Bill Maher is a Condescending Know-It-All

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[@metaljacket8128]

You know, I remember a *long* time ago, I saw Bill Maher on TV as a kid. I didn't know who he was, but when my dad came in and saw him, his teeth clenched a bit and he said, "Oh, this guy--I could strangle him with my bare hands and not feel a shred of guilt. No matter how you grow up, Johnny, just make sure you don't end up like him." Now I know exactly why.

[@JohnSmith-yd5wq]

@laz kar Yeah? What's your net worth?

[@notreally1203]

John Smith what? Where is the relevance in that question?

[@stephendarcy9803]

Here in the UK he’s only remembered as being on Family Guy once, whereas Stan Lee is as just a cultural icon here as he is in the states.

[@bennichol1510]

And also he's friends with pierce Morgan who is debatably liked and disliked in the UK (I don't mind him tbh and he does make good TV when he's debating on stuff I agree with but yeah make if him what u will) but yeah I don't like bill Maher because he's very full of himself.)

[@kylemorello4787]

So, he's only remembered for guest starring in a show that uses a medium stereotyped as "kids stuff"? Go figure.

[@philipdolan2191]

Uk is def culturally bankrupt as well

[@watchforever1724]

Lol 😂 I know

[@RichardApperition]

RIP Stan Lee & Jon Schnepp

[@MGSBigBoss77]

Nice one fella, 2018 been so harsh but yeah R.I.P. to those men; Steve Ditko as well. Sigh we sadly lost both Spider-Man creators in the same year, damn!

[@joshjones9749]

2018 was the best and worst year for the comicbook fandom

[@SuperShanko]

JS would've flipped a table over that BM comment.

[@MarcelosToyRoom]

:( truly missed

[@RichardApperition]

@D L. If you watched the video, Harloff briefly mentioned he would have loved to hear Schnepp's take on these quotes by Bill Maher

[@lynlo469]

OK let me get this straight, the 60 something year old man who is obsessed with weed, only chases women half his age, hates Religion, marriage and the thought of having children wants to lecture other people on how to grow up...OK got it!

[@bennichol1510]

No wonder he supported a female teacher who was wanting a relationship with one of her students who she taught in high school when she was 35 and he was still legally a child.

[@MGSBigBoss77]

Bill Maher should've taken Mark Twain's often quoted advice: *'Better to let remain silent and be thought a fool and not say anything, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!'* (shrugs)

[@bacht4799]

Good one.. Mr Twain knew what he was talking about.. by the way.. is it alright I use this quote for now on.. I sometimes kind of idiot now and then when I talk so maybe this can be a place to start change that at least.. have a nice day..!

[@MisterCovek]

"Mark Twain once said... "A man who always tells the truth, doesn't have to remember what he said". And that's great. But Mark Twain also said... "There once was a big black guy named Nigger Jim". So, I don't know if a 100% of the things he said were perfectly awesome" - Louis CK

[@ericross441]

Maher's just jealous, because when he dies, no one will give a shit

[@kevinnelson66]

Maher probably considers Twain's books to be too childish for his liking.

[@nathanbrady5648]

@@ericross441 I will give a shit right on his grave

[@LadyMusashi]

Schnepp would have destroyed him. It's in the moments like these that I miss him the most.

[@MGSBigBoss77]

Yup, so miss the Schneppster! He would've devoured Bill Maher for his stupidly spoken shit and crapped him out days later. And then given the remaining bits and pieces to everyone else to finish off afterwards!

[@THEBIGBAD99-X]

For real

[@ojmccaf63]

What did he pass away from 😨

[@LadyMusashi]

@@ojmccaf63 Complications of massive stroke

[@Sclimenti82]

That would have been an epic rant, even more than just another rant. Absolutely Schnepp would have destroyed Maher.

[@jasonfick4506]

Bill Maher is good at one thing, running his mouth. Stan Lee will be missed. Maher will be remembered as the guy on HBO for one hour a week that spouts jokes that are probably not written by him.

[@watchforever1724]

Yeah I know

[@roninsdog261]

Quick comparison. Stan Lee has inspired more people in 1 day to be better people and to live better lives than Bill Maher has or will inspire in his entire life. Nuff said

[@richmawer1803]

Isthis Better I think you’ll have to provide irrefutable proof of that statement.

[@roninsdog261]

@@richmawer1803 Don't really care what you think I'll have to do.

[@ohboyhowdy1373]

The proof exists when you open your eyes.

[@richmawer1803]

Isthis Better So you’re just trolling then?

[@richmawer1803]

Jamie McClurd That would not hold up in a court of law Jamie.

[@fuzz7981]

Never go full Bill Maher

[@vincknade5140]

I don't care that Bill Maher thinks comics are dumb. However, I certainly care that he disrespected the name of Stan Lee mere days after his passing, while simultaneously shitting on his legacy and all those who needed his characters to get through hard times in their lives. When I was a kid, I needed Spider-Man, and even though its been years since I picked up a comic book, I will never forget what that character and his world meant to me.

[@Hirnlego999]

They are not necessarily dumb but made for kids. I don't expect to see a Marvel movie and be deeply into it because of the writing.

[@danielajani7283]

Hirnlego999 That’s not what he was talking about...

[@watchforever1724]

Yeah I know

[@Syrilian]

I am not a comic book fan and I can tell you why Stan Lee and comics are important. Marvel told kids it was okay to be weird, that you didn't have to be perfect to be a hero. Marvel told readers that racism, antisemitism, and violence were all bad things that need to be fought head on but that in the end everything will be okay. This during a time when all three of those things were a perfectly acceptable part of society.

[@openmind2161]

I was really depressed & was almost suicidal till i watched the Dragon ball series as an Adult before that i wasn't even in comics .It actually changed my life ,Made me confident & i can now say to life bring it on .I would say for many people Comics/anime are the modern day literature which influence ,encourage them in life in positive ways .There are many scientists,doctor ,engineers who are fan of comics .So they did better than what bill mahr like worthless stand up comedian is doing

[@watchforever1724]

Yeah I know

[@brianmagee6595]

I Remeber the late Anthony Bourdin, calling out Bill Maher for his elitist attuided. Saying that it's because of him, and people like him are the reason why Trump became President. And I'm actual starting to agree.

[@thegreyinitiate3680]

Generations from now, our modern superheroes will be remembered as the mythology of the 20th century, the same way we today remember stories of King Arthur, Beowulf, Hercules, Odysseus, and Achilles. Even if the name Stan Lee is lost to time, his creations won’t be, thus he will be remembered through them. What will Bill Maher be remembered for in the ages to come? Saying mean things about President Cheeto and being an all around dick? Not likely.

[@lorenzoamato953]

Well, outside of the US NOBODY knows who Bill Maher is. NOBODY. OTOH, superheroes and comicbooks are everywhere, and everybody loves the movies.

[@CavemanJesus4Life]

You're stretching it boy, you really are. Game of Thrones will likely be more remembered than comic books.

[@zeroskaterz92]

@@CavemanJesus4Life GoT will be more remembered than comic books? HAHAHAHAHA GoT is not even on the same level as Tolkien, let alone comic books. Sit the fuck down.

[@lorenzoamato953]

@@CavemanJesus4Life Don't get me wrong, I love GoT, especially the books and the first 3-4 seasons. But no. Unless all the spin-off series are masterpieces and cement the world of GoT in the public imagination, everything will be preatty much forgotten 5 years after the end of the series. Look at Battlestar Galactica (the reboot series), which was considered the best sci-fi series ever, won plenty of prizes, had A-list actors, had super-devoted fans, and is now almost completely gone from the public memory. We live in an era where nothing last longer than five years, then is forgotten (or badly rebooted).

[@tomcloss9764]

@@zeroskaterz92 True,that I can tell you, precious,lol.

[@FlyingFocs]

"I believe there is a hero in all of us; that gives us strength, makes us noble, and finally allows us to die with pride." That quote, from a comic book movie, encapsulates why people love these characters: they remind us we are and can do better. They are heroes to those who may have no other. For Bill Maher, there's this quote: "It's better to be silent and thought a fool to speak and remove all doubt." At least about this.

[@danielajani7283]

I’ve never heard of Bill Maher till now, but I’ve known Stan Lee for almost my entire life.

[@watchforever1724]

Yeah I know

[@alphacause]

As a long time fan of Bill Maher's comedic commentary on our political landscape, I have to say that his comments concerning comic books, his views on the people who produce them, and his demeaning description about the people who love them, is downright ignorant! These are comments that are unbecoming of a man who is normally a quite astute observer of the world. Maher's comments, concerning comic books, is akin to me saying that all music is for babies, because nursery rhymes are music, and only babies listen to nursery rhymes. Therefore, people should not listen to music when they become adults. Such an asinine monolithic view of music is precisely the same thing Maher does with comic culture. To denigrate comic book producers and audiences as juvenile only reveals Maher's lack of nuance with regards to this category of art. Yes, there are some comic books that indulge in childish ideas. However, a lot of comic books - especially in their graphic novel format - are filled with with complex character arcs, engaging plot lines, trenchant social commentary, and breathtaking artwork. . There is, after all, a reason that many in academia now write entire books analyzing the social and philosophical significance of comic books and comic book characters. It can even be argued that it takes a wider variety of talent to produce a comic book/graphic novel than it does to produce a conventional novel. After all, in a conventional novel, the only talent on display is ones ability to write engaging prose. In a comic book/graphic novel you have to write engaging prose, but also accompany that with aesthetically pleasing illustrations. Hence, a comic book embodies two talents, while a conventional novel only demonstrates one talent.

[@cyan0984]

Comic books are this generation's form of literature, but some people don't seem to see that, because it's buried in panels and some immaculate artworks. Nevertheless, they're no different than other mediums of entertainment and storytelling. We can all agree that Bill Maher is just a pretentious man in his 60s, only smoking pot and do nothing but tell class-F jokes, and his opinions don't matter.

[@watchforever1724]

Yeah I know

[@CIRE_TREJO]

Schnepp would have tore him a new one.. 😞 This bothers me Immensely.

[@clintmack3286]

The rant would have been legendary.

[@sonnywoods6846]

apologies for my ignorance buy who is Schnepp the mentioned him in the video. Was he the original host of this show and is he dead?

[@nikhilmamnani4361]

Jon schenpp was a host and producer on collider. He also produced films. Sadly he passed away this year.

[@sonnywoods6846]

Oh Ok Thank You

[@BushidoBrownSama]

it would have been a classic Schnepp takedown

[@femialexwilliams9571]

It didnt take these quotes to show he is just a bully and uber cocky human being. He really lacks humility and you can see it

[@watchforever1724]

Agreed

[@Erikthedood]

I agree with most of what you guys have said here, but please don't refer to Bill Maher as "bad for liberals," because quite honestly, he isn't a liberal. He may purport to be one, but if you understand political ideology he's more in line with a far left independent or libertarian based on his views on issues. He's what I'd like to call a "fake progressive." What I mean by this is he likes to identify himself as liberal or left leaning for attention and viewership, but if you actually listen to what he says, he really isn't one. He unfairly attacks and or criticizes the left or the Democrats to get a kick out of his center or right leaning audience when he wants the viewership, and also conveniently attacks the right for the same thing in inopportune moments to unfairly paint all of the right as mindless Trump supporters (which most right wingers don't agree with Trump on issues, the Republicans are the Trump party right now, they're not real Conservatives.) At the same time, he always gives the extreme right or alt right a pass on their bullshit, but also unfairly attacks the left for things that aren't even their fault. My point, he's a provocateur, opportunist, attention-grabbing, shock value instigating asshole, and he is in no way a liberal. Please don't lump liberals in with Bill Maher, because he isn't one. He doesn't deserve to be associated with tolerant, open-minded, non-objective instigating progressives.

[@Campy_Camel]

I love Bill Maher and agree with a lot of what he says politically, but what he said here about Stan Lee and comics was just straight up disgraceful. Sometimes he needs to learn to just watch what he says

[@drzaious8136]

Reminds me of that time he went on about how NASA is a waste of money and time, until we solve all our problems here on earth. While the technology he uses today to promote his shows, and the devices he uses to get his information all came to be because, we as a species went to the moon.

[@TheGeorgeD13]

DrZaious, not to mention that a lot of what NASA does help solve some of our problems here on earth. The technological advancements that was required for us to be able to go to the moon led to fantastic technological innovation that helped so many lives here on earth, including mine.

[@lamshae6070]

Campy Camel fuck off with it he can voice his opinion and if you dont like it then leave

[@Campy_Camel]

Tragic Mishap Fuck you troll. If somebody says something ridiculously misinformed and offensive then I’m going to voice my opinion and explain why I disagree with them

[@malekkarim9276]

I love him

[@actionthatsucks]

He probably figured it would just be easier to wait and take jabs at someone who could no longer defend themselves in words. Real classy.

[@lordfuture1]

I WANT to believe Dwayne McDuffie, Bill Finger, Steve Ditko, Stan Lee and many more are all hanging out, talking about the stuff they did on Earth and getting super excited about collaborating on brand new projects!

[@thebacons5943]

I’m not into comic books personally but I am into Star Wars/sports/other things with large fan communities that are sometimes frowned upon. Bill Maher is a fool who simply doesn’t understand the uniting power of fandom. No wonder this guy doesn’t believe in God. He has a cold heart.

[@alanmooreisrasputinreincar8106]

Well put

[@VegetaPixel]

Please do not associate us agnostics and atheists with scum stains.

[@bennichol1510]

He makes people like me look bad and I remember an interview when defended a female teacher who had a relationship with one of her students I think the teacher was like 35 but I can't remember how old the boy was I just know he was of high school age.

[@watchforever1724]

@@VegetaPixel lol

[@watchforever1724]

@@bennichol1510 interesting

[@JenniferMcMahonhawaii78]

It’s unfortunate that Bill Maher couldn’t see how our modern day comic books are in many ways to that of Greek mythology and other tales that have inspired and changed humanity for often the better, not into stupidity or worse. However ,Maher spoke what he believe to be the truth; so now he needs to take the consequences that comes with that.

[@jonathoncombs2553]

I believe the point he was making was how dumb as a society we are that people turn to comic books to get all of that., You can debate the point all you want.

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Actually, I think that's why he went gunning for comics while pissing on Stan's grave. Remember that Maher is one of those insufferable atheists who sees no value in any religion. But since nature truly DOES abhor a vacuum, here comes comics to fill in the gap left by having religion's stories pushed aside, using the archetypes that made the latter possible. So what value is it to Maher to get rid of that old-time religion if a secular alternative takes its place to give people the space to dream?

[@jonathoncombs2553]

Johnathon Haney it ain’t that complex. Everybody shits on things they don’t like or don’t understand. I don’t like comic books, and the comic book movies have made me hate them more. But I get them and just don’t care. Maher was just talking shit.

[@jbearclowater]

Couldn't the same argument be made for sports, since it was "just a game you played when you were a kid?" Note: Maher owns stake in the NY Mets

[@money3644]

Stan lee is a legend, his work will effect the world for the next 20 generations, and Maher is a talk show host who wants publicity. Scales tip towards Stan lee being the better person

[@watchforever1724]

Yeah I know

[@lordfuture1]

Every time I think of Schnepp my heart breaks again, :-( No matter what your religious beliefs are, I know I WANT to believe Dwayne McDuffie, Bill Finger, Steve Ditko, Stan Lee and many more are all hanging out, talking about the stuff they did on Earth and getting super excited about collaborating on brand new projects!

[@eleegs]

Wrong. I read a LOT of comics and reading is NEVER bad. I am sorry, Bill, but the concepts and the stories crafted by intelligent writers and gifted artists is never a bad thing. There are concepts in mythology, culture, science, and society that are introduced in comics that otherwise I might not have been exposed to while growing ups My son is getting over his learning disability by reading comics we enjoy together. So, while you say you never read or know Stan Lee, why comment at all? I appreciate you commentary on politics . But I preach not to judge others or allow a politician or anyone tell me who to hate or who to judge. Yet, you judge someone’s work that you never read or had any experience with. You don’t know the subject matter and you used your celebrity to comment on a topic that you have zero experience with. I don’t hate liberals or conservatives and I don’t teach my kid to be petty or judge mental, especially if he doesn’t have first hand experience with the subject matter. I found you observation on comics to be irresponsible and out of character for someone who is usually measured on what he has to say

[@MakNCheese88]

Person dresses up in costume, goes to conventions with other fans, talks endlessly about artists and writers, collects memorabilia from their favorite stories: Grow up Person dresses up in a jersey, goes to a game with other fans, talks endlessly about players and coaches, collects memorabilia from their favorite tournaments: Normal adult

[@italia689]

And he owns a stake in the New York Mets, too.

[@john-lukepickarde7382]

Bill Maher has changed over the past couple of years. He has become a bitter old elitist and should have probably retired from Real Time a couple of years ago. He is having to compete with the newer and more popular internet-based versions of what he does (like Joe Rogan's podcast), and it just seems like his "hot takes" are much more desperate and divisive these days. I still like what he says from time to time, but he will never really be the same to me anymore.

[@Campy_Camel]

I think Trump being president is a big part of it. I’m not much of a Trump supporter myself but Bill Maher lets his hatred of Trump take over and cloud his judgement

[@john-lukepickarde7382]

@@Campy_Camel Maher has 100% succumbed to Trump derangement syndrome.

[@intelligencecycle3523]

@@Campy_Camel Damn right man cloud compute all of his judgment, mental thinking etc...

[@LissaBroyles]

The entire left has went insane. & that's from a lifelong card carrying Democrat.

[@john-lukepickarde7382]

@@LissaBroyles Yeah, it is a weird time, to say the least....

[@ryanquigley4745]

I'm a college student working on my computer science major and mechanical engineering minor and working full time to pay for it. I was a very nerdy young boy who thought books and comics were the best things in the world, who also moved a number of times and was bullied everywhere I went I have broken my arm 3 times and only once was it because I was clumsy so it's of little surprise that i fell into a depression near the end of high school, I didn't eat, sleep or really converse with anyone. Stan Lee's characters didn't cure my depression but they inspired me to try harder, do better and never give up, over the years I have gotten a lot better and my love of comics and superheroes in general has never been stronger and more pronounced. Stan Lee and his amazing world didn't save me, it inspired me beyond anything I can say. I wasn't a fan of bill but I enjoyed watching some of his segments as a fellow atheist it was always a treat to hear him on religion even if he was a bit of a dick about it he said things I wished I could say to some of my religious family members but after his remarks on Stan I will never again in my life watch a single one of his shows even a segment on KZbin is completely ingored. Stan Lee touched my heart and meant a great deal to me and millions like me, I will die wishing I got to meet him but I'm happy he knew how much we loved him, Excelsior Stan

[@DrRockso79]

When I used to manage a small comic book store about ten years ago, we did mostly online sales but a lot of our regular in-store customers were college students, doctors, lawyers & other people with high paying jobs or just flat out wealthy people. I'll admit I was kinda shocked (considering the stereotypes you're typically exposed to in the media which I never saw except perhaps once while I was working there) but granted while it was a small sample size these were typically people who were able to 'adult', as it were, while still being able to enjoy comics like they did growing up. I also can't help but feel like the most hardcore Trump supporters would actually SIDE with Maher on this particular line of thought, not be the type of person he's targeting with his rant.

[@jasonhobb4520]

Thank you for a great video. Bill Maher is upset because he believes he is special but he knows that a hundred years from now nobody will remember his name but everyone will still remember Stan Lee. Rip great one

[@thebacons5943]

One thing liberals and conservatives can agree on

[@johnathonhaney8291]

Especially the geek set: Don't. Fuck. With Stan Lee.

[@JStryker47]

No, he's not. He's a condescending know-NOTHING!

[@rhinograph]

Right there with you guys on this... but in all reality just look at the difference between Bill Maher and Stan Lee. I mean Stan Lee was 95 and even up to his last known video that he released, was cracking jokes, smiling and just generally having a great time. Granted that's the public face that he puts on, but I don't think I've ever seen or heard about any time where he was angry or negative at all (although I'm not saying it never happened). Now when you look at Bill Maher, he can't even laugh at his own jokes... He does his smug little "haha I'm such a funny guy" smirk thing, but that's really it. The rest of the time, he just seems like he's seething under that smug exterior. So, I'll take the positive energy and happiness that Stan put out in the world over a confirmed and certified prick that Bill Maher is any day of the week.... Bill Maher will never get the kind of recognition or praise or love that Stan Lee got when it's his time to go... So Stan wins in my book... and - to wrap up - I know what Stan Lee meant to me over the years from childhood to (YES) adulthood (dun, dun, Duuuuuuun!) and no blowhard can change that by trying to talk shit about him.... and just to illustrate a point, I read comics AND books without pictures in them in equal measure. LOL

[@SoundWaveChronicles]

Let’s imagine for a second a world where comics are exclusively for children... we were ALL children once! Are we supposed to forgo our show of appreciation for a man who has enriched our childhoods? We honor the great #StanLee regardless of whether he impacted us while we were ‘adulting’ or otherwise. Thank You #ColliderLive for sticking up for Stan’s legacy. Maher’s biggest #DongTake yet #LightEmUp #ThatsTheShow #VoteDongTakeForMaher #NuffSaid #Excelsior!

[@PhenHarrison]

Breaks my heart. I am a fan of Bill Maher but, yeah, he can push the limit sometimes. I work at a cinema and love talking to others about movies. I personally don’t enjoy comic book movies (huge Star Wars fan) but, whatever I do, I do NOT criticize that whole genre because it is an evolution of myth and is sacred in its own way. It is apart of the collective imagination that has manifested into what it is today and that really does help people (even if I am personally not excited by the concepts). Everyone has their Luke Skywalker. Some people see their hero in a superhero and that’s cool and encouraged! Yeah, him making these comments in light of Stan Lee’s passing is sad. The only thing I understand deeply is his frustration with misplaced passions and priorities. I have always been in politics since I was in eight grade because I see how much an election can transform society for better or worse.. it was always difficult to see others put so much energy and attention towards things like sports.. Politics is NOT a spectator sport. It is immersive and it does have huge consequences. It’s important to be educated and informed. Be skeptical. Catch yourself before you fall into confirmation biases. Anyways, that’s all I will say for now. Vote in your next election. We need a good candidate for 2020. This whole thing makes me want to watch a comic book movie haha I like the Christopher Nolan Batman and Toby spider man trilogies.

[@GaZaRaVe]

Its weird that people are criticized for liking comic books and games but nothing is wrong with that some passion when it comes to sports.

[@stormtraitor6545]

This is one of the best comments I have read.

[@yourarchnemesis8453]

People are allowed to have hobbies. Also being too concerned with politics will drive you insane.

[@Narsty_Boy]

He's basically just a grumpy old man saying "I don't get kids these days". And just demonstrating his own lack of intellect while at the same time looking down on an entire generation.

[@JokerL1000]

Roxy ruined christians great joke

[@MGSBigBoss77]

She takes things too seriously thats why. If she doesn't understand she should just shut up and still be quiet about it all. I'm guessing they secretly don't like her period, which is why she screws up so much on these podcasts, if Collider's friends with you they talk and do stuff outside of work and prevent each other from making mistakes. Roxy doesn't strike me as somebody who gets the daily; 'memos' from the others as; Morgan Freeman's legendary Batman Begins quote goes (lol).

[@MGSBigBoss77]

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[@JokerL1000]

@@MGSBigBoss77 Calm down it aint that serious 😂

[@MGSBigBoss77]

@JokerL1000 Be quiet i ain't angry!

[@Supersonicfan23744]

Great?

[@wdrewjr]

I wasn't upset by what Maher said because his opinion means nothing to me. He's a troll. He says things to get people riled up, and because of this you can never be sure what he really believes about anything.

[@Gregster8626]

So I guess Maher has never heard of Maus, Robert Crumb, 100 Bullets, Scalped, The Nam and The Fade In. I can understand him thinking superhero comics are childish but the medium itself is like all books in that it has varying degrees of sophistication. The medium has work aimed for adults. The first one I mention Maus is as an important piece of work about The Holocaust as Sophie's Choice and Shoa. The other books mentioned are as high quality of adult entertainment as anything you would get from HBO or FX.

[@MGSBigBoss77]

*I can understand him thinking superhero comics are childish but the medium itself is like all books in that it has varying degrees of sophistication. The medium has work aimed for adults.* Basically this! So well said, and so agreed.

[@spiderjeranimo4992]

...Transmetropolitan, Fables, Y The Last Man, Saga, The Walking Dead, Sin City, Preacher, The Sandman, Maus, Ghost World, V For Vendetta, Persepolis, The Invisibles.... The list of mature comics goes on and on, whats Bill done? star of 'Cannibal Women in the Avacardo Jungle of Death' and 'Bimbo Movie Bash'(real titles).

[@MGSBigBoss77]

Heavy Metal (i.e. Métal Hurlant), Marvel's old "Epic Comics", Swamp Thing, Frank Miller's; Sin City, Grant Morrison's 'Animal Man' Run, Robert Crumb's and Ralph Bakshi comics of the 1970's, Planetary, Akira (read by even kids in Japan, but overseas its the bulk of adults who have mainly read it though?), American Splendor, Shaolin Cowboy, The Authority, Warren Ellis'; 'Black Summer', 'Love And Rockets' and etc etc. Still haven't listed them all as that would be too long a process. Yo Bill? do you really think something like Conan The Barbarian is a kids level comic book??! hell every adult in their 30's to mid 50's has probably heard of; Elfquest! it has younger fans. but i guarantee you, the bulk of its fanbase the world over is mainly adult. As its themes weren't always low-level kid stuff throughout its entire run.

[@reedalbrecht6916]

Stories by writers like Stan Lee, Alan Moore, Frank Miller, Garth Ennis, etc. are more mature than anything Bill Maher has ever written.

[@blerksnarfgut7332]

Superheroes and comic books as we know them today do largely skew towards a juvenile sensibility. A grown man can jet through the air when wearing an iron suit? Adults running around streets in tights and shooting powers from their hands? Like, come on now! That's kids stuff and it can't really be denied. And the fact that both the Marvel and DC brands are becoming ever more diluted thanks to the overabundance of comic book-related movies and shows doesn't help matters. It's basically become the fast food of entertainment; it's superficial and unsubstantial. The ppl in this video are basically man-children themselves who spend most of their time oohing and aahing over first glimpse photos of actors in cheap-looking superhero costumes. I hate Bill Maher and I don't like that he attacked Stan Lee but there's an element of truth to what he said.

[@filiphovland2462]

The way I see it, Bill Maher lacks respect for other human beings. Thousands of people cried when we saw a CGI tree sacrifice his life for his friends, and a secret agent giving her life to get a mystical stone on a fictional planet. That he don't like that concept is perfectly OK, but to shit on people who like it and to say there is something wrong with them is just stupid. In Captain America: Civil War, Sharon says this: "Compromise where you can. Where you can't, don't. Even if everyone is telling you that something wrong is something right. Even if the whole world is telling you to move, it is your duty to plant yourself like a tree, look them in the eye, and say 'No, you move'." Something to stand behind when confronted by bullies and pricks

[@DarcyOliver]

He’s a guy who believes he holds great power but takes none of the Responsibility!

[@ectoplasmicentity]

Oh by the way I'm a conservative 36 year married, kid and mortgage, i will admit I have gotten dumber in the last 3 years ever since I've been into comics. Watching adults with toys behind them in youtube videos is embarrassing. But i will continue to watch them because I admit that this is my immature time.

[@capiseric]

The only thing I agree with him on is his take on free speech. He can use his to say dumb crap.

[@nathanbrady5648]

The reason he said this is he is a snarky edge queen and that is what he does. I have not heard Bill Maher's name in years. He is using Stan's death to create buzz about himself. It worked and everyone is talking about him.

[@nirvana213xxxz]

Not a bill Maher fan and now he’s more irrelevant then ever. Either way I’m a Ben Shapiro fan. R.i.p. Stan Lee and Jon Schnepp we miss you guys.

[@vfwarlordforever9589]

You guys hit the nail right on the head. Reading Comics and reading Novels are not mutually exclusive. Not only that, you don't have to denegrate comic books as just for children. At the very least, they are "family entertainment". A comic like the Walking Dead is clearly for adults. Bill Maher is out of touch. Really classy of him to speak ill of the dead.

[@seemavyas1675]

Bill said a country that loves comics that much votes for trump. but I bet a lot of the people who voted democrats also love stan lee's work. So that doesn't make sense.

[@italia689]

Also, he seems to have forgotten Hillary won the popular vote. Not that she is better than Trump.

[@kingkillerstripe1211]

Judging people for for race,religion and sexuality exactly what Bill Maher does so well said

[@NoThankYouToo]

Why do you have to make things tribal and political? We’re all just liberals and conservatives now? Why not the sharks and jets? This kind of thinking is madness.

[@acojo8205]

Bill Maher was the one that brought up Trump out of nowhere

[@NoThankYouToo]

Andrei Cojocariu No. Roxy did. Maher, as idiotic as he is, was speaking in broader terms about culture, and the consequences of our culture or lack thereof. Roxy made it a reflection of Maher as a member of “her team.” Her “liberal” (aka-leftist/progressive/woke, etc... VS her NEIGHBORS) team. As though, regardless of politics, we can’t all come together to agree Maher was being a jackass- again.

[@kingcrimson2643]

@@NoThankYouToo Bill made another comment later that people who think comic books are this all important thing are the reason Trump became president. He's just jealous more people are talking about comic book related things over himself.

[@thomasblock1164]

GTO, because if we were the sharks or jets we would all have to learn to sing and dance. To old for that. Seriously though, I'm not sure everyone understands your reference. (I do, and agree wholehearted.)

[@eduardomarquez5712]

Bill Maher would have been a Las Vegas comedian making lame jokes to depressed gamblers who lost at gambling games if HBO didn't needed a replacement for Dennis Miller Live.

[@jbearclowater]

Bill Maher and Armie Hammer can start a nice little club for themselves.

[@thegreyinitiate3680]

Justin Clowater haha and to think Armie Hammer was once the front runner to play Batman

[@reedalbrecht6916]

At least Armie Hammer apologized, Bill Maher won’t apologize because he’s got his head up his ass.

[@ETTMedia3700]

To be fair, Hammers comments weren't nearly as bad as Maher's. He didn't disrespect Stan Lee at all actually, just the people commemorating him.

[@seekingtruth4175]

In all honesty he is an atheist and that is exactly where it leads. He dictates morality and ethics and condemn those that disagree with him. If you’re an honest atheist, you cannot say Bill is wrong or right. He has an opinion that appears to be true to him.

[@spiderpig9777]

i don´t agree with Bill but i still love him.

[@hatphonestapler22]

spider pig same here

[@onslotx3219]

Bill Maher says comics are for kids. That’s like saying all cartoons are for kids. Meaning... Hentai is for kids too if you follow his logic.

[@curtisschultz6976]

He does the exact same thing with relgion

[@valjean3663]

Came here to say this. Conservatives, Muslims, and Christians have all known he was a douche for decades.

[@CavemanJesus4Life]

And the GOP

[@jbeihl1]

Yautja Prime who the fuck are you to be the arbiter on what is pathetic and disgusting? Go watch some more real time

[@mrtriplecorn4867]

@@blaze556922 "a person of sound moral judgement and above average intelligence" bahahahahahahahahahaba if you have to brag about being a good person .... you're not very good person. Imposing beliefs on someone else just because they don't like lazy, edgy people like you shitting on religion. I bet you were the kid in school who thought he was so smart cause he knew Santa clause didn't exist and felt really cool telling all the other kids. Have a good day, you silly goose. You shouldn't assume you're smart, it makes you look like an idiot.

[@lazychino8486]

Yautja Prime not all "religious" people are disgusting people on the planet, I have no idea where you got that from

[@roguetwo5903]

"What's a potato fart? I don't know." - Roxy

[@guyincognito1232]

People are overreacting to this. Who cares.

[@maximushermanite]

Dr Tad Winslow A lot of people.

[@peterallen6336]

Douche. A lot of us care. Stan Lees heroes inspired people. Why is it ok for people to mourn musicians yet comic books are below that?

[@ohboyhowdy1373]

Only every Stan Lee fan cares.

[@maximushermanite]

Mike Jack And yet comics are worth more money than anything Maher will every write. Haven’t you heard of the first Superman comic being sold at auction for a million dollars+? Yea, comics are worthless my ass.

[@njbauer02]

Mike Jack Have you ever read a comic?

[@joromo]

Bill Maher is absolutely right though. And I'm one of those Mankids that he speaks of. But guess what, I'm happy that I can keep that creative spirit that allows me to be more young at heart and not a miserable old man. So Bill Maher is correct, but I also thank Stan Lee for his creations.

[@Blastimal]

His show should be taken off the air. Disrespecting anyone in death like he has is worse then what Roseanne did. It's also not just the one person he hurts with his words but most likely a majority of the planet. People like him should not be allowed to have a platform to hurt others... This is just my opinion and I am cool if most disagree. I rarely speak out when I see something that rubs me the wrong way but I don't know a single person in my day to day life that isn't offended by this statement from an ignorant person. Said my peace. Thanks bro fro sharing your thoughts.

[@basicfilmblog]

Hurt others? Grow up ffs.

[@sanwalyousaf]

No it is most definitely not worse than what Roseanne did

[@jeffbachman2949]

Lmao hurt others? Please he said something you didn't like get over it! Maher has disliked comicbooks and there movies for years.

[@intelligencecycle3523]

@@jeffbachman2949 no cause he's a hypocrite he's played in iron man 3 the fact he participate in comics as little role he's In, too take stab poke fun at a guy of his creation cause of Trump is lunacy.

[@gaylenewood7707]

Isaiah Townsend Well then bill Maher should give the money back if he doesnt like the movies..

[@danholo]

I've heard from a friend who has worked with Bill that, well, he's a prick. I hope for Bill that he finds some peace because this is not proper behavior.

[@ShaunORourke]

I'm a fan of Stan Lee and Bill Maher. This is not that big a deal people.

[@maximushermanite]

Shaun O'Rourke To you and some other people it may not be, but to me and many others it is a pretty big deal. I mean, weather you like comic books or not, saying that people who read comic books are the reason for everything wrong in America? Surely you could understand how that would offend people?

[@ShaunORourke]

Maximus Hermanite I understand where you're coming from but this whole "internet outrage" is just a distraction from my point of view, BUT I respect how you feel.

[@spiderjeranimo4992]

I've defended Bill in the past but at this point i would'nt piss on him if he was on fire.

[@CaptainPikeachu]

It is important to point out when people you like do stupid things and need to be called out on. Bill Maher was being a hypocritical jerk and thus if people are angry for him for saying stupid shit, they are entitled to. When you are in a position of influence, your words matter and have an effect. If Bill Maher wants to hold Donald Trump accountable for all the stupid shit Trump does because of his lack of empathy and decorum, then people can just as equally hold Bill Maher accountable for his stupid shit and lack of empathy and decorum. It was an unnecessary and hateful comment and unbecoming of someone in a position of influence. People like him who wants to hold others to higher standards should not be hypocrites. Comics and movies affect the world just as much as anything else.

[@maximushermanite]

Shaun O'Rourke I get what you mean about internet outrage, how sometimes the internet takes things and blows them out of proportion. And we probably are making it a bigger problem than we should, I mean we should probably just ignore the guy, but it does make sense why people are angry about this. But I too respect your view/opinion man.👍

[@gocubs1815]

Bill Maher is the reason a band like Machine Head wrote a song like 'Aesthetics of Hate': "Oh, you tried to spit in the eye of a dead man's face Attacked the ways of a man not yet in his grave But your hate was over all too soon Because nothing is over, nothing's through 'til we bury you For the love of brother I will sing this fucking song Aesthetics of hate I hope you burn in hell, go Oh, the words I read on the screen left me fucking sick I felt the hatred rising, you son of a bitch You branded us pathetic for our respect But he made us driven, deep reverence far beyond the rest"

[@consumer-1147]

The guy has a point but it was way to soon seeing the dude just died

[@hkr0065]

The Academy Awards have had also similar views toward comic books *and* animation for decades. They may not be complete dicks about it, but they and *a good* amount of people probably never understood what Stan Lee was going for with these characters. These are the types of people who see vibrant colors and word balloons and tune out because they cant be objective enough to see past that stuff. Maher is a prick, but Im glad he said what he said. It highlights the huge prejudice that various people still have toward comic books. Animation (in America at least) is treated in the same exact way. People see Disney and tune out. People see animation that *isnt* Disney and tune out. Parents bring their infants to an animated movie. Etc. And ironically the creators of these 'kids' entertainment often know far more about tolerance than the sad folks who just dismiss it with a glance.

[@christophergarrett7082]

Bill maher is an jealous guy with his panties up in bunch cause he'll never reach the fame level of stan lee.. Comic books inspire everyone to be better people and follow there passion. I knew a guy that pretentious about people enjoying entertainment that he doesn't enjoy the same entertainment. The worst part is insulting people who enjoy comic books calling them childish. People who read comic books are fully functional adults who take care of themselves in the sane way as everybody.

[@matthewurso6840]

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[@galexeqe]

One of the reasons I learnt to read was because as a kid I would borrow friends comics and poured over them. This both improved my reading skills but also inspired my imagination and desire to move on to read actual books Maher gets it right to the point of moving on to reading books rather than graphic novels, this is a great thing to do as it inspires your own personal imagination. How often have we read a book and then seen a movie only to see it VASTLY different as to how we pictured it our mind as to when we read the book But if it wasn't for Stan Lee I wouldn't have that ability and if people, as adults, still like reading comics or graphic novels then so what at least they're reading Stan inspired us to READ and that is the only thing that counts

[@CMontgomeryBurns09]

Maher is like this any time he discusses pop culture. I follow Real Time religiously (get it?), but every time he starts on one of his anti-PC rants, interviews an actor, or goes off on how great Israel is, I check out. He goes from a provocative political comedian to a grandpa in 2 seconds flat.

[@CBright7831]

00:16 - I'm sure Bill Maher was interested in knowing what the Collider guy's opinion of his opinion was.

[@fixpontt]

your entire black panther argument is misleading about what Maher said

[@MGSBigBoss77]

We know, i'm like; Kristian WTF?

[@leod1510]

@@MGSBigBoss77 What? The entire point was saying comics are important to culture. Let me guess....you didn't like black panther lol

[@MGSBigBoss77]

Leo D I friggin loved Black Panther moron! So stop trying to 'guess', as it makes you look pretty stupid on here o.k. Now beat it and go away boy!

[@fixpontt]

@@leod1510 Maher did not say comic books are not important to culture.... he condemned that fact, saying this being childish, for example Malcolm X in 1992 was the movie for black community what BP being today.... but the intellectual differences are unfortunately too big and it is not favorable to BP, Maher basically said generations become dumber and dumber and even their idols/heroes become dumber and dumber what Kristian said is not the refutation of this idea

[@Revanthorn]

@@fixpontt The argument is that comic books can address important issues of humanity and contribute and inspire people especially children to be heroic. The position that comic books are unintelligent meaningless pages of fancy is fallacy of unenlightened ignorance. Our world has been forever shaped by mythology and legendary stories of wonder, comic books are in many ways a continuation of that medium.

[@grobanworldnews4216]

I love Neil Gaiman's response to Maher on Twitter.

[@italia689]

What did it say?

[@Andrew-bf2oj]

It's an opinion, get over it. Enjoy what you enjoy.

[@CaptainPikeachu]

When you put an opinion out there, you are inviting others to comment on that opinion. Bill Maher could have just gotten over it and said nothing but he chose to speak, so people have a right to respond. That's life.

[@Andrew-bf2oj]

@@CaptainPikeachu explaining how dialogue works...we would be lost without your deep wisdom. Once you deal with real problems in life, you'll understand.

[@thegreyinitiate3680]

There has always been a stigma when it comes to regularly reading and being a fan of comic books. That stigma has lessened over the last 10-15 years with the advent of successful comic book movie franchises, but it is still there. I was just having a similar conversation with someone I work with last week about why there is such a large disparity in cultural acceptance between people who regularly watch and follow sports, and the people who do the same with comics. It’s always struck me as odd, that if someone wanted to have an in depth conversation about the Red Sox’s home run percentage per game during the last World Series, they would readily find it, but if someone wanted to talk about the ramifications of Dick Grayson getting shot in the head a few weeks ago, they get looked at like they’re a leper. Granted, the internet has opened up the ability to find like minded people and converse with them, but as a cultural standard, you’d be way more likely to run into someone at the grocery store who would want to talk about sports than about an assassination attempt on Nightwing. How does being devoted to one thing make you better than someone who is just as devoted to something else? That’s my question.

[@Quehood]

Relax guys Bill Mahr is great he's jus wrong about this...

[@justinchan6043]

Before I comment on this particular topic, here's a little bit of what informed my opinion: I loved to read comic books as a kid. I still own my 500+ collection of comic books. I still read comics/graphic novels from time to time. I went to college and majored in English literature, so I have also read quite an abundance of what Maher would call, "big boy books." I have probably read more "big boy books," than Bill Maher. At one point in my life, I probably did "graduate from comic books to big boy books," but I did it, not because I thought of it as "growing up." No, I went full on reading novels, because I wanted to become a novelist. So, I was purely thinking about my own personal desires/goals. Even though I made the conscious choice that I made, I completely disagree with Bill Maher. I think that people should be able to enjoy both comic books or graphic novels, along with novels or nonfiction books. But with that being said, I do agree with Maher, if the point he is trying to make is that not enough people read actual books. This is true. I interact and meet with new people all the time and I can tell when I am speaking to someone who reads or someone who does not read. And there are way too many people out there that do not read...anything at all. And I absolutely feel that if more people read comic books, than nothing at all, we would be better off. But I do want more people to go and read actual books. We need to keep challenging our minds and if we do not, like any other muscle, it will deteriorate. So, I think the greater truth would be: because so many people do not read anything at all, that is why the current president got elected. It is true that we are not a smart group of people (Americans). Just look at our average test scores, compared to other developed countries. What are we, ranked like 24? In the world, in literacy and in math, I mean. That is woefully insufficient. No wonder we have problems electing the most experienced person to run our country. But I digress. We absolutely need comic books. We should not compare Stan Lee to trees or air. Yes, comic books are not essential to life. But without stories, without art, what is the value of that life? William Shakespeare wrote in, "King Lear," “O, reason not the need! Our basest beggars are in the poorest thing superfluous. Allow not nature more than nature needs, man’s life’s as cheap as beast’s.” My point (and Shakespeare's) is that, what are we? Are we beasts, that all we care about, all we need are the basic necessities to keep us alive? Is just having food, air, water, and shelter enough for us, as human beings? No! We need art! We need books! We need comics! And we need people like Stan Lee to create them for us! I am a writer of novels, short stories, screenplays, and poetry. I'm sure I have written and read more than Bill Maher, by the age of 21 than he has his entire life. Yet, if Marvel wanted to offer me a job writing comic books, I'd take that in a heart-beat.

[@justinchan6043]

And I'd also like to iterate that, it's absolutely not the fault of comic book readers, why the current president is sitting in the Oval Office. I would dare say that most comic book readers probably voted for Hillary Clinton, didn't vote at all, or voted for a 3rd party candidate. Comic book readers are too smart, too compassionate, have a deep rooted moral fiber and convictions to ever vote for such a "pussy grabber." No. A comic book reader would never vote for that man. It would be like voting for the Kingpin or Lex Luthor. No. We don't want people like Lex Luthor running the country. We learned that very, very early on.

[@Weezing336]

This is nothing new from Bill maher. He's said a lot of dumb things over many many years. His stand up was the same thing. Just giving condescending statements.

[@concord327]

He shouldn't be allowed to use the Spider-man Analogy when arguing with religious folk.

[@milespardoe5145]

Maher is right. People just don't like opinions that don't align with theirs. They want to live in an echo chamber

[@MGSBigBoss77]

Opinions are like assholes everyone got one? thats not the point, the point is regardless of rights you need to draw the line somewhere's and show some class. Bill Maher's an idiot and a disgusting person for what he said, having an opinion doesn't justify his comments or the right to say it at all. You need to have facts in life not bullshit disrespectful opinions and quit the whole 'child-like' want to always throw that 'my right to an opinion' B.S. in somebody else's face. Because there are places in the world where a wrongly put across 'opinion' will see you friggin getting killed outright o.k.!

[@milespardoe5145]

@@MGSBigBoss77 Disgusting? Behave. He said comic books are stupid. He didn't say I'm happy *insert person* has died.

[@MGSBigBoss77]

@miles pardoe He Went after Stan Lee or did you not even see the original comments he made? given your answer here you clearly haven't so go away and quit embarrassing yourself child.

[@milespardoe5145]

@@MGSBigBoss77 He said he doesn't believe his legacy is that important. And he was right. He stole most his stuff from ditko

[@GaZaRaVe]

Lmaoo im sorry that is hilarious coming from bill maher who LITERALLY lives in an establishment elite bubble... isnt this the same insightful commentator that thinks all millenials care about is their avocado toast and not policy???

[@adamromero]

Bill Maher is one of those old guys that thinks everything from your childhood is off limits as an adult. You can act like a mature adult and still enjoy comic books.

[@kiantamar]

Just because somebody is not on your side in one single occasion that doesn't make the manifestation all evil. Sorry Collider Crew you are being the *internet trolls* you claim to hate.

[@spiderpig9777]

yeah in this case i don't agree with Bill, but that's ok. People are way to sensitive these days

[@danghty]

Kian M.Tamar an hour? the length of this video is 11 minutes

[@migwel13]

@@kiantamar Its not because he doesnt like what we like thats got people angry, its because he went out of his way to disrespect Stan Lees legacy and to call tje people that appreciate what he contributed stupid, of course people are going to bite back when he publicly comes out and says "your all stupid" and why shouldnt they? If he had come out and said "I personally dont like comicbooks" then thats fine, but when he came out and said "I personally dont like comicbooks, and if you do then youre stupid" then that is not fine. Do you get it?

[@johnathonhaney8291]

@Michael Anderson Think I know why too. He's 62, watching a lot of similarly aged peers of his suffer untimely deaths, looking at his life and starting to really hate himself. And in turn, he's taking that out on everybody who's likely to survive him that he feels shouldn't.

[@mercutioescalus6782]

He could’ve gone about it in a respectful manner but he decided to badmouth Stan and his life’s work after his passing

[@JokerisWild4]

For those who don't understand Bill Maher, he doesn't respect any fictional works as important art. He only respects non fiction, facts and history that we can learn from. This may have come from hating religion and writing those off as fictional stories which do nothing for humanity. He essentially has the same take on superhero movies as Martin Scorsese.

[@doggfacejr]

Potato chip farts? I think Bill Maher would blow you guys out of the water in the insult department. Yes He can be a real asshole on certain things. And he's completly wrong about all things comic book. But I still find him funny, intelligent, and insightful especially in this terrible trump era.

[@afifmajid8754]

bill maher and his fellow tv hosts are the reason we're in this terrible trump era

[@tmartin664]

I like Bill Maher, Collider is condescending all the time, case in point when u guys belittled fans who hated The Last Jedi.

[@oscarortiz1529]

torrean martin poor example. Collider shitted on last Jedi but not on the entire Star Wars mythology or even science fiction genre which is what Maher did with dismissing all comic book films

[@MGSBigBoss77]

Reilly puts and ranks The Last Jedi over Rogue One?, Nah they didn't all shit on it. Some of them have shilled for whatever reasons, and liked it supposedly!

[@MasterChris666]

Last jedi sucks balls

[@MGSBigBoss77]

Not according to Reilly it don't, to him its better than Rogue One (rolls eyes) 25:37 and throughout. Sigh!

[@CaptainPikeachu]

@@MGSBigBoss77 Who the hell cares where someone ranks a Star Wars movie, just because someone likes something doesn't make them a shill. You and nobody else is the arbiter for other people of what and who they should like. Chill out.

[@juantwo32]

Let’s just all agree, watch the entire Marvel movie collection when Bill Mar finally hits the bucket.

[@PitBoss_90]

Politics have nothing to do with this. An ass is an ass no matter what side you're on

[@MegaSilverBlood]

speaking ill of the dead is top 3 shittiest, most despicable, most cowardly things you can do as a human, ever, period. especially when the person youre talking about wasnt a bad person.

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

I will tell you WHy Bill said these things...its was the realization that when he Dies nobody will say anything remotely like this about Him. jealousy Pure and simple.

[@ThatJunkman]

I stopped caring long ago about what other people say or think

[@ahhcmon9604]

The media told us that black panther was the best thing since sliced bread and it was only okay

[@blankslate7315]

I’m pretty sure that comics like The Walking Dead and Killing Joke and Sin City, etc. weren’t necessarily intended for an audience of exclusively children considering the violence, swearing, adult themes, gore, sex, drugs and so on that can be found in those pages.

[@speeknoevil1803]

X-Men came out in 2000. Next year there are more movies based on Stan's comic book's hitting theater's. For 19 years Stan's characters have employed thousands of people & grossed billions of dollars. What's Mayer's claim to fame? A little pissy political talk show about nothing on HBO. Somewhere soon you'll be in public Bill. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes for nothing. You've offended millions. Good luck.

[@triclopesesquire9078]

He never misses an opportunity to remind everyone he donated a million $ to the DNC.

[@dootslayer3907]

Bill Maher looks like he is always sniffing farts and simultaneously looks disgusted at the same time.

[@3dstuffin]

Stan lee was able to bring families together in the worst of times for over 60 years, and he did it with a pencil and paper. Mr bill cant bring 2 parties together no matter what he says, and he has the power of television.

[@yellow8686]

in other news: The sky is blue, water is wet and there are trees in forests

[@manoftomorrow79]

I'm confused on the subject in that Maher was positive in past tense? I'm a conservative and every time I cross paths with a liberal. Wither it be online or in person,they always come off as negative people. I've heard that liberals claim to be tolerant and stand up for others. But then when Maher says something offensive liberals always make excuses for him. But if a conservative did the same,liberals would want the person fired.

[@hollandianova]

Totally agree with your comments and would like to add that not only did Stan mean so much to so many but he was also a 'good' and genuine guy.