Why Are Nations So Divided? Trump, Brexit, and the Struggle for Status | David Goodhart | Big Think

Why Are Nations So Divided? Trump, Brexit, and the Struggle for Status
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There's a schism between the idealism of globalization-i.e. that a more connected, educated, and mobile world is going to make everything better-and that of populism, which demands a more insular, community-orientated way of life and thus world at large. In 2016, both the U.K. and the U.S. made it overwhelmingly apparently that the schism had reached a boiling point: the UK voted to leave the European Union without, seemingly, any forethought as to what it would do to the economy. And America elected a reality TV star, Donald Trump, who advocated both sexual assault and violence against journalists. Good times! But David Goodhart says we should have seen this coming-that there has been a battle between "Anywhere" and "Somewhere" tribes for decades, and that the issues don't all come down to "elites" versus "non-educated". It moreover comes down to a political system that favors one over the other. So what can we do? Perhaps see the other side for who they really are: one of us, just with a different view on the world.David Goodhart's new book is The Road to Somewhere: The Populist Revolt and the Future of Politics.
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DAVID GOODHART:
David Goodhart is the founding editor of Prospect magazine and one of the most distinctive voices on modern British politics. He is currently head of the Demography, Immigration and Integration Unit at the think tank Policy Exchange, and was previously director of the centre-left think tank Demos. His last book The British Dream: Successes and Failures of Post-War Immigration (2013) was runner-up for the Orwell Prize in 2014 and was a finalist for ‘Political Book of the Year’ in the Paddy Power Political Book Awards. David voted remain in the EU referendum and has been a mainly inactive member of the Labour Party since he was a student.
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TRANSCRIPT:
DAVID GOODHART: My book is basically about the value divides in modern societies. I focused a lot on Britain, but I think a lot of it applies to America too. And I'm talking about not so much the kind of elite/non-elite divide-when we talk about elites we often mean I think the top three or five percent of the population-I’m talking about a much bigger divide between the educated and often mobile people, who I call the “Anywheres,” who tend to value openness, autonomy, fluidity-they can surf social change comfortably, they tend not to have strong group attachments. They are about 20/25 percent of the population, at least in Britain, possibly similar proportions in America.
Then on the other hand you have the “Somewheres”.
They tend to be about half the population. So a big proportion of the population but much less politically and culturally influential. They tend to be less well educated. They tend to be more rooted to places. They tend to value security and familiarity, and they find a social change harder to surf and they also tend to have much stronger group attachments.
There's also a very useful distinction that parallels my Anywhere/Somewhere distinction that comes from the American sociologist Talcott Parsons talking about human identity, he talks about people with achieved identities and ascribed identities.
We all have a mixture of the two, but Anywheres tend to have a higher proportion of their sense of themselves that comes from their own achievements. They passed exams when they were young, they have been to good universities, they have more or less successful professional careers. So their sense of themselves is more kind of portable, they can fit in anywhere.
Whereas if you're a Somewhere a bigger proportion of your identity is linked to particular places in groups and therefore is more easily discomfited when those groups or those places change as a result of immigration or just social change in general.
So I think what obviously a lot of contemporary analysis is focusing on, this the educated versus the less educated divide-I think what is distinctive about my look at things is stressing both how large the educated group is and how dominant in our political system it has become, but also focusing on two things that distinguish the so-called Anywheres from the Somewheres.
One is attitude, feelings about social change: on the one hand relatively positive, on the other hand pretty negative.
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[@eezaak21]

Actually, I'd say the issue is overwhelmingly economic. People get upset when they have no job and no future. Then you see a corresponding rise in radicalism and extremism. Current trends in globalisation benefit a rich few % while utterly shafting the majority of the population. So its no fucking wonder so many people are unhappy with globalisation. Money needs to be spread around. Not concentrated in a handful of greedy fists.

[@danielhamilton1130]

people have job but no future

[@ShawnRavenfire]

Here's my explanation of how Trump got elected: DNC: Would you like free candy or a punch in the face? Dem Voters: Free candy. DNC: Super delegates say punch in the face wins. RNC: Would you like a kick in the balls or a kick in the balls? Rep Voters: Um, kick in the balls? RNC: I knew you'd say that. Electoral College: Okay, you're two choices are punch in the face or kick in the balls. Voters: Sigh, I guess punch in the face. Electoral College: Kick in the balls it is!

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Votes on election night: Trump ahead on popular vote. Votes being weirdly counted during the next several weeks which was not spoken about and is very abnormal: a bunch of Hillary votes mysteriously working their way to the surface.

[@Maremons]

10/10. Completely accurate.

[@thepepper191]

Shawn Ravenfire 😂😂😂😂

[@MaestroTJS]

Another popular vote crybaby.

[@thepepper191]

Maestro_T Donal Trump once tweeted that the electoral college is a disaster for democracy. Does that make him a popular vote cry baby too?

[@Cameraqueen14]

Economic inequality is the reason this is happening now.

[@thepremiumpedant9062]

What's with the hate for this? He seems to have provided a good and relatively nuanced analysis of the situation.

[@wynnefox]

This guy is talking about the somewheres and anywhere and here I am... I real Nowhere man. Sitting in my nowhere land. Making all my nowhere plans. For nobody.

[@camiloteram]

a true poet

[@JoshJonesPhotovideo]

7:15 huh

[@WilliamBrayton]

I feel like the description is missing a third or fourth 'faction' as it were for those who are college drop outs or work in well paying technical jobs that are rooted in the local area. Both of these groups share traits with both Anywheres and Somewheres and thus not only put a wrench in his theory but also show that his push to create polar opposites actually helps feed into the same arguments that are already exist in 'left v right' arguments.

[@aviralgupta393]

This here is a good joke. He already stated in starting, that everyone has some percentages of both the groups. Don't disparage if you can't listen properly.

[@elchapojunior3091]

Both the far left and far right are becoming more and more popular, it's the 1930's all over again

[@WWLinkMasterX]

Last time, it took the wealth of the entire imperialist West and the manpower of the communist East to defeat Hitler. If fascism rises again, what will stop it?

[@gpheonix1]

WWLinkMasterX imperialist west? What England and France?

[@WWLinkMasterX]

And the wealth extracted from their colonies. And the sort of 'proto-imperialist' United States.

[@luckyyuri]

Some few individuals are playing a hell of a Monopoly game.

[@ianh1504]

ElChapo Junior thats the problem with a strict 2 party dichotomy

[@beanny39]

I'm not sure I agree with this. You say that Anywheres surf social change, but that implies that Anywheres are always in support of social change. But this clearly isn't the case as there are plenty of people who are Anywheres, and yet resist social changes they disagree with, one commonly being identity politics.

[@candacewilliams2308]

Not all somewheres are poor un-educated christian whites. If you are rich or educated because of privilege or a wealthy family, your wealth is portable but you are still a somewhere because change threatens your status

[@thegoodfight4874]

I agree with you totally.

[@hayamousa6512]

I wish one European can tell me how is he dealing with demographic change, they are (feeling less ) completely numbed

[@matterantimatter5179]

My take on his talk: Smart people rule.

[@patharvard]

I think this explanation is fairly conventional and simplistic. Jonathan Haidt offers a deeper, psychological explanation that underlies this more surface explanation of the dynamics of the change that is happening

[@georgemonsanto4018]

Why division prevails? Because people grow old and die, because leaders die. That's why it's so important for every ageing generation to prepare the younger ones on better systems moving towards a unified world. Thank you.

[@Greenkrieg]

I don't know how it is in the UK but in the US the "somewheres" are much more dominant in politics. They are a minority but their views are taking over politics right now. Most legislation for the last 10 years have been based on fear and hate for the other.

[@satellite3487]

There is this status problem because we are a generation that is raised to be all special. But we were thougt that to be special you need to be something like manager or etc. Then those children became managers etc and they saw others as the 2nd class citizens. We were made to forget that we were all special and first class no matter what we do.

[@scottmialltablet]

As an "Anywhere" myself, I'm not quite sure that society has "always" been divided between "Anywheres" and "Somewheres". I'd go so far as to say that it was nigh-impossible to be an "Anywhere" until there was reliable long-distance travel, and then it wasn't feasible to be an "Anywhere" until there was a way to convert one kind of currency into another (because it was just too damned expensive to try to carry enough money to survive to get to another place), and it wasn't possible for "Anywheres" to gain serious power until the invention of instant communications (particularly the telephone). While there were examples of "Anywheres" who had power, they were the extreme minority - most of the time the "Anywheres" were an extension of the "Somewheres" who financed them. (Like most of the exploration of the Americas - done by "Anywheres", but nearly all of them were mere extensions of "Somewheres" like Kings and Queens rather than being independent. Columbus couldn't finance a sea voyage on his own, for example - so while he was an "Anywhere", he couldn't do much without the backing of powerful "Somewheres".) It's only in the past century that the "Anywheres" have gained significant power. And I'd say that most people - *in their youth* - want to be "Anywheres" (for rebellious reasons, for curiosity reasons, for the need to create something of their own, to find something of their own, to strike out and say "This is who I am!", etc.), so there has been a serious rebalancing of the scales between "Anywheres" and "Somewheres". And there has also been a blending of the two (particularly on the radical "Anywhere" side) to say create an "Everywhere" where there is no difference between "Anywheres" and "Somewheres" (or more accurately, it removes any notion of "Somewheres" by making specific places, groups, etc. irrelevant.) And it's the "Everywheres" who have been most motivated to gain the power to make their "Everywhere". To me, this is where the biggest problem comes - the "Everywheres" are trying to destroy the "Somewhere", and don't care if they destroy the "Somewheres" to do it. To them, the "Somewheres" are what is keeping society from advancing to their utopian "Everywhere". That, IMO, is where the conflict is coming from.

[@Grz349]

I find it fascinating how in the first half this guy is talking how the issues are all cultural-political issues and how we need to accept these peoples concerns. but his explanations are all about social economics. There’s a lot I don’t agree with how he sets up his argument at the start, but at least he almost gets to the truth at the end.

[@jalem1066]

At 7;15 the screen flashes yellow with white lettering that reads, Media pending in ten different languages. WHY?

[@noeldivad]

i don't want to live in a world that punishes cognitive ability

[@HarleyN93]

7:15 whats that media pending flash?

[@dougtaylor5216]

good call! Subliminal messages.

[@davishorgan2263]

lol it's what shows when premier (editing software) can't find a file, i don't know why a split second of the clip was offline but the editor should have watched the whole thing after bouncing it to make sure nothing like that happened, but clearly didn't in this case

[@54markl]

With Donald Trump, we finally get the leader we deserve. We don’t deserve anything.

[@SurprisinglyDynamicAnimeSideC]

That screen that flashes for a fraction of a second at 7:16 says "Media Pending" with different translations of that phrase below it. Was this streamed live before being uploaded to KZbin? If not, why is that there? Did they record a projector that was playing this video? It's not that big of a deal whatsoever, I'm just curious.

[@sabienul]

Doctor Dank That's what Premiere Pro (editing software) shows when it can't find a source file. It was probably just a glitch that happened while the video rendered.

[@mousermind]

Yes, we need to change. I've yet to hear a plan for HOW.

[@juki0h391]

a divided country is easier to control, thats why

[@juliangarner56]

juki0h tuki This is year later; I think what’s happened since rather disproves your hypothesis. The country is divided to the point of ungovernabilty.

[@arrendonaldson2084]

This has nothing to do with the topic.. but what happens at about the 7:15 mark it says something on the screen for a fraction of a second.. crazy and couldn't pinpoint it.

[@jmo658]

as an American I would have to say that it does apply here too and I wish I could get out of here but I'm a somewhere

[@PaulAnteDanielsen]

Anyone noticed something just at 7:16? It flashes for milliseconds

[@Sambouajram11]

Imagine a Congress/Parliament composed of a nation's greatest economists, scientists, religious leaders, activitists, union leaders, and law experts. Now let's take a look at our own countries' highest governing bodies. I think somewhere therein lies the problem. Our "representatives" do not represent the greatest minds of our generation. I think all sides of the political spectrum can agree on that

[@mtn1793]

Race to the bottom.

[@themightybrew3979]

Agreed. With the exception of including religious leaders. The dogma they represent is not the least beneficial to governance.

[@Sambouajram11]

@@themightybrew3979 I myself am not religious but I feel that since a significant portion of the American population is, religious leaders ought to have a seat at the table. Not in charge, but one voice among the several others I listed because in a representative democracy, congress ought to reflect the people of the country

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@@Sambouajram11 That’s. certainly a reasonable argument. I respect that.

[@Jebusmike3]

Is it just me or is this a convoluted mess

[@novacaine12290]

Yeah idk if I agree or disagree and I'm not saying his theory is bad or anything but I think it needs more refinement. It just didn't track very well.

[@jordanmumaw2310]

I appreciate the concepts of “anywheres” and “somewheres.” These speak well of the division in the U.S. between more universal worldviews and close-knit community views. However, the claim is made that the U.S. is experiencing disparity because there are more “anywheres” in government than “somewheres.” And that “somewheres” have become marginalized. First, if we had “anywheres in government” then, by definition, our government would have a more universal and horizontal politic. This is not the case. The doom cycle of placing “somewheres” in lead position in our senate, superior court, and congress have utterly stalled any progress to be made for our majority citizens. In fact, the major corporations of our economy are the “somewheres” that control the government and influence policy to be leveraged on the gentry to keep the vertical politic thriving (i.e. modern feudalism).

[@jamestucker8088]

I caught that too. I think that might be the case in the UK where the somewheres are not in power. There are herds of somewheres on both ends of the spectrum. This is why we need to not just use left and right but put another dimension in the description and call it a plane not a line. The x axis could be the traditional economic left and right. But the y axis be socially conservative or liberal.

[@konoko1002k]

"I am educated, therefor I am smart"-> I am any were. "Others don't agree with me"-> They must be sooo dumb.

[@isthisnamegood]

Except...he doesn't say that. He says certain groups are statistically made up of a certain level of education. Which is sadly True. Whether you like it or not.

[@konoko1002k]

The problem is that he turned a complex morality and class issue into "you are too dumb" argument.

[@sangdrako]

Ryuzaki are you not doing the same?

[@konoko1002k]

I hope not. I don't even know where would you get that idea. I said " a complex morality and class issue". How can you interpret that into the same thing as he said? I honestly don't even claim that I do completely understand every moral problem the opposition considers crucial, but I am 99% sure that calling the other side dumb is the easiest way of missing important information. And that is even the reason why ma I so pissed at that guy for implying that only dumb people would thing differently from him.

[@alexhutchinson4138]

I mean, it kind of is. A lot of people aren't necessarily cognitively deficient to a major degree, but they're really ignorant. You've seen the statistics about the number of people who can locate the US on a map and who can name major positions in the US government and whatnot. Being poor in a poor area can do that to people, which is why it becomes a class divide. Also, anything about morality is a "morality issue" and it's really not all that complex, stop trying to sound smart.

[@titolovely8237]

dont over analyze the situation. the ancient greeks discussed it, and it's really quite simple: the worst ill that can befall a republic is a large discrepancy between rich and poor. in capitalist democracies, it produces polarizing forces that lead to communism/socialism and fascism/oligarchy. you cant have a republic when what the majority of ppl want is opposite what the rulers want. there has to be some overlap between the two group's interest. we call that overlap, the middle class which is the stabilizing force in a republic, providing both a sympathy for property and for the hardships of the working class. without that bulwark there's nothing to stop a rapacious capitalist class from exploiting and plundering the nation state, nor is there anything to stop the poor from collectivizing to capture state power for themselves. this leads to a race for political power, which ALWAYS leads to the growth of the state in size, power, and scope, and regardless which side wins, the nation is enslaved.

[@joepvandijk7949]

7:14 minutes... what is is that happens there. Why are we not supposed to actually read that text?

[@lyngs]

Why is noone ever mentioning the Nowheres?

[@MISHMOSH121]

what is up with the flashing screen at 7.14

[@dp0004]

A child who moved and moved and moved learns how to fit in to his chosen group. Fight the leader. He has his place and the last leader becomes his best friend. How does this work?

[@666mattee]

those are some vague categories to prescribe to our whole society. his argument might make sense in his world, but he formulates the categories to prop up his argument, but the categories do not reflect reality.

[@aviralgupta393]

I think when it comes to world or certainly large population, vague is more right than some rigid qualities and I also think anywhere/somewhere is pretty spot on.

[@Davidwyattcraig]

What is it with the flash frames of text.?

[@robvan86]

@7:15 a yellow screen pops in and out for a split second with English and Asian text, I think I see the word "meditation" but it happens too fast and can't pause or read anything else!?? Can someone slow this down and see what it says!???

[@robvan86]

BigWilki123321 thank you, it was strange noticing something on there

[@maurocamaraescudero1062]

7:15 there is a very quick message showing at the screen. What is that??

[@andrewlodes8437]

Said “media pending” in a load of languages

[@TakanashiYuuji]

Interesting take on it.

[@enoeth]

What's with the "Media pending" flicker at 7:14 ?

[@GoddessLennox]

Very interesting

[@larrybobinski7156]

What is the point of the media pending frame at 7:15

[@przybylason]

What flashes at 715? Can't hit pause quick enough

[@przybylason]

Juat saw it. Says media pending. I was hoping for a fight clubesque fun still

[@Pujan133]

Anyone noticed Media Pending frame at 7:15?

[@jwbpona]

This is a massive over generalisation of what is happening.

[@za012345678998765432]

Roxanne meadows is one the most interesting speakers i know, and she has amazing ideas on how to organize society differently, i think you should defiantly get her on the show :)

[@Soletestament]

ick... The problem isn't division. Both the UK and the US have always had two parties which disagreed fairly vehemently for as long as they've existed, and yet always seemed to keep things going and do right by the country as a whole. What we're facing is extremism. You can blame environmental factors all you want but the fact remains that extremism isn't a sustainable position. It runs counter to how human beings think and reason. It requires fuel, someone to feed it. To constantly reinforce extremist beliefs and isolate followers from interacting with outside view points. Because as soon as people are allowed to find information and experiences on their own it all begins to fall apart. Leaving only the most stubborn and stupid to cling onto it. In other words this division is an action being done to these countries. Not a simple shift in social demographics.

[@randomuserrandom8613]

Early warnings for what exactly?

[@SquizzleGwen]

I don't agree with him saying the socially mobile and more educated people are more prevalent in politics. Anyone who looks at scientific policy could tell you our politicians are not educated.

[@tiaanmeiring4873]

Don't want to be too semantic about this- but the title should rather read "Why are Western/Anglo Saxon/Global North Nations so divided etc." It seems to perpetuate this thinking that the USA and UK are the sum total of the world (or at least the only bits that are important). The analysis might even hold for other countries in the North (continental Europe and Australia/NZ), but it seems a lot less relevant if you expand it to other contexts.... Nonetheless, really interesting!

[@kilianfolger5313]

Before you waste ages trying to catch that subliminal message at 7:15, it just says "media pending" in various languages, because the presentation briefly cut out or something.

[@johnnyd1678]

What going on at 7:15?

[@selbalamir7060]

Travel somewhere. But you have to be able to imagine doing that first.

[@HighPriestessIce]

What the hell was that text flash at 7:15. I can't seem to pause on it. Y'all bastards being sneaky.

[@peterdollins3610]

In so far as the UK goes the rigid class system here that began to open up in the sixties has since slammed shut more firmly than before as also the working people have been more ignored. The layering of anywheres and somewheres seems to have nothing to do with it or almost nothing. It is just another way for a dishonest person and class to evade the main problem. Malaka.

[@Sagittariuz912]

Divide (by race, sex, sexual orientation, religion, skin color, income...) and rule. Worked for centuries.

[@SlusserGuitars]

Where the British and American comparisons in the video really break down is that it doesn’t consider the American Electoral College system, modern Senate representation, or antebellum congressional representation on the whole. Each of these systems give “somewheres” FAR more political power than “anywhere” people that tend to congregate on the coasts or in urban areas. So, the idea that “somewheres” voices aren’t being heard or valued in a literal sense is overwhelmingly, ridiculously objectively false as far as America is concerned. Yes, “anywheres” do tend to greatly look down upon somewheres but that’s a sociocultural issue rather than a representative one.

[@girlperson1]

What flashes on the screen a half second after 7:15 ?

[@philosophicalphil]

Media pending message in 10 different languages if you still cared 3years later

[@charlesbrightman4237]

ALL POLITICIANS should be Independents. They could still have informal groups around certain like minded issues, but formal political groups should be done away with. I believe we would have a much better democracy that way.

[@homewall744]

Corporations are not the problem, it's governments giving them preferences and funneling tax dollars to them via "tax incentives" or other complexity that harms regular people over them. A government that gives too much to the people will fail, as will those that give too much to corporations. Government in the US is supposed to be limited, centered on the common good over the good of individuals, with fair taxation and laws rather than complexity and approving mergers that reduce competition, etc.

[@jacksonneil5127]

Has anyone been able to catch the flash message at 7:16?

[@TheAwesomoe]

7:15 It just says: Media Pending メディアを処理中 Média en attende Ausstehende Medien 待定媒体文件 Medios pendientes Supporto in attesa 미디어 보류 ожидaниe мeдиaдaнных Mídia pendente

[@impalabeeper]

Has anyone else noticed a subliminal image at 7:14?

[@jo3yl984]

orange flash? @ 7:15

[@CH-ef5ok]

'Anywheres' used to be called cosmopolitans, no? [Hitler noted that the Jews were rootless 'anywheres' who were at home everywhere, unrooted in the German soil, ie. not 'somewheres'.] Consider: British people who have led expat lives and who retire, for example, to Spain, and who would be called 'anywheres' appear to be culturally more conservative, to be more protective of British identity and against mass immigration, because they have first hand lifelong experience of social and cultural differences. Thus, 'anywheres' appear to be 'somewheres'! Does the dichotomy break down?.

[@sirwizalot7164]

No because the British expats have their own 'somewheres' in Spain - effectively well established colonies of working class Brits with whom they share an identity and culture.

[@candiceblack86]

I used to be a somewhere but feel that via getting with a partner who is an anywhere (and moving to Germany) 6 years later I'm more of an anywhere. Amongst my group I was the only one will to explore the reasons for trump, and why it went that way. The rest dismissed it as too many idiots - that just seems closed minded to me.

[@Drrck11]

So much knowledge and wisdom on this channel. Amazing

[@DasGrosseFressen]

Bah, not sure about this... I mean, at least in Europe, the working class lives great, there is little that they have to worry about. The hand-work hour is insanely expensive, such that the middle "professional class" can barely pay it. And they do not even care about quality, so it is expensive and low quality work. On the other hand, the professionals have crazy stress and work related pressure and do not get well paid so they cannot even pay handy work and have a nice home. Just look at the European houses and you'll see how outdated and simple they are...

[@NikkiTrudelle]

Any one else read nayef al rodhan?

[@Generalfeldm4rschall]

"There's a schism between the idealism of globalization-i.e. that a more connected, educated, and mobile world is going to make everything better-and that of populism, which demands a more insular, community orientated way of life " implying nations dont have education?

[@enriquejunchaya5784]

what is his book's name?

[@NitishKumar-di7mq]

major factor is geni cofecient.

[@cleobabie]

More education is NOT equivalent to more openmindedness What works in the UK and Europe does NOT mean it works in America

[@jnzkngs]

I am tired of the "smart people vs. stupid people" argument. Educated people are just as capable of being stupid as the uneducated. People have forgotten that is entirely possible to be so open-minded that your brains fall out. If this weren't the case there wouldn't be a plague of unemployment for people who graduate with insanely expensive 4 and 8 year degrees for which there are no jobs.

[@georgiana1754]

I think he makes a forced dichotomy. I'm pretty sure a Harvard graduate would also feel upset if his skill would be deprecated before he even pays his student loan. Social changes affect people in different ways and each has to choose his reaction to that social change. Of course, some changes affect some people to such a degree that they can't live their lives as before. In that case they must be helped and willing to find another way of life in the changed context that they still enjoy. This requires effort and may not be pleasant but sometimes it's worth it and most importantly it's inevitable. I do agree however that "anywheres" are people more used to change and thus take it easier than "somewheres". Therefore they tend to underestimate the shock and hardship a person can feel when his/her life undergoes the first major change in 10 years. Bottom line, this is just about how used people are with change and how willing/able they are to get over the discomfort it provokes and make the best out of it. In most cases if they are able they will also be willing eventually.

[@petermelb]

Its really all about breaking up the social contract. More and more cheap labour. Condmening a large part of of the population to second world standards of living.That is what it is really about.

[@salaa786123]

Open minds not fear change

[@jnzkngs]

Because there is money in it for the press slinging negativity and there is no money in being positive and actually solving problems that could otherwise be milked daily like a cow to fuel profitable divisiveness.

[@bobbyharper8710]

Politics has it's hooligans.

[@chescarino]

how to massively over complicate a vary simple point.

[@charlesbrightman4237]

Most people aren't even seeing, and hence not considering, the larger contextual issues: For example: Everyone should ask themselves: "What exactly is being done to try to save any species from eternal conscious extinction?" For without at least one truly eternally consciously existent entity that truly exists throughout all of future eternity, even if only by a succession of ever evolving conscious species, then we all will die one day from something, forget everything, and be forgotten. a. Many people believe we are entering into the sixth mass extinction event here on this Earth. b. Modern science claims that this Earth and our Sun will not last for literally all of future eternity. c. I personally believe our solar system is being pulled toward our galactic center's black hole, hence also why our galaxy is spiral shaped. d. Main stream modern science claims that this universe is going to end in a "big freeze", "big crunch", or by some other means. (Now personally, I can show a way how they could be wrong about this last one, but we would still have to get off of this Earth and out of this solar system, and be able to move about this galaxy if not even have to leave it.) We have bigger problems to face as a species then fighting among ourselves. We will ALL die soon enough in the expanse of eternity. Denying future reality will not make future reality any less real. This KZbin channel is "Big Think", so "Think Big".

[@mk1st]

For decades millions of people have been content and even fulfilled doing skilled manual work. Nowadays we have a handful of people for whom millions of (insert currency here) is not enough.

[@IlicSorrentino]

Who sad that classism is dead?

[@IEIM64I]

it all comes down to biases. Those who are biased for some cultural or social thing will avoid and oppose conflicting ideas, its biological. Biases comes from surroundings and intellectuals are those who has figured out how to avoid them. It has nothing to do with education because education is all about making people biased for the things tought in school, no actual thinking

[@tomellsworth7735]

7:15 media is pending wtf

[@shadfurman]

I'm not see any significance in the correlations he's referring too. I think the correlations probably exist to some extent... might be influential I guess that seems probable, but the assignment of those labels and speaking of those categories a statistical generalizations seems grossly fallacious. I enjoy a number of rather cross cultural discussions, the motivations don't seem to have much to do with education or social mobility to me, in fact they seem to me to be almost entirely how cultural values map onto government. As a side example, I don't think the "anywheres" are better educated, they're simply more formally educated. I don't think the "somewheres" are less socially mobile, they're just more family focused. I also think the cultural differences aren't that significant at all, it seems to me the perception of cultural differences are much larger than the actual cultural differences. The extreme left and right political cultures seem to me to be an extremely small population. The perception of differences are like football teams, theres almost no difference in skill level or play between the two teams (that's why they end up pair together) but the fans magnify the differences often to a level of violence. I call this political tribalism, or political team sports. One on one, most people I've talked to, actually say nearly the same thing.

[@dektran4843]

pro globalist vs anti globalist

[@fwd79]

What on earth is this guy on about? UK has always been obsessed with class system. Just the definition of it has changed a bit. 😒

[@SteveScapesYT]

It's a strong analysis, but it's lacking ground in the problems of modern capitalism-- because the fact is that embedded growth obligations of institutions are not being met; so larger and larger portions of the anywheres-- especially the anywhere youth-- are now finding themselves in a class position more similar to the somewheres. This is causing a massive shift in the dynamics I think.

[@dinsel9691]

Most people who votes for Brexit stated that they would vote in favour of Brexit even if they end up worse of financially.. According to one surveys calculation they would be happy to lose up to 15% of their total annual wealth as long they get Brexit... People on the left are a complete joke.... they are completely unable to sympathise with right wing c**ts.. and when they do show some sympathy they always point out the stagnant wages and job losses... things that are no way as important to a lot of "somewheres" as it is culture or race. The "anywheres" could not care less about your culture or race and hence they can never and will never understand or truly sympathise with common plebs

[@importantname]

now - a solution please.

[@powerkidO7]

We need to create new system cause this one cause allot of wars .

[@judecunningham1753]

I can't see why someone would want equality within politics with regards to education... shouldn't the most educated and intelligent people run the country? why let someone less educated in just for the purpose of ticking an equality box

[@steveg3593]

In short, society has become obsessed with the self.

[@Harjawaldar]

Cognitive elites; one of Charles Murray's key terms in "Coming Apart" from 2012

[@scadqwqw]

So what are we supposed to do to alleviate this problem? If we wait until the tension and anger boils over, we could have a violent simplification. (The author Walter Miller described a fictional “Simplification” which was a brutal backlash against intellectuals after a nuclear war, in which anyone of learning or who could even read, was killed by rampaging mobs. Books were burned and literacy became extinct. Think it couldn’t happen? It already has, and it was precipitated by a lot less than a nuclear war. In the 1970s, Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge took over Cambodia to transform it into a utopia by cutting off the country from the world, emptying the cities, and abolishing money, property, telephones, religion and even privacy. Professionals, artists, and intellectuals were killed. Anyone thought to be an intellectual was killed. Some people were killed for wearing glasses or otherwise looking or acting smart. Educated middle-class people were tortured and executed in special centres. One to three million people died during the five-year genocide.) The origin of the problem is almost surely economic rather than cultural or anything to do with status or “social honor”. The Tunisian guy who started the Arab Spring was complaining about economic hardship. The coal workers are never going to get their jobs back. Factories in the Midwest US will continue to wither as they have been doing for decades. Driverless vehicle technology is likely to displace the 3.5 million people who drive trucks for a living. Those people are not going to go quietly into the night. Income inequality has never been greater than it is now. So where do we go from here?

[@lanceawatt]

His name is David Goodhart

[@cloakintersection7756]

the somewhere nationalist vs the anywhere globalist divide doesn't seem right

[@buckfutter184]

This entire video and the premise in the description are hilarious garbage