@PetSKi67]

Intrestingly enough for the last 10 years of stats, as a 4-capper I shoot +.78 on par-4s. Handicap-index in the beginning of 2010 season was nine. Hence, for the stats of 2020 my number is +.65 over 85 rounds. The index is not exactly relevant, cause I have basically been obligated to maintain it in competitions only till 2020 and not yet have had the habit changed. I’d be around 9, had I entered all my scores to WHS. But on the other hand, I would’ve probably played more concentrated, each round, had I done that. I tend to play a lot of my practice rounds with different focus and giving no significant value for the score I play. Unfortunately the competition rounds cannot be separately evaluated on my software. That would give better understanding on the weaknesses and strengths of my game rather than overall performance stats over all collected rounds. ”Lower my scores!” Season end index: 4.5 (2020) Averages: Par-3 : 3.75 Par-4 : 4.65 Par-5 : 5.44 Missing the green has been really hard on the score, cause short game issues till lately. Score with Greens hit : -0.03 Score with Greens missed : +1.15.