Bike vs Car: Ariel Nomad vs Suzuki, on DIRT - /SUTCLIFFE on CARS

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Күн бұрын

What's faster on dirt: An Ariel Nomad or a pro on a Suzuki?

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@nommchompsky
@nommchompsky 8 жыл бұрын
Its hard to care about the car when the kid on the bike is riding that thing like a legend
@mocioclistu
@mocioclistu 9 жыл бұрын
As a bike guy, yay bike is faster! However the big difference is the average driver can get in that car and do a decent time on that road. That RMZ450 would grab the average motorcyclist by the throat and punch him in the face until it needed a valve adjustment.
@bimmer666
@bimmer666 9 жыл бұрын
+mocioclistu right. Motocross racebikes are not comparable to street bikes. They want to rip your arms of, much more than any 200hp streetbike. No smooth 2-4 cylinder cruising. Instant power that will fear anybody who has never ridden one.
@electric_boogaloo496
@electric_boogaloo496 8 жыл бұрын
Lomao!!! Valve adjustment!!! hahaha!!!
@manicmute9440
@manicmute9440 7 жыл бұрын
Moral of the story, an average car driver is quicker than the average bike driver.
@YeetxBoi
@YeetxBoi 7 жыл бұрын
L Jones no he's saying the bike is too powerful for an average skilled rider or driver.. The nomad is way easier to handle right off the bat than the bike.
@manicmute9440
@manicmute9440 7 жыл бұрын
L3 - Cars in general are easier to drive fast and so the average car driver is far more capable of getting more out of a car than a biker is a bike.
@chrislaracy7265
@chrislaracy7265 9 жыл бұрын
Some comparisons are just stupid. This one was awesome, GJ Steve!
@Ktmzqw
@Ktmzqw 9 жыл бұрын
+Chris Laracy I thought the same, this was going to be stupid. Yet, it was engaging and fun! Plus i liked how non condescending Steve was about the motorcycle, as sometimes these car vs bikes videos on car themed channels are.
@takanara7
@takanara7 9 жыл бұрын
+Chris Laracy Stupid awesome.
@waynes.2983
@waynes.2983 9 жыл бұрын
in races which include classes for motorcycles and car, desert trucks, rail cars and so on, it is always the motorcycles which finish first. Races like the Baja 1000 or the Dakar Rally. Bikes are fast and they go anyplace any other machine can go.
@gbjwal1
@gbjwal1 8 жыл бұрын
Guy on the bike is seriously talented. He must have been battered by stones, too.
@Krondelo
@Krondelo 8 жыл бұрын
For real man, in person I've only seen one or two guys who can rip a bike like that.
@sciencemilitia1853
@sciencemilitia1853 6 жыл бұрын
Krondelo I race dirtbikes and I see about 100 guys every weekend who can ride a lot like that.
@alanjackbraniffmotovlog8234
@alanjackbraniffmotovlog8234 6 жыл бұрын
hes from northern ireland thats why
@johnnysage8561
@johnnysage8561 9 ай бұрын
I just watched the Jimny vs Himalayan video and that was so lackluster that it spolied my mood.. I had to come back to this video to make my day.. and still after so many years it makes my day... Best offroad car v bike video on the universe..
@TDFrcdrifters
@TDFrcdrifters 9 жыл бұрын
You hit the nail on the head with your last statement ... great video
@JasonWaterfalls13
@JasonWaterfalls13 9 жыл бұрын
Sutcliffe- the saving grace of the once glorious DRIVE channel and basically why I haven't unsubbed yet. Awesome video also.
@mynameistill
@mynameistill 9 жыл бұрын
+blackmancer wtf is wrong with you? nobody has a choice of what his voice sounds like. loved the video!!!
@blackmancer
@blackmancer 9 жыл бұрын
***** it's how he uses his voice, wtf is wrong with you? anyone can articulate their voice. do you just blurt out monotone words.
@Maverick_Van_Traveller
@Maverick_Van_Traveller 9 жыл бұрын
I have never wanted a car I don't need so badly as I want an Ariel Nomad.
@wccrispy
@wccrispy 9 жыл бұрын
+M Kefer There are cheaper options for off-roading on 4-wheels in an open cage like that.
@arkk1
@arkk1 9 жыл бұрын
look up Polaris RZR, might like that better
@abelincoln7473
@abelincoln7473 9 жыл бұрын
+M Kefer Same here man...although i i want an Atom also
@justinsane7145
@justinsane7145 9 жыл бұрын
+arkk1 Check out the new yamaha YXZ100r side by side 6 speed sequential shifter with a foot clutch
@jaycrowder3070
@jaycrowder3070 9 жыл бұрын
+Justin Sane Hell yeah dude! This thing and the YXZ would be a proper mad battle....I don't think I could bet on that one! They're both just straight up righteous hahaha!!
@Skyerzen
@Skyerzen 9 жыл бұрын
I always said "who gives a shit who's faster? as long as you have a stupid grin on your face you win!"
@themorganator
@themorganator 9 жыл бұрын
finally someone has the stones to say it on camera. You're NOT a petrolhead unless you like bikes AND cars. Great video!
@mikemhz
@mikemhz 7 жыл бұрын
I learned to drive a car through lessons in the UK (tame), then got a motorbike and learned through driving in Colombia (insane), and only then did I become a motor-head. Now I don't think I could ever just own a car, I would need a bike too, and would probably ride the bike 80% of the time.
@albertptran
@albertptran 9 жыл бұрын
I'd be too scared to ride my bike that fast next to a fast moving car on gravel.
@surelles
@surelles 9 жыл бұрын
i don't think i've seen a man more red then that guy in the nomad
@user-vd5lw1rs8s
@user-vd5lw1rs8s 9 жыл бұрын
+fuck my virgin turd cutter Then?
@vevohoeyo
@vevohoeyo 9 жыл бұрын
what a great video.. looked like a total blast on both machines. I ride back roads on a bike exactly the same and it's pure adrenaline
@ryanwolsey8843
@ryanwolsey8843 9 жыл бұрын
Glad to see Steve Sutcliffe with his own channel on Drive. Always enjoyed his reviews with Autocar and Auto Express and if this vid is anything to go by, should allow him a little more creative freedom. I think I speak for alot of guys and girls when I say 'Keep up the great work!'
@guitarsword1
@guitarsword1 4 жыл бұрын
As good as it gets. A Nomad has to be on the bucket list.
@HighwayRamos
@HighwayRamos 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a bike guy 100% but I still want that wicked little car.
@wonderbubble3980
@wonderbubble3980 9 жыл бұрын
Even if the car was faster (say, equally skilled pilots on each vehicle), the other important thing to take in to account is what the bike can do. The Nomad will handle rally like a bat out of hell, but it's not going to complete an enduro race. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing on the Nomad, I think it's amazing. But it just wasn't fair to it to compare it to a dirtbike. Honestly though I wouldn't complain if I had either. Which I don't.
@Xeil
@Xeil 9 жыл бұрын
+Steven Zettel Different applications for both of them. I don't think any machine on the planet can go as quickly in an enduro event like a dirtbike though.
@guytoob
@guytoob 9 жыл бұрын
if you're going down that path, we can say you'd survive a crash in the Nomad and be back racing the next day... not so with the bike.
@Xeil
@Xeil 9 жыл бұрын
Gayan W That's part of the risk we take when we ride, but I agree. You would be much safer in the Nomad.
@guytoob
@guytoob 9 жыл бұрын
Gnarlington sorry i was replying to Steven. Yes as you said, different machines.
@wonderbubble3980
@wonderbubble3980 9 жыл бұрын
Gayan W Gnarlington Both very true. Also, the Nomad would be more stable in snow/ice conditions. Ooooh....now I really want to see someone put some metal-studded ice tires on the Nomad and rip around a lake. Different machines for different purposes, it'd be like comparing the outright speed of a Lotus to a Veyron, it wouldn't stack up. But neither can the Veyron take a corner like a Lotus.
@craig_ramjet990
@craig_ramjet990 6 жыл бұрын
In 2000 I didn't want to drag around a 4-wheeler hunting in west Texas. I drew up a design similar to this with a Jeep 4.0 straight 6 in the back. 2 seater. My only problem, I cannot bend pipe or weld. What a missed opportunity. I would love one of these as a retirement vehicle. It would be such a thrill on gravel ranch roads in the Davis mountains.
@mullyandscullder
@mullyandscullder 9 жыл бұрын
holy heck, welcome back /Drive !
@leehaire1300
@leehaire1300 9 жыл бұрын
INSANE!!!! That is life threatening, but what a rush!!!
@lucaborgogno8050
@lucaborgogno8050 9 жыл бұрын
Well done Sutcliffe! happy to see u again!
@Doggepp
@Doggepp 9 жыл бұрын
I just made up a new sport... Take dirtbikes on WRC roads. Some gearing adjustement on the bikes, and see how fast they can go!
@weallneedlove1263
@weallneedlove1263 9 жыл бұрын
You realize different bikes have different transmission ratios, yeah?
@weallneedlove1263
@weallneedlove1263 9 жыл бұрын
+beeza copper and completely different transmissions.
@McHallfin
@McHallfin 9 жыл бұрын
Group b on two wheels?
@Doggepp
@Doggepp 9 жыл бұрын
???? and? I wasnt meaning seeing how fast their top speed was comparing to cars.And I was meaning how fast they can clear the rally stages VS rally cars. But in order to do that, gearing needs to be changed so that they have higher gearing, since the lower gear will probably not be needed as much in the bikes, since the tracks arent as tight as dirt bike tracks. Anything else?
@stubones
@stubones 9 жыл бұрын
+Doggepp It's called Off Road racing and bikes have been doing it for decades :)
@patto505
@patto505 9 жыл бұрын
Amazing closing shot. Irwin is proper nuts haha, I have to follow more MXGp.
@40ozPres
@40ozPres 9 жыл бұрын
i knew the bike was going to win, that guy is a extremely fast racer, balls to the wall.
@randomguy3281
@randomguy3281 9 жыл бұрын
Amen to gear heads of cars and bikes getting along. I never got why there is this massive rivalry, at the end of the day, it is just a human and machine pushing the limits to go faster and faster.
5 жыл бұрын
That bike pulls like a dentist
@AndrewMalkin
@AndrewMalkin 9 жыл бұрын
It was great watching the bike use the berms to slingshot itself around the corners.
@aarongraham2352
@aarongraham2352 5 жыл бұрын
Very stylish...wearing red gloves to match face👍
@coolfrost6
@coolfrost6 9 жыл бұрын
Nice video. But it's strangely dark and undersaturated, nothing like the standard /Drive video...
@Lazerus2008
@Lazerus2008 9 жыл бұрын
+Nicolai Frost -Jensen Johansen That's just Wales mate, it always looks like that.
@Lazerus2008
@Lazerus2008 9 жыл бұрын
+Nicolai Frost -Jensen Johansen That's just Wales mate, it always looks like that.
@ZepG
@ZepG 9 жыл бұрын
+Nicolai Frost -Jensen Johansen That's just Wales mate, it always looks like that.
@ZepG
@ZepG 9 жыл бұрын
+Nicolai Frost -Jensen Johansen That's just Wales mate, it always looks like that.
@chrisogrady28
@chrisogrady28 9 жыл бұрын
It has been badly graded, there are just no whites in the shots so it looks all flat and horrible. I'm sure the information is in the video files but the editor has an uncalibrated screen & hasn't paid any attention to the histogram. I bet all the shots have histogram a stacked up against the left side with no info in the right 1/3. Apart from all that the colours do look funny. I think they might have been using polarising filters to give more sky detail, but in part have muddied up the greens and browns. (I'm a photographer)
@foobar201
@foobar201 9 жыл бұрын
The background music is way too loud, i can barely understand anything.
@jimmybrite
@jimmybrite 9 жыл бұрын
+Alex Kirchgessner These are "Professionals" that offer a subscription service, you'd think that they would know about sidechaining.
@foobar201
@foobar201 9 жыл бұрын
Alex Kirchgessner I'm not hating. I want them to improve.
@omega42587
@omega42587 9 жыл бұрын
+foobar201 yeah dude its not loud. maybe something wrong with your sound system. its like 75% ambient audio and 25% music. just fine
@ackesk
@ackesk 9 жыл бұрын
+omega42587 thumbs up for profile pic '
@V1NCEVRS
@V1NCEVRS 9 жыл бұрын
THIS certainly beats auto car and fifth gears comparison tests!
@IloveCochereau
@IloveCochereau 8 жыл бұрын
Best car review ever ? Thanks a lot.
@BeamRider100
@BeamRider100 9 жыл бұрын
Amazing video guys. Hopefully I can afford an Ariel Nomad in the future, its totally radical. Graeme is amazing.
@doodlepugg
@doodlepugg 9 жыл бұрын
And still, even £50k gets you nothing like what you can get from a bike at ~£5k.
@danielpeters9125
@danielpeters9125 4 жыл бұрын
Hard to fall off a car though
@loooooopy
@loooooopy 4 жыл бұрын
@@danielpeters9125 wow what an amazing point.....i bet you're the first person to think of that
@danielpeters9125
@danielpeters9125 4 жыл бұрын
@@loooooopy yeaah i did it myself
@danielh9981
@danielh9981 3 жыл бұрын
them why doesnt everyone get a bike?
@doodlepugg
@doodlepugg 3 жыл бұрын
Not everyone has the talent, or baravery, or interest.
@Kodreanu23
@Kodreanu23 9 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. Thanks.
@johnrichardson8048
@johnrichardson8048 6 жыл бұрын
Hard to match the grip/braking power of four wheels on two! Thumbs up to the young fella on the RM! 👍🏻 good work mate. Keep on charging it and don’t hurt yourself hey? 👍🏻👊🏻
@Huli-Man
@Huli-Man 9 жыл бұрын
Great episode!
@zgcracker
@zgcracker 9 жыл бұрын
More expensive than an off-road buggy, but also street legal. If you live in the country, with dirt roads all around (and have a lot of $$$), this would be a fun toy. A Hennessey VelociRaptor is also fun. It depends how much utility you want from your vehicle.
@wotever99ninynine
@wotever99ninynine 6 жыл бұрын
wow, my favourite rally stage, my favourite sport (mx) and a sweet offroader, seriously awesome
@Cakeborb
@Cakeborb 8 жыл бұрын
I ride mountain bikes, and I was wondering why the suspension on this car looked so damn smooth and nice... then they said Ohlins and I recognized the yellow coils and it all made sense.
@reddymon
@reddymon 6 жыл бұрын
As an old cross country racer I think I could still beat the car with that bike. That kid though would eat me for lunch. Serious talent.
@Kneedragon1962
@Kneedragon1962 9 жыл бұрын
That was good, thank you. It's a comparison of bikes and cars, it's not a bikes VERSUS cars thing. The sort of people who like fast cars, probably also like fast bikes. I do.
@aSpeaker2BlocksAway
@aSpeaker2BlocksAway 9 жыл бұрын
What is the point to dislike a video like this?
@amaulana090
@amaulana090 6 жыл бұрын
3:00 "There isn't really anything like this until now" If you've never heard of a buggy, you must have been living under a rock.
@MotoErgoSum
@MotoErgoSum 9 жыл бұрын
Those fenders are looking pretty floppy. Maybe they should consider switching to some thick carbon kevlar? Bothers me seeing those fenders constantly slap against the tires. Wonder how long they'll last before they snap off.
@emilyanderson4865
@emilyanderson4865 7 жыл бұрын
they are made out of the same material as traffic cones. they made it like that so it can bend without breaking
@monsterhunterrivi6303
@monsterhunterrivi6303 6 жыл бұрын
MotoErgoSum finally someone else that said it. I'd love to see slightly wider tires. (think old school jeep wrangler, just slightly less wide) stronger, more solid flaps other than that i seriously want this little car 😂😂
@nickbelanger5225
@nickbelanger5225 9 жыл бұрын
Simple intense. Awesome vid!
@quintinlarson9499
@quintinlarson9499 3 жыл бұрын
This is why I love bikes so much, a regular ass MX bike, probably could get one for under $4k, is able to handle a phenom on four wheels
@v_alexiadis
@v_alexiadis 9 жыл бұрын
Motocross is amazing. Great video guys. And free!
@pegalis
@pegalis 9 жыл бұрын
I honestly expected more suspension travel from the Nomad. I wonder what the limiting factor is. The geometry of the suspension looks more than capable of handling a fair bit more down travel.
@zyxwvut4740
@zyxwvut4740 8 жыл бұрын
It's like watching a dolphin play with a friendly whale. :-)
@herculesrockefeller2984
@herculesrockefeller2984 9 жыл бұрын
I wish there was a 'car' version that could be driven in the rain. I also wish it was half the price.
@bbb12345
@bbb12345 9 жыл бұрын
Didn't know Sutcliffe is on Cars. Nice.
@Aireisor
@Aireisor 9 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video
@benson4u215
@benson4u215 9 жыл бұрын
sounded like a perfect day , couldnt choose between the 450 or the nomad though because I love bikes but that'd kill me haha
@prannoypinto5847
@prannoypinto5847 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video... Just a kind advice, have less background music and more plain engine noise
@Cloxxki
@Cloxxki 9 жыл бұрын
Haven't I seen this months ago? Time to take rally race cars, and compare them to this, on a stage. Good rally driver.
@raveutcars
@raveutcars 9 жыл бұрын
the inflection is back!
@wotever99ninynine
@wotever99ninynine 6 жыл бұрын
wow, that mx rider is a legend, damn he must have been getting right pelted by those rocks, brave man, and how could he even see? legend
@Morannar
@Morannar 9 жыл бұрын
What's faster on a road made for trucks? A 10k dirt bike or a 40k offroad car? Put both of them on a track which is half for bikes and half for cars and lets see.
@sciencemilitia1853
@sciencemilitia1853 6 жыл бұрын
Dirtbiker shows up to a car race track on terrain he isnt even used to... Destroys the lap record on his first day. MOTO IS LIFE
@karlporath8904
@karlporath8904 9 жыл бұрын
I find it really hard to understand. They think this is something new? Maybe for Europe, but in the US we've had these things called sand rails that have way more suspension and options of power from vw, corvair, all the way to 455 oldsmobile. New version yes, revolutionary new idea , NFW.
@BeamRider100
@BeamRider100 9 жыл бұрын
Cool video, love it.
@thepsychicpeach8425
@thepsychicpeach8425 4 жыл бұрын
I wanna see a WRC car vs either a motocross or Dakar bike would be very interesting
@Chalky.
@Chalky. 9 жыл бұрын
Ahhh I miss my old KX 500 death machine.
@ItsCriti
@ItsCriti 5 жыл бұрын
Supposedly if 6ou change the hearing on them they can hit more than 140 mph 🤔
@ruyldev8556
@ruyldev8556 9 жыл бұрын
Pardon my ignorance on this but in what ways is the Nomad different from a dune buggy?
@mike_oe
@mike_oe 8 жыл бұрын
Even in the Paris-Dakar, the bikes are sometimes faster than the (extreme) cars
@WildKarrdeGaming
@WildKarrdeGaming 8 жыл бұрын
The Nomad might be my first supercar. :)
@matmul4850
@matmul4850 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@HeyDude93gt
@HeyDude93gt 9 жыл бұрын
No hand guards on this type of terrain is CRAZY! I've had my knuckles FORCE fed rocks before, YEEEEEOOOOWZZAAAAAA! Think about it, Knees,Knuckles and chest, OUCHEYWAWA!
@Charon58
@Charon58 6 жыл бұрын
Probably a flat track bike would be even faster on roads like that. The MX bike is really designed for much rougher stuff.
@Concionator
@Concionator 9 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@TheKizzyfish
@TheKizzyfish 9 жыл бұрын
Great film!
@kaktotak8267
@kaktotak8267 8 жыл бұрын
So the suspension has 3 levels of hardness along its travel? Did I understand this right?
@mikemhz
@mikemhz 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Top cushion, main travel, and ohlin's hydraulic dampener at the bottom.
@nickamarit
@nickamarit 9 жыл бұрын
If madness = "doing something over and over and expecting something different", then I must be mad on so many levels.
@leviwrigley5260
@leviwrigley5260 6 жыл бұрын
bikes are always gonna be crazy fast like this because of power to weight and efficiency of small engines
@BrewsnBoomsCrew
@BrewsnBoomsCrew 9 жыл бұрын
mmm little suspension upgrade for the ariel and itd be an awesome dune basher
@Sumdumdad
@Sumdumdad 9 жыл бұрын
2 stroke is better... Good Evening.
@demi8344
@demi8344 6 жыл бұрын
I disagree good day
@ItsCriti
@ItsCriti 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@cockroach5717
@cockroach5717 5 жыл бұрын
@@demi8344 2 stroke 250 beats 4 stroke 450. Now, tell me... What's better?
@maxwell_r6495
@maxwell_r6495 4 жыл бұрын
@@cockroach5717 actually 4 stroke 450 beats 2 stroke 250 now tell me what’s better
@jaybeeff1
@jaybeeff1 9 жыл бұрын
If that was available as a driving experience day I'd pay good money for a go. But in the Nomad please cos I'd rather not die!
@DennisH22A
@DennisH22A 9 жыл бұрын
Not sure why people got so excited about this, you could get a UTV for 1/3 the price, Can-Am even make a turbo UTV, and its 4x4!
9 жыл бұрын
Maximum fun ! Thats an rally great car. Wanna have one :-)
@OgreMoto
@OgreMoto 6 жыл бұрын
That bike costs 13% of that car and provides thrills the car will NEVER give you.
@babyblueGS
@babyblueGS 9 жыл бұрын
Aaaaahh, brits. Saving TV as usual. (I still miss Chris Harris tho)
@TheTonicro
@TheTonicro 9 жыл бұрын
this is just brilliant
@Krondelo
@Krondelo 8 жыл бұрын
Damn that guy can really rip! (intro)
@EvanMoon
@EvanMoon 9 жыл бұрын
Ariel needs to run a stock one on Dakar Rally. And what about WRC
@Thewolf_3000
@Thewolf_3000 6 жыл бұрын
I think dirt bike is better but that car is wild beast :))
@charliedanielson6668
@charliedanielson6668 9 жыл бұрын
That style of riding would be so fun until that one time you get some bad lighting and hit something unexpected.
@westozbandogs
@westozbandogs 6 жыл бұрын
Hell of a rider !
@petermoygannon698
@petermoygannon698 5 жыл бұрын
would the airel be quicker than wrc Subaru WRX..???
@MDHenry4
@MDHenry4 9 жыл бұрын
That was so freaking sweet!
@CJONE764
@CJONE764 9 жыл бұрын
Its quite interesting considering thats a 4speed MX bike with MX tires and gearing and such and it was still 2 seconds faster than a full WRC spec car. I think if you got a full World Enduro bike with the 5 speed box and suspension and gearing etc an then stuck on knighter it would be maybe 4-5 seconds faster.That nomad looks a right laugh though.
@jessegrossert
@jessegrossert 9 жыл бұрын
epic idea but not for that money. At half the price you could put long travel suspension on a lotus 7 which would destroy that nomad. At 50k that thing should have much more to offer!
@xMRWHIPPIEx
@xMRWHIPPIEx 9 жыл бұрын
getting roosted by a quad bike is bad enough, i can only imagine how horrific getting roosted by the Nomad shooting boulders out the back of it
@Barrenchats
@Barrenchats 9 жыл бұрын
Had a mod out 1982 Yamaha IT125 that would cook all the bikes I rode with back in the mid 90's even the 250's been down gravel roads at 90MPH + many times just ask Mr Wiseco I sold it to him... :D
@mikemhz
@mikemhz 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah honestly I have both a 125 and a 180, and there's not that much difference between them. The 180 has more torque for sure, I can blip the throttle to filter through gaps like nothing, while the 125 has to rev so much higher that sometimes it's just not worth it.
@ImplyDods
@ImplyDods 7 жыл бұрын
I'm not a petrol head, I'm a speed freak. Things are changing quickly.
@cybertree
@cybertree 9 жыл бұрын
*I WANT TO MAKE THIS MY DAILY DRIVER SO BAD!* - Some carbon fiber doors. - Maybe a small heater. (I live in Alaska) - And a modest sound system for when stuck in traffic (if I don't feel like driving around the sidewalk :P, just kidding.) - And later I'll SUPERCHARGE that little 4 cylinder honda engine, so I can smoke some ricers in my offroader.
@nicegustov
@nicegustov 9 жыл бұрын
Good video.
@salmonline
@salmonline 9 жыл бұрын
I can't be the only one who wanted to see the car do that jump across the road?
@viktorrasmussen9186
@viktorrasmussen9186 9 жыл бұрын
I dont get the price, 50.000 pounds? 5:18 It sates on autocars website it is about 30.000 pounds for the base, on topspeeds website it is about 27.500 pounds... Where does this 50.000 pounds pricetag come from?
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