BIGtruck FH Aero First drive!

First drive with the Volvo Aero and the new FH16 780 Super Eco Combi

[@Howler61]

So,should not FH16 be called FH17 now?

[@jaakkoiswatching6437]

17 doesn't sound that good in Swedish.

[@robinenbernhard]

​@@V8Tomek f16 base on 16L engin so he do ask right question. 780Hp got 17L engin

[@Engineersoldinterstingstuff]

​@@jaakkoiswatching6437Damn good name in Swedish 😆

[@matthewnaidoo962]

Exactly

[@Skelterbane69]

@@jaakkoiswatching6437 "eff håå sjutton" sounds pretty good imo

[@heinhtethlaing1530]

Europe emission can design?

[@rosen9425]

Wait what.. Volvo is doing a FH 780 now?! well of course though, there's no chance you'd be pulling the new 74 ton gross weights with an electric truck for any meaningful distance 😂

[@georgemad4145]

Im curious about the economic aspect of running this combo

[@henryblanton6992]

Just as long as the Paying Freight is Available. 🤙🏻🤔😎

[@zaarkeru3391]

We did some internal testing and we saw about 6-8% real world savings on fuel (unloaded just the tractor), so it will make quite a difference.

[@filipe6579]

This 2 trailers with 74 tonnes ate pretty normal in Brazil. But this 780 hp monster will shine in Australia

[@wambogojonah316]

And in New Zealand.

[@raggarstickan5045]

And in Sweden were the truck is born ;)

[@JakeV8]

@@raggarstickan5045 And in finland

[@regregan6852]

Australia still does not routinely use the big volvo horsepower now (750) so why would it change?🤔 Australia is not overly hilly more long distance so economy will outweigh horsepower🤷‍♂️

[@billyp4850]

​@@regregan6852 It's too hot in Australia for these high power trucks, Volvo doesn't sell the 750 here, and Scania are having issues with the 770 in the hot weather

[@MrT79shakeshake]

so they basically just made them look like a flipping Renault...oh dear

[@maozedong981]

Holy Sh*t, it pulls 74 Tons like nothing 😮😮😮

[@Norbergalbin]

If it was 74 tons an axle wouldn't be in the air... i doubt it

[@Saunis]

My R580 scania pulls 76tn better than old 4. serie 460hp pulled 60tn. So, of course fh780 pulls 74tn like nothing...

[@kevingoodwin9887]

Big fan of the Volvo trucks, but the FH cab interior has fallen behind its competitors

[@Werry_Rang]

Hasn't changed much since 2012....... Quite disappointing

[@virtueofhate1778]

Is it missing some functionality or do you mean just by the looks?

[@Uddevalla44]

It is hard to make something that good better.

[@stevenjohnston6213]

Looks crap.instead aero rubbish .give more space to the driver .cab hasn't changed inside rubbish

[@dtrmlr]

@@stevenjohnston6213 and those are all your arguments? 🤦‍♂️😂

[@derekantill3721]

FH16 780. Now that’s what I call a long haul truck.

[@tsint]

Shouldnt it be called FH17? ;)

[@tomaszwroblewski811]

I thought exactly the same!

[@rosen9425]

👍 missed opportunity. but it's not a new model though

[@lowrangemaniac5326]

It looks like they took the new Volvo VNL from the american market, and smashed the front nose right under the cabin....

[@castrain1419]

Even by Australian standards that 780 set up was a decent size.

[@madness3433]

DAF heeft het tot nog toe als enige begrepen, hoe die extra ruimte in te delen, in het voordeel van de chauffeur.

[@igorsokolovskii1628]

Вольво кабина не меняется,встать развернутся мало места,почему столько времени не меняется интерьер,думаю многие согласятся не очень удобный,не очень

[@kresimirmilisa5560]

Very good new model truck hope it will be in production soon.

[@stiigern]

⁠The seat socket is still too high so you can’t use air in the seat if you are under 180 cm long. I have to lower the seat all the way down and tilt forward to reach the floor. The cup "holders" are still pretty much just cup placement, and they are 1 meter away from you. The steering wheel is the same thick uncomfortable blob. They even changed the button layout so that in my 2023 volvo i cant switch track/song on the wheel anymore. You have to stretch out to the infotainment display. They didn’t bother designing a new dashboard when they implementet the new infotainment screen. They just left a big hole behind the new screen and you cant use for anything because the screen makes it very unpractical. Feels like they dont care. The night/sleep curtains hinges are still made out of the cheapest plastic they could find. It’s not "if" they break but when. And they are a pain to fix and they never run smoothly again. The handsfree microphone is still terrible. Everyone complains they can’t hear me, so i have stopped using it completely. The standard speaker have gotten worse, and less equalizer settings from my 2019 volvo. Still no Apple carplay/Android auto they said would come a few years ago. Like come on! How hard can it be? Scania has had it as standard sinse the first next gen. The infotainment is bare bones and even navigation is extra. There is no more functionality than from the ones in the early 2010 models. The table they give with the new truck is just a pain to have installed. It’s in the way, so everyone just removes it and never use it. The tacho is slow AF. You have to wait like 15 minutes before it’s finished loading. Scania is almost instant. All in all to me it feels like they dont care about the drivers at all. All they care about are the big contracts. If i owned my own truck i would buy a Scania..

[@grandpaandlucas7054]

best truck ever made was the MAN with the V10 engine with 600hp that could pull like a train. it could out pull any volvo or scania.

[@muhammad_zulkarnaim]

for me as a fans of Volvo trucks I don't very like with the design

[@patodonovan274]

Volvo Power

[@stephenc2738]

Cut the music!

[@hbk6684]

780hp 3800nm 😱

[@donaldwayne4219]

The FH 16 600hp was a good truck with 3 trailers, the 780 with 3800nm torque should do it Easy!

[@АрсланКайдаров-г9к]

Вольво лучшие

[@cooleric247]

Dus als ik het goed begrijp, dan is de langere neus enkel voor de show en komt niet ten goede aan extra ruimte voor de chauffeur en is het bredere bed nog steeds puur te danken aan een noodoplossing om de cabine naar achteren te verlengen. Aan een 270⁰ camera rechtsvoor is blijkbaar niet gedacht. Tuurlijk, Volvo zal z'n trouwe fans ongetwijfeld bedienen, zeker met zoveel koppel en vermogen, maar iets in mij zegt dat DAF met de NGD nog steeds als enige optimaal die nieuwe regels qua lengte benut en als enige zo'n enorme cabine kan aanbieden.

[@masterbeuner8964]

Echt geen nieuwe auto dit. FH 4c

[@CreRay]

Geen show maar brandstofverbruik verlaging en daarmee lagere CO2 uitstoot. Een volledig nieuwe cabine zal teveel geld gekost hebben...

[@BIGtruckonlinemagazine]

Dat neusje is puur voor het verbruik en voor een betere Vecto score, wat resulteert in een lager Maut tarief.

[@David_Crayford]

Nice 'S' parking. =)

[@chopper1860]

the new volvo looks like a cross between a Renault T-Range and a spaceship

[@MrLincoln87]

I wonder how much shit I could break on these trucks on our job, 96t A-doubles ;) Who am I kidding, with an extra 80hp our boss will throw some extra axles at it and a few more tonnes

[@nenaudotojas]

Visiškas atsilikimas,kai kabinoje nėra net stalelio pavalgyti ar dokumentus pildyti. Vienintelis pliusas - vairo kolonėlės lankstumas. Prastai išplanuota erdvė,šaltos kabinos grindys.

[@paul8161]

Loved seeing the two trailers being towed , the electric truck looked good..

[@billmcdonald0256]

🇨🇦 Nice Over all unit..I have A respect for the Drivers who have the ability & crafted skills to Deliver our Goods & services 🫡 Extraordinary long/Pikes..Enjoyed the Video 📹

[@user-tb9mg4md7d]

new year, new truck, new even cheaper plastic

[@bitang69]

Volvo e5 was last true Volvo.

[@BavarianTrucking]

It's like the Next Gen Scania. You have to get used to the new look. Let's see what the tuning parts will bring😊

[@Rimrock300]

It's typical with new models) Some have to get used to it, others spend time stating the old model is 'much nicer' and so on. After a few months people have forgot about the old models, and think they look really old next to the newst model)

[@Skelterbane69]

Put a moose bar on and any truck will look nice.

[@desktopdiddies5530]

Nice truck, wonder will Scania bring out a 790 or 800 next 🤔

[@fortune300]

Vem vet,... men jag skulle vilja se ett acc test med 60ton. Tvivlar på att Scania 770 skulle hamna efter denna. Snabbare låda och bredare momentkurva, sannlikt högre medeleffekt under acceleration.

[@adamtonkin3800]

Chinese have 800hp and half the price 🤔

[@2mZ2m]

@@adamtonkin3800 Put rubbish in the bin.

[@rosen9425]

@@fortune300 Finns på youtube. 770 vs 730 timmerbil upp för hallandsåsen. 770 höll 56kmh (har jag för mig) och 730 kunde inte hänga med. Galet

[@ontheroadagain4773]

@@rosen9425 Det intressanta var att 770 faktiskt förbrukade mindre diesel än 730 - för att 770 kunde köra med en högre växel. Men det var ett test mellan Scanior. Vore intressant att se ett test mellan Scania och Volvo.

[@Stefan1968_Swe]

Wtf has happend to that front😂 that is one of the most awful looking fronts on a truck

[@youdontknow4264]

Volvo said it was so that repositioning allowed increase size and also where customer can promote their own business

[@hermandaems9606]

mooie EKERI TRAILERS mag hij ook eens wat van zeggen

[@CreRay]

Gaaf! De achterste oplegger is overigens 13,80 lang volgens kenteken. Max lengte voor deze "BK4" combinaties is 34,5 meter, en daar is geen vergunning voor nodig. Jammer van het weertje wel, Januari is wel zo ongeveer de slechtst mogelijke maand om een product launch in Göteborg te doen. FH16 is een iconische naam dus ik begrijp dat Volvo deze bijgehouden heeft.

[@BIGtruckonlinemagazine]

Dat is een oplegger op een dolly.

[@CreRay]

​@@BIGtruckonlinemagazine Ah ik zie het nu ook! Ik had het kenteken op de dolly niet gezien.

[@petrivatanen9017]

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[@АлександрБирюков-н2й]

хорошо придумано внутрение зеркала и мыть не надо их когда грязью забрызгает их и камушек не разобьет

[@spv1093]

One way to increase the usefulness of duo trailers is to install a computer-controlled reversing function in the truck. The control unit in the truck knows the characteristics of the vehicles in the set up. The driver gets out of the cab and places a contact transponder at the loading dock and starts the truck with his remote control in hand. The truck backs up under the supervision of the driver, who stands to the side and watches and stops if necessary. Then the rearmost trailer is disconnected with the dolly and the truck and the front trailer are backed onto another loading dock. When it's time to couple up, the control unit remembers where the other trailer's drawbar is and can back up while the driver watches. The described is technically possible. It is only required that some company develops the system and markets it.

[@YARCHLRL]

Volvos are great trucks just very boring. No pop, no weirdness, no WOW...

[@muhammadyunus-qm6gw]

Persaingan dua brand Swedia semakin sengit, ketika Scania mampu meningkatkan tenaga mesin nya menjadi 770 hp, Volvo terlecut untuk meladeni tantangan Scania dengan fh 16 780 hp,kita tunggu saja apakah ada jawaban dari pihak sang rival

[@AgentSmith911]

Who cares about horsepower, 780 is ok, but it's the torque that's important, and 3800 is impressive!

[@malcolmolle8984]

Hopefully the 17 litre will go in the Mack also

[@henryblanton6992]

Don’t Count on it.

[@FlorisOever]

En weer zo’n kut scherm met een gat erachter maak toch 1 geheel als je een digitaal dashboard maakt Volvo

[@wasmachinejohn]

now scania doesn't have the most powerfull one and i don't think a brand would go 800+

[@zapfanzapfan]

34 meters?

[@Skelterbane69]

Yeah?

[@Unexpectedperspectivesnow]

Australian drivers are not impressed by this. 2 trailers is the starting point for them.

[@ilkkak3065]

Tell them to drive on snow and ice like Swedes and Finns do with two trailers...

[@Skelterbane69]

Tell your Aussie friends to drive in a roundabout. Oh wait, they can't.

[@ΒασίληςΜαργαρίτης-ν6γ]

😮😮

[@masonarrow2440]

That looks hideous and why are all the euro trucks going camera mirrors

[@CreRay]

The camera mirrors lower the fuel consumption and with that help the manufacturer to achieve the necessary CO2 reduction.

[@Uddevalla44]

It also minimise the dead angles and maximise the view. They take a Couples of minutes to get used to and a day or two to not miss to mutch.

[@Mark_Rutten]

It saves 1% fuel from what i heard, but you can get mirrors instead of camera on most trucks.

[@goncalogalhoz3833]

It's a master piece of engineering

[@d1viking]

they look good from the front but the side looks shit

[@derumfauschder2603]

Ach du scheisse,die sehen jetzt aus wie Renault Premium,ade Volvo!!

[@yunusinaloglu2212]

Şu aracı, yan profilden bir gösterseniz çok daha iyi olurdu.

[@chrisclarke7828]

Tractor heads then......................

[@ontheroadagain4773]

This D17 engine seems to be just an updrilled D16. Bigger cylinder diameter but the same stroke lenght. But I guess it involves something more.

[@Lonewolf_rider]

Die camera spiegels zijn misschien leuk voor de stroomlijn, maar om mee te werken is het ruk! Conclusie aangezien we ermee moeten werken: echte spiegels zijn de beste optie!

[@jailtonalmeida3080]

Quando chega ao Brasil?

[@pitszczepanski9406]

Oto doskonały przykład jak stylistycznie wewnątrz jak i zewnątrz mozna spierdolić ciężarówkę.Co to kurła jest ubot jakiś czy co?

[@BenzTom-j4g]

Gibt es keine Sonnenblende mehr?

[@derumfauschder2603]

Nee,spritersparnis

[@leopoldocollao2212]

You are happy ....driving the Volvo Power.!!!😅😅😅

[@88terrormaus]

Het is en blijft ovlov🤮🤢

[@rowanbroekman1794]

Zo, straks met allemaal zonnepanelen op het dak en vol met accu's, lijkt me prima allemaal.

[@barnabeadriaens3703]

biogas, wat een onwaarschijnlijke onzin vertelt u ook alweer...

[@RaimundoNonatoAlvesclara]

São umas máquinas muito top

[@yahyayarim5727]

Motor hacmini 16.1lt’den 17.3lt’ye çıkarıp aradaki 1.2lt’lik hacimden 30hp elde etmek gelişim veya yenilik mi oluyor? Bu bir ilerleme değil geriye gitme olmuş diye düşünüyorum!!!

[@patodonovan274]

That's only the start, watch the space.

[@nicos59home]

60 blokpallets, Kooiaapie, mooi in de winkeldistributie!

[@Der.Nichtraucher]

Geweldige truck💪 maar het is best "raar" om het logo zo "laag" te zien😅

[@ДаниярСолтонбаева]

Oh My God Seventy four ton and Two trailers

[@RobertAltmeyer-vb3jr]

Was für ein Scheissdesign. IVECO 10 MAL SCHÖNER.

[@wojtekmichalski9947]

Dajcie spokój, trzeba mieć dwie pensje za to.

[@MrRada2000]

will the standart model also have the 17 liter engine option?

[@jesstill7833]

They have power but drivers inside the cab it’s a day cab not set up for long trips like in Australia where you can spend two weeks from home ..Yes they have power but not for living days on end in them ,,but the trucks seem to get pretty good

[@zaarkeru3391]

I mean, the FH are built for the European market. The yank VNL also exists. Here in europe we usually arent away for weeks.

[@ernsthammargren1899]

But, how much does it cost fully equipped?

[@MarcelvSteenbergen]

Nieuwe neus een stuk mooier dan de nieuwe mercedes neus.

[@melquiadesfurtado9863]

Why not 800hp!!??? 10hp more oh Scania 770hp, don’t make sense.

[@zaarkeru3391]

Because efficiency and emissions are more important than 20 bhp. Also, it was Scania who started the "only 10-20" more hp thing

[@deeeeeeeench1209]

Casual million forthat setup 🤣

[@Vittorio-j6z]

Too giant and heavy

[@gerardderks3758]

De camera’s zitten buiten, binnen zijn het monitoren

[@gabriellaanonim6142]

Godeavond! Dit is an mooi truck. Thomas

[@peejee1963]

They didnt make the cabin longer.....no way this will be a succes.....just the arrogance of volvo.....

[@ilkkak3065]

XXL Cabin is a bit longer. But it would be off from loading space if cabin would be longer.

[@peejee1963]

@@ilkkak3065 no, because there is that New law in europe that you can add 90 cm to the cab just for making it aërodynamic......Daf did that.....not Total 90cm because it would get too heavy. Daf xg and xg+ are about 40cm longer as usual....volvo could have done it too with this model

[@АндрейСеверозападный]

У первого полуприцепа вынос немеренный.

[@IgrejaBrasilBendito8193]

BR trans-cargas 💚 💛 💙 ❤

[@iscaria3337]

Even with the cameras Volvo is set on having the wide view below where it brings very little extra to the game. If it was the upper mirror you would have way more visibility from it. I have no idea why they have it like that.

[@maxparma7187]

Right... you do realize the stream you're seing on the screen comes from the cameras position which is still above the window?

[@Catonaut.]

that torquoise looks awesome

[@alekseybulatovsky]

внешне выглядит странно)

[@masterbeuner8964]

FH 4c 😂

[@peterfox1909]

Nice;)

[@Seventh7Art]

So how long is this rig with the two trailers? 30 meters or more?

[@ontheroadagain4773]

Max. 34.5 meters is legal in Sweden. I think this is close.

[@leopoldocollao2212]

Thanks...for video..

[@kisspeteristvan]

good luck with 2x and 3x lenght on most european roads . They would only be good to deliver to and from central hubs , after that you still need 2x 3x the trucks to deliver each carriage individually to final destination. Tractor head performance of course it's insane , but we would need an "EURO Interstate" with a few lines from Portugal to Russia , Estonia-Greece , and a few smaller segments connecting the main tracks with strategic locations, with 4-4 bands reserved for big trucks only , and with speed limits up to 130.

[@kisspeteristvan]

they are good for australia , north america , maybe china - but i don't think they would need them .

[@zaarkeru3391]

That's the plan here in sweden. Highway driving from hub to hub. A Euro insterstate would be cool, just skip russia.

[@kisspeteristvan]

@@zaarkeru3391 would be cool to see at least the start of the project .

[@MayorofDipshittery-lq7if]

Why wouldn’t you fit a sun visor to your flagship vehicle to make it look good and like the finished article ??????

[@tammo02]

Maybe because aerodynamics

[@Skelterbane69]

Probably cus the buyer will fit a custom one anyway. We like to customize our trucks here.

[@zaarkeru3391]

You have driven a FH volvo right? Every truck has a rolling down sun visor...

[@regregan6852]

Ill stick with the original FH16 750 thanks, these new ones look hideous all for 30 more hp and some inside mirrors😂

[@joakimf4868]

The Aero range is just an addition, the standard cab isn’t going anywhere and you will get the standard cab with 780hp as well.

[@Skelterbane69]

@@joakimf4868 Thank fuck for that, I want my mirrors.

[@joakimf4868]

@@Skelterbane69 you can get the Aero with regular mirrors as well, or the standard cab with cameras. It’s up to the buyer what he wants

[@andrep8287]

When did Volvo in Europe stop using 3 wiper blades on those oversized windshields? I strongly believe going back to using a 3rd wiper would be next best thing to a "Kent Clear-View Screen" as used in the Maritime industry (which obviously will never be implemented in the road-transport industry).

[@rosen9425]

Three wiper blades?? That went away 40 years ago if not more. It's not a bad idea though

[@ilkkak3065]

F model had 3 wiper blades. 1993 came FH nad had 2 wiper blades.

[@unaizilla]

the last time I saw a truck using 3 wipers was a late 90s/early 2000s DAF, and even they have moved away from that in favor of two wipers, Volvo has been using the same 2 wipers for over 30 years

[@Skelterbane69]

Our DAF (utter shite) has 3 and it does a way worse job than our Volvos and Scanias. 2 big wiper blades does a better job at both wiping and being less stuff to replace.

[@mustafahatipoglu9665]

Povur.bay.volvo..❤❤

[@no-damn-alias]

Hauling 74 tons but yes those stupid ass camera mirrors will make all the difference. Can't see shit in them when it rains at night

[@stop_lying_bro]

You can see just fine and even better at night

[@no-damn-alias]

@@stop_lying_bro until a salty water drop ends on the lense

[@zaarkeru3391]

@@no-damn-alias Just like dirty mirrors then...

[@no-damn-alias]

@@zaarkeru3391 well on a mirror one speck of dirt doesn't ruin 80% of visibility and on a mirror I can move my head to adjust my field of view if needed. On a camera one speck of dirt ruins the view for the most part, moisture in the lense is also possible and always great ;) and moving your head doesn't change the perspective. Feels very synthetic and has little benefit over very large disadvantages. The manufacturer should rather put fairing on the rear wheels as there's massive drag there

[@zaarkeru3391]

@no-damn-alias The dirt thing isn't really an issue from my experience, my issue is the lack of depth perception. I drove a test unit with both cameras and mirrors, that was truely great. Both depth of perception and a much wider angle of sight.

[@freesicily]

Big trailers and small tiny cabin. This is the care that europe politicians has about drivers...It would be nice to see something like the vnl here in europe. Especially for long distance hauling.

[@ΜΟΝΤΜΟΝΤ]

Exactly !!!!!!

[@rosen9425]

It's all about the cargo. The driver is lucky to even get paid 😆 US trucks are big on the outside but relatively cramped on the inside. It's just a living space attached to a day cab. Euro trucks are way better designed for interior space overall.

[@kristoffer3000]

Much better utilization of space than any American truck

[@ilkkak3065]

Tiny cabin... height 4m (over 13ft) width and lenght ab. 2,5m (over 8 ft) and 2,11m (6'9") standing height inside. Many of them will be on the road 24/7 or 24/5 in 12 hour shifts and drivers go home to sleep.

[@rosen9425]

@@ilkkak3065 US trucks are much better for OTR driving though. I don't get the people who accept doing that in a Euro truck

[@19774p]

Вот этот черный грузовик 6х4 хороший, остальное шлак для жарких стран.

[@loutenant9480]

European trucks surely are ugly.

[@youdontknow4264]

Volvo said reason for the design on the front was so that repositioning allowed increase size and also where customer can promote their own business

[@renelarsen6220]

I wouldn't want that blind sport in my near sight. But hey,. It's still only a Volvo

[@durmusbilgic4214]

An die Verantwortlichen von Volvo " Baut endlich mal die Fahrzeuge für die Fahrer un nicht nur für die Unternehmen " .Die Kabinen sind zu klein und eng, einfach Scheisse !!!

[@mr.torgue4768]

Wer bezahlt, der bestimmt. In Europa gehören nunmal die meisten LKW den Speditionen und nicht den Fahrern. Wer eine Longline-Version haben will, muss den Schritt in die Selbständigkeit machen und das Gespann selber finanzieren.

[@durmusbilgic4214]

@@mr.torgue4768 Wenn dumm, dann Fresse halten !