Bill Burr Defends Jim Harbaugh Against “Ticky Tack” Cheating Allegations | The Rich Eisen Show

Actor/comedian Bill Burr joins Rich Eisen in-studio where he, a Michigan fan, rails against people calling for Jim Harbaugh’s job amid the Wolverines’ cheating allegations.
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[@BronzeLincolns81]

Every single car is on the highway speeding, and they decided to pull over Michigan. That's all this whole thing has been.

[@johnmcho]

That's not a bad analogy actually.

[@brdphl]

Very true! Go blue!

[@camstegames8437]

A better analogy is, Every car on the highway is speeding, and Michigan was doing it with lights flashing, honking the horn and rocking signs saying f* the police and now everyone is shocked they got pulled over. They deserve the punishment just for how stupid they were about it. But I can't help but notice there aren't a bunch of fans out there pointing out the buckeye or hawkeye etc. staffer that was at the Michigan game taping their sideline. You all seem certain he/she was there, should be fairly easy to spot.

[@Alex-zi1nb]

everyone is going 65 and scum is going 120

[@peterk7662]

More like some cars are going 5 over while Michigan is doubling the speed limit 😂.

[@adrianlindsay3194]

As usual Bill Burr hits the nail on the head!

[@petersuburban4869]

No. He is wrong as usual especially after Jim accepted his punishment.

[@Ray-___-]

@@petersuburban4869 you can still accept a punishment and think its ticky tack. use critical thinking skills please.

[@jodythomas4324]

Not anywhere close but try again, he just spouts silly old man logic. “Oh the Astros cheated forsure it was serious but my team? Come on, give me a break, that’s not cheating.” Love Bill Burr as a comedian but he is beyond ignorant on a whole lot of issues.

[@lukehanley4272]

Every time a non-SEC team starts kickingA for a few years, this sort of thing happens.

[@jordan12118]

The SEC has won the last 4 National Championships what are you talking about? 😂😂

[@BullMoose1858]

Kicking whose A?😂 Not Georgia.

[@NuRm69]

​@@jordan12118exactly his point, that's by design by the ncaa...they suck off the sec at every turn

[@SatansShart]

Oh so now it’s the SEC’s fault Michigan got busted cheating lol. At least you’ve moved off it being Ohio State’s fault

[@kylem6370]

@NuRn69 nah, the talent level goes from high school, to D1 football, to the SEC, then the NFL. SEC just more talented and unlike most conferences they play defense.. sadly the Big 10 can only play defense and no offense, SEC can do both very well and is just a more talented conference. When Iowa and Penn State are 2 of your top 5 teams that’s not saying much..

[@hiphopotamus69]

I’m a fan of a another big 10 team and I honestly can’t bring myself to care about this scandal

[@trevwill21]

"scandal"

[@mich9876543]

@@OneIssueVoter what are you talking about?

[@bigdog1002]

It's a pattern of illegal/unethical behavior, combined with the suspension to start the year. If they weren't winning big, Harbaugh would be on his way out the door. But winning cures everything.

[@slimj091]

I remember I used to get extremely frustrated whenever a health department inspector would show up for a surprise inspection of our family bar. They would always find and write up ridiculous things like "Dust behind bar back" or "not using approved floor cleaning chemicals". Just to write stuff up because their job was to find things wrong. And my dad told me to not fight with them because they make the rules, they enforce the rules, and they can shut you down if they don't like you.

[@SatansShart]

Or it could be that the health inspector is just looking to help you improve your facility, provide a sort of to-do list, and provide a fresh set of eyes to point out some shortcomings that perhaps you’ve become “blind” to during your day to day routine. Maybe they are letting you no of some smaller issues before some bigger ones sneak up on you. I never took the inspectors notes personally. But then again, I can’t speak to your specific health department’s approach. I do see your point you are trying make though

[@georgesouthwick7000]

Nothing makes one of these inspectors more frustrated and unhappy is not finding anything wrong.

[@Chris-ey8zf]

Perhaps you should've cleaned the dust and used approved floor cleaning chemicals then. It's not complicated. Stop being a dirty, run down bar and improve. Otherwise, go work for someone better than yourself and live paycheck to paycheck like a normal working stiff.

[@hatememyfriend3694]

​@@georgesouthwick7000or being lied to

[@40ronin1]

Michigan against the rules.

[@davidschneider6306]

Harbaugh decided it was better to spend six days a week coaching his team rather than listen to lawyers who get paid by the hour drone on.

[@Present4]

100% agree with this

[@jeremymoore7167]

the dumbest part of this whole thing is the NCAA and the NFL knows this is an issue which is why the NFL put a headset in the helmets. the NCAA would rather have the issue instead of solving the problem once and for all. every team sends scouts to watch other teams play. if your signs are obvious to someone who has seen your team play a lot of times before then it does not take einstein to figure out your signs. a bunch of crybaby nobody people that do not even deserve the right to even take the field with michigan are just bitching and making excuses for why their teams suck.

[@SatansShart]

So by your logic, it’s ok steal stuff from neighbors’ yards and patios because having barrier fences are against code?

[@donnywilderness]

@@SatansShart not the same dude

[@SatansShart]

Yes it is the same. Substitute stealing teams signs illegally for stealing neighbors’ stuff illegally, and substitute allowing fence installation in yards for allowing communication device installation in helmets. Not sure why that’s going over your head

[@hatememyfriend3694]

Radio frequency can be intercepted and Bluetooth can be hacked then relayed just as easy, when you have these huge universities with deep pockets to fund the best technology. Bring back the huddle offense.

[@chronomasakari]

By your logic, because you have once broken the law, a law everyone breaks regularly, like jay walking, you should go to jail for 6 months

[@nickheidenfelder5488]

It’s funny that no one can just admit that Michigan has developed into a great football program. People assume that it’s all because of sign stealing. Michigan turned their program around and people go right to cheating. What about other teams that completely turned their program around in a short time? Case and point the Arizona Diamondbacks. 2 years ago, they had 110 losses. This year they made the World Series. 2 year turn around. Nobody thinks that’s a little sketchy? The point is, Michigan is a great team, they didn’t get there by stealings signs. It’s called developing a program

[@brdphl]

Bill Burr is right. Harbaugh pissed someone off in the NCAA. And OSU thinks they own the BIG 10 and no one else is allowed to win. It’s going to be epic!!!! Watching Ryan Day’s reaction after they lose again this year. The BIG HOUSE is going to be wild!!!!

[@brdphl]

Also every big program cheats, including OSU.

[@hayfieldhermit9657]

Beat Penn state in front of 111K of their own fans, without our coach, and without their signs...... You know who knows we don't need your signs to beat you? 111k Penn state fans, that's who.

[@SatansShart]

Just look at the numbers Harb before Scallions: 68% winning% 0-5 to rival Getting beat by 3-4 scores by rival 2-4 season with no one in the stands in 2020 On verge of losing job Harb since cheating scheme: 96% win% 2-0 vs rival winning by multiple scores Lose to TCU without being able to cheat Contract extension talks Beating Vegas’ spreads at a red-flag rate

[@loganerb3952]

Lmfaooo well considering there is a clear line of demarcation of when the stealing started and when Michigan “became” such a power 😂. It’s clear to anyone with a clue what happened… Harbaugh was going to get fired and only kept his job by not playing OSU in 2020 and taking a 50% pay cut. After that season they magically turn the program around and have 2 undefeated seasons… Hmmm that’s very interesting 🤔 and convenient timing. Matt Weis hacks OSU practice footage from 2021 leading to an FBI investigation… Venmo records and receipts show Stallions and other staff members attended 30 some games over 2.5 years in which some games he had tickets to both sidelines. There is video evidence of him on the sideline of a CMU game from this season 😂 The best part about all of this is that you and even Michigan the university itself admitted they broke the rules 😂😂😂… you’re just trying to down play it by saying every one does it or it’s not that big of an advantage. To which I can say well if it’s not that big of an advantage then why did they develop a borderline million dollar operation to do so and broke numerous long standing NCAA rules if it’s not that big of an advantage. And second if everyone does it then how come your university is so dumb that they are the ONLY ones to get caught 😂… also just because “everyone does it” doesn’t mean you don’t face serious consequences for your illegal actions

[@1TotalJabroni]

I just love all the Ohio folks who swear up and down that this is the only reason Michigan won the past two years. I don't want to get too cocky because I do think Ohio State's defense is better prepared for Michigan, but I don't think their offense will be able to hang. But if Michigan does what I think they will do in a couple weekends, it's going to rival the 2021 game in terms of sweetness of victory. And I just NEED to see that fanbase in meltdown mode again. They'll be crying about Michigan cheating again, they'll want Ryan Day's head on a platter, it'll be glorious chaos.

[@neuralbrew2976]

C. J. Stroud is likely the NFL MVP as a rookie. The fact the UM 'beat' him twice with mediocre players when he had receivers like Marvin Harrison, Garret Wilson is the best evidence that cheating was the reason. How can anyone hold Stroud and Harrison to 3 points in a half unless they cheat? Also, UM got beat by a bad TCU team because they didn't scout them.

[@dylanwesley3964]

​@@neuralbrew2976you act like michigan didn't have an elite defense during those years.

[@andyfamas]

@@neuralbrew2976how did Patrick Mahomes lose to baker in college? Yeah you don’t know ball

[@gregajm]

Yeah, like the year when michigan had the best defense in the country and they went on The Revenge Tour" LOL Remember goldilocks claiming how nasty the tour was gonna be?

[@Crackdealerfr]

@@neuralbrew2976 as an OSU fan you clearly don’t understand how schematics and matchups work in football.

[@georgesouthwick7000]

I would be very surprised if every top 25 division I NCAA football program isn’t doing the same thing Michigan is being punished for.

[@CorePathway]

They have guys in disguise on the other team’s sideline? Copium much?

[@Makers745]

@@CorePathwayyou’re the reason this trial by media crap works

[@CorePathway]

@@Makers745 Not much of a denial, sunshine.

[@Makers745]

@@CorePathway sunshine? No I’m not bright you’re just dim

[@SJ-lu5hp]

​@CorePathway whoa when did that happen?

[@hayfieldhermit9657]

B1G coaches sharing Michigans signs with other B1G coaches can attenpt to cause Michigan to lose every single B1G game.....and thats legal. But if Michigan tries to steal signals to win their own games thats cheating...... So stupid.

[@drewblue1164]

Don’t forget the coaches share with each other the stolen signs in advance. This is the EXACT SAME INFORMATION IN ADVANCE but just from a different type of source. ZERO competitive advantage!! This is just losers that can’t take losing anymore to Michigan.

[@Quakerman14]

Then why do it?

[@martinmartins7703]

@@Quakerman14 so you can clutch your pearls when your soft squad loses by 3+ scores for the third straight year.

[@Quakerman14]

@@martinmartins7703 so cheating then. Got ya

[@hayfieldhermit9657]

Yeah, but if you're not part of the cool guys club, then you get left out of the coaches sharing.... And BTW the coaches can share signs to beat an opponent over and over again. That's worse than just stealing signs to win your own game...

[@SatansShart]

No it’s not worse. It is legal. Why break the rules if they didn’t need to? The cognitive dissonance of the UM fanbase is impressive

[@IamBIGuUS]

The signs they're stealing are on giant laminated placards with multiple teenagers holding them up like ring girls for boxing. These may be the easiest signs to steal of all time. Would it have been legal if they just watched the tape and wrote down the signs and then the play run in the film room? So the phones are the problem? Or the people they sent to games who they would've sent anyway for scouting? Completely asinine

[@SatansShart]

Well then why did they send people to so many games, spending the time and resources to do this whole scheme? Your argument just supports the opposing point

[@Quakerman14]

You really aren't paying attention

[@monkeyman9856]

@@SatansShart they didn’t send people to games. Connor stallions payed people in other states to go to the games and record them. It isn’t some huge scheme that harbaugh knew about. The ncaa and big ten haven’t found any proof that any other coaches knew about the extent of Connor stallions sign stealing. Again, the team didn’t send people to the games.

[@anttikettunen8601]

Sending people to film the game from opposing sideline real time is something that goes too far imo. If you can do the "stealing" from your own sideline, that's just good stealing. But filming from other side real time? That's just too far.

[@SatansShart]

@monkeyman9856 Oh ok so they were not “sending” scouts to the games bcuz the scouts didn’t travel from Ann Arbor. That’s rich lol. And Harbaugh had no problem with a low level staffer being attached to both AC’s hips during the playcalling. He never asked “who the F is he? Why is he talking to my ACs while they’re calling plays? How does he know all the signals of all the teams?

[@oak71]

I am not even a Michigan fan and I think this is blown way out of proportion.

[@brdphl]

The only people that care about this thing are OSU fans and Paul Finebaum and every other SEC bag holder.

[@chadgendron5425]

This is facts.

[@bevil4aday]

I liken this to two people getting into a fist fight. One shows up with a knife, the other flees and comes back with a gun. The one with the knife throws up his hands and yells "whoa whoa whoa, that's cheating!"

[@eleiaandsteven]

My goodness. He was trying so hard not to use bad words. 😂 did you hear that huge hesitation close to the end? 😂

[@johnmcho]

I never understood this. Stealing signs during the game is ok, but not if you go to other games. Watching film on teams is standard practice, but don't look at the sidelines. I understand there is a line somewhere, like don't bug the locker room or break in and steal a playbook. I just don't understand the uproar over this accusation.

[@cammcnamee1592]

It’s Michigan and it’s Harbaugh.

[@Shanks1233]

There is a rule that they broke. Sign stealing during the game is ok per rule. Easy.

[@alejandroincali]

So you just blindly accept any rule that’s been imposed on you no matter what? I think his point was that if that is the rule, it’s a really stupid rule. If they broke it, they should pay some consequence, but let’s figure that out first. And then, more importantly, let’s actually think about whether the rule is a smart one or not

[@coolguy48457]

@@TwilightsDreamAngel but you can scout any source of film you can find, its perfectly legal to review the thousands of hours of different angle game film to steal signs in advance. you just cant do it in person, but if some random fan post random slideline footage to youtube its free game....thats what makes it stupid, 50k + fans at every game, you dont think scout teams are using fan footage to steal signs?

[@herchelleonwood7463]

the haters can't beat Michigan on the field..this is their best option.

[@beauxcarroll8348]

In a sport that violates the rules of picking, and holding almost every play. A sport with a motto of, "If you ant cheating you ant trying hard enough." I find it funny when they complain.

[@georgen5882]

Even more ironic is that I can guarantee every other high profile, top 25 team and then some actively do this or have done it within the past 2-3 years. With all this money on the line you think those other top teams are like "Oh my, we would never do that." BS, plain and simple. They are all vying for a competitive edge however they can get it. It doesn't make it any more right or wrong, but you are a fool if you don't think this behavior is widespread.

[@beauxcarroll8348]

I agree. @@georgen5882

[@dharrison9221]

Cheating isn't "against the rules." Getting caught cheating is against the rules.

[@kurhof0]

With all the talking heads in the sports media getting their talking points handed down to them from someone in an office who signs the TV contracts with sports leagues. This was a breath of fresh air. This is by far the best analysis on this who situation, from a comic non the less. The best comedians are the ones who just spit facts. How did we get to a point where good comedy is just someone standing there telling the truth.....

[@adamcoe]

some would say that's what great comedy has been the whole time

[@Mgoblue2486]

Burr is right on the money.

[@brentj.peterson6070]

Its gonna be EPIC watching Ryan Day's postgame presser after losing to MICHIGAN's INTERIM head coach 😂 What's the excuse this time buddy?? Michigan is just the better more talented team. Cannot wait!!

[@myfistsbleed]

If Michigan loses they'll say it's cuz their coach wasn't there.

[@terrydizzydude4087]

@@myfistsbleed Sure, but you did not answer the question.

[@myfistsbleed]

@@terrydizzydude4087 Yeah if OSU loses this year then it would minimize the impact of the cheating scandal and the rivalry would be back. For a while there I was starting to think Michigan was just a basketball school.

[@myfistsbleed]

@@davidclick5344 Haha, I hope if they win he calls em out on the sign stealing scandal.

[@YoMama_Said]

​@@myfistsbleedAn OSU win depends on how much Day convinces the commissioner to pay the refs.

[@brdphl]

The whole idea that you are allowed to steal signs during the game but can’t do it any other time is DUMB!

[@terencelucas4524]

It kills me how everbody accuses the whole team of cheating when the details and evidence points to one person, so if one person in your family does anything criminal thats makes everybody in your family a criminal?

[@bluemystic7501]

That ONE person was a low level staffer, obviously he shared that information with the folks that call the plays.

[@mich9876543]

@@bluemystic7501 I forgot you where there. You have first hand experience with this issue right? Or you just don’t like Michigan. Cry cry cry! That’s all you have

[@bluemystic7501]

@@mich9876543 Are you 5 years old?

[@coolguy48457]

@@bluemystic7501 ah, so if your cousin robs a bank, and loans you 500$ you should have known that money was from a bank robbery then? You havent watched a single Michigan game have you? If you have you would have seen that the way they adjusted plays was not outside the realm of a normal sign stealing operation, a scout team only deciphers the signals, the coaching staff doesnt use that information until the data proves reliable in game, this is why you see halftime adjustments as the game goes on.

[@bluemystic7501]

@@coolguy48457 Well Michigan fired Conor and Jim has been suspend, obviously some rules were broken. It'll be interesting to see what the NCAA finds.

[@ramennoodlelover]

This wouldn't be a problem if college does what the NFL and even Highschool does, which is put headsets in the helmets. My brother played highschool football 15 years ago and they had headsets. Why doesn't college just make the change already.

[@anonymousNine]

Because then how else could coaches steal signs?

[@DiamondEubanks]

They won't because there's a warranty on the helmets. A damn warranty is why they will not get the headsets in helmets 🤦🏾‍♀️🙄

[@sugadeeification]

Great points!

[@chrisajr1994]

It’s kinda like the Trump indictments, a witch hunt perhaps!

[@jimrice4699]

Per Alan Dershowitz book "get Trump" we now have "get Harbaugh".

[@Strollmanx]

His wife is a Wolverines fan.

[@jam1870utube]

College football needs to transition to NFL system, in which all the plays are called to the QB through radio/speaker in their helmet. This system would eliminate any chance of sign stealing.

[@julianc6863]

Im pissed at Harbaugh for caving. This has now allowed any conference to do this BS in season. Man o man. If Ohio St loses to them without JH what a embrassment

[@danabuch324]

In the case of the so-called "inflategate", if you studied any physics at all then you probably understand what is called "the ideal gas law". There are 3 components to this law. The vessel size (that would be the football), the gas amount (that would be the air in the football), and the temperature of the vessel and gas. If you change the temperature, the pressure in the vessel/football changes. If you increase the temperature, the pressure in the vessel/football increases. If you reduce the temperature, the pressure in the vessel/football decreases. The pressure in the football went down due to the fact that it was filled to the prescribed pressure in a 70+ degree room but was then taken to a 40+ degree cooler field. The pressure went down because of this, ipso facto. The NFL commissioner and most of the general public are unaware of such things so emotions and ignorance take over. In this instance no one cheated.

[@jimrice4699]

Similar to the petit Mr. Pettiti believing that player safety is a key concern in spy gate?

[@818SFV]

I knew he would have a strong argument against it.

[@tiger38able]

Nailed it bill!

[@alanbeckham9093]

In the midst of refugees flooding our border, prices beyond a two income household, and another world war one bombing away, we are supposed to CARE that some coach broke a rule? I'd prefer that Harbaugh, Michigan AND the NCAA as a whole would disappear. And take Jerry Jones and Deion Sanders with them.

[@matthewsanders6499]

Spoken like a true Patriots fan.

[@djhart25]

Spoken like a true hater

[@wrblfa5236]

When are you going to identify Uncle T. Any connected UM reporter should be able to find out with one phone call. The IRS would probably like to know as well. Lots of cash with no expense accounts?

[@ChiefCedricJohnson]

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

[@MaAndy-nn5mj]

MiCHEAgan laughs at Astros? I lost my words.

[@itz-luigi1210]

Exactly

[@jasonite]

Preach Brill!

[@Rauchaea3100]

0:57 did Brockman really just say ‘unconfirmed’…

[@jamezbrian4135]

Ohio S = tattle tales, completely afraid of Michigan

[@TheHellkapRides]

Here's my question, have we actually seen any video?

[@gavinvalle5653]

Harbaugh's punishment is ridiculous. You're not supposed to pay attention and notice what other coaches do???

[@mikeses4392]

Is it possible that Harbaugh pi$$ed some people off with his recent recruiting classes? He is taking some great players away from other teams….

[@CorePathway]

Hahahahahaha, have you seen the recruiting class rankings? That’s the issue - they are playing above their talent. Wonder why?

[@mikeses4392]

@@CorePathway Like the did at Penn state last week??? Oooooooooops!

[@CorePathway]

@@mikeses4392 Penn State hasn’t been Penn State since showering with boys is now frowned upon.

[@Nite2012Mare]

So I'm assuming they asked this guy if Harbaugh knew. .what he said is pretty important both ways. WTF is going on here? No evidence but a punishment and they accept it?? 😳😳

[@bmorg5190]

Of course he has to accept it.. he is the head coach and is responsible for everything including the crap. He doesn’t know that is even taking place. It’s not like he can just not accept it and show up to the next two games..? he already has one down and that went just fine. He’s got to be saying he’s only got two left and that’s it. Get it over with so he’s good for the postseason.

[@Nite2012Mare]

@@bmorg5190 then why the restraining order request AT ALL???? I am so confused by this.

[@Makers745]

@@Nite2012MareI agree, something happened today that doesn’t make sense

[@jimrice4699]

Makes sense to me. This message is quite buried, let's see who reads it. I am going to throw gas on the fire, Buckeyes, light your torches. I got carried away. This was fun. LOL. BTW, I think when Stalions resigned he may have refused to cooperate with the NCAA (if so, likely under legal guidance). Thus, they may not have been able to interview him, but I would think the NCAA would have access to his University owned technology (computers, emails, etc.). I agree that in terms of the overall pro's and con's and what is at risk (post-season games), the decision to "drop the TRO" makes sense. M beat Penn State, demonstrating the Maryland game likely isn't at risk. Although now that the Maryland game is behind M, it is obvious that Michigan, and especially JJ was not sharp in that game - actually not sharp in either game. The JH suspension might be a M motivator for the OSU game. However, I think the team would play better against OSU if Harbaugh was actually in attendance as coach. Especially given the soft offensive performance against Maryland, I suspect that M might under-perform in the OSU game without JH coaching. By way of background, after M's early season self imposed 3 game suspension ended even QB JJ and other players stated in interviews that JH's absence was an issue for them. A HC at a big school runs a staff of at least 200 people. Under NCAA rules, beginning in January 2023, the HC is deemed responsible for anything happening under him. That is a new NCAA rule that does not exist in the Big Ten rule book, which is one of the reasons why Michigan reasonably objected to the Big Ten's original findings levied directly against JH (to levy those findings, the commissioner "lifted" the NCAA rule and incorporated them into Big Ten rules when it had no authority to do so - this was no accident and showed bias, IMO). Here is an analogy I just thought of... If a mural artist is painting a Buckey on a wall in Columbus (LOL), but instead of buying approved buckeye paint colors from reputable sources, they steal some of the paint from somewhere else - a) some of the paint is improperly sourced and b) some of the colors have a bit more "pop" than the branded approved colors. Like work done in the past, the finished product is amazing and consistent with the painter's skills, training, reputation, etc. The painter is happy because they might get more big jobs as a result of how good the mural looks. The manager of the manager of the manager that hired the painter is happy with how the mural looks. Is the manager of the manager of the manager that hired the painter liable for the paint theft / paint color rule breaking? Under NCAA rules beginning this year the answer is "Yes". Under Big Ten rules the answer is "No". I agree that a low level employee whose responsibilities actually include reviewing film as well as watching the opponents sidelines to decipher signals, could potentially exceed their authority in terms of advance scouting and the HC very well would not know. Hopefully most folks are aware by now that every big team has such an employee, as well as many volunteers engaged in that activity. In this case, apparently the employee's lifelong goal is to have the HC's job. If the employee cuts corners to "look good" it is reasonable to conclude that the employee is not going to say, hey, I used questionable sources to verify some of my deductions. Or, (if this is the case) it is reasonable to conclude that the employee is not going to disclose that "of the multiple sources I used for film clips I put on the shared server, one of them is from a questionable source..." It would also be reasonable to find that the employee wants to look as capable as possible and isn't going to divulge sources that might not reflect well on them. Most of us who worked in large corporate environments or smaller operations know folks just like that. Of course, after due process, the NCAA might find that JH was involved and / or knew of the scheme. However, THE PUBLIC DOES NOT KNOW YET. Technically, as written in the Big Ten rules, it is very questionable whether or not the Big Ten has the authority to levy a penalty against JH at this point due to several impediments in its own bylaws. Big Ten authority is a longer discussion, but anyone that wants to actually be informed can probably download the NCAA rules and Big Ten rules, then listen to Rick Hoeg of Hoeg law for a legal de-construction of what the words in the rule mean. The head of an administrative organization can often act somewhat unilaterally without due process, but in the Big Ten bylaws there are written guidelines limiting what the commissioner can do once the NCAA has initiated an investigation.... The NCAA does seem to be "out to get Harbaugh" so IMO it will likely take some liberties in how it approaches this. Dropping the TRO in exchange for an understanding with the Big Ten that it will stand down (honoring its own bylaws henceforth), seems like a good trade that most likely clears a path through the CFP. Dropping the TRO does not necessarily suggest liability especially when balancing the decision against the risk of random (unexpected) judicial rulings, PR, and operating under what appears to be a biased administrative process in exchange for reducing team distractions and a potential clear path to the CFP. For fun, I'm going to throw some napalm on the fire: There is also the "little detail" that Big Ten rules, as actually written, do not actually prohibit in person same seasons scouting of "opponents" if the person scouting is not an employee. It can also easily be argued that non-employees can film games in person from their stadium seats with their personal devices. Who is stopping you, or me, from doing so? It is also obvious that fans, boosters or whoever, can and do communicate with a football program and offer their insights. All of that is obvious; or should be. Especially if none of these scouting activities are funded by the University it can easily be argued that the University did not engage in the activity that the independent 3rd parties participated in. Note that thus far a FOIA request shows that CS did not submit expense reports for reimbursement of advance scouting activities. If CS did not engage in [or fund with University money] direct "in person same season scouting of opponents" then the debate is the connection between the non-employee and the entity that is governed by the rule book. An argument can be made that under that scenario, it is not a prohibited activity. The rule book does not prohibit a non-employee 3rd party from filming a game....meaning you and me or anyone else.....and by extension then the rule book cannot prohibit a non-employee 3rd party from offering insights or findings from that 3rd party's game attendance to other teams. Sorry, haters, it just doesn't. It might seem "wrong" to do so. And maybe it should be, but it does not appear to be a rule violation. In fact, I would bet dollars to donut holes that Alabama, Georgia, OSU, etc., have received credible insight from fans, graduates, boosters engaging in "same season in-season scouting". I'll even bet that those schools have provided insights gained from "in-person same season advance scouting" to the "opponents of their opponents" with the objective of improving their own standing. The only "surprise" would be if those teams and others had NOT received credible insights from advance in season scouting of the respective team's future opponents. Note: some of these "independent 3rd party" boosters might be prior players, including QB's, prior coaches. I'm looking at you Urban Meyer.... With a logical and dare I say "open minded" assessment, it is possible that now we are potentially just debating the "degree" of the activity and responding to the volume of the PR uproar. And yes, it does matter if "everybody is doing it" because the rule book doesn't say that some teams can do "it" a little while some teams cannot do "it" more. Pile on. LOL. @@bmorg5190

[@bradylang3038]

Notice that the only people siding with Michigan are literal clowns?

[@brandonriddlesprigger8754]

He's telling the truth about the colts...

[@steelcitysteve8794]

Stealing signs is a skill Spoken like a pats fan lmao

[@jonnyg7612]

The funniest part is that they keep blaming OSU when it's been debunked... FKN cowards...

[@gheller2261]

Rich, you are simply wrong in saying "that's not legal." There is absolutely nothing in the rule that prohibits sending non-members of the coaching staff to games and nothing in the rules prohibiting non-staff members from recording things and sending those recordings to a staff member. None. If one wants to call it a gray area, fine. But the letter of the rule was not broken. The only potential violation is if it is confirmed that it was Stalions on the sideline of the CMU-MSU game. And the one time something like this was reported regarding a Baylor coach the violation resulted in a half game suspension for that assistant. A half game!!

[@Shiloh48187]

What planet are you from. Every team is looking for the edge. Michigan did it and got caught. End of story

[@jimrice4699]

I agree.

[@Frozen_Bean]

Bill burr the voice of reason :)

[@cbreezy1322]

Well Damn! He defended Michigan so now I have to buy his Star Wars action figure 🤦🏽‍♂️😁 I've been saying the same thing since the sh*t started. Why cover your mouth like they can read lips across the field. Some of these basketball games they have a camera IN THE TIMEOUT! Ok u can cheat a little bit, what we do for ratings doesn't count, and we decide when if we think u cheated too much. Here's 2 signs for free 🖕🏼🖕🏼

[@scratchpenny]

Right on. It's all meaningless entertainment. People make way too big of a deal about this stuff. These sports are filled with arbitrary rules.

[@patricklavelle4615]

Bill is full of it. Harbaugh gave us Kaernick then skipped town to try and ruin college football.

[@christhornton1785]

How does this guy know everything for sure? Perhaps if he has proof of all this he should share it with everyone else. It would either finish the investigation or crank it up more.

[@greggibson33]

Sorry Bill.... your take is already not aging well. 😆

[@jasonboness3871]

This will not age well.

[@alvinrozon2687]

Bill you're the best comedian of your generation.

[@brandonwoundpickups]

Bill doesn't know the details nor does he care. That's why he's an awesome comedian and not a rules expert. Love ya, Bill!

[@mich9876543]

Lol or he actually knows the game, cause he’s a fan, and knows how little signs matter

[@bmorg5190]

So, where in Ohio are you from Brandon? 🤫

[@SatansShart]

If signs matter so little, why go to such great lengths to obtain them illegally? Why try to decipher them? Why disguise your own from from opponents? Why change them up multiple times throughout the season? Why implement electronic communication in helmets? C’mon man

[@Salty_Balls]

Bill Burr also defended Fauci. He defended him and then added "I don't know anything, I just turn the TV on every couple weeks and do whatever Fauci says". He's been reprehensible ever since.

[@stevenvox6549]

Harbaugh was suspended for games early this season for lying to the NCAA, and now he's suspended for 3 more games for cheating, but won't tell it to a judge - because that would be lying. It's not a laughing matter. It's time he moves on down the road. . .

[@DB-gr7ch]

Oh no...another "ticky tack" firing! When when these people just accept that absolutely nothing happened here?? Bwa ha ha hah ah aha

[@kellyhomhack6840]

So what happened to the part where Jim said he’s going to be like Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men? If I’m not wrong I would fight to prove my innocence. Crawling under the BG10 legs!

[@gessnermatt]

If you want to be a cheater you must be in the cheaters club. If you want to go about it the honest way you won’t be around here long. Thank the lord their are intellects who can “thread the needle” between these 2 mad ideologies.

[@MrSufiankassam]

Can someone tell bill that his red Sox did the same thing in 2018?

[@notoriouseagle1074]

No, that never took place.

[@jasoncraft2135]

If this doesn't seem like the sports version of Trump, I don't know what does.

[@mich9876543]

Love bill!

[@peterk7662]

Cry more Billy boy 😂😂😂

[@johngarynavida]

Non-Issue tbh.

[@sixtiesguy593]

CHEATING IS NEVER OK

[@buckerine]

I agree. And this wasn’t cheating.

[@OfficiallyOrca]

I understand Rich is a fan and alumni but at some point, we gotta call a spade a spade.

[@coolguy48457]

Lets call all spades spades then, not just the spades you lose to. And lets not pretend a 2 of Spades is the same as the King of spades. The problem I have with this whole ordeal is the know nothing internet experts that just declare that this level 2 violation is the worst scandal in CFB history, and 3 seasons of wins should be vacated, and THEY KNEW EVERY SINGLE PLAY in advance yada yada yada...its all a bunch of crap.

[@SatansShart]

Yeah man, his amount of homerism is disappointing, but at least it’s not as bad as Des Howard. I used to have some respect for Des (to the chagrin of many of my fellow OSU fellow fans) but the past couple yrs he’s become unbearable. No attempt at hiding is bias even slightly. I suspect with Eisen it’s either bcuz he doesn’t want to hafta eat crow for all his smack these past couple of cheat seasons, or perhaps he wants to keep his show a UM safe space

[@OfficiallyOrca]

@SatansShart Howard is the worst. Lol, I feel bad for him. As I'm sending you this reply Jay Harbaugh has been linked to the money trail and an LB coach just got fired. I'm sure Rich or Desmond will deflect but the gig is up already.

[@williamallen7984]

Whining about changing rules and forgot about the tuck rule I guess 😂

[@buckeyeg4888]

They stole that game from the raiders

[@dghumphreys10]

Spygate similar to Watergate? Jim is taking the fall like Nixon being the fall guy.

[@dpmFIVE]

Bill Burr has a classy wife.

[@nikitavanhoose405]

I find it hilarious that Michigan steals some signs, and people want to say this crazy 15-0 national championship season is bogus. On the other hand, almost every college football fan admits that winning at this level is mostly about recruiting and getting the talent and speed, and depth of talent. I bring that up to put a giant microscope on Alabama and Nick Saben and his supposed, "Goat" status. It is a proven fact they gave players gifts like new Dodge Chargers, throughout that entire dynasty run. They don't even try to hide it anymore. Hell Nick Saben owns the dealership where all the cars came from. I'm not exaggerating, like all 22 starters on that dominant 2009 team had brand new Chargers. If we can admit that winning in college football is 90% recruiting, if not more, then I argue that Alabama's cheating is way worse then sign stealing. I've had former players admit to me that they were given new cars to commit to Alabama, and they told me that their car wasn't even in their own name, it was in Nick Saben's name lol.

[@mrcivics6311]

Michigan didn't break any rules!!!! Michigan had to bend because the BIG10 already showed that they will work with other BIG10 teams to break their own history and culture to get to a desired outcome. It's 100% legal to do what Michigan did. The rule is no in person scouting and Michigan wasn't IN PERSON. Is it legal-adjacent? maybe. The video argument is wrong too. The video rule is only for in-game use which means you can't use video and call down to the sidelines during the game to steal signs. Explanation: They made a rule against in person scouting....why make a rule about video use in a game you already shouldn't be at. Common Sense!!!!! The video rule is about in game.

[@jimrice4699]

Agree that there appears to be a legal argument in favor of what you say. This is definitely NOT a major crime. It appears to be a gray area, by a renegade, done without the knowledge or support of leadership. On a related note, the Big Ten appears to be over stepping its authority in an attempt to "Get Harbaugh". If folks would familiarize themselves with the actual details and try to set aside partisan hatred that might help. But haters gonna hate.

[@SatansShart]

If it had been OSU who was exposed for cheating instead of UM, would you still be grasping at straws to defend their actions in the same way and still with too many exclamation points?

[@DB-gr7ch]

And just like all "ticky tack" things, this one just keeps getting stickier and stickier.... "Uncle T." supplied the cash to pay for flights and tickets....for this totally nothing that didn't happen. Bwa ha ha ha

[@lawrencevatalaro6215]

As a Michigan alumni for the past 50 years. im Harbaugh was suspended twice this year and now the firing LB coach represents lack of organizational control. NCAA is not done with punishment of my Wolverines Jim Harbaugh should be fired or he needs to resign As always, Go Blue

[@jm12green31]

Hey Bill I'm glad your wife flipped off Trump

[@brdphl]

This whole thing is just dumb. Bring in headsets, have the technology put into helmets. End of story.

[@Chris-qh5tz]

Bill Burr based as usual.

[@kearlanventures]

“Everybody cheats” - yeah, even without proof, that’s prolly the best Michigan* can do at this point for that forever tainted program at this point….

[@scratchpenny]

Dude, every major college football program is tainted. And so is everything else. Not that it's right morally, but cheating is the way of the world. What do you think corporations are doing every chance they get? They bend and break the rules/laws all the time. It's just about not getting caught or being held responsible. Our government leaders also do it, and they are the ones who make the laws! Burr is right. Michigan got caught in this case, but it doesn't mean they are the only ones cheating. Anyone who has been alive for a while knows that our entire society is filled with bad behavior and corruption.

[@jracer7189]

It’s not sign stealing it’s illegal scouting is the issue. There also under investigation by the FBI

[@philfeist2127]

Trump 2024

[@hunterburk]

Michigan fans (including Rich) are like “Bill Burr thinks it’s ticky tacky therefore it’s no big deal” Of course Bill’s kind of a Michigan fan and he wants to be chummy. Everyone overlooks the fact it’s not so much about stealing signs as it is sending scouts to the opposing team’s games. If that wasn’t a big deal, everyone else would’ve flown scouts as well but it’s defined in the ncaa bylaws as being illegal. How flagrant the punishment should be us not up to me or you. I don’t know.

[@marklittle8805]

Sending scouts to games as opposed to watching game film? The NCAA has a lot of stupid rules. This is proof

[@mattsmeltzer3041]

U don't have to no wat the sign means to understand wat changes are made. It is funny though

[@sunnyside9273]

Of course a Pats fan labels cheating allegations as ticky tack.

[@Kmaitland89]

It ain't cheating. This was total BS

[@JJCaez]

Of course someone with sense has a sensible take -- fixed it for u

[@richardclark1127]

Love the fake outrage, keep it up

[@ryencollins3417]

no big deal.. then why do it, then deny it, then cover it up, then fire the guy in charge of it, then have the fired guy release a statement saying jimmy was totally clueless about his "no big deal" actvities?????? lol 🤡's

[@darrenc5896]

I think you need to check your statement, Michigan never fired Connor to begin with. Resigning is not being fired, there's a difference from voluntary and being forced out. And if you cheated in your company would you just come right out and say yeah I did it, know you wouldn't so don't sit there and think you're the bigger guy.

[@zeeshanzeeshan9239]

This channel would defend every Michigan sin

[@samuelbaker3252]

Bill and Rich, why did mi settle if there was nothing to see here😂😂😂😂

[@josephallen8044]

Because the big 10 is a private corporation, they have their own rules. The courts don't have much to say about their policies.

[@jimrice4699]

Well said.@@josephallen8044

[@golfbuddy1969]

So everybody does it, but Harbaugh didn’t know it was going on. Which is it? You are allowed to steal signs during a game, but not in advance and not videoed. And if Michigan was innocent, what is there to lose by fighting it on Friday.

[@jimrice4699]

What is to loose is "Michigan is not fighting it on Friday". Michigan was hoping that the judge would be convinced to intervene in a private dispute. That is always a crap shoot. I remember professor Dershowitz (famous Harvard law professor and attorney) saying, he won cases he thought he would loose and lost cases he should have won. At this point, Michigan might have felt it was better off taking 3 games NOW than gambling against other outcomes later. This is because they already. beat Penn State, they are confident in beating Maryland, so only the OSU game is at risk. And Moore has proven himself. And Harbaugh will only be missing for 3.5 hours on game day.

[@golfbuddy1969]

@@jimrice4699 but the suspension wasn’t going to be worse if they lost on Friday…there’s another reason…a big reason.

[@georged8644]

The judge assigned to the case was a Michigan graduate who then graduated from the Michigan Law School, where he is a lecturer. Oh, and he was a Michigan football player. They dropped the case despite having all of that going for them. That is a pretty clear indication of just how afraid of the case going to trial that they really are. They know exactly what they have done.

[@golfbuddy1969]

@@georged8644 that’s the “big reason” right there.

[@BigDelFromThe_O]

Defend Connor Stallions

[@mooseclamps]

Fan of team famously caught cheating by recording opponents signals, defends team caught cheating by recording opponents signals. shocking

[@notoriouseagle1074]

Every team in the NFL did that.

[@camstegames8437]

"Maybe gives you an advantage on 1 or 2 plays" is the least persuasive argument. If it wasn't a pretty big advantage....why did they do it?

[@darrenc5896]

I think all this is just to make this level of football relevant again. If Michigan wasn't winning like they are this wouldn't have even ever came up. Someone's kid probably got benched because he sucked and had to learn and the parent got mad. And look at all the revenue and sales how it has sored across the league compared to previous years. I think it's all a bunch of crap and just a setup for more money.

[@4Life9ers]

Stealing signs is legal in ncaa during game day reason why coaches cover their mouths. It illegal to in person scout at games outside of game being played

[@jimrice4699]

Illegal for an employee to in person scout....if it is not an employee than they are by definition not scouting an "opponent". Perhaps that is a gray area, but grayness matters.

[@anonymousNine]

Not true at all. Other coaches and team analysts are slinging out opponents signs to eachother every Sunday and are pretty open about it.

[@dave2042]

Bill is a patriots fan ofc he’s cool with cheating

[@notoriouseagle1074]

Except the Pats didn't cheat

[@benbred79]

Bill burr is hilarious n I disagree with him a lot. But he's correct here. Every team has a guy who is tasked with figuring out opposing signs. Now did michigan go to far? Absolutely.. should they be punished? Absolutely. But punished for what exactly? At this point all we know is in person scouting of multiple games. But that's not it. N even if the conf. Takes no further action they still have the ncaa to deal with n after burger-gate they won't let this slide. So there will be more punishment to come. N what bothers me the most is I feel the kids are paying the biggest price here n I doubt any of them knew or had any hand in it. Then u have the ncaa rush to announce the investigation bc anonymous source at osu leaked it early....then every leaked update the whole time came from anonymous osu sources. Tgat alone bothers me n looks like a hit job. N lastly if teams were warned as early as last yr that mich had their signs.......which are changed constantly then it still doesn't explain why umich keeps blowing everyone out. But now that mich has returned to its roots.......n I mean rolling over for the BIG not the smash mouth style.......idk my feeling is even tho we saw problems on the right side of the o line last week.....rhey won't b fixed in time for osu....n Moore will run every play n cost these kids the chance they worked so hard for. Then mich will cry n say we do things the right way here just like always while osu beats a coaches team. I'm sick of it all. All teams cheat period....just most don't get caught n if they do not much happens. The school let these kids down n I'm very irate over that.

[@Caba-Rojo]

Trump 24’ !!!!

[@OhNoTwisted]

Here is your problem. About 3 years ago, people were ready to let Harbaugh go. Michigan was seen as a disappointment that could not compete with Ohio State. Suddenly in 3 years, Michigan has gotten much better and is a top 5 program. Weirdly, things magically started fixing themselves right around the time the cheating started. This sounds like the steroids argument all over again. The idea that you don't need to cheat or it is no big deal or everyone else does it, is counterbalanced by the fact that someone DID it. People don't do things for no reason. There was clearly a benefit (in this case fixing things in 3 years and suddenly becoming a destination for coveted recruits) or they wouldn't have spent the money & time, much less taken the risk. They did, because it did benefit them. In this case vaulting Michigan over Ohio State, and putting Michigan in the top 5 - vs where it was 3 years ago.

[@Chris-ey8zf]

It's almost as if the recruiting classes were better the last 4 years. Mind blown

[@OhNoTwisted]

@@Chris-ey8zf That's the point. If you cheat, and thus win more, you get better recruits. But it certainly is odd how the moment the cheating starting, Michigan magically righted itself by winning more...and so attracted better recruits. Sounds like all that cheating paid off. Which is the problem.

[@Makers745]

You attributing all of that to (allegedly) having a slight advantage on stealing signs is just crazy

[@OhNoTwisted]

@@Makers745 IS it a 'slight' advantage? That is a lot of flying around, sending people out in disguises and then taking all that risk on for 'slight' advantage. And since the timelines of the start of the cheating and the sudden improvement in winning almost line up perfectly...it almost looks like a severe advantage vs a 'slight' one. Remember the steroids argument was the same. It only gave them a 'slight' advantage. Turns out that was a lie, there were massive advantages.

[@chadgendron5425]

Stupid analogy. Teams improve year after year if they get the right coaches and players. Random case in point, Kansas Jayhawks are 7-3 this year & have been an improved football team over the last couple of years. From 2010-2021 they won a total of 23 games, not a good average. Then in 2022 they went 6-7 and this year they are 7-3. By your take on things they must be doing something shady because there is improvement over the last few years? Maybe they have an individual acting solo as well that is completely turning things around for the whole program?

[@Davidjohnson-zd3bk]

Did bill burr ask his wife if he was allowed to talk?? Such a fool