Bill Maher EVISCERATES Neil deGrasse Tyson On Transgender Athletes CONTROVERSY

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@NJShadow
@NJShadow 3 сағат бұрын
Robby, Niall, and Amber are the absolute best team in news right now. Keep up the awesome work, Rising crew!
@mmartin31796
@mmartin31796 Сағат бұрын
I agree, the conversations are always serious, concise and well reasoned
@NinnaFrank
@NinnaFrank 3 сағат бұрын
Degrasse has to tow the corporate line!! They will pull his card if he doesn't.
@tigerdank5666
@tigerdank5666 3 сағат бұрын
Bingo
@EdenMB-w3x
@EdenMB-w3x 2 сағат бұрын
He’s an adult and makes his own choices. Stop trying to remove accountability from him.
@Dadnatron
@Dadnatron 2 сағат бұрын
He has no other skills, than being in front of a camera.
@brianmeen2158
@brianmeen2158 Сағат бұрын
@@Dadnatron let’s be honest Neil is a very smart guy - he is just terrified of saying certain things
@khatdubell
@khatdubell 53 минут бұрын
@@brianmeen2158 I don't think he is. Graduating with a degree doesn't make you smart. By what basis do you judge him a "very smart guy", because his actions convey otherwise.
@frankiek2691
@frankiek2691 3 сағат бұрын
A scientist who can't accept objective reality loses his scientist card immediately.
@brianmeen2158
@brianmeen2158 Сағат бұрын
But he then brings up that women are probably better than men in long distance swimming lol.. he can’t admit if and when it goes the other way which is truly bizarre .
@frankiek2691
@frankiek2691 Сағат бұрын
@@brianmeen2158 LOL, yeah exactly. He contradicted himself and he doesn't even realize it.
@YoungSantasGroupie
@YoungSantasGroupie 55 минут бұрын
He’s a celebrity scientist, mostly a celebrity. NDT’s ego is so enormous, and growing at an accelerating pace. Astronomers predict that NDT’s ego may swallow the entire known universe by 2050.
@frankiek2691
@frankiek2691 27 минут бұрын
@@YoungSantasGroupie I believe it
@Eye8apie
@Eye8apie 3 сағат бұрын
The fact that Tyson couldn’t just say what was said in the article was wrong says everything you need to know about him.
@brianmeen2158
@brianmeen2158 Сағат бұрын
Yes he’s terrified of the far left .. how did we get here? If Neil said men are better than women in most sports - surely he would not lose his job or career…?
@user-eg6nq7qt8c
@user-eg6nq7qt8c 2 минут бұрын
Startalk is still a good podcast though.
@GML_123.
@GML_123. 3 сағат бұрын
It’s not the transgender issue, it’s the craziness, a medical journal can’t acknowledge certain things about gender that are obvious to everybody, or a Supreme Court Justice could not identify what a woman is, or that a researcher would not release their findings on transition surgeries among our youth because of the unfavorable results,. The madness, I hope it ends..
@Games_and_Music
@Games_and_Music 2 сағат бұрын
Indeed, Bill has taken some wrong turns, but he's right about this stuff. He also pointed this out during the show, saying that if people cannot take a stance on this stuff, then how are the voters supposed to trust anything else that they're saying? Even going as far as saying that they lost the crazy contest to an actual crazy person. Only now does he sorta 'realize' that people actually wanted change, and preferably it would've been Bernie in '16 or '20, but yeah, first there's 4 years of this.
@flourishingweee
@flourishingweee 3 сағат бұрын
He laughs hard when truth hits him apparently.
@alexandru5369
@alexandru5369 3 сағат бұрын
It's a nervous laugh
@KonigGustavAdolph
@KonigGustavAdolph 53 минут бұрын
Can we all appreciate how Niall handled this compared to what Nomiki would have done?
@CRHK88
@CRHK88 2 сағат бұрын
Science is broken, especially if people like Tyson are our ambassadors.
@khatdubell
@khatdubell 48 минут бұрын
The problem is conglomerating all science into a single category. I'm sure he knows what he is talking about when it comes to cosmology, just like i'm sure bill nye knows what he's talking about when assembling a shelf. I'm not taking either of their advice on medicine of biology.
@Yemaso1
@Yemaso1 Сағат бұрын
Finally, a co host on Rising making it worth coming back to watch.
@griffinarcher2911
@griffinarcher2911 2 сағат бұрын
Niall is great. We would never get this conversation out of Nomiki
@tomfullery9710
@tomfullery9710 3 сағат бұрын
“One of the great challenges in this world is knowing enough about a subject to think you're right, but not enough about the subject to know you're wrong.” - Neil DeGrasse Tyson (unknowingly referring to his own ignorance)
@jameschan4279
@jameschan4279 Сағат бұрын
3:13 the relief on Robby's face when Niall revealed that he's not a nutso like Nomiki 😂
@rwhitelow88
@rwhitelow88 2 сағат бұрын
Niall is the best host to represent left. he makes them seem sane again
@viktorfunk1819
@viktorfunk1819 3 сағат бұрын
Neill deGrasse Tyson has never expressed a thought beyond the level of a high school student
@losthighway5967
@losthighway5967 3 сағат бұрын
He cares more about trying to keep the widest audience than being true to science. As progrssivism goes farther and farther to the left it gets harder and harder for him to keep the left and still be true to logical reality.
@gugy68
@gugy68 3 сағат бұрын
He should stay in his lane. He was great on the Cosmos show, he is really good at delivering that info BUT he definitely is awful on politics and social commentary. The guy ego is just out of control after he became a "celebrity".
@Games_and_Music
@Games_and_Music 2 сағат бұрын
Yeah, i unsubbed from StarTalk a couple years ago, a pity though, it used to be fun to watch, until certain topics got shoehorned in. He is/was great as a science communicator, but yeah, it doesn't work when he lets his lips get sealed on these things. And also, he would be surprised how much change a couple of hormone patches can bring, curves can be grown, so they can pick and choose which specific type of swimming they want to excel at, and maybe regular male muscle mass might overcome that slight advantage anyway, we won't know until it is tested.
@Shamanized
@Shamanized 12 минут бұрын
This is such a high school student thing to say. You might as well stick the word "literally" in there
@joyced25
@joyced25 2 сағат бұрын
I'm so glad you guys are covering this. Who had Bill Maher being a voice of reason in 2024?
@Mkrake2024
@Mkrake2024 2 сағат бұрын
He can be on some issues, but wait a few minutes and he is bound to say something which reminds us a rich guy who lives in a mansion in the hollywood hills isn't most in touch.
@TotallyJoel
@TotallyJoel 2 сағат бұрын
We dont agree with everyone on everything . Thats ok.
@adriaanoosthuizen7139
@adriaanoosthuizen7139 Сағат бұрын
He still suffers from TDS.. but he is definitely better than the other late night hosts
@natel7382
@natel7382 Сағат бұрын
Well of you know anything about Bill he is such a narcissist that he will never retire so he will keep himself relevant. He also has no real values and just goes with whatever will keep getting him invited to dinner with bezos.
@horizon8927
@horizon8927 2 сағат бұрын
Neil, the editor of SciAm was removed because of a political tirade, not because of the article that was addressed in the clip or any collection of similar articles.
@GeoffNelson
@GeoffNelson 3 сағат бұрын
Niall’s suit 🔥🔥🔥
@donny5530
@donny5530 Сағат бұрын
I agree, gotta get me a baby blue suit now.
@GeoffNelson
@GeoffNelson 59 минут бұрын
@@donny5530 with a baby blue shirt. Cold blooded.
@Matt-mt2vi
@Matt-mt2vi 2 сағат бұрын
The transgender issue wasn't the only bad take for Tyson on that episode he also claimed getting a second opinion on medical care was wrong as well
@josephmiller9240
@josephmiller9240 2 сағат бұрын
Right....wasn't he using it to justify people being wrong to question or be hesitant to get the vaccines?
@DannyAnderson-gd2kt
@DannyAnderson-gd2kt 3 сағат бұрын
Pluto is still a planet.
@deadgolfer6345
@deadgolfer6345 3 сағат бұрын
Well played.
@Games_and_Music
@Games_and_Music 2 сағат бұрын
Yeah, we can acknowledge that it isn't the biggest object out there, and maybe some objects in the Kuiper Belt might be bigger, who cares, but i think Pluto could still be the 'face' of Kuiper Belt planetoids, a representative of them, technically maybe not a planet itself, but at least it registers on the general scale of things in the Solar System.
@eddievangundy4510
@eddievangundy4510 Сағат бұрын
Truth!!!
@ArcherNews50-m4h
@ArcherNews50-m4h Сағат бұрын
I love these two together. Great logical discussions with points on both sides. Thank you, Robbie and Niall!
@shutincharlie3461
@shutincharlie3461 3 сағат бұрын
Hilarious how Neil proves Bills point by point out a biological difference in women in long distance swimming
@cooreyfeldman2688
@cooreyfeldman2688 2 сағат бұрын
Niall > Nomiki
@chocomalk
@chocomalk 3 сағат бұрын
It's people like Neil that make people rightfully critical of science being interpreted or having a consensus. Everyone is open to bias....and money.
@SABRMatt2010
@SABRMatt2010 57 минут бұрын
Tyson was terrified in that exchange. He agrees with Maher on the issue I think, but thinks if he says so, he risks being cancelled. How pathetic.
@talkingmudcrab718
@talkingmudcrab718 Сағат бұрын
As a once long time enjpyer of Scientific American, Helmuth's ouster is really fantastic news. I feel like the country is healing.
@Hotsaucedeluxe
@Hotsaucedeluxe Сағат бұрын
Bill is annoyed at Tyson from the get go.
@kwasiopoku8589
@kwasiopoku8589 3 сағат бұрын
When you think of how your article submission can be rejected whimsically over minor issues. Makes one's blood boil to see such fundamentally nonsensical facts published
@Games_and_Music
@Games_and_Music 2 сағат бұрын
Yeah, and nobody is talking about how she even got there in the first place. I mean, i'm sure the other article would mention it, but i'm just saying, how can such people get such positions without screwing their way up?
@eddievangundy4510
@eddievangundy4510 2 сағат бұрын
Tyson is running scared because he had a Me Too problem. So he just parrots all the nonsense to keep his position.
@robinthrush9672
@robinthrush9672 2 сағат бұрын
Used to hold him in some respect, but then he equated the trans-controversy to wanting to wear make-up some days and not shave other days.
@pnwlady
@pnwlady 2 сағат бұрын
100% agree with Robby. In-group group think overwrote science and ignoring that doesn’t build back confidence.
@ray7707
@ray7707 2 сағат бұрын
Summer 2020 broke me too, Robby!
@jaker8051
@jaker8051 3 сағат бұрын
degrass tyshit is not a scientist, he is an actor
@iitzkryy9599
@iitzkryy9599 3 сағат бұрын
I can recognize an idiot when I see one, and Billy Boy is one of them: It took him 2 years to realize that a body with more mass can develop more strength than one with less mass. And it's sad to see that a scientist cannot speak the truth because he apparently doesn't want to anger certain donors.
@tigerdank5666
@tigerdank5666 3 сағат бұрын
He's been saying this for years.........
@iitzkryy9599
@iitzkryy9599 3 сағат бұрын
@@tigerdank5666 He jumped on the woke-bandwagon just like most people.
@matthicks1129
@matthicks1129 3 сағат бұрын
Where do you get the two years?
@tigerdank5666
@tigerdank5666 2 сағат бұрын
@@iitzkryy9599 You don't watch this much do you?
@williamuptgraft1755
@williamuptgraft1755 Сағат бұрын
Neal is uncomfortable because he knows Bill is right. Neal also knows that if he agrees with Bill he'll be kicked out of the cult. Neal is more about money than truth. Just a real time example of why science is really harming itself.
@eddievangundy4510
@eddievangundy4510 Сағат бұрын
He's running from Me Too.
@cosmiasimulans
@cosmiasimulans 3 сағат бұрын
great suit tho
@SolariaEsoterica
@SolariaEsoterica 3 сағат бұрын
Right?!❤
@robws007
@robws007 Сағат бұрын
Tyson really dropped in my esteem after this episode of RTWBM, he was stubborn, cantankerous, talked over everyone and tried a little too disingenuously to be non-committal in the face of basic facts.
@TheDwchan
@TheDwchan 28 минут бұрын
So refreshing to have objective unbiased opinions Nice to have sanity back
@Supportguy116
@Supportguy116 3 сағат бұрын
Neil deGrasse Tyson.... lost all respect long ago. over covid and gender
@dashphonemail
@dashphonemail Сағат бұрын
It's easy to "eviscerate" your debate opponent when they're making absurd arguments they themselves don't even believe
@peteconroy1348
@peteconroy1348 Сағат бұрын
Is someone making him say these things? He’s smarter than that. Someone must be forcing him to say this out loud and in public
@Jeff-sm8ix
@Jeff-sm8ix Сағат бұрын
ok, good team here, really like these two.
@peacelilly75
@peacelilly75 Сағат бұрын
Absolutely can't listen to degrasse.... even more so now
@DUIDave-s1k
@DUIDave-s1k 2 сағат бұрын
What Maher should have done was have a trans flat farther on the panel.
@anovaprint4713
@anovaprint4713 Сағат бұрын
They're letting reasonable liberals back on this show who aren't reflexively defensive anytime a criticism of the left comes up? There might just be some hope left
@DeconstructedWithJosh
@DeconstructedWithJosh 3 сағат бұрын
Love coming here to this show. Entertaining and real AF. One of the few shows showing and respecting opposing views. Also, love that intro theme! Who composd it?
@huckwach3074
@huckwach3074 2 сағат бұрын
Mace Windu is a black Jedi. Ashoka is some other color Jedi.
@eddievangundy4510
@eddievangundy4510 Сағат бұрын
Yep. Yoda green I believe.
@j.peaceo1031
@j.peaceo1031 Сағат бұрын
"Scientist"
@deborahsolomon5089
@deborahsolomon5089 Минут бұрын
Love what you are saying, Robby. the politization of science is so wrong...
@alexmc9866
@alexmc9866 Сағат бұрын
Pastor Niall there in baby blue suit 😂
@hotchihuahua1546
@hotchihuahua1546 Сағат бұрын
There are things most people understand without having a degree ! In some cases they understand it better ! 😂
@dastrnad
@dastrnad Сағат бұрын
Haha! So true.
@Thatoneguy-vd8ge
@Thatoneguy-vd8ge Сағат бұрын
Tysons are taking Ls across the board
@Jomi91
@Jomi91 Сағат бұрын
Tyson is such a shameless clown.
@MicahThomason
@MicahThomason 2 сағат бұрын
I've never been impressed with deGrasse Tyson's intelligence.
@dawnthomsenminenga2290
@dawnthomsenminenga2290 13 минут бұрын
He’s too pompous.
@craigjhard
@craigjhard 22 минут бұрын
Niall's suit looking fresh.
@terryschoenith5249
@terryschoenith5249 3 сағат бұрын
Avian psychology is more consequential to the human condition than you think.
@Games_and_Music
@Games_and_Music 2 сағат бұрын
Sounds like something Ben Bailey would've said.
@xenophinex
@xenophinex 53 минут бұрын
Niall be looking like the angel that greets you at the pearly gates. =)
@pdfortune
@pdfortune Сағат бұрын
I used to love listening to Tyson. He got real weird with the transgender stuff a few years ago. I wonder who got to him. The long distance swimming isn't accurate. The gap closes (percentage wise), but they aren't racing neck and neck. Look at the Iron Man swimming 2.4 mile swim you don't see the top tier men exiting the water with a bunch of women. The average male time is over 5 minutes faster in the Iron Man Swim.
@eddievangundy4510
@eddievangundy4510 Сағат бұрын
Me Too issues.
@CarynOBrien
@CarynOBrien Сағат бұрын
Spot on about the pandemic Robby!!! Cheers!!!🇺🇸🇮🇱
@jonwalter6317
@jonwalter6317 Сағат бұрын
That is a bangin' jacket/suit Niall is wearing today! Though I would have opted for a white shirt.
@chickenporkadob0
@chickenporkadob0 2 сағат бұрын
but but is better at long distance swimming. that means women can beat men in basketball, boxing, etc.
@charliepadgett1018
@charliepadgett1018 17 минут бұрын
It’s true . Go bill
@Juventinos
@Juventinos 45 минут бұрын
Niall is delightful. It just shows how racist and sexist we are that we couldn't stand Bri, Jessica and Nomiki... lol (i m being sarcastic)
@yimb8437
@yimb8437 Сағат бұрын
Looks like Niall blue himself this morning.
@deepaksharma0072
@deepaksharma0072 2 сағат бұрын
It was over for Neil DisGrace a long long time ago. He is useless now
@erice7192
@erice7192 Сағат бұрын
These title are so DRAMATIC
@khatdubell
@khatdubell 54 минут бұрын
Love the "new" paring. Working out great.
@onis
@onis 2 сағат бұрын
Tyson got metood over touching some girls tattoo. Now he has to bow down to the agenda or they'll bring up those receipts again.
@Lore-mn2xx
@Lore-mn2xx Сағат бұрын
As someone who enlightened us about the three types of truth-personal truth, objective truth, and political truth-it seems that this once well-respected scholar has lost the ability to distinguish between them.
@williamuptgraft1755
@williamuptgraft1755 Сағат бұрын
Nialls take on this issue is maybe 1percent better than that grifter Neal. So not great either. But Niall doesn't have the courage to say that because he also knows he'll be kicked out of the cult 😮
@bradleystokes-bennett2688
@bradleystokes-bennett2688 3 сағат бұрын
Love these two. Great balance and respectful
@shabazz360
@shabazz360 Сағат бұрын
I really wanna be on the left, I really do. I just can’t though smh.
@halflife352011
@halflife352011 2 сағат бұрын
Me thinks Tyson doth protest to much.
@Mopjitsu
@Mopjitsu Сағат бұрын
The advantage in long distance swimming only exists within age spectrums. At their youngest and oldest women have the advantage. This was a very disingenuous take by Tyson.
@nortonyatzee7254
@nortonyatzee7254 2 сағат бұрын
Re-subbed after the nutcase co-hosts are gone
@ameliam7898
@ameliam7898 2 сағат бұрын
Pretty sure they have something scandalous on NDT
@genericbeansmile756
@genericbeansmile756 2 сағат бұрын
Woah, really? That's too bad, as I've always liked his astrophysics work even if he's been indoctrinated with modern gender theory
@eddievangundy4510
@eddievangundy4510 Сағат бұрын
Yes, repeated Me Too issues.
@SilentProtagonist1002
@SilentProtagonist1002 Сағат бұрын
COMBOS!
@bernardocamachojr6883
@bernardocamachojr6883 3 сағат бұрын
Robbie needs his own show
@juanmanuel3418
@juanmanuel3418 2 сағат бұрын
He has it, in ReasonTV
@Mortiel
@Mortiel 2 сағат бұрын
Search "ReasonTV Free Media". It's the KZbin show he hosts over there, usually alongside Amber Duke.
@MicahThomason
@MicahThomason 2 сағат бұрын
Free Media. Robby and Amber play very well off of each other.
@Dadnatron
@Dadnatron 2 сағат бұрын
You need to use 'quotes' when you discuss 'scientist NdT'
@rembeadgc
@rembeadgc Сағат бұрын
"Science" doesn't happen in a vacuum, so to speak. To the degree that science affects people's lives and decisions, it also figures into ethics, civics and politics. So, agendas, ideologies, philosophies and vices influence science as much as anything else.... as long as human hands are on it. Anyone who tries to signal virtue behind a banner of "science" should be viewed with extreme skepticism.
@gugy68
@gugy68 3 сағат бұрын
NDT should stay in his lane. He was great on the Cosmos show, he is really good at delivering that info BUT he definitely is awful on politics and social commentary. The guy ego is just out of control after he became a "celebrity".
@W1ZY
@W1ZY 3 сағат бұрын
This show is doomed by Robby’s intellect.
@jorgegonzales9815
@jorgegonzales9815 Сағат бұрын
This Stanage guy is Mr. super caveat who lists all his caveats first and then agrees with arguments on both side first and then then places himself in the middle position on everything. His positions end up not achieving any clarity but only further muddles the water.
@The_Burning_Sensation
@The_Burning_Sensation 14 минут бұрын
Tyson is a great example of the problems. Several of them.
@cassiedawnlala
@cassiedawnlala 2 сағат бұрын
Way to rock the blue Niall 💙. 👤. Very spiffy!!
@Mkrake2024
@Mkrake2024 2 сағат бұрын
Degrasse Tyson represents everything wrong with scientists. Science should be about wonder and curiosity, but he is pompously smug and incapable of getting back to that curiosity science demands.
@urONEdad
@urONEdad 2 сағат бұрын
And the Jedi are fighting Darth Vader who is ..... Black 😮
@eddievangundy4510
@eddievangundy4510 Сағат бұрын
Sam Jackson also black.
@Souljourney22
@Souljourney22 3 сағат бұрын
I hope he asked neil about nhi being here on earth. He really likes denying as if he was paid to do so.
@learningvidz4kidz989
@learningvidz4kidz989 49 минут бұрын
Neil has become intolerable, especially when it comes to gender cult nonsense that he spews/defends. And don't get me started on that condescending laugh...
@Swedishpolymath
@Swedishpolymath 3 сағат бұрын
By the way. Why is the transgender issue such a big thing in America? We don't have the same problem in Europe?
@roriemarie2968
@roriemarie2968 2 сағат бұрын
What part of europe?
@tobiisiba1641
@tobiisiba1641 2 сағат бұрын
​@@roriemarie2968good question.
@johnmccracken3473
@johnmccracken3473 Сағат бұрын
We do in the UK
@vinsanityguitar
@vinsanityguitar 3 сағат бұрын
Neal's been caught being bought and sold so many times he's like Bitcoin
@gf5050
@gf5050 19 минут бұрын
this guy representing the science world is an embarrassement to science.....
@davids4610
@davids4610 2 сағат бұрын
What's up with the audio guys? Bill sounds fine but your levels are off and muffled?
@jeffreykopko3851
@jeffreykopko3851 3 сағат бұрын
This is weak.
@phays10
@phays10 2 сағат бұрын
Tyson is not serious
@alampignano
@alampignano Сағат бұрын
Neil Degrasse Tyson has lost almost all credibility since covid. It's almost as though he's lost his mind, when he speaks about these gender issues and about how no one should ever question the covid vaccine. Um.. is he okay?
@Nihari993
@Nihari993 30 минут бұрын
What language is this ?
@amandacollyer645
@amandacollyer645 51 минут бұрын
NDT is a mid level comms guy with weak scientific training.
@jsirivanchai
@jsirivanchai 2 сағат бұрын
I hate watching the Hill, but for Tyson and the trans community, I'm here.
@Xtraflossy
@Xtraflossy 2 сағат бұрын
NDT hasgotten weird since wokeness. You can see his change in stances simce then, and i know kts all because the grip it had in television. Hopefully in a few years he will know he wont get cancelled and return to science.
@eddievangundy4510
@eddievangundy4510 Сағат бұрын
No, has me too issues, so running scared.
@Kreln1221
@Kreln1221 Сағат бұрын
🧐 *It's not a matter of theology, tradition, culture, values, or any other higher brain conceptual idea..., although it does conflict with those higher concepts... The main issue is that it's at odds with the basic biologically programmed and ingrained mandate of every life form on Earth, and that is a desire and struggle to get your genes to live on and multiply after your death... While many modern humans may choose to override and disregard these innate primal drives, and they lead happy, successful, and fulfilling lives..., the majority of humans, just like any other species on Earth, operate by those same primal instincts to have their genes live on and multiply in others after their death, even if only on a subconscious level... It's why, whether Father God or Mother Nature, pick your preference, instilled "lust" in us, to get babies made in the first place, and "love" in us, so we would band together in family groups to protect those feeble babies for roughly two decades, so that the offspring will be of fertile age before being left to the wild... However, this "Modern Message" agenda is a direct threat to millions of parents and aspiring parents, even if on a purely subconscious level. Why invest two decades of your life to raising the little gene bags we call children, in the hopes that they'll take your genes and carry them far into the future, if schools, and TVs, and movies, and Scientific American, and Neil DeGrasse Tyson are all suggesting to your kids, whether vaguely or implicitly, that they may actually be the opposite gender of what they physically are, and that it's perfectly fine to stunt your development with puberty blockers, and even though a person may not legally decide to have intercourse with another person until they are legally an adult, well after puberty, (and rightly so), yet it's perfectly fine for an adolescent that hasn't even entered puberty to decide to have these permanently life altering, and often sterilizing, treatments and surgeries... On a subconscious core of your being level, to a parent aspiring to be a grandparent, is there much difference between someone kidnapping your child, surgically sterilizing them, and then returning them home..., or someone enamoring, and then talking your child into going and having themselves "transitioned", permanently sterilizing themselves for life?... The end result is the same... Your genes die off with you and your child...*
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