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@eyvindjr8 ай бұрын
Don't stop at octaves! You should find the key signature where your synths sound the best too.
@Pyroific7 ай бұрын
very true, a lot of electronic music is around D-F because the sub bass hits hardest at those frequencies!
@Pyroific7 ай бұрын
of course!@@tuulymusic3856
@darz_k.7 ай бұрын
Can you elaborate on that point please? Or link to some info on it?
@Pyroific7 ай бұрын
the root note of your song, try pitching everything but the drums up or down a few semitones and see what feels best@@darz_k.
@eyvindjr5 ай бұрын
@@darz_k. This is especially important for the low end. Make sure to pick a key where the lowest note of your bass line is in a sweet spot between to muddy and deep enough by changing the pitch by half steps. You can do this with all other instruments too. For acoustic instruments, the way they are played also matters.
@rymbre8 ай бұрын
I couldn't stop listening to the track previews, the way it switched to version 2 was so good. Awesome tips!
@ac341168 ай бұрын
id say the higher octave sounds more cheesy but thats maybe just me, but i agree with you that the change in octave is actually a sweet development if used together
@danny.phanmusic8 ай бұрын
yup its too good to be in this video
@allseven51778 ай бұрын
@@ac34116 I agree. The higher octave sounds more cheesy. It all sounds cheesy.
@MosheBenChaim8 ай бұрын
@@allseven5177 The music itself is cheesy.. 😂
@francisguyo8 ай бұрын
Music creation has so many secrets just like in this video. You need a lot of learning and deep understanding to create amazing music. Great content!
@ceasarsalad20558 ай бұрын
But the thing is these aren't even kept as "secrets". These things are really just naturally adapted through years of experience and one wouldn't even think about explaining this to a beginner because they wouldn't even notice themselves that this is their thought process. It's amazing really how he can teach us small things that makes a huge difference
@Nako38 ай бұрын
At the same time you can have 0 music knowledge and still create something great
@ileryon40198 ай бұрын
Bruh just learn music theory
@alexmasak8 ай бұрын
This isn't a secret at all. This is beginner level stuff that you should just intuitively know without anyone telling you
@schqrr8 ай бұрын
exacttly bro
@GuRuGeorge038 ай бұрын
Great advice. I don't make music anymore but i remember learning lessons like this the hard way through 1000s of hours of experimenting, listening to my tracks in actual clubs and stuff. Some great advice that i can give is to try to copy your favourite music, you will hit roadblocks quite quickly and it will show you what you don't know yet, so you can then search for the information more directly
@TheR6R6R8 ай бұрын
+1 This is what I do all the time. The only negative I can think of is that we have to be able to rub away the sound of the artists' we were 'studying' when the time finally comes for us to create something original. Otherwise, that's just copying.
@kantstress8 ай бұрын
ya this is the method
@volderhamer8 ай бұрын
@@TheR6R6R Although if you copy from enough people, it becomes original again.
@andyto6297 ай бұрын
Yep. Go for the sound you love. It’s pretentious to think that your track will even be compared to the Artist you’re channeling
@kantstress7 ай бұрын
@@andyto629 fr
@hertzcules8 ай бұрын
I like cheese
@michaellambert56148 ай бұрын
Okay
@py_a_thon8 ай бұрын
Everything is about context. If you mean the meme of "cheesy music", then the context is what you do with that perception. Do you make a meta joke about your cheesy bass line? Do you lean into the concept fully and make an absurdly loud 4 bar loop that hits really loud? Do you invert the concept, and use it as a way to shock the audience before the "real music" kicks in? Or do you just avoid the perception entirely, and then you know what it is that you do not want to create as music?
@unknownmusicman8 ай бұрын
Me too
@inline4forlife8 ай бұрын
@@py_a_thon 💯 even the transition here between the two versions added some interest to the track
@VOIDSTRANGER20998 ай бұрын
The cheesier the better
@ihaetschool33618 ай бұрын
another tip for aspiring prodeucers who don't want cheesiness: start out making songs in minor keys... major is arguably the hardest key to work with, after locrian. it's not easy to make something non-cheesy with it. it's also very easy to make something really happy with minor, contrary to how minor is usually described. try making a VI-VII-v-i progression, for example. in A minor, that would be F-G-Em-Am. seriously, it's a great, happy-sounding progression. try throwing in a #VII (G#CD# here)in there, too, it can add some spice to the progression, the sky's the limit here
@andyto6297 ай бұрын
It’s cool to see someone actually talking classical theory on here, especially Roman numerals
@Beyond_The_Fade5558 ай бұрын
I love how generous you are with the knowledge u give away, thank u ive been gollowing u for 5 years, and learned the most i know from this channel.
@timmeeow8 ай бұрын
I love simple tricks that you never think of despite seeming obvious. I'm on board too, sometimes when I say "finishing touches" on a project, that means I'm sitting in my editor incrementing a value in the default window then running it from the top. I know I like what I created, it just doesn't sound good yet lol Great video! The overlay information you add like "|----| subbass would sit here" is so helpful and entertaining to boot.
@aaronbazil8 ай бұрын
Those two versions could just be one section, then leading up to the next version to uplift the mood. One section alone the whole time, as far as arrangement goes, would become stale. So there's movement between sections: you start at the bottom and rise up.
@athmaid8 ай бұрын
Yeah that's a common problem with EDM imho, people copy paste too much without thinking about common methods like sequences to make a track more interesting and have it build and progress naturally
@aaronbazil8 ай бұрын
@gordonbeckgb I mean, yeah, there's a place in the world for microwave ready edm tracks, as much as there is the opposite where there are elements of actual songwriting and musicianship. I love both. If I can, I wanna marry both together, if I can, in my own world.
@yamamushi8 ай бұрын
I love these short to the point videos covering the problem and the solution in a few minutes, rather than the 30 minute videos one comes across from other KZbinrs where they have to try to sell you something at least 3 times in the video and you feel like they could have covered the same thing in a third of the time.
@Wendel_Kos6 ай бұрын
this is MASSIVE advice and a trap i used to fall for! Nexus and a lot of general stuff have no beef at lower octaves. Its much better to program lower octaves yourself and give those sounds a little space. Thanks for this video :)
@LLAWREN8 ай бұрын
not only do you give great advice, your music also sounds awesome! 🔥👏😊
@etfoltz8 ай бұрын
5:45 I love the way the lines dance to the music. They look like they're alive and enjoying it :)
@djicebreaker808 ай бұрын
That was pretty cool, thanks for sharing your knowledge about how changing just the octaves makes it’s a sweet and very uplifting feeling, more brighter
@nrXic8 ай бұрын
I make Happy Hardcore so this actually helps me make cheesier stuff. Thanks for all your tutorials, all great stuff!
@ericlemontu90998 ай бұрын
Great Stuff Z, as usual ! Thanks for your time and sharing your knowledge!
@Bluth968 ай бұрын
I like your style of teaching and sound of your music! Can you do a long form video of you just making a song so beginners can get a feel of the process?
@mattmavromusic8 ай бұрын
Such a simple but effective tip! Thank you!!
@LogicKidroy8 ай бұрын
Big Z sharing really useful knowledge.
@SunIsLost8 ай бұрын
Yep
@JulesKennedvitch8 ай бұрын
This is what I was thinking of lately ! It's amazing how this video was suggested to me at the right moment ! Great content, thank you ! And your music sounds so good !
@Maltino_Music8 ай бұрын
Great Tutorial! Can u do a Video on using Stereo vs. Mono? Where do pan certain elements and what instruments should be centered.
@hithere42898 ай бұрын
theres no rule, but to get to that point where you need no rules you first need to make your song sound strong. that means all important elements are center and additive elements are free to roam the stereo spectrum like say a shaker thats at the bottom of your mix? well you can make it go L R in a soft way to give it movement
@Maltino_Music8 ай бұрын
@@hithere4289Thanks. I Usually make Pads a bit more stereo and atmoshpere drones. I try to keep vocals, leads and bass centered and try to use the stereo for the drums (like shakers and stuff stereo). Would u agree with me when i say, that u can put ur core elements in mono, because if u do it well, every element has its own space and does not crowd the center too much? Best of greetings
@uffevonlauterbach8 ай бұрын
I don't really make EDM anymore, but the topic of production is still important, so I feel like I learned something.
@FrankHarding-g6c8 ай бұрын
Love it, this stuff is so important but so few people take the time to talk about it. Biggups!
@xxzman8 ай бұрын
Such a sick track. Great tips and sounds!
@JoeStuffzAlt8 ай бұрын
I kind-of liked the cheese, but this tutorial can be used to create cheese. Also, I like some of the EQ tricks.
@TodaysThinks8 ай бұрын
I think you shoulda started this video with your definition of cheesy. That concept seems subjective. I absolutely love both, for what it's worth. I think having it at the lower octave sounds... More solemn, nervous, or mournful. In shock. Processing. Lots of uncertainty. But version two sounds only triumphant, with no possibility that anything has gone poorly. It's almost a shame to waste the version that is that line on that octave. Is this full track anywhere online? I would love to scribble on it for funsies. Anyway I'll finish watching the video. Only halfway through... 😃
@mvricks908 ай бұрын
When the bass notes changes you may have alterations in volume thats emphasized due to the low cut. Wouldn't it be a good solution to apply a dynamic eq like soothe instead? edit: damn that background synth is really cool!
@CombatCatYT8 ай бұрын
Of course remember. It depends on the song. If you are trying to make a cheesy sounding song. Do that. Creative pursuit triumphs.
@leonhard39447 ай бұрын
2:27 I have definitely made this mistake before! Thanks for setting me straight
@deatheternal7208 ай бұрын
I did a track a cpl nights ago(for my wife as a valentines gift- it will premier on valentines on my channel rofl) where I took an 808, made one pattern, then copied it and all the mixing plugins(compressor for sidechain, util for stereo widening, and a cpl other things) and the pattern, but i pitched it down an octave for the sub, aand i put an eq 8 on the main where i made room for the sub. I also made the sub super wide comparatively.
@DisRespectoids8 ай бұрын
Right away you can tell version 2 is better because it’s a better version of the same idea, one of the big mistakes I and probably apt of people make with our music is being too into one moment and not into how to maximize what that moment represents in the best way possible, what can you add and subtract change variate etc it’s so important
@PATRICKoxoEthafulm8 ай бұрын
Man that ‘just eq it to make room for the bass ‘was something I needed to hear to get me out of the box
@hubertprieger17668 ай бұрын
Super great tip! Your advice is very helpful. Thanks so much and thanks for your great music! I like this track
@ketz_1657 ай бұрын
Happy deadmau5 vibes that was fire
@quinnobi428 ай бұрын
I could definitely tell there was something more going on in the high end in the one-two comparison at the beginning. I didn't realise that moving whole parts up or down an octave could sound so similar. I guess with the synths there's a lot of overtones so it wouldn't be as noticeable as on an acoustic instrument.
@Beos_Valrah7 ай бұрын
Acoustic instruments usually have many overtones too
@quinnobi427 ай бұрын
@@Beos_Valrah certainly, but obviously in a different way since they sound different.
@Beos_Valrah7 ай бұрын
@@quinnobi42 This is not in your initial comment, you can edit it
@elijahlucian8 ай бұрын
Your videos are the bomb. And your music is dope too
@bestlifeever12118 ай бұрын
broooo.....value bomb, great track idea too. You should do a remix contest with it
@DonaId_J_Trump8 ай бұрын
I was waiting for a super subtle change... Then the melody jumps a whole octave 😂
@keithrutherford87857 ай бұрын
If you liked this video, research the overtone series. This is the theory behind why this octave adjustment is so critical and changes everything!
@apersononurphone9207 ай бұрын
"powerful instead of cheesy" okay this guy gets it
@phillynn798 ай бұрын
Wow, nice and unforgettable advice, thanks! And great track!
@sandersonstunes8 ай бұрын
I love seeing tip on arrangements. It's too easy to get trapped in the gear or techniques of music production but at the end of the day a well written song with poor production is better than a bad written song with the best production.
@Patricia_Taxxon8 ай бұрын
this is incomprehensible. 6 minutes of... what, noting the concept of register? your initial example didn't sound "cheesy" it just had a lot of arbitrary emptiness. this isn't "why your tracks sound cheesy" its just a video of you making decisions for specific sounds in a specific track based near exclusively on vibes.
@disrespecc96787 ай бұрын
It may be incomprehensible and a video with no end goal, but going off vibes (if you have music theory) seems like it should work
@Patricia_Taxxon7 ай бұрын
yeah i already go off vibes i dont need a tutorial for that
@disrespecc96787 ай бұрын
@@Patricia_Taxxon real
@youngkizzi99448 ай бұрын
Just sooo insane ❤❤❤
@hannesjilmstad8 ай бұрын
Haven't even watched the video or listened to the demos for the new pack but I just bought it anyway because vol. 1 was the best purchase of my life
@devohnhenry58286 ай бұрын
hey big z! if its worth your time can you make tut on how you create your chords for songs. genres of piano house like MK?
@djruslanmazaev5 ай бұрын
beautiful track bro
@joewolf387 ай бұрын
I think that's the first thing you realise when you start making music. How to place instruments in "space" and "time". Like in classical music:-). (chord breakdown, layering)
@saras11508 ай бұрын
great advice!
@allans12128 ай бұрын
Each video is a masterclass 🔥
@cooloneshellchew19868 ай бұрын
Bro is the hero of my production !!!!!!
@willyp2498 ай бұрын
not many times i like the music in instruction videos but this is pretty good
@Walid.OnTheTrack67258 ай бұрын
i'm gonna watch your whole channel
@matt.mastery8 ай бұрын
Damn that song was good. And the sounds really nice. Will download
@JimijaymesProductions8 ай бұрын
If you want extra cheesy just copy and do all 3 of those octaves for that lead synth.
@Fiveash-Art8 ай бұрын
That song reminds me of the scene when Natalie Portman's character is communicating with that weird A.I alien god thing at the end of Annihilation.
@kjellbeats8 ай бұрын
fantastic advice!
@Stochholm8 ай бұрын
Are you going to publish this track soon?.. It´s amazing
@ericgoldin46008 ай бұрын
Thanks Big Z you da man!
@ypy63378 ай бұрын
Is This rule for bass for EVERY LAYER? Or it's just for SUBBASS?
@vin34218 ай бұрын
Damn son you make dem synth sound fine.
@hdslave8 ай бұрын
both sound cheesy. everything sounds cheesy to me today, maybe need to take a break from it all
@musicbycarlo8 ай бұрын
You're an OG, Big Z.
@PhazeOfficial8 ай бұрын
This track is a banger, release 🔥
@johnsignoretti40028 ай бұрын
Great tutorial!! Any future tutorials on EDM melody composition?? Thank you very much
@Paraay8 ай бұрын
Basic but extraordinarily and remarkably important 🔥
@kipchickensout8 ай бұрын
Version 1 and 2 - from "meh not my type" to "yeeeeeeeahh"
@bonkerzmusic65067 ай бұрын
Your slope is very sharp with 36dB be careful, also switch to natural phase your mix will sound better.
@tehRealPRM4207 ай бұрын
Thanks for the tip :)
@mr.g43503 күн бұрын
HEY BRO! HOW CAN I DOWNLOAD THIS PROJECT? I NEED THIS ONE PLEEEAAAASE! :)
@beantreats8 ай бұрын
really great explanation style
@threepe08 ай бұрын
Neither sounds cheesy. If version one wasn't there, two wouldn't have an impact. Neither would that hesitation to deliver on that note in version two. But I suspect you know that ;-)
@KableTdi27 күн бұрын
also you could sidechain the sub to the bass
@JulianMaea8 ай бұрын
great tips for everyone!
@Beatsbasteln8 ай бұрын
i totally forgot that this was something i learned at some point
@justinthiele59678 ай бұрын
So my two cents…bass needs to be at the sweet spot consistently. However, the synth sounded great going from the lower octave to the higher octave in the track. In fact, leaving it at the lower octave before going to the higher octave added to the excitement of the track.
@nickbatt3998 ай бұрын
Thank you I love you
@Nedvio8 ай бұрын
Awesome video as always
@mou_aissa8 ай бұрын
Nice job mate !!
@BrandNewUsername8 ай бұрын
That's why trumpets are cooler than trombones 😎
@julianmoncada67648 ай бұрын
Great video!!
@JensRefshoj8 ай бұрын
Thanks Big Z. Great advice. Any reason why you shift back to Serum again from Vital?
@meru_lpz7 ай бұрын
also the wavetable editor in both is pretty different, so might find yourself reaching for one or the other depending on what you want to do. i sometimes make/edit wavetables in serum to load them in vital, and viceversa
@proxzi8 ай бұрын
useful stuff
@goldenmushrooms488 ай бұрын
i feel like the cheesy part just got cheesier in my opinion 😂 love ur videos and advice regardless
@AstronixStudios8 ай бұрын
what software is this
@BVSISofficial8 ай бұрын
Great channel thank you
@gothicwvlff6 ай бұрын
2:14 daniel give me coffee
@alexanderperisteris81638 ай бұрын
nice track!
@mystikrebel10898 ай бұрын
really good tips !
@AlexGeek8 ай бұрын
The synths alone remind me of Jarre
@partlysimpson51548 ай бұрын
Coz they sound like modern pop music
@johnviera38848 ай бұрын
this is The Business guy!
@weakw1ll8 ай бұрын
0:55 WOAH
@matt_freund8 ай бұрын
Sweet tips man!
@mightymarlin977 ай бұрын
The added bassline and harmonies also helped but whatever
@metalyeezy8 ай бұрын
this is craazy
@jusspreyy34668 ай бұрын
what daw do you produce on?
@2cthetruth8 ай бұрын
The difference is the way you dance. Dance for me oooohhhh. 🤣🤣🤣