THIS IS INSANE! 2023 Ford F450 Towing 30,000lbs ON THE BUMPER! Limited Trim

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[@PlayWaves1]

30k bumper pull is more impressive than 40k gooseneck IMO. That's a huge amount of stress on the rear of the frame.

[@PlayWaves1]

@@Itsa_Mea But bumper pulls need 10% tongue weight. That's 3000 lbs directly on the rear of the frame where the hitch is attached.

[@mikeyc7072]

Thank You for the Payload - too many KZbinrs don't bother!! Very helpful since I am considering a smaller New Horizons 5th Wheel👍😎

[@texasguy3031]

I also wish dealers would make sales folks selling trucks watch JD’s videos. I’ve gotten a couple of blank stares when I asked about payload sticker for the truck 😂

[@quig1984m]

30k pounds bumper pull is nuts man!!! Did they mention the tounge weight by chance? Im glad you emphasize just how much weight you had by bumper pull because im not sure most people understand how crazy that is

[@4literfandaniel373]

God that’s impressive. I know you get a lot of crap for being a “fanboy” but I imagine it’s hard not to be when you have performance like this, plus a wide trac axle that gives a 1 ton truck the ability to turn like a car. I can’t afford one but I absolutely love keeping up with the new technology.

[@mjareacts2731]

Big Truck Big RV I'm not the type of guy who's stuck on brands, I typically buy trucks to serve specific purposes, but as of late I have been moving more and more into the luxury models for family convenience. This F450 is definitely on my short list in the coming months when it's time for me to trade in my current truck. Thank you for your review of this wonderful vehicle, and the common sense knowledge to ask some of the difficult questions for your viewers. You definitely earned a subscriber over here.

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Thanks my friend

[@mjareacts2731]

@@BigTruckBigRV keep doing what you do, and I'll keep watching.

[@KaplanCycles]

I own the biggest 26k DRV JX450, i tow it with a Volvo VNL770 Semi With a 15.2 Litre Cummins ISX 500 HO & currently own a 2016 F350 & a 2020 F450, and have a 2023 Black Limited F450 on order, cant wait!

[@musicbass4469]

My dad is a semi truck driver and I feel like the Cummins engine has the least amount of HP there pretty slow like really slow are 2019 Volvo with I believe a Detroit engine I believe and that was way faster then our 2019 international with a Cummins engine we were able to keep up with those old looking semi that are always speeding and our truck was governored

[@steved5871]

I think the bigger issue with the keyless start is that it transmits continually and can be intercepted by a scanner device. It can them be cloned to a blank fob and used to start and steal the truck. If you have a keyless start you should store it in a small faraday bag when not in use.

[@mjareacts2731]

You actually make a very valid point. A friend of mine here in Houston Texas had his charger stolen right out of his driveway when some clowns cloned his key fobs, that's including the red key fob. I keep all of my key fobs and a secure box for that reason.

[@vibrant93]

Unreal. Love my '95 obs 7.3 but dang, it would be nice to not have to white knuckle all the time, at 7,500lbs lol. My wife laughs at me every time the "if we won the lottery" topic comes up and I say my 1st vehicle would be a F450. I'm serious. It would be my 1st.

[@mikesowell7969]

Awesome truck! Those seats looked way more comfortable than the ones in your Denali!

[@TimothyMichaels]

I'll never get to own one, very impressive performance.

[@Van-tastic]

Even those of us who ordered one, won’t get to own one.

[@garvdarb]

No problem towing. Try emergency stopping with 30k on behind

[@josephkellogg2177]

I think they should build a diesel hybrid with a 10,000 Watt inverter kind of like the hybrid half ton, but just a bigger better diesel version

[@texasguy3031]

You can tell JD has a soft spot for the F450. Sure it is very capable. Too bad Ford can’t build them or other SD.

[@BigTruckBigRV]

I've always said I'm a big fan of the F450. After all, I've purchased 2 and have a 3rd on order.

[@Governor1993]

@BTBRV did you order the 2023?!

[@GreenCtry]

Amazing tech. I wish they made the truck somewhat affordable.

[@JeffreyDarden-w4y]

Thank you for all the videos. They’ve been very helpful if you could how does that F450 do towing a gooseneck four horse living quarters trailer

[@stewartscenturyfarm238]

Did they have a truck that was just loaded down from a strictly payload perspective. Like with a work box or flatbed hauling pallets?

[@wj2791]

It is good to hear the ride is better compare to 2017 F450. Many people online has complained about the rough ride on F450 from past and were adding many different options to improve. ( Air bag, New shocks and many more ). I am waiting for my 2023 F450 and will not touch it from stock options. Would ride be better on 2017 with 30k trailer as well?

[@CreativeComander]

For Those who interested its 13607,77kg

[@willsinger2945]

Any more details on a hitch difference for the 23+ trucks? differences in the frame? Is this an option to upgrade the factory hitch on older year trucks? Also Any more info on the firestone tires?

[@marklarson9436]

I read somewhere that current or soon to be released SuperDuty trucks will have a on-board cargo capacity "scale" for lack of a better word. No more guessing. Load up, fuel up, hit a button, boom...cargo weight provided. Anybody know if this is still coming? Perhaps a better question engineers...wtf isn't this standard?

[@parsidhu9261]

I wish I could afford one of these new ones

[@tomearly111]

Love the truck but at well over 100 grand it should be amazing.

[@RDLouks]

While I do absolutely love the new Super Duties, in fact so much I ordered my 2023 F-350 King Ranch in October of last year. Guess what, it still is not scheduled to be built. I have been a life long Ford fan, and if it wasn't for the fact that my 2016 F-350 is still running just fine and is very capable of hauling my Fifth wheel. If it wasn't I am afraid I would be looking at Ram or GM. Sad testimony for Ford. Everyone telling us how great the new Super Duties but Ford can't deliver.

[@1StrangeAdventure]

Love the truck and limited interior. Unfortunately, they can’t keep up with orders and are now removing the multi contour seats from ALL models. 😢

[@texasguy3031]

Exactly and they are removing features in high trims. Ford is a mess right now.

[@Van-tastic]

Limited got a reprieve… but I’m still not scheduled with a 31 Oct order date and a priority 10. So, what’s the point, right?

[@harryzarubaiii755]

Yeah emails went out last week to dealers. Our Limiteds will be built whole hopefully.

[@kurtmcmichael2045]

Great content as always; does it make you want to upgrade from the 2017????

[@matthewanderson9912]

As someone with a class A CDL that on occasion tows about 30,000 pounds on a pintle trailer I think this is nuts. That truck is not nearly heavy enough to control a true load of that weight and not the very low profile ballast they were using. You even nearly blew through two stop signs coming to a stop! The camera cut away on both but it sure looked liked based on the outside camera on the first one you got the truck all the way through the stop sign before you stopped. I can imagine that would be a very common occurrence towing that kind of weight with one of these duallies. You did the same thing in the 40,000 gooseneck video too. I didn’t comment on that one because I figure you just didn’t know the road but this test was after that one. So it’s a nice truck but man that is insane to rate it that high. No doubt the power is more than adequate. The power is never the problem but asking an 8500ish pound truck to tow 30,000 on the bumper is nuts. Although I would say that’s not nearly as crazy as towing 40,000 on the single cab 2WD truck. An enclosed trailer approaching those weights would walk the dog with that short wheelbase, and light weight for what it is truck.

[@jonorson1426]

LOL, you said its not your favorite truck in the world!! Id love to have seen his face. So what is your favorite truck in the world?

[@ChrisRoy-t9b]

Towing this heavy in dry or wet conditions is one thing but these trucks (all brands) really don’t handle the weight well at all in Canadian / Northern USA winter conditions. More often than not there are multiple icy spots on highways and when you add a gust of wind which is very common, the trailer will start to push the truck around to the point you’re lucky if you get to keep it on the road regardless of the use of 4WD. Great videos, great info, just not even remotely close to a good idea to tow 30-40k with a pickup unless it’s warm and dry or even rain is fine, I wish more people realized that. It’s the cause of many accidents involving trucks and trailers. Just my opinion.

[@billchesney8949]

Didn’t see you test the onboard scales

[@reliablehotshot4885]

i would like to see a 30k load thats 8' tall driving a day on the interstate.

[@BigTruckBigRV]

That would be like a giant RV.

[@jasonlarsen3515]

Does GM give you as much seat and testing at the limit as Ford does at these events?

[@BigTruckBigRV]

Sometimes, they all have a max or near max tow option generally.

[@davidmilhouscarter8198]

Is this a closed course?

[@robertcox8994]

Fords proving grounds

[@nisiunavoce1264]

That's all great to laud the 30K tow but bear in mind the COG of that trailer is so low compared to a box that most competitors would likely do well. How about towing a box or say a piece of contruction equipment for real world experience of tow feel?

[@angelolamantia]

You just won’t let that go for GM trucks and the remote start, not an issue for 98% of people.

[@johnpalmer3848]

It's an issue for everyone starting the truck and then getting in the passenger seat instead of the driver's seat.

[@matthewanderson9912]

It’s crazy talk really. I mean the whole idea of remote starting a vehicle is to do it before you get in the vehicle so that it will be cooled down or warmed up depending on the temperature. I don’t understand his gripe at all. It’s like they are walking out to the truck to go somewhere and he remote starts it and then she gets in and he goes off and does whatever. Just wait to get in when you’re actually ready to leave lol. And in this video he even mentions the truck will be locked. Well, no it won’t because you have to unlock it for someone to get in it for his complaints scenario. His 12 volt outlet complaint is valid and I would agree. GM needs to add those back for 2025 on the refreshed interiors. But this remote start thing is silly. And the 1 time it might come up that maybe you have forgot something and have to go back inside then just reach in and push the brake and the start button lol.

[@angelolamantia]

@@johnpalmer3848where exactly is the passenger going with no driver? So they wait 20 seconds for the driver to enter and in the meantime the passenger needs full control of all functions of the vehicle? Sorry just don’t get it, he has it brought it up like 10x in his videos, just weird to me. Many things I don’t like about my GMC and that doesn’t make the top 10.

[@supporterofsanity]

That is a huge number. A lot of folks would be surprised that a lot of semi tractor loads aren’t this heavy.

[@CreativeComander]

Without weight of the back axle it looks wrong but you sayed it in the Video…

[@jetdriver]

I’m not sure that this test is really representative of anything other than power. This is a very carefully setup load with a very low and dense material carefully positioned on the trailer to create an optimum tongue weight on the proving ground and with little to no height. A few years ago you called the escalating half ton tow capacities crazy in a video. I have to ask if the 1 ton truck race hasn’t also reached those heights? What would this tow like if it had a much taller trailer with a lot more weight hi up and perhaps more load on the back? Given how carefully set up this load was and how low to the ground it was I’m not surprised it towed better than your 5th wheel. At what point do these escalating numbers get every bit as crazy as the half ton numbers?

[@matthewanderson9912]

Valid question. This is a bigger ask than a half ton towing 12,000 or 13,000 pounds when you look at the truck to trailer weight ratio. I’m not at all saying half tons should be towing that kind of weight and it’s my opinion the size and type of trailer is drastically more important than just the weight of the trailer for determining what truck you need and how the towing experience will go. The weights in this video is true medium duty or even heavy duty truck territory. That 450 is nowhere near big enough in both physical size and weight to tow that kind of weight with a real load on it. And what I mean is like a backhoe or mini excavator or something similar that would be close to 30,000 pounds total weight. It looked like he nearly blew through 2 stop signs in this video and that’s no surprise with 30,000 pounds pushing that 8500ish pound truck with two axles.

[@danwilliams6018]

@jetdriver, the load on this trailer is set up with the proper 10% tongue weight as recommended. To load more on the back as you suggested isn't properly loading the truck/trailer.

[@jetdriver]

@@danwilliams6018 Your missing my point. He talks about how well the truck handled this extreme load and my point is that this test was very carefully structured to do that. A different type of load of the same weight might well create a very different result. 10% is also a suggested minimum and many trailers run numbers higher than that. The central point though is that these trucks are being rated to tow insane levels of weight. Just like a 1/2 ton really should not be towing a 10,000lb travel trailer I think it’s reasonable to ask if these trucks should really be towing these kinds of weights.

[@epap1375]

@@jetdriver Absolutely and that's not even taking aerodynamics into account. He kept mentioning the luxury 5th wheel homes and the total GVWR. Believe me even a 20K pound RV at highway speeds is a whole different ball game then a flat low open 30K load.

[@stevenfoster5737]

I'd love to know the tongue weight. Wow is all I can say about this truck.

[@danwilliams6018]

3,000 lbs.

[@kh867]

So if I get the 450, it’ll save my marriage the next time I go out RV’ing with the wife and dogs?!

[@JohnDewh]

That payload is too low, my 22 F350 XLT SRW Super crew LB every option has a payload of 4497.

[@freedomisntfree_44]

It’s a 450… the 350s are higher.

[@earlhamil731]

Perhaps the biggest downside is someone can buy that truck and put a big fiver behind it and haul ass down the highway at 7pm-h with GCWR of near 50,000# with literally no training on how to drive it

[@johnweatherford5760]

So much talking lol

[@dustinwenzel1446]

it sounds pretty loud in the cab. was it quiter than it showed. especially when the fan kicked on

[@TheBurnsStuff]

Hey JD, I have a question for you. Well, more of an observational question. On my 2013 F250, when I turn on the wipers, within about 3 seconds, all of the lights turn on. Day or night, doesn't matter. When I turn the wipers off, the lights shut off after about 10 seconds. Can you confirm if your truck does this? Its one of my absolute favorite features. I don't know this may only happen with trucks equipped with automatic lights and if they are set to the auto mode.

[@southerndiesels]

the international cxt still dominates this category with a 40k bumper tow rating

[@mannydestura1466]

Do you have regular disc brakes? Hard to imagine the stopping power, the stress the load does to every piece of equipment on the F450.

[@skoffco]

I know what’s missing with the F450. Remove it from the the class 3 designation for a heavier GVWR. It can certainly handle it.

[@Van-tastic]

Too bad no one who has ordered a limited actually gets to drive one. Ford set this event up to save face, nothing else. And all you “Journos” fail to ask a single question about why customers can’t get their premium trims.

[@angelolamantia]

Farmers have been towing that heavy with the older trucks. If you are towing under 45 mph you won’t develop sway.

[@chrisbanks5098]

Love these f450 I’ll have one someday as far as what they could improve for 100k plus truck they could give you a chrome delete package

[@jayxj7785]

Your in depth trucks reviews are better than the ones from big names like TFL

[@danielboone94]

How about a console refrigerator like the Escalade has because even though these are work trucks most people that buy limited are business owners and they buy the limited because of the tax deductions. I would love to have a limited. Cuz I like blue interiors and I like the color blue in general. How about the rear view digital mirror. Or in the infotainment screen how about a camera so you can see what's in the backseat like if you got kids so you don't have to take your eyes completely away from the road. It would be nice if they did an actual sport hood, and be functional.

[@trevorharley4475]

Too be honest this terrifies me big time. At no point should someone pull that level of weight without feeling it. That is an incredible amount of weight. It's dangerous. Holy cow! Is Ford the new swift??

[@henryford2736]

Ford always had best engineered trucks. It's quality issues they have to improve

[@FIVE6-qk6pc]

Eventually 4 tires and 1 axle won't be enough

[@robertcox8994]

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