Crucial Tour De France Bikes: Pogačar Vs Vingegaard

[@bikeradar]

Who do you think will win the Tour? Pogačar, Vingegaard or someone else?

[@ekm3820]

Jonas will pull it off

[@fangru7294]

Tadej will have it in the bag

[@RicoveryRider]

올해는 타데이😮

[@user-yv2pb2oc5u]

Jonas Vingegaard for sure! He is the smartest of the top 3 .

[@carloshenrikk]

Pogi

[@sondrebergo]

A gear ratio of 52/10 equates to 57.2/11. As 11t is 10% larger than 10t, just add 10% to 52t as well👍

[@bikeradar]

You're right - my maths isn't as quick in the moment haha 🤣Thanks for watching, Simon

[@goixiz]

more efficient with larger rear sprockets

[@ronaldlim3774]

Love the new colour scheme for Visma bikes this year! +10 watts power 🤣

[@eboynieto2861]

Missing the most important piece in Tadej's bike: the hulk sticker.

[@frankyblue10]

On what minute?

[@Archiconocido]

To save weight.

[@pierrex3226]

The little sticker on the stem bolt, at least on my bike, is to avoid sweat corroding the bolt :)

[@bikeradar]

Could be - do you think the one on the crank bolt is there for the same reason? Cheers for watching, Simon

[@pierrex3226]

@@bikeradar no that one is aero for sure. TT people put electrical tape over all these things because it costs nothing and is free speed. One covered bolt may be nothing, but 10 could matter a fair amount at the right speed

[@bikeradar]

@@pierrex3226 Yeah, that's what I originally thought - just a 'why not' detail haha. As you say, it costs nothing.

[@Drjoyitas]

Swap for a titanium bolt.

[@StephanieHughesDesign]

Jonas' Cervelo R5 (climbing bike - love it) looks remarkably similar in geometry to the Giant TCR Advanced SL - my favorite bike. C'est parti, Jonas V. Love the Renaissance theme of Team Visma/Lease a Bike. I prefer Jonas' Cervelo R5 over Tadej's Colnago VR5s.

[@Abnsdllnnlosnfd]

I think Pogacar would win on my Cube Attain Race from 2016😂😂😂

[@bikeradar]

His forms looks so good that I think he could win a stage riding a Brompton 😂

[@maxgusatz5644]

Really good comparison, very well done, thanks.

[@l.d.t.6327]

It's totally irrelevant as Jonas is riding the S5 almost exclusively. So he compared a bike (R5) that isn't hardly used.

[@bikeradar]

Thanks very much - glad you enjoyed it. Simon

[@bikeradar]

@@l.d.t.6327 Jonas rode the R5 on a few on the big mountain stages at last year's Tour, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did the same here. That said, if you want to know about his S5, you can check out our video of that bike from last year's Tour - other than the paint job and new SRAM Red groupset, it won't have changed much, I suspect: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqiQkHduo9yXb9Usi=1KlQzBX6YpsHBMHf

[@l.d.t.6327]

@@bikeradar Thanks, I admit it's a bit early to be sure he will always ride the S5, we're only 5 days into the Tour, but it seems it's his bike of preference as for now.

[@bikeradar]

@@l.d.t.6327 Yeah, and, to be fair, I think the S5 is probably the better pick for most stages - these guys ride so fast that aerodynamic drag is nearly always the main thing slowing them down. Let's wait and see 🙂

[@SeanMaybee]

Tadej should win. Those Cervelo bikes have been great for years. UAE has done a nice job catching up.

[@nicholkid]

It's so interesting that pogacar is running 32-33mm tires. I'd love to try that. Would soak up a lot of the garbage roads here. I still have 24mm tires 😢

[@cokebottles6919]

I switched to 30/32's and they're more comfy, generally faster, more grippy, and more confidence inspiring... but I started in the age of 21/23mm tires so my brain constantly tells me the big tires are slower😅

[@JohnnySantoDomingo]

once you do it you won't go back. my local roads are some of the worst in California and going back to my other bike with 28c on 14mm internal rims make me want to throw the bike in the garbage lol. Tubeless with 32c tires...beautiful and fast!

[@nicholkid]

​@@JohnnySantoDomingowell I'd need a brand new bike to try it, I'm pretty much maxed out on my old rim brake bike. 26mm pirellis measure to 24mm.

[@toshman696969]

I use to tt on 21mm at 120 psi, now 30 at 55 it's a world of difference

[@Sweetskis]

There have been some amateur testing that shows 32c tires are the fastest size. They are definitely more comfortable. My bike fits 30c and are a world of difference from when I had 24c.

[@davidlamb7979]

If I could build my dream bike and someone else was paying for it, it would be pretty close to Tadej's bike. I already ride Dura-Ace and ENVE/GP5000, but my stuff is a couple versions older. From my experience, Shimano is in a league of one regarding precision and refinement; SRAM feels crude in comparison. I feel bad for Jonas having to use SRAM. I think Tadej gets another slight advantage with the wheels & tires. ENVE are virtually indestructible and so stable, giving a high degree of confidence bombing down descents, and they're amazingly stable in cross-winds, and the GP5000 is the superior tire, not just among the best with low rolling resistance and light weight, but also with a superior rubber compound that's grippy and forgiving both in the dry and the wet. None of the other bike tire companies can match Continental's racing R&D. Tadej has the superior bike setup.

[@tompage7394]

Reserve Rims aren’t hookless but interesting Vittoria have made a 29mm tyre to suit.

[@bikeradar]

Yes, appreciate that segment was a bit difficult to follow - I know the Reserve rims aren't hookless, but my guess is that the 29c tyres were made in response to the whole De Gendt incident (Vittoria also sponsors Lotto-Dstny), and other teams with similarly wide rims (in terms of internal width) will be adopting them for better aero performance rather than switching to 30c tyres. If we'd had some warning, I'd have contacted Vittoria to ask about it but I literally saw it for the first time just as we were about to shoot the video and we only had limited time to get everything (video, photography, social content, etc.) done before the bike went back to the mechanics. Cheers for watching, Simon

[@tompage7394]

@@bikeradar Thanks Simon. Would be great to see what Vittoria have to say about the new 29mm tyres. I run 28mm on my S5 with reserve rims and would be keen to know any benefits. Would also be great to see a similar video with Vingegaard's setup this year on the S5. Thanks for the great content!

[@bikeradar]

@@tompage7394 We'll ask VIttoria at some point and see what they say, but I suspect it's simply about complying with the latest ETRTO and ISO standards (and the UCI's directive on this) about rim width and tyre size combinations, and enabling the teams to run slightly narrower tyres for better aero performance (otherwise the teams could just use the existing 30c tyres). As for the S5, we're back in the UK now so we won't get to check that one out in persob at this year's race, unfortunately. We did see his S5 at last year's race, though, and other than than the paint job and groupset it hasn't changed too much, AFAIK - you can check that video out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqiQkHduo9yXb9Usi=jTFIlLXApV262Xax

[@nelioguimaraes276]

@bikeradar, regarding the chain the mechanics do not wash and lubricate again. Visma lubricate their chains in their Tour de France headquarters and at the end of each stage a new chain is used. The chain that has just been used is carried back to the headquarters for cleaning and re waxing.

[@ricardocamacho1627]

Great video - my understanding is the 29c vittoria’s also solve an issue common with the 28c that at sharp angles you are cornering partially on the cotton sidewall. I’ve seen riders wear them down there first. I have both tires but prefer GP5000 for reliability and rumored aerodynamic superiority 😊

[@brittle1]

the SRAM set on Visma bikes still looks a bit different than the new Red or old Force. Pretty sure Visma just gets the tip top of R&D secret groupset by SRAM

[@uhis1686]

i suppose it just doesnt have the metal details as (im guessing) they just already got those parts before they were branded that way

[@bikeradar]

The all-black chainrings are actually different than what comes on consumer bikes, to be fair - so you're not wrong in that respect. AFAIK, you can buy these oversized chainring sets separately from SRAM dealers, but they're not specced on OEM bikes and they don't come with complete groupsets. Cheers for watching, Simon

[@mcroman-superfeat]

FYI: Tadej Pogačar’s Colnago V4Rs is Prized about +- 16.000 EURO incl. his wheels ... ;) COLNAGO is a Great BIKE ...

[@eddjcaine]

They are both gorgeous bikes - Tadej’s just edges it for me though - especially in yellow!

[@OFBCyclingWorld]

I prefer Shimano so will have to go with the Pogs bike. You didn't mention crank length. Apparently Pogi has changed to 165mm.

[@Xhadp]

40-34 climb gearing for the pros is wild to me.as someone that uses a 1:1 gearing. Also wild is that is the fifth removed bike for Tadej’s first would have to be even more crazier than that. One crash on that Colnago with all those drilled out bits and fins equals kabloey so you might as well just replace the bike over do a wheel swap. Shimano power meter??? Does the team know how unreliable they are? Cervelo’s, the paint job is very lovely, shocking to see it not being talked about. Also, how long they have stayed on that current iteration of bikes. Can’t wait to see the TT setup comparisons if that is coming in the future. I feel like that is the more spicier comparison.

[@user-qx4bp5rf3n]

You should see them just 3 or 4 years ago when they rode 39-28.

[@Shadowboost]

I'm still running 34/27, 39/28. There are many climbs that I wish I had 1:1, but for the most part, I get by just fine. I did a 13% 0.7 mile climb on 34/27 and it was ok

[@elpacheco8400]

SES 4.5 = 50mm front and 56mm rear

[@user-qx4bp5rf3n]

You just take the chain off before washing and put it back on after. Rocket science!

[@toshman696969]

It's a pain don't make it sound like it's a 1 min process...literally can wash entire bike with chain in 15 min dry it apply lube and be ready for ride next day...waxing is a massive pain, 95% can't take off their pedals let alone chain

[@user-qx4bp5rf3n]

​@@toshman696969 You don't need to rewax your chain after each ride. In fact, the chain is faster after being bedded in. That aside, it's unimportant if some Joe Blow can't remove his pedals. It is a simple and easy task. Taking off your chain is also easy and simple with a quicklink. There is no excuse. Yes, waxing itself can be tedious, but that's not what this is about. But if we are going to make it about the waxing process, think about the lengths they go to for a watt here or there. This is the Tour de France not your local junior's crit. There is no reason they can not mass wax a bunch of chains. Hell, they can actually prewax them ahead of the Tour.

[@andrewlabat9963]

​@toshman696969 Huh? Most run a quick link, it's literally 30 seconds off, 30 seconds back on.. 🤫

[@andrewlabat9963]

​@@user-qx4bp5rf3nExactly.. He must be part of the chain waxing hate crew. Why comment if your gonna say clueless stuff. Pro teams have the best mechanics and stuff, so it's easy as Sunday morning.. 😁

[@redauwg911]

@@andrewlabat9963 I saw on GCN one of the teams has 40 waxed chains delivered every week.

[@perrymcguire3806]

Great video - really interesting to see what the arguably two best riders in road racing are using (and not using).

[@bikeradar]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@stuartmclean3843]

So much better at reviewing bike's than gcn, they dnt even weigh them, how can u do a bike review without weighing it

[@escamunicha4276]

The weight difference of 400 grams is massive. partially due to the tires but still.

[@l.d.t.6327]

70 grams is within the missing bike computer on Jonas' bike compared to Tadej's bike. Another 50 grams is within the heavy speedplay cleats (pedals are light, but cleats are heavy) that you have to factor in. And so you immediately ditch 120 grams of that massive difference. Above all, Jonas mainly uses the slightly heavier S5.

[@gervasebarnes]

Cervelo..always

[@GuilhermeABassi]

What about the Cranck length are they using? I appreciate your attention.

[@andrewlabat9963]

Something that the best two cyclist in the world, who account for the last 4 TDFs, both ride bikes that are more like the TCR than the current look-a-like aero bikes..

[@Shadowboost]

Jonas still rides the S5 on many stages

[@Andy_ATB]

You do know there are other cycling disciplines? More to cycling than road - or watts, w/kg......

[@andrewlabat9963]

@@Andy_ATB Uhhh.. This video is about TDF bikes and riders, so why bring in others?

[@andrewlabat9963]

@@Shadowboost Yea, but they didn't show that one..

[@maximusmiles8435]

I see these videos, and I always wonder. How long do you have to pester the mechanics to get some alone time with these bikes?

[@bikeradar]

Great question - usually we try to contact the teams via their press offices to arrange it in advance, rather than springing a surprise on busy mechanics. Sometimes, though, we just have to be patient - the mechanics usually understand that us covering the bikes is good publicity for the team, so will typically give do their best to accommodate us (and everyone else from the media) as best they can. Cheers for watching, Simon

[@MTBIKEXC]

Nice review but you didn’t mention crank length.

[@michaelgriffiths305]

The fact Visma have two bikes is significant. Appreciate there are nuances this video cannot account for but if we took the weight differential here then VRS 4 is 0.5kg heavier than the R5. If we believe Jonas to be 5-6kg lighter than Tadej then when it absolutely matters he may have another 3-400gs advantage from the bike. So to answer the question if I could have one bike to do it all I’d take the Colnago yet if the purpose is to win the Tour de France then Jonas with two bikes is better equipped!

[@11robotics]

The fact that even the best pro riders can't consistently ride 6.8 kg bikes anymoreq (let alone having to add ballast to bring them up to the legal limit like Contador used to) proves one of the many things wrong with this industry.

[@bikeradar]

I miss bottom bracket axle weights. Liam

[@bikeradar]

An excellent point

[@Archiconocido]

A caliper won't tell you the actual size of a tire. It's written on the tire sides. From there you may inflate or deflate and obviously measure will increase or decrease.

[@mracer8]

The secret to Pogacar speed is the Hulk Sticker which is not here in his training bike!

[@magnusrusty1544]

Tadej is using a 55/41 custom made chainrings. Idk where u got the 54/40 from…

[@laminarthos8211]

Did you manage to get saddle height?

[@bikeradar]

Afraid not - any particular reason why you'd want to know this? Might be something we can try to get next time. Cheers for watching, Simon

[@eamilio2136]

what is pogacar’s bottom bracket brand?

[@tolitsdterrible4785]

What I want to know is what the crank arm lengths they are using considering their difference in height. I think I'm as tall as Pogacar. 😊

[@l.d.t.6327]

Pog uses 165mm.

[@bikeradar]

Pogačar was on 165mm cranks and I believe Vingegaard was still on 172.5s. Cheers for watching, Simon

[@tolitsdterrible4785]

Whoa! Strange...Vingegaard is shorter than Pogačar, right?

[@bikeradar]

@@tolitsdterrible4785 Yes, but only by 1cm, according to Pro Cycling Stats. AFAIK, Pogačar only switched to 165s recently - he was also riding 172.5s a few seasons ago. Pro riders moving to shorter cranks is part of a wider trend, though - we made a video on it earlier this year if you want to know more: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6CWnayal92eqsksi=21YpzJK98VcnVAvj Cheers for watching, Simon 👍

[@tolitsdterrible4785]

@@bikeradar I see. Thanks a lot for the link. 😊👍

[@zoso73]

Can someone explain why Pog is riding on 33s?

[@winstonbeede9782]

I guess UAE decided that the rolling resistance benifits of a wider tire at lower pressures outways the aero losses. There is a really fine balancing act between rolling resistance and aero as well as weight so we can expect to see the tires changing between almost every stage depending on the parcour and the team strategy.

[@l.d.t.6327]

He is riding 30s, that are ballooning to 32-33s due to the rim.

[@core-i7413]

He's riding 28mm, his internal rim width is massive (25mm if I remember correctly) which causes his tyres to balloon to 33.

[@l.d.t.6327]

@@core-i7413 he’s riding 30mm. I’m riding the same tires, different rims (no overpriced enve) but also 25mm internal, and they are 30mm measured. Goes to show it depends on the rim

[@babybell5781]

Thanks for reading me the spec sheet

[@goixiz]

whats crank length of both bikes?

[@geothunder1971]

Pogi rides 165mm JV rides 172.5mm cranks

[@sativagirl1885]

it ain't the bike, it's the rider that mutters.

[@stevenkates4876]

Love E N V E.

[@AllanPhillips]

Another excellent bike walk-through. Jonas, you're busted with your illegally light bike!

[@mcroman-superfeat]

Wonder also why the NOT use Campagnolo Parts anymore ? ... Does Anyone know?

[@bikeradar]

Their equipment staff determined that Shimano was a better choice for them

[@flyingchic3n]

Absolue black promoting another scam on the pro bikes

[@nuttynut722]

amazing, does it? most bicycle journalist talk like kamala harris, most of the time they have no idea what they talking about

[@nicholkid]

I mean they must work decently well or they wouldn't be on there

[@melbexdeleon8951]

Absolute scam

[@JZTechEngineering]

Are you part of the same club that calls a supercar a scam, an f1 car a scam, because both of those things are unnecessarily expensive

[@flyingchic3n]

@@JZTechEngineering "scam" being something that promises too much to be true, costs an unreasonable amount, and probably performs the same as everything else on the market

[@ruisantos5746]

The ENVE rim depth you mentioned aren’t correct

[@nuttynut722]

and he's the one fly france to do the job...

[@l.d.t.6327]

indeed, it's 50mm in front and 56mm in the back (as of 2024 model, previous models were a bit different e.g. 49mm front and 55mm back)

[@bikeradar]

Yes, you're right - that one slipped through the net, apologies. The correct rim depths are 50mm front and 56mm rear. Cheers for watching, Simon

[@bikeradar]

@@nuttynut722 *Italy 😉

[@italia06]

Vingegaard was still on 172.5s ?

[@gopro_vlogs]

I seriously don’t get road bikes, like that shit you do to save weight, there is almost nothing to those break rotors (if I can call them rotors) on the first bike, I don’t get the pads grab because there is more hole space than rotor to grab on to

[@Paganiproductions84]

We bike would be the most fun offroad

[@a1white]

Didn’t think we’d see a bike under the UCI weight limit!

[@Archiconocido]

They are trying hard.😅

[@patrickflanagan317]

If you believe it's about the bike then you are a MUPPET, These 2 guys would still win even on My old Scott Addict R2 2008. Lance!!

[@rudyelizondo1935]

This year, Tadej will win hands down!!!!

[@JulAlxAU]

As I cannot afford either, whichever is given to me, I’ll gladly accept it; no fuss! 😅

[@user-yv2pb2oc5u]

Vingegaars is the best bike! Go Visma-lease a bike

[@hardtailheaven4060]

Where were these road bikes with 30mm tyres and mtb cassettes 25 years ago?!

[@bikeradar]

In a cyclocross field

[@petecasta9544]

2:34 do i see a little bang on tadej's?

[@bartonbronstein8121]

V4RS

[@op5055]

Is that the correct pronunciation of Bikone?

[@bikeradar]

Not 100% sure - hadn't heard of Bikone before, so had to google it on the spot while we filming. Apologies if I got it wrong! Cheers for watching, Simon

[@kovar2344]

32,6 and 33,2 mm smh, why is he riding tires wider than cyclocross limit?

[@ulrikmortensen9426]

Could be the bike for the Gravel stage

[@saddleweary2777]

I wander what psi they run

[@anthonypeterson428]

Depends on the day.

[@saddleweary2777]

@@anthonypeterson428 yea I guess a lot of factors play in. I'm really trying to find out if they are running lower. I still run 100 because I'm used to it and I feel like it's slower going low but the talk is it's faster. I run low on gravel but I just can't go low on the road. I think it's mind game more than anything else. If the pros are doing it maybe there's something to it. I just never hear what they are running and it makes me wonder. Also I still run 21 and 23 width so that would be into play also.

[@coralsaddiction4598]

Tadej bc Jonas is coming off injury

[@ulrikmortensen9426]

The weight of pogis aero bike is not very competitive

[@RayzLeeKL]

Stage 11.... Cervelo was faster by half a wheel.... 😅

[@izmael_kneafcy]

They probably just take the chain off and clean the bike bare.

[@kloppsliverpudlians88]

What sizes are both bike frames?

[@bikeradar]

Pogačar rides a size 485 Colnago (which is roughly like a 54cm bike from other brands) and Vingegaard rides a 54cm Cervelo. Cheers for watching, Simon

[@xyzct]

I've been waxing my chains since 1976.

[@stephenjohnson4742]

Absolute black claiming to have the best pads. Give them to hambini and peak torque and you will hear their most honest technical opinion.

[@stuartwalker6786]

Colnago all the way

[@mcroman-superfeat]

I think T.P. WIN IF he NOT Crashing out or something ...

[@Eirikkinserdal]

Shillin for hookless?

[@bikeradar]

Nope, just explaining what happened in that one particular situation. Cheers for watching, Simon

[@fiddleronthebike]

mathematics is not exactly a strength of your presenters?😎 "50:10 is the equivalent to 54:11 or 55:11"??? No, absolute not - it's the equivalent to 57:11 (precisely 57.2:11...)

[@niklaskristensson2231]

The Colnago + setup is way cooler...

[@nuttynut722]

a full time bicycle journalist that fly to France doesn't know Enve 4.5 basic spec....

[@stanzapalny2123]

At lest he didn't say that Conti GP5000 are 5000 mm wide

[@bikeradar]

Mea culpa - I got that one wrong, the correct rim depths for ENVE SES 4.5s is 50 and 56mm. As always, we do our best to get everything right, but inevitably some mistakes will slip through the net when we're working quickly and trying to cover lots of stuff. And just to clarify, this year's Tour started in Italy, not France 😉

[@wheelwizard8219]

Every measurements & details except CRANK LENGTHS !!

[@vanw1554]

We want to see his S5, not R5

[@janstephensss]

He wins on his R5 not S5.

[@vanw1554]

@@janstephensss I did not realize he has won any stage this year (yet).

[@bikeradar]

Unfortunately, we were only able to get access to his R5 this year, but if you want to check out his S5 then worth watching our video from last year's Tour: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqiQkHduo9yXb9Usi=1KlQzBX6YpsHBMHf Other than the paint job and a switch to the new SRAM Red AXS groupset, it won't have changed much. Cheers for watching, Simon

[@janstephensss]

@@vanw1554 I am mentioning his previous wins. The tour is still just 5 stages. Get real.

[@janstephensss]

@@vanw1554 so what now? Jonas just won a stage using what bike? The R5

[@richardstoner866]

Kinda….

[@bubby372]

Why does Tadej's bike say Richard Mille on it. LMAO

[@VinceEmond]

It’s a team sponsor

[@l.d.t.6327]

@@VinceEmond it's a personal sponsor of Tadej.

[@HeadPack]

That paint job on the Cervelo gets ruined by the decals.

[@itstrbo]

Ever notice how figure skaters dont talk about their skates??

[@bikeradar]

Yeah, that's probably because skates are boring 😉 Bikes on the other hand... Cheers for watching, Simon

[@scotts6067]

Absolute crap is a scam and hookless are a trip to the emergency room.

[@worldender_tv]

Bike weight barely matters when ur doping

[@Mandok.]

Tadej’s bike is junk, heavy, old style. The wheels are for mtb, no aero benefit also

[@a1white]

MTB wheels 😂

[@bartix5839]

its not about bikes, its about who did more EPO injections