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Skip Bayless, Michael Irvin, and Keyshawn Johnson react to a report that Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots are parting ways after 24 seasons together, six Super Bowls and 302 wins. What’s next for New England?
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@TheFacilityonFS1
@TheFacilityonFS1 8 ай бұрын
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@courtneymiller2680
@courtneymiller2680 8 ай бұрын
😳😳😳Skip Nailed this, you guys are wrong. Tom brady going in the game was not a bill bill bill bell a check decision Bella check was a defensive coordinator in charge of the defense. That was an offensive decision Also the numbers speak for themselves All the accolades you bring up of bill. You have to Bring up tom brady as well And he won a super bowl Tampa The reason the guys were not jumping off sides was because of tom brady😳😳😳😳😳
@courtneymiller2680
@courtneymiller2680 8 ай бұрын
Pete carroll won a championship in college and the pros To me that's a better coach You guys are wrong with the pecking order
@courtneymiller2680
@courtneymiller2680 8 ай бұрын
Yes, the Malcolm Butler.😳😳😳😳 His pride Spy gate That's why they shut the rams down😳😳😳😳
@LORDMEDI39
@LORDMEDI39 8 ай бұрын
Skip the cowboys can have bill Belachek as new head coach when Mike McCarthy gets fired for not making the Superbowl
@chriskim214
@chriskim214 8 ай бұрын
Michael Irvin is a great analyst and gives great insights… ESPN made a mistake letting this guy go to Fox… he’s really wise in football and in life - love hearing from him!
@johnnyhunter5994
@johnnyhunter5994 8 ай бұрын
How did they make a mistake? The best thing they did was let this cowgirl loving loud mouth clown go! When he is talking like he is on this segment he is good. When he goes to lala land talking about the cowgirls and preaching like it’s Sunday morning and he is giving his best flock fleecing sermon I turn immediately, it’s down right sickening!!
@mylessmith8059
@mylessmith8059 8 ай бұрын
Would’ve loved to see Michael interact with Shannon, whichever network it would’ve been on
@PetrodollarDealEndedSoWakeUp
@PetrodollarDealEndedSoWakeUp 8 ай бұрын
@@mylessmith8059 hang out with either of them and see that in real time
@1inchpunisher715
@1inchpunisher715 8 ай бұрын
Facts
@carlosdcpcg
@carlosdcpcg 8 ай бұрын
Whooo??? That cookie monster?
@vashthafellomen816
@vashthafellomen816 8 ай бұрын
No one wins on their own. The Pats had the formula: A great QB who doesn’t make a bunch of mistakes and high IQ. A great defensive mind who had players who would bend but not break.
@Edankin1
@Edankin1 8 ай бұрын
Now explain that to Skip Bayless, so he understands.
@smokinwitdetrimental347
@smokinwitdetrimental347 8 ай бұрын
Lol Naw, they had the elites, the owners, the commissioner, Vegas, the league and their self lifted "white goat" of a sport finally on their side. They're not playing for real cuz if they were, things would not be the way they are now and Tom Brady would definitely not have 7 rings or have the stats he has
@anthonyriordan2391
@anthonyriordan2391 8 ай бұрын
I don't know this for a fact, just my personal opinion, I think ESPN asked Irvin to really ham up his personality and I personally didn't like it. On ESPN he was loud and shouted just for the entertainment value. He's way more relaxed and authentic on *undisputed
@mclohan
@mclohan 8 ай бұрын
@@smokinwitdetrimental347you think it’s scripted? I always wondered if certain footballs had magnets in them that they could remote control. Honestly the technology is there. Or do you just think they are acting like WWE? They all in on it together to take our money?
@smokinwitdetrimental347
@smokinwitdetrimental347 8 ай бұрын
@@mclohan yes, I believe it is scripted from my opinion. There is plenty evidence to back this up. Yes they do have magnets in the ball and the poles. That's why we've seen the increase in spectacular catches and doinks. Late game situations where sensible calls you think would happen and they totally do the complete opposite to lose the game or turnover the ball. They are all in on it. That's why they get paid the big bucks. There is no way with all that money involved, they would just leave the games to chance and that's for every sport, even boxing. It is scripted and entertainment just like the WWE. Relying on storylines etc.... to keep the public amused and entertained while they make more money and pass laws and bills without us noticing
@zarka223
@zarka223 8 ай бұрын
Belichick was a good Sith. Kept order to the Galaxy for a while
@alexhawes6057
@alexhawes6057 8 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 that's hilarious
@ronalddepesa6221
@ronalddepesa6221 8 ай бұрын
"Have I ever told you the tragedy of Darth Belichick the wise?"
@brianrobinson8805
@brianrobinson8805 8 ай бұрын
Belichik, Saban, and Pete Carroll all in one year. It’s gonna be the birth of a new Era in football.
@KBreezy_
@KBreezy_ 8 ай бұрын
Don’t forget Vrabel
@jemelmay4974
@jemelmay4974 8 ай бұрын
Vrabel isn’t a legend as a coach yet.
@Abcdefghijllmnop
@Abcdefghijllmnop 8 ай бұрын
All in 24 hrs
@nechadi
@nechadi 8 ай бұрын
lmao, who? @@KBreezy_
@jsenigaglia
@jsenigaglia 8 ай бұрын
The Patriots were 7th in total defense this year despite losing 2 of their best players, have about $80M in cap space, and the 3rd overall pick of this years draft. "The cupboard is bare" - Skip Bayless.
@MrGenexxx
@MrGenexxx 8 ай бұрын
Skip: I don't want to dance on his grave... *proceeds to dance on said grave
@keithsheppardpiano
@keithsheppardpiano 8 ай бұрын
🤣
@habavdekar
@habavdekar 8 ай бұрын
That's all he can do. Water pistol Pete Jr should thank LBJ & Belichick
@davis2k1234
@davis2k1234 8 ай бұрын
More like a victory lap as he was the only one in the media who wasn’t glazing Bill giving him all the credit for Patriots success saying he was a genius who could win with any QB “Patriot Way” he turns no namers into good players etc
@buckeyebucc
@buckeyebucc 8 ай бұрын
You are soooooo right!!! Skip is simply pathetic...how Fox Sports puts up with him is beyond. I stopped watching him years ago but while on KZbin i came across this. I stopped about 45 seconds into his rubbish!! I am NOT a Pats fan but this was the most distasteful load of hog wash.
@gj5990
@gj5990 8 ай бұрын
He didn’t say any lies though
@christopherthiess3922
@christopherthiess3922 8 ай бұрын
When Brady left. It seems like the spirit of the Patriots when with him as well
@g.b.alejandro6268
@g.b.alejandro6268 8 ай бұрын
" goes with him " , pal... 😂
@stevenmcknight8429
@stevenmcknight8429 8 ай бұрын
You three are killen it...Skip...love the fellas that you have on your talk show...what great minds, with great experience, with well spoken counter-points...Just awesome!
@thorkell2382
@thorkell2382 8 ай бұрын
You gotta give bill his props🙏🏽
@lukepoe1140
@lukepoe1140 8 ай бұрын
Is this where all the Belichick clowns are hanging out? He's 84-103 without Brady, won just one playoff game in 11 seasons without him, was blown out 47-17 to the Bills in that wild card game, was outscored 72-3 in back-to-back games, and he has never even won a divisional title without Tom. He's Jeff Fisher without Lawrence Taylor and Brady.
@Pipe-Plumber
@Pipe-Plumber 8 ай бұрын
Bill did push Tom out the back door
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m 8 ай бұрын
A seismic shift just occurred in the world of football. For 27 years I didn’t just watch the Patriots, I watched what the greatest mind ever in football was going to do next. Thanks coach for all of it.
@whitemamba24xe98
@whitemamba24xe98 8 ай бұрын
Reporter: “Bill are you going to another team or are you retiring?” Bill:”Right Now I’m focused on lunchtime”
@petejablowski2123
@petejablowski2123 8 ай бұрын
Tough to see bill go . End of a great era in sports
@secularbelt
@secularbelt 8 ай бұрын
Bill needs to get less than 25% credit. If his defense was so damn good why did Tom Brady need all those game-winning drives?
@sinep8008
@sinep8008 8 ай бұрын
I agree with Skip, the only thing we really know about Bill is that he is a great defensive coach. So he does deserve credit for a good amount of wins. But, Everything else they give him credit for can also be given to Brady so it does not really help their "greatest HC ever" argument. Because many people like myself will give most of the credit to Brady for that system. When Brady left the Patriots. The free agent players chased Brady not Bill. So I believe that players only put up with Bill B's because Brady put up with it. I remember when Brady left the Patriots. Everyone in the media was saying how Bill was going to win a ring before Brady did. Because he was the reason why they were so great. That Bill turned bad players into great ones. They gave him credit for Brady turning out so good. Yet, Bill somehow forgot how to turn unknown players and or bad players into great ones as soon as Brady left. Now most of the people in the media are making excuses for why they haven't been successful. Yet he is the GM and the HC, he ran that team. If anyone is to blame for the team not having players is Bill. Bill has been a historically bad GM. People only started to realize this when Brady left. People realized that Brady hid a lot of Bill's mistakes as a GM and coach.
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m 8 ай бұрын
You do realize Bill Belichick was winning championships and went to the playoffs and won a playoff game for the Browns?
@aasompong
@aasompong 8 ай бұрын
I disagree with your POV on Belichick but I'm not going to make any counterpoint because I'm pretty sure your opinion is set in stone (as is Skip's). But you are incorrect about the media: most were NOT predicting Belichick would get another Super Bowl before Brady. Anyone that did changed their mind within three days, and picked the Bucs as the new favorites for SB LV
@sinep8008
@sinep8008 8 ай бұрын
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m bill was winning rings but that was as a defensive coordinator not as a HC. Yes he did have one winning season as a head coach with the brown's. But then in the next season he had the same record but in reverse, and got fired because of it. Bill gets credit for the Def because that's what he's good at. But he sucks at everything else especially as a GM.
@sinep8008
@sinep8008 8 ай бұрын
@@aasompong you know what you're right I forgot about that. The media did pick the buccs to win it all because of the weapons Brady had. But as soon as they had that first loss people started to change there opinion. And as soon as they started going on a losing streak that season. The whistles started to hum a different tune. That's when the "Bill was the reason they won" came out from the media.
@INeedJesus55
@INeedJesus55 8 ай бұрын
As Irv was talking I got the feeling Belichick and Saban are gonna team up.
@Benji-ig6xw
@Benji-ig6xw 8 ай бұрын
Wouldn't be surprising imagine they end up in Seattle with Pete lol
@supermariooo33
@supermariooo33 8 ай бұрын
​@@Benji-ig6xw😂😂
@erichenderson844
@erichenderson844 8 ай бұрын
This dude Skip is something else! 🤦🏽‍♂️
@smoovgee1434
@smoovgee1434 8 ай бұрын
I remember Keyshawn saying Bill was safe,earlier in the year.
@Ballislife55429
@Ballislife55429 8 ай бұрын
Bill belichek is the greatest coach I’ve ever seen & im a Vikings fan
@ifldiscovery8500
@ifldiscovery8500 8 ай бұрын
stats don't back up your argument.
@juandonentertainment7871
@juandonentertainment7871 8 ай бұрын
I Love how skip Never Acknowledges those Bill Belichick's Defenses that kept those Superbowls close enough to win.
@Dennis-nm1jm
@Dennis-nm1jm 8 ай бұрын
Patriots had the lead in all three super bowls late in the 4th quarter. Bill belichick's great defense gave up a touchdown in all three games to lose. Bill belichick's great defensive mind gave up 35 points in the second half to the Indianapolis Colts in 2006. The great Bill belichick's defense was ranked 31st in DVOA in 2017 in super Bowl 52. Tom Brady also took a 31st ranked defense to super Bowl 46.
@calebmarshall5654
@calebmarshall5654 8 ай бұрын
​@Dennis-nm1jm don't forget the rams superbowl. No team could shut them down the whole season. Bilicheck defense held them too three points in the superbowl. Also Bilicheck defense won a superbowl before brady.
@MrCorner21
@MrCorner21 8 ай бұрын
Skip, every great coach has had great players. Phil Jackson...Saban with his top recruiting classes...Wooden and Coach K...of course Bill struggled without Tom, he had Mac Jones lol
@Crawfish411-Vlog
@Crawfish411-Vlog 8 ай бұрын
"He's the next coach of my Dallas Cowboys." - Skip Bayless
@ronalddavis
@ronalddavis 8 ай бұрын
i hope not
@paulcarlin5181
@paulcarlin5181 8 ай бұрын
I could see that IF the Cowboys get beat bad by the Packers Sunday. I think anything less than making it to the NFC championship game would be grounds for Jerry to make a move.
@jimb5796
@jimb5796 8 ай бұрын
@@paulcarlin5181 I agree. I could see Belichick going to Dallas if they lose to the Packers. Dak Prescott is a good qb and the team is in great shape. Plus, Belichick is only like 15 games away from breaking Don Shula's coaching record.
@ninerfanmitch5157
@ninerfanmitch5157 8 ай бұрын
He doesn’t want to work with an egotistical owner that thinks he’s a football guru. 😂
@PetrodollarDealEndedSoWakeUp
@PetrodollarDealEndedSoWakeUp 8 ай бұрын
@@ninerfanmitch5157 correct. Because he is an egotistical guru who thinks he’s an owner. 😂
@Sandhill1988
@Sandhill1988 8 ай бұрын
And all these other players they're talking about. That played with brady would have been mediocre at best somewhere else without brady's leadership.
@ftwsam2246
@ftwsam2246 8 ай бұрын
Remember Troy Aikman said that he played a good cop, and Jimmy Johnson was the bad cop. And when Jimmy left, Aikman felt responsible for the team around him. Same thing here Belichick was the bad cop in order to keep the guys in line, and Brady was the good cop to help support the guys.
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m 8 ай бұрын
But it worked
@ftwsam2246
@ftwsam2246 8 ай бұрын
@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m exactly 💯
@BobSmith-said
@BobSmith-said 8 ай бұрын
Keyshawn always sound like he’s whining to make a point
@yyRaz
@yyRaz 8 ай бұрын
We must remember that Bill drafted Brady in the 6th round. When we saw Brady combine proformance, we all laughed but Bill saw greatness plus he didn't come in as a number one pick so he was also was developed under Bill watch as well
@theblinkerx
@theblinkerx 8 ай бұрын
Fake fans and salty media members want to rewrite history and act like this guy wasn’t directly responsible for 4 of the super bowls and pushed him out 5 years after a 6th super bowl. SMH
@_WF23
@_WF23 8 ай бұрын
You act like 5 years isn’t a long time... he’s actually RUINED the franchise, since then, & tried to ruin it, even beforehand, by benching Butler, your best CB, in the fckn SUPER BOWL.
@mumblezz__5890
@mumblezz__5890 8 ай бұрын
He pushed the guy who was responsible for 4 Super Bowls out the window. Brady won the majority of them super bowls not bill. Bill lost them 2 super bowls because he wanted to be stubborn. Benched the best corner for absolutely no reason? Come on. And he wasn’t responsible for the first 3, 2 of the 3 sure, but remember that Carolina patriots Super Bowl was a shootout and Brady scored last.
@mumblezz__5890
@mumblezz__5890 8 ай бұрын
And don’t forget bill let the rams go down and score with a minute left and Brady, young Brady went down and got them in field goal range to win. So that’s 2 of the 3 Brady was directly responsible for since I’m actually thinking about it. Bill really only directly won the last superbowl and btw the 3rd in the first 3 wasn’t because of bill either. Offense did their job and defense did their job, if anything bill was trynna sabatoge the game by letting them start scoring late.
@mumblezz__5890
@mumblezz__5890 8 ай бұрын
2014 butler saved that game that wasn’t bill or Brady. 2016 was 100% Brady. And the final one was 100% bill out coaching Sean Mcvay. Literally the only Super Bowl you can say bill won directly because of him and not Brady was the very last one. First 3 were Brady if not all 3 then atleast 2.
@RealShaktimaan
@RealShaktimaan 8 ай бұрын
​@@mumblezz__5890without Bill, there is no Brady
@daniellussier211
@daniellussier211 8 ай бұрын
First 30 seconds of Irvin talking was him wondering what year it is lol I swear this guys on some stuff hahaha
@kang7664
@kang7664 8 ай бұрын
He is on coke sometimes... especially if you look at him a few years ago
@trevorwinn5012
@trevorwinn5012 8 ай бұрын
Pretty crazy they both were coaching for the Browns in 94 !
@cactusjack2264
@cactusjack2264 8 ай бұрын
Bill Belichick is the Greg Popovich of the NFL 💯
@TheMrsoggybagels
@TheMrsoggybagels 8 ай бұрын
I’m not going to lie this new undisputed is so fun to watch! Just real ball talk
@greychannel5963
@greychannel5963 8 ай бұрын
Uhh he was fired, dude literally said I'm willing to concede the GM role or what it takes to move the team in the right direction. So yea Kraft said no let's not try to beat around the bush bill said he did not want to leave several times and was willing to make compromises so yes key he was fired.
@calebmarshall5654
@calebmarshall5654 8 ай бұрын
No source inside the patriots circle has came out and said that. Quit pushing a false narrative.
@IncognitoSprax
@IncognitoSprax 8 ай бұрын
I agree with Skip in the buyer beware part. The reason the Patriot Way was able to be so successful was because Tom Brady got people to buy in. Belichick wears down people. Meanwhile Tom treated everybody as if they were his guy, and Bill was harsh on everybody including Tom. So if Tom can take it, the mindsets is "I can take it too." There is no more Tom Brady though and we saw what happened. Mac Jones damn near had a public breakdown on the sidelines. Bill will not be able to go to other teams, teams that already have established vets, and be the same ole Bill in NE. It won't work
@MLsVoice
@MLsVoice 8 ай бұрын
Agree. If the Patriot way was so great, it's surprising that no one from his coaching tree did well.
@cooperfrederic3
@cooperfrederic3 8 ай бұрын
@@MLsVoiceMike verbal did well
@cooperfrederic3
@cooperfrederic3 8 ай бұрын
@@MLsVoiceplus there is no coach that is winning Super Bowls without the players
@Thegodholms
@Thegodholms 8 ай бұрын
@@cooperfrederic3he got fired. No superbowl
@dustinray9011
@dustinray9011 8 ай бұрын
@@cooperfrederic3wasn’t a coach under him. Just a player
@wolfwilliams
@wolfwilliams 8 ай бұрын
Belichick gets credit for winning the Super Bowl win over the Rams. That 13-3 game was a coaching masterpiece. Pete Carroll gave the Pats another trophy. But Brady did the bulk of the work in the other Bowls. Brady also gets some blame for the Giants losses. Close losses. A GOAT QB has to be the difference in close games. Eli got lucky with two all-time unbelievable catches. Tom should have put those games away before the 4th quarter. Brady 51%. Bill 49%.
@kobeplayeddefensetoo1351
@kobeplayeddefensetoo1351 8 ай бұрын
Rams, panthers, and the rams again I give Bill the credit for those bowls maybe one more!
@bentleydonovan4608
@bentleydonovan4608 8 ай бұрын
As much as think change was needed no Lombardi trophys would ever be here without Bill ! Very sad day .he molded Brady and many others ,you will always be the hoodie in Boston and the greatest coach in NFL HISTORY
@sladerider69
@sladerider69 8 ай бұрын
Agree with Skip...Born and raised in NE, Skip nailed it. Coach B was good for Tom, Tom was good for the team's success. That is how the narrative should be articulated.
@AdmiringFlamingoBirds-ke9jz
@AdmiringFlamingoBirds-ke9jz 8 ай бұрын
Michael really said something no one has on this topic ever great points
@ZTK06
@ZTK06 8 ай бұрын
Both Tom and Bill had an equal part in their success. Skip talks about Tom being clutch late in games but refuses to acknowledge Bill's defense getting stops that led to those winning drives. Also, Tom went to a Tampa organization that had another good HC in Bruce Arians and top talent on offense.
@julianmayo5650
@julianmayo5650 8 ай бұрын
No the defense didn't get stops that set them up ... In all of them .. some sure... Belichick allowed a TD on his final defensive drive in EACH of his first 5 SUPERBOWLS... Hardly clutch defense bro
@ZTK06
@ZTK06 8 ай бұрын
@@julianmayo5650 Do you give Tom credit for that SB against Atlanta? Bill's defense did step up and play good defense to get Tom the ball back. Neither guy should get 75% of the credit. Bill and Tom equally did their parts in building NE.
@captainchaosxx3866
@captainchaosxx3866 8 ай бұрын
This is why I like Skip at times because he pulled no punches in his criticism of Bill, unlike Irvin and Keyshawn who get emotional about criticism. Because its always but he did... well the disagreement i have with Skip is it can 60/40 or 50/50 because Bill did bring in the players that work and the defense was good.
@marcusparks
@marcusparks 8 ай бұрын
Does Skip have to hate 24/7? Damn!
@nathanielsmith9400
@nathanielsmith9400 8 ай бұрын
It's really just his man crush on Tom Brady. Giving Belichick due credit somehow lessen Tom's accomplishments in his head.
@bansnabs5523
@bansnabs5523 8 ай бұрын
Him and his ✡️ wife hate White ppl
@davis2k1234
@davis2k1234 8 ай бұрын
Skip just speaking facts truth isn’t hating and he gives Bill credit calls him the the greatest defensive mind and give him 25% credit which is more then I give him
@coolasice2187
@coolasice2187 8 ай бұрын
​@@davis2k1234You can't say Skip is wrong.
@coolasice2187
@coolasice2187 8 ай бұрын
Ignorant, facts are facts. Learn something today.
@chillyhendrixx3619
@chillyhendrixx3619 8 ай бұрын
Nobody ever talks about the offensive line Tom always had through the years to protect him 🤦🏾‍♂️
@bigman7570
@bigman7570 8 ай бұрын
So the Oline was supposedly top notch for 15+ years but then when Brady left all of a sudden the Oline stopped being able to protect the QB
@jerdan1645
@jerdan1645 8 ай бұрын
*search Dante Scarnecchia
@UnexpectedWonder
@UnexpectedWonder 8 ай бұрын
​@@bigman7570 Actually, it was aging. It was partially why Tom left.
@bigman7570
@bigman7570 8 ай бұрын
@@UnexpectedWonder Aging? You're talking like they had the same players on that Oline the whole time Brady was there
@tonygonzalez9882
@tonygonzalez9882 8 ай бұрын
Same as Mahomes people always forget hes had a #1-#5 oline every year except this one and now he has a sub par oline and hes magically having a down year
@azbats1
@azbats1 8 ай бұрын
Keyshawn is right, example being Shula and Marino - HOF coach and QB, never won anything together. Takes a whole team.
@Archelaus_v
@Archelaus_v 8 ай бұрын
Skip is right about Tom Brady - but Bill still deserved a lot of credit - those two wins over the Rams especially the last one were his touches. They both needed each other but ultimately Tom Brady was the system and was the Patriot way. It retired when he did - bill is still one the best if not the goat of coaches - he should just go to the Falcons and play in a weak division where he can run things his way win 8-10 games till he breaks the record.
@terminator2348
@terminator2348 8 ай бұрын
Nah. Belichick was carried by Bady, which was made evident once Tom won TB their first SB.
@runninwildwithmilwaukeebuck
@runninwildwithmilwaukeebuck 8 ай бұрын
Bill was the system
@runninwildwithmilwaukeebuck
@runninwildwithmilwaukeebuck 8 ай бұрын
​@@terminator2348Tom went to a stacked team.
@jksuzuki9350
@jksuzuki9350 8 ай бұрын
He's a great DEFENSIVE coach, you can argue goat in that role, but he's never really had the skillset a head coach needs. I think Kraft realized Belichick was a weird fit in that HC role and never knew how to unwind the mistakes they made about how to use Belichick.
@NewEnglandPatriotsDynasty
@NewEnglandPatriotsDynasty 8 ай бұрын
@@runninwildwithmilwaukeebuck A 7-9 trash can isn't stacked. Brady helped them win their first division title since 2007, and he did it as an old man. Baker is supposedly in his prime and that team could only muster out 9 wins this season.
@ibestrokin
@ibestrokin 8 ай бұрын
A superbowl appearance every 2 1/2 years, a superbowl victory every 4 years! Thats nuts!
@greychannel5963
@greychannel5963 8 ай бұрын
No it's nuts cause he didn't play and he had one guy who was the helm what was his appearances without tom
@TheGoatLocker
@TheGoatLocker 8 ай бұрын
​@@greychannel5963Best defensive coordinator ever, most overrated head coach ever. That's Bill.
@decker5032
@decker5032 8 ай бұрын
@@greychannel5963he literally had 2 super bowls before Brady lmfao casual 😂
@greychannel5963
@greychannel5963 8 ай бұрын
@@decker5032 lmao clearly you don't know football he was a d coordinator and parcels was the head coach genius also after he left the giants he was a head coach in Cleveland he did nothing and he had drew bledsoe and went 5 -11 and before bledsoe got hurt he was 2-4 so again what was his appearance without tom?
@nicolasdelgado8549
@nicolasdelgado8549 8 ай бұрын
@@greychannel5963you're clearly a hater. tom brady was picked 199 because he wasn't good in college. Tom needed bill just as much as bill needed tom. look at history and tell me one coach who did it without great players. Bill Belichick will be the first to tell you it's a players game. For every Tom Brady comeback there is a Patriot defense that didnt give up points or took the ball away from the opposite team.
@PeterJustGames
@PeterJustGames 8 ай бұрын
NO BRADY, NO RINGS
@danielevans142
@danielevans142 8 ай бұрын
gronk, the best TE of all time wasn't even mentioned. Was he also a product of Tom brady?
@marckellough529
@marckellough529 7 ай бұрын
Gronk is not brought up because nobody is trying to discredit his greatness
@kevinwilliams3599
@kevinwilliams3599 8 ай бұрын
Why doesn't anyone debate Walsh vs Montana? The Patriots were so dominant that the only knock on them is putting them up against one another.
@caribbeanradiology7004
@caribbeanradiology7004 8 ай бұрын
Because he won without him. Joe Gibbs won with 3 different QB's
@travisblair3189
@travisblair3189 8 ай бұрын
Exactly! Or Johnson vs. Aikman; Knoll vs. Bradshaw; Lombardi vs. Starr...the whole Belicheck vs. Brady thing has always been a stupid media driven narrative.
@pickettmandi
@pickettmandi 8 ай бұрын
​@travisblair3189 Thank you, its so obvious if you actually think for yourself and don't follow these corporate media narratives. They need something to talk about everyday even if there is no news.
@Docstantinople
@Docstantinople 8 ай бұрын
Lol the slide began when Tom was still there.
@bpdmf2798
@bpdmf2798 8 ай бұрын
Robert Kraft was afraid that with the 3rd pick Bill would draft a kicker. They better draft either one of the 2 big name QBs or Marvin Harrison Jr, whichever falls to them.
@davidgiles913
@davidgiles913 8 ай бұрын
The greatest coach of all time has his name on the trophy, Lombardi!!!
@blakkwolfblakkwolf
@blakkwolfblakkwolf 8 ай бұрын
So basically skip is saying, bill is trash without Tom. So Phil Jackson is trash without jordan,pippen,shaq n kobe lol
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m 8 ай бұрын
Bill is the greatest of all time. Tom added to that and visa versa.
@williambreeze2659
@williambreeze2659 8 ай бұрын
Bill is the goat coach!
@blayne9182
@blayne9182 8 ай бұрын
Key is right. Bill will be at the top of the list.
@mikeportnoy7622
@mikeportnoy7622 8 ай бұрын
Bill Belichick and Tom Brady duo was special.
@_WF23
@_WF23 8 ай бұрын
As a Pats fan, no mistake - Bill is 70 years old, even if he continues to coach for a few more years, his glory days are behind him. & I’ve seen enough, to see what he can do, without Brady - not so great.
@mattmmixes
@mattmmixes 8 ай бұрын
He needs to give up his GM responsibilities. If he went to a team with a decent GM and got to coach them he could very well win a super bowl. His poor decision making as a GM is making his coaching job harder, a self inflicted wound.
@nickthomas2429
@nickthomas2429 8 ай бұрын
@@mattmmixeshe has 6 rings as a GM, stop repeating ESPN
@Relisoc
@Relisoc 8 ай бұрын
Yeah the amount of pats fans that are delusional about this and saying it’s a mistake are ruining this….bill is still the 🐐 but it was time. Honestly more for his sake than ours.
@mattmmixes
@mattmmixes 8 ай бұрын
@@nickthomas2429 he didn’t become the full time GM until 2009, 3 of the 6 rings were won before than, having Tom Brady and himself as a coach made roster building easy. Looks what’s happened after Brady left the patriots have been consistently one of the least talented rosters in the league.
@nickthomas2429
@nickthomas2429 8 ай бұрын
@@mattmmixes he’s been gm and coach since 2000 but for sake of argument he would still have the most championships since 2009
@brakezhell
@brakezhell 8 ай бұрын
Honestly when not talking about the cowboys…this show is great
@roguen7dragon243
@roguen7dragon243 8 ай бұрын
, I know I keep saying hire Jim Harbaugh he is still my first choice. But I'm also thinking how great a paring. It would be to have Bill Belichick and Howie Roseman pair together because late. Let's face it Bill in the last 8 years. Has not drafted well. So you make sure Howie Roseman, does the draft keep the team together, get the players, and let Bill do all the coaching. That pairing does excite me a bit. I still think Jim is the answer because he's got a offensive mind, and he has a good defensive coordinator to come with him, who's gonna run a Baltimore style defense his is a lot younger, so we could have Jim for 10 or more Were as Bill you're only gonna have him maybe 10 years at the most. But we really need to go after one of them. We need an established coach. This is the year of the coach man. Have you seen free agency for coaching? There has not been this many great coaches to choose from. Eagles need new coaching new blood in the office for coaching. FIRE Nick SERIANI, no matter what happens in the playoffs, frankly, I wanna lose to Buccaneers, so we can fire him immediately. I don't like our playbook and don't think we can get to the Super Bowl we need no excuses to get a new coach when there are so many great ones available.
@donniefenwick5642
@donniefenwick5642 8 ай бұрын
Vrabel will be the next Pats coach.
@kwebster9181
@kwebster9181 8 ай бұрын
The Pats Have A Top Tier Defense. And If The Offense Was Even 50% Better, The Defense Would Have even Better Stats. They Might Be The Best Defense In The League. They Have The Third Most Cap Space In The League. Which Shows He Hasn't made A lot Of Bad Moves. They Could Fix The Offense With The Cap Space And In The Draft. Take Marvin Harrison Jr At 3. Get A QB In The 2nd Round. They'd Be Fine...He Deserved At Least One More Year.
@blakewaldrop6998
@blakewaldrop6998 8 ай бұрын
Every time playmaker talks he says about 100 words to many. He can get his point across better without rambling on lol
@kylestotler5225
@kylestotler5225 8 ай бұрын
Man it's insane , I'm 26 years old all I know is Bill Belicheck, Pete Carrol, Nick Saban etc. It's crazy seeing these guys leave when I was getting out of high school this would have been unheard of the Pat's were on top of the world
@Steventhrowsbirds
@Steventhrowsbirds 8 ай бұрын
Mike just made the biggest point ever on Tom and Bill. Without Bill putting Tom in the position to be a champ. They both made the team. Along with all other teammates that put in a championship effort. Not just Tom OR Bill. Team.
@Mr123Gladiator
@Mr123Gladiator 8 ай бұрын
K Johnson is one smart dude.
@JonKlinkel
@JonKlinkel 8 ай бұрын
Bill Belichick was in charge of everything he was in charge of with or without Brady - WTF are you even talking about? Michael Irvin seems to have taken too many hits. Keyshawn usually makes better points than Skip but not here. This is one of the FEW things Skip is ABSOLUTELY right on - with the exception that 25% is too much credit for Bill. It was ALL Tom Brady. What ALSO usually NEVER gets mentioned is how much money Bill spent after Brady left. It was unprecedented. And it didn't help. It was ALL Brady.
@NomenClatureBackup-zl3pe
@NomenClatureBackup-zl3pe 8 ай бұрын
I’m a true patriot fan from back when we lost the Super Bowl to Green Bay on a Desmond Howard return…this was a dumb move!! This ain’t college ball…head coaches are hard to come by.
@P_Sandhu
@P_Sandhu 8 ай бұрын
Skip is such a Brady fan boy that he will do anything to diminish Belicheck 😂😂
@briceticker6721
@briceticker6721 8 ай бұрын
Skip is so dumb. It was belichicks defense that beat seattle and and the rams in the superbowl. Brady obviously deserves all the credit in the world, but that shouldnt give him the right to discredit Bill
@TheSHAD0W93
@TheSHAD0W93 8 ай бұрын
Bill’s defense almost gave the game away to the Seahawks, it was the least they could do. Rams the second time around were also making mistakes but the defense couldn’t get a turnover. Patriots were moving the ball at times but made mistakes.
@SportsIslandClub
@SportsIslandClub 8 ай бұрын
@2:28 Skip thought about Shannon here likely. It’s the same thing he just went through
@miket104
@miket104 8 ай бұрын
Pathetic how Kraft and his son and the local media treated this man. He coached them to 9 Super Bowls & Won Six of them. They keep referencing we haven’t won a playoff game in 5 yrs. Playoff game it was a Super Bowl Win not just a playoff game. 5 yrs ago, 5. Bills, Jets, Miami combined yrs since they won a Super Bowl . It’s 169 yrs…169…. Miami 50 yrs 1974. Jets 54 yrs 1969. Buffalo have been in the league 64 yrs & Never Won Any. And the last Super Bowl held the highest scoring team to 3 pts. Ungrateful every one of them. Let him go like it was nothing. What a Joke….
@juangringo3906
@juangringo3906 8 ай бұрын
Think about Bill Nick and Pete on the same coaching staff. Ngl though i'd like to see em all hang it up for good and live out their retirement in peace. Theyve definitely earned it but some men are built different and just cant accept being away from their work. Regardless God Bless Em All. 🙏
@neiltovera637
@neiltovera637 8 ай бұрын
TB12 is 'Tha Patriot Way' No Brady No Way
@PVD1014
@PVD1014 8 ай бұрын
Everyone is entitled to their opinions but 99% of the time, some “analyst” or guest who has no idea what they’re talking about goes on tv or says something purely wrong and ignorant and sounds bashful and hateful. It’s embarrassing. Skip is great but has sounded ignorant when talking about Bill and most of these shows don’t know what they’re talking about and sound so bitter. Michael has always been respectful and genuine and honest that’s why I love hearing his opinion.
@brycehinton7310
@brycehinton7310 8 ай бұрын
Michael was spot on 11:25. It’s not right to slight Bill’s role in New Englands success
@mavenfrankeus7287
@mavenfrankeus7287 8 ай бұрын
"I'm just focusing on next week's ga... Whoops, did I get fired"?
@Snipeee215
@Snipeee215 8 ай бұрын
I am honestly more excited for the coach carousel this offseason, den the playoffs and offseason moves
@richardhenle2650
@richardhenle2650 8 ай бұрын
My problem with the analogy of it was almost ALL Tom Brady is what about the rest of the team, Brady was winning those games by himself, guys have to run, catch, defenses have to defend, who calls and set ups these plays? Tom didn’t sign guys or request certain players to be brought in, and the only reason Tom won in TB was he walked into a loaded team, he bailed as the ship sank. In baseball Joe Torre was called one of the BEST managers ever, but prior to going to manage the Yankees he was almost 200 games under .500? Now is that his fault or did the teams have bad personnel? Because he goes to the Yankees and they win 4 World Series, finish First in 10 of 12 seasons. Now is that because of Joe being a great manager, or the talent like Derek Jeter who was there for all of it? So this is all a back and forth but I never hear if Tom Brady didn’t have Gronkowski he doesn’t become the best QB either, so we can run this many ways.
@gj5990
@gj5990 8 ай бұрын
It’s not the same guys for 20 years. Brady was the constant on that team.
@richardhenle2650
@richardhenle2650 8 ай бұрын
@@gj5990 and the Yankees with Torre didn't have the same guys for 13 years of their run in first and second place, outside of Jeter and Rivera and Posada after that it was new guys here and there, so its a combination of a few leaders and having a coach/manager being able to figure out what piece goes where.
@luckbrown1952
@luckbrown1952 8 ай бұрын
Who Cares if he got fired or not his time was up in New England! But Bill is a Great Coach if he want another job he’ll have one trust me!
@ReyJones-fy6xl
@ReyJones-fy6xl 8 ай бұрын
I'm telling you now this man bout to go and win the next Superbowl just to show the world
@danielevans142
@danielevans142 8 ай бұрын
I guess Logan Mankins, Matt Light, Vince Wilfork, Gronk, Edelman, Troy Brown, Devin McCourty, Willie McGinest, Ty Law, Richard Seymour, Wes Welker, Slater, Adam Vinatieri (Clutchest kicker of all time), Gostkowski, Kevin Faulk, Randy Moss, Deion Brnach, Tedy Bruschi, Vrabel, Mayo, Rodney Harrison, Hightower, etc are all scrubs.
@DeuzyENT
@DeuzyENT 8 ай бұрын
If Dan Quinn leaves Dallas, and Bill came in as defensive coordinator..... Cowboys would be unstoppable....
@QuentinLassiter
@QuentinLassiter 8 ай бұрын
Eli Manning laughed at Belichick’s defense , Giants fans say thanks for the 2 rings
@jrad410
@jrad410 8 ай бұрын
You act like Eli lit up the defenses. Lol he was fortnuate the Pats dropped the picks
@kennethstone4590
@kennethstone4590 8 ай бұрын
Key “ they have to go separate way it’s run its course Skip “ thinking I miss Shannon 😂😂😂
@We90909
@We90909 8 ай бұрын
It is laughable the defense won those first 2 championships defeating the greatest show on turf . I hate the patriots but damn put some respect on his name .
@Nick-hg5nc
@Nick-hg5nc 8 ай бұрын
Skip really can go from being a good analist, to straight hater in 5 sec. What a guy lol.
@gordmorris3368
@gordmorris3368 8 ай бұрын
Skip says it like it is, they (Bill) pushed Tom out the door and finally realises hey it was Tom who won not Bill, and again Bills 30-40% win without Tom is all NE was stuck with
@FreeSociety1
@FreeSociety1 8 ай бұрын
Bill Belichick also FORFEITED an easy 45-yard Field Goal (Dome stadium) in the first Super Bowl against the Giants, and instead forced Brady to "go for it" on a very low-percentage 4th and 13 (early in the 3rd Quarter). That's a 4th and 13 against the Heavy Blitzing Giants Defense. Your supposed to take the 3-points there. So even with the magic "Helmet catch" that happened, The Patriots and Tom Brady would not have lost that game in regulation time -- had it not been for Bonehead Coaching decisions by Bill Belichick. And...as pointed out Belichick cost Tom Brady another Super Bowl win by BENCHING the Team's best Cornerback (Malcolm Butler and earlier Super Bowl hero) for the whole game! .. while just watching the Eagles torched his "Defense" (41 points) all game long handicapping the Team!! --- with no adjustments, no re-thinking personnel groupings, and leaving their best Cornerback sitting idle ON THE SIDELINES (out of spite). Tom Brady took his Teams to 10 Super Bowls, and should have won 9 of them (He won 7 -- and actually, he would have won ALL 10 had Wes Welker not dropped that pass in the 2nd Giants Super Bowl). What has Bill Belichick ever done WITHOUT Tom Brady? Let the facts speak for themselves .... Nothing! .
@frederickgale0554
@frederickgale0554 8 ай бұрын
Belichick taught Tom Brady how to cheat on at least 2 of those Super Bowl wins
@flyguygsm8544
@flyguygsm8544 8 ай бұрын
Belichick will and should go down as one of the greatest coaches of all time.... however, the debate of who was more responsible for the Patriots dynasty, Bill or Tom... Tom left, went to a joke of a team and despite one of the worst head coaches in the NFL, immediately won a Super Bowl.... Since Tom left, Bill and the Patriots have been a mediocre team at best. Facts dont lie.
@franciscozavala1928
@franciscozavala1928 8 ай бұрын
Remember 6 out of 9 super bowls great coach
@SocomElite
@SocomElite 8 ай бұрын
Personally I would choose Pete Carol over Bill although I respect both Bill had the greatest quarterback ever
@damirstekovic76
@damirstekovic76 8 ай бұрын
25 % sounds right ✅️
@JASMAD999
@JASMAD999 8 ай бұрын
Irvin stop being nice... That dynasty ended when 12 walked out the room
@daliverti
@daliverti 8 ай бұрын
I’m glad there’s two out of three sound minds here!
@Mr123Gladiator
@Mr123Gladiator 8 ай бұрын
M Irvin is one smart dude
@dwes6447
@dwes6447 8 ай бұрын
Point that Keyshawn misses is you can’t blame the lack of players behind belichick was belichicks fault because he was the GM as well
@lorenzo5408
@lorenzo5408 8 ай бұрын
I hardly agree with skip but he was right on point with his opinion
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m
@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m 8 ай бұрын
Nobody wins a championship by themselves. The Patriots had a great quarterback that didn’t make mistakes often and had a high IQ and an all time great defensive coordinator head coach with a bend but don’t break defense
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