Bill Nye Ken Ham Debate Summed Up In Two Very Telling Answers

"On Tuesday evening more than 3 million people tuned in to watch "Science Guy" Bill Nye debate Ken Ham, founder of the biblically literalist Creation Museum on the topic "Is creation a viable model of origins?"
Is creation a viable model of origins in today's modern, scientific era? Creation Museum head Ken Ham is joined at the Creation Museum by Emmy Award-winning science educator and CEO of the Planetary Society Bill Nye.
Mr. Ham believes that the world was created over a six 24-hour-day period about 6,000 years ago, and that all living land animals today are descended from those taken aboard Noah's Ark some 4,500 years ago.
Nye challenged Ham's literal biblical view on several fronts, pointing out that radioisotopic and ice core data shows that the Earth has been around for far longer than the 6,000 years that Ham says it is, as does our ability to view stars that are more than 6,000 light years away. Nye also pointed out that Noah's Ark, were it constructed the way the Bible says it was, wouldn't actually stay afloat. "* The Young Turks hosts Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian break it down.
*Read more here from Sudeshma Chowdhury / Christian Science Monitor:
www.csmonitor.com/Science/2014...
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[@samadams1408]

How to become an atheist: 1 - think about any religion other than your own 2- think about three reasons that you don't believe that religion to be true 3 - apply those reasons to your own religion

[@TheOutsider69]

Apt.

[@YuThinkUrCool]

I've tried that many times. sadly it isn't enough. they think the points that exempt other religions from validity don't apply to their own. religion, I think, saddens me more than any other imaginary concept on this planet that keeps people seperated. second being nationalism/race, the next being money.

[@zombies8mygf615]

That made zero sense. Did you quote Ken Ham's crazy ass?

[@samadams1408]

+Wayne Cramp So you're saying that your religion is exempt from whatever rules you apply to other religions?

[@samadams1408]

+cad80 24 Unless you can tell us why Christianity should be exempt from the criticisms that you levy against Odin or Zeus it's that simple.

[@UltimateBargains]

If nothing in reality would change your belief, then your belief is based on nothing in reality.

[@UltimateBargains]

I've heard it from many others without attribution. I don't know who originally said it, but it was likely someone from an atheistic philosophical background.

[@alexanderplatypus3664]

UltimateBargains Checkmate creationists

[@davidarmes9002]

Alexander Platypus LOL! I was just going to say "Checkmate evolutionists"!!!

[@davidarmes9002]

Aaron Davis I can't remember now. My computer acts up when I try to reply and it will occasionally for some weird reason just erase my post. So, frustrating! But, yea, my religion? I read the Holy Bible first and get my answers before I talk to our priests. Sometimes I don't even talk to the priests. Especially hearing about their crimes against humanity. The two priests that married us have been laicized (kicked out) for being pedophiles just a couple of years ago. All in total we've known seven priests that have been kicked out and some have gone to jail besides being sued in Civil Court for $200,000 per abuse. That really sucks. But I still belong to them and do charitable works with the Catholic Church. At least that part is all Catholic members that exclude the priests and is truly enjoyable. I just avoid the priests as much as possible. After my experience with those seven ex-priests... well I don't know what to say. Peace to them as I keep praying for their souls.

[@garrettanderson7226]

+UltimateBargains I disagree. Science is deductive; it is an ongoing compiling of evidence and data to deduce rational and backed up conclusions in the hopes of one day developing certainty. Religions are inductive in nature; Certainty is established from the beginning. It is immediately granted that god is real, created the world, etc., and then from these premises conclusions on the sciences of biology, physics, etc. are made. nothing can change the beliefs of an individual devoted to a religion because the entirety of his reasoning revolves around the certainty of his god; you cannot debate the belief of origin with someone who is 100% certain they already know the origin. it makes no sense. this is why an debate between science and religion is doomed to an inconclusive stalemate and/or both parties thinking the other is of little intelligence. Scientists devote their lives to finding answers, while religious people devote their loves to the answers they already have found

[@citizenboobyboobs1480]

On behalf of Australia, I would like to apologize to all thinking and educated people for giving you Ken Ham.

[@qhsperson]

You can take Mel Gibson back.

[@citizenboobyboobs1480]

.ghsperson, Well, we should, shouldn't we, but, he has insulted to many of us with his radical Catholicism. I hope, the paedophiles in Vatican would consider taking him in. One more dick-brain should not matter.

[@oneandaboveall]

he was born in New york they can have him back

[@j.jarvis7460]

But yet you believe in something as foolish as Bill ... Where do you think he got his ability to see right and wrong? After all that only comes from the bible.

[@qhsperson]

_TriGalaxy_ You do realize that you're calling any person, living or dead, who doesn't subscribe to your particular religion, immoral? All of them? All the billions of them?

[@BobBob-of7fg]

If you're told a lie enough times you'll eventually accept it as a truth.

[@text-8364]

+J Bin if you're told a lie enough times you'll eventually accept it as truth.

[@jbin2424]

+max dawe thats a lie too

[@JoelRiter]

+J Bin if you're told a lie enough times you'll eventually accept it as truth.

[@jbin2424]

also a lie

[@JoelRiter]

J Bin If you're told a lie enough times you'll eventually accept it as truth.

[@stwahbewwy]

"Would anything change your mind?" Ham: "No." Nye: "Evidence."

[@Dreadnaught1985]

That to me was the most telling answers. Bill was saying "show me somewhere that the 2 different ages of fossils are found together"

[@haiggoh]

Dreadnaught1985 Exactly, that's all they would have to do. That's why I consider creationism to not even be fringe science, but actually nothing short of a conspiracy theory. If the evidence really existed, just consider the effort it would take to suppress it! Especially considering that, as Bill pointed out, anyone who would be able to present such evidence would go down in history? It's a preposterous claim that virtually all renowned science societies in the world are part of one gigantic cover-up operation, for no apparent reason whatsoever.

[@MrHabs1993]

excellent comment

[@contagious6969]

Dreadnaught1985 Finally a sane person in this world. Have been telling people that religious indoctrination is one of the highest forms of child abuse imo and also child neglect to not formally educate them and allow them to make their own decisions on metaphysical entities if they so choose to believe such nonsense.

[@BigRalphSmith]

NevilleRhysBarnes I really liked Bill Mahers comment; "a cult has someone at the top that knows it's all bullshit. In a religion, that person is dead". LOL

[@jonathankent1517]

The second Ken Ham said "No you will not convince me that the Bible is wrong", Bill Nye (or anyone for that matter) should've said "Then what is the point of this debate?", because if you've decided from the get go that your just going to reject any and all arguments and evidence presented to you, then debating you on anything is pointless. Ken Ham did this debate for one reason, to partake in ideological self-indulgence. He basically just wanted to spout his beliefs and ignore what anyone else had to say. Bill Nye won this debate before he stepped out on stage.

[@EbonyManta]

***** All right, I want to throw my own two cents in, an thd I want to do it in a more... polite manner than Tim. But there are so many things to comment on I don't know where to begin, and I think they'd make this comment too long. I'll start with the first and last things you said... roughly. "When the scientists finish climbing the mountain of truth they will be met by Christians who have been there for centuries." I encountered that exact phrase once before on here, which makes me suspect it's being parroted from some creationist site. Anyway, the first time I read it, I thought... and I came up with a reply, which I am pleased I can actually use. Centuries ago, Christians believed that diseases were caused by demonic influence. But we now know that they're actually caused by various things, from harmful microbes to genetic defects. You can't be at the top of the mountain of truth if you're wrong about absolutely anything. All it takes is one error to make you wrong, so anyone who says that the Bible is completely right is completely wrong. Same goes for anyone who claims to know the truth about everything. You can't really reach the top of the mountain of truth anyway, it's like trying to compute Pi. You can get closer and closer to it but never really reach it, since there's some things we'll never know, like what all the species of jellyfish were at the time of the dinosaurs, since jellyfish leave no direct fossils. Unless, of course, we invent a device that can basically look back in time, but I'm not getting my hopes up. And Christians certainly can't know or explain everything, definitely not why God would design our eyes such that the nerves plug into the front of the lens and not the back. I mean, seriously. Anyway... "we see apes producing apes, humans producing humans." Both statements are true... at the same time, because humans ARE apes. We do see humans producing humans and chimpanzees producing chimpanzees, but we also see species diverge and evolve. We also see in the fossil record the common ancestor of both chimpanzees and humans, at a time when no fossils of either daughter species exist, and we have transitional fossils from that to humans. You have to look into the past to understand the present, otherwise we'd never solve murders, for instance. You'd also, conceivably, take a look at French speaking French and Italians speaking Italian, and conclude that they've always been speaking those languages... when in reality we know that they both descended from Latin. I could argue against Pascal's Wager, too, but if you really wanted to you could look it up on Wikipedia. Wikipedia's great, they have both sides of all sorts of things, from Pascal's Wager to the Watchmaker Analogy.

[@EbonyManta]

Tim H Well, that's true. A more accurate analogy would be that the more places you compute Pi to, the more accurate your calculation of the circumference of a circle is... and as a bonus, you get further away from what the bible says Pi would be, which is 3. I really don't know how an apologist would weasel his way out of that one... As for my approach to conversation... I know that insulting someone is never the way to convincing someone... the only way is if they trust someone. And of course we know they trust no one more than the bible. But I know the temptation is strong. I recall one creationist giving this very long comment (I think it was over 3000 lines) trying to argue against evolution... and he got so many things wrong I was resisting the temptation to just slam my head into the desk and say, "HOW can you be this STUPID!?" Thankfully, someone with more patience, eloquence, and knowledge went and refuted every single one of his points. I actually learned a little bit about evolution that day.

[@moloney118]

He also did it so he can say I debated Bill Nye

[@oldgeezy1460]

Tim H I agree with you but unfortunately most ppl do like to have arguements over someone's belief's it's sad really.

[@inzombiacaaron5077]

The debate isnt to convince each other. Bill nye has his mind made upp too btw

[@Breakbeats92.5]

How Bill kept himself from walking over to Hams podium to strangle him is beyond me. That takes a degree of professional restraint that is not of this world.

[@napo2k11]

he's got a lot of patience for absurdity..

[@LolLol-ov3fs]

its not patience, but deep humbling sympathy for the people who cling onto religious beliefs because he knows how scary and fearful and unsettling it can be to be lost and confused and in the darkness and found comfort in some concept/belief that brought their lives together. its hard for younger people today to understand and appreciate the pain of the older generations, many of which had very few opportunities to explore the world and find the truth themselves. the daily toil, work, hustle, surviving, its hard work and the only thing freely available to rest the mind and soul is religion. and on that basis they build their lives and plant their moral values. we shouldn't hate or feel disgusted by their beliefs, but instead be like Nye , understand the circumstances from which the older generations grew up in and be glad that they found something to believe in that makes life worthwhile. remember life is a process. and without the sacrifices and however unscientific lives led by our ancestors, we wouldn't have the luxury today to be discussing science vs religion.

[@Wolfsbane1100]

I understand why people can follow religions, and I can understand why people can love them, and base their lives around them. The hatred that I harbor towards religions are the churches and the people that abuse those religions for themselves. Those that use religion for monetary or political gain, those that use it to push their own agendas, and those that use it as a scapegoat to excuse what is otherwise inexcusable behavior.

[@qhsperson]

Think of the years of prep time he's had working with children. Ham's not that different from a smart-ass five-year-old.

[@sauravvinod4411]

people would have needed to pry my hands from ham's neck with a crow bar if I was nyr

[@maximumgaming5o483]

I watched the entire debate! Anyone else?

[@cuttle9901]

Did u get brain cancer from mr spams arguments? If not...wow...........

[@Ntnt11]

me too lol . At first I thought Ham was onto something but it all went down the drain when he started the debate.

[@god5620]

at the end he just wanted to go home and go to sleep and never show his face again

[@kristillery5078]

I couldn't watch most of it, because I felt embarrassed for Ken.

[@alexanderlinderson2655]

Given the gravity of the debate i'd hope everyone watch all of it :P Religion has been around for so long, seing it slowly getting debunked is a very important event to take part in! So yes xD I watched the entire thing.

[@Dinofly4]

"The bible says." You have to prove the bible is correct first before using it as a legitimate source, you missed a crucial step there Ken.

[@purplericee]

+Twinsen Right. So what I'm just suppose to pick up a book and believe it? He's implanting that do as you're told and don't ask questions.

[@mohamedabdulla6303]

+Choua Khang So true on so many levels, the thing with theists is that they first believe in a religion before any major evidence. Especially those who were raised under a religion.

[@Dinofly4]

Justin Nitsuj I have no time for the warped logic of strangers trying to validate their beliefs. "the is evidence and we ourselves are the evidence" What you have stated are nothing more than unsubstantiated claims and recursive logic. You can believe what you want but don't pretend that it's a perfect reflection of reality. You may find happiness in the bible but to claim that everyone would and using that as evidence is completely illogical. Especially since there are some questionable things in the bible. I'm sure islamic people would easily say the exact same thing you did about the quran and it would hold as much validity, which is none.

[@Dinofly4]

Justin Nitsuj I know, it's pretty amazing.

[@Dinofly4]

Justin Nitsuj We have evidence of cells changing (That's why viruses and vaccines to combat them exist) but we have no evidence of men being created from soil or women being created from a rib or any of that, there is more evidence for the position of cellular growth. Are you actually going to back up any of your claims this time or are you just going to attempt to cast doubt again?

[@bruceleeroy8302]

To simplify John's point at the end: when a Christian asks me why I don't believe, I say, "do you know all of those other religions out there that you reject? Well, I feel the same way about yours."

[@krumplethemal8831]

I have studied Buddhism and there is absolutely no crazy dogmas or insane stories of killing or destruction or punishments. It is pure psychology and examination of the ego and self. There is no hype for either heaven or hell. Both are considered residing in samsara still which is not the purpose of Buddhist thought. With all that said are there violent Buddhists in the world? Sure but nothing in the sutras suggest this behavior so their motivations for violence come from other sources and had they in fact practiced the dharma they wouldn't be resorting to violence.

[@ellie7646]

you need to study how asian religions work in general

[@riddle672]

It’s beyond many people’s intelligence to understand about Dharma…

[@giovannilugo.]

Hmm

[@Trasher1025]

buddhism seems to be the only religion that actually seems believable, not in a traditional sense, but in the fact that it helps you as a person, rather than other religions which debate about things for all time

[@snfonseka]

Buddhism doesn't support creationism, just want to point that out.

[@jevmat5263]

Moon I thought of nirvana as a state of mind rather than a place

[@Mhats]

everyone who a buddhist will burn in hell for all eternity because the lord loves them.

[@weewoo719]

Madhatterx that makes no sense. U do realize that right?

[@Mhats]

what happens to people who don't believe in christ?

[@weewoo719]

oohh yeah according to the bible they die. I was only confused that non-believers die because the lord loves them haha

[@6chhelipilot]

I have personally witnessed a miracle! Bill Nye's supreme patience when confronted by blinding ignorance.

[@fleshanthos]

I don't have even an iota of such patience.

[@fleshanthos]

***** bullshit. You have given no proof for your myth whatsoever.

[@fleshanthos]

I don't have a myth. I have only facts. Verifiable facts. None of them include the least *shred* of support of *any* god. Anywhere.

[@m1x3r17]

People like you make me mad, slurring religion

[@ragdo2121]

darthmarvel it's too easy to slur, it's bull shit and filled with low IQ morons populating the pews because they can't handle the truth of existence.

[@Ebolahill88]

This is why Dawkins no longer debates creationists. Who was it who said debating a creationist is like playing chess against a pidgeon. It knocks over all the pieces then claims it's won.

[@bunnixdoll7563]

This was a beautiful. This is a beautiful analogy.

[@Ebolahill88]

***** Lol, must have.

[@Ebolahill88]

Kylie Phillips Who said it originally tho?

[@Phraustt]

The quote is from Scott D. Weitzenhoffer. What I've heard is that it was an off-the-wall comment in an Amazon review.

[@zeldagamegod]

How do the pigeons claim victory?

[@bard6184]

Read the Bible. Become an atheist.

[@altvertue347]

Why would an atheist need to read the bible? Waste of time.

[@bard6184]

The Deer I don't agree. Knowing the central texts of the Christians and the Muslims are knowing much about the world. Also, the Bible contains a lot of literary allusions. Knowing it enriches the experience of reading many classics in literature.

[@altvertue347]

lewiss1100 No thanks, i'm fine with what I've got.

[@altvertue347]

Mister Anthropy I really don't *need* to read it, how is it going to help me get through life?

[@altvertue347]

Mister Anthropy I'm not a man of faith, alright? But I am willing to believe there's something, a reason to why we're here/ Maybe there is a higher power. In my personal opinion I think that religion is a man made thing. If you don't like my opinion, at least learn to respect it. I can respect religion, I just don't believe in it. I can see why though, having faith in something higher that is benevolent, omniscient, omnipotent etc can be comforting.

[@altvertue347]

Bill Nye the Science guy vs Ken Ham the Creationist man.

[@altvertue347]

***** Bait.

[@mattiasljungblad4827]

I would watch that death battle

[@RustyRayWay]

Just me! Lol

[@CheshireShade]

@@mattiasljungblad4827 This may or may be an illustration inspired off of SNES Mortal Kombat game.

[@fantasychan76]

The debate in a nutshell: Bill Nye: *responds with logic* Ken Ham: But the bible! Bill Nye: *responds with facts* Ken Ham: But the bible! Bill Nye: *responds with more facts* Ken Ham: But the bible! It's like playing chess with a pigeon.

[@edwardkenway5064]

fantasychan76 noice

[@TrollermanSixtysevan]

fantasychan76 MAGGIE?!?!

[@doraaaa0613]

fantasychan76 "Uhm.... Well, Bill....... There's this *book*,"

[@nunoalexctx]

fantasychan76 NOT A PIGEON IT SEEMS MORE LIKE A PARROT AHAHAHAHAHH

[@formerevolutionist]

fantasychan76 Bill Nye used logic, alright. Faulty logic. He was using the unwarranted extrapolation fallacy and assumed that correlation proved causation.

[@riparianlife97701]

Ken Ham wants to build an ark to teach everyone the story of Noah. The moral of the story of Noah's Ark is that sometimes, you just have to kill everyone. It's important to teach our kids that genocide is good, right?

[@antiHUMANDesigns]

I don't understand why christians want to remind everyone that god made a huge mistake and lost control over his creation and had to destroy everything and start over again. That sounds like something they'd want to sweep under the rug, considering they're claiming he's "perfect" and can't make mistakes.

[@hawk8403]

When god flies down from heaven and scoops up all the people in his club, all of you blathering atheists are going to burn. While you are burning and screaming, I'll be chilling in heaven munching on a Carl's jr. angus thick burger with some kris cut fries and a 67 oz. Doctor Pepper with all of my favorite dead people. I tithe 30% of my income so I know for damn sure my ass is going to get front row seats to watch my all loving all mighty god launch his attack on the world. I can't wait

[@riparianlife97701]

hawk8403 Let me pick that statement apart. First of all, you blasphemed and broke God's holy commandment by saying his name in vain, and didn't capitalize it. Then you said he has to fly down from Heaven, denying his omnipresence. He is in all places at once, and therefore doesn't have to fly anywhere. Then you talk about his club. I have no idea what that is. Is that a penis reference? Then that whole Hell thing. You do realize that's an invention of the Catholic Church long after the Bible was written, right? Then let's go ahead and grade you as a fisher of men. Are you even trying to lure us into your cult like the Bible says you're supposed to? It doesn't seem like you are. And now let's wrap up this whole ball of irony and put a bow on it. You're arguing your bronze age philosophy on a computer. You know how to use a computer. That puts you 2000 years beyond the ignorant, incestuous goat herders who wrote the Bible. They didn't even know where the sun goes at night. As ignorant as you are, you know far more about the world than Matthew, Mark, Luke or John, or even Jesus.

[@hawk8403]

I tried but failed to expose my sarcasm enough I guess. I thought your comment was great. Please tell me that you laughed a little when reading my comment. That is what I was going for.

[@riparianlife97701]

hawk8403 I was being sarcastic, too, Hawk. I've been following you :)

[@PaulAllen99]

As an Australian, glad we got this one off our soil haha. Yet another crazy nut

[@michelhaineault6654]

+132CODfreak Well can you bring Bill Lye with is brothers the taipan

[@rijden-nu]

+132CODfreak Yes, and that we were able to partly exchange him for Lawrence Krauss \o/

[@MegaAppleshit]

+132CODfreak You guys are so damn lucky we lost the receipt. We would really like to make a return. Are you sure we can't get a refund?

[@PaulAllen99]

MegaAppleshit All sales are final, many apologies. Please read the infinitely long terms and conditions if you have any further queries :P

[@baavvb3020]

+132CODfreak common take him back hahaha :)

[@Splackavellie85]

I love how you could give an oral thesis, supported by facts, logic, reasoning and empirical proof for over half an hour, only to see all of it dismissed with "that's not what it says in the Bible, so it's not true". Bill Nye should be commended at length for not facepalming every time Ken Ham opened his mouth. How could any rational human being in 2016 possibly buy into this religious nonsense?

[@ramaSwamp]

I literally facepalmed every time Ham opened his mouth.

[@Splackavellie85]

ShadwSonic Setting aside the fact that that isn't what most scientists claim: why can you not? Also: "supernatural" is a very loosely defined term in your argument. What parameters are you associating to that term?

[@ramaSwamp]

ShadwSonic By the way you write, you are biting more than you can chew. You are trying way too hard to seem smarter than you trully are. Have a little humility, son.

[@ShadwSonic]

+Logorrheic First, your comment only JUST appeared (scratch that, the first one STILL hasn't appeared on this page for some reason) while I was typing my last one, be more patient next time. Second, the whole POINT of being completely outside of the rules of science is that he doesn't NEED a cause! What you were thinking when you asked me that question is EXACTLY what I was thinking when I first asked "what caused Nature"... except that MY position has a logically consistent out.

[@ShadwSonic]

+Logorrhiec Exactly, CAUSALITY DOESN'T APPLY TO HIM. As would be expected of the being that CREATED CAUSALITY IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!! A game developer isn't bound by the physics of the game he's just programmed after all! The point of the First Cause argument isn't to place something that follows that law as the ultimate origin of all things, it's the exact opposite: to PROVE that such a thing CANNOT be in that position! It isn't special pleading, it's systematically eliminating all other possibilities! And when that happens, whatever is left, no matter HOW absurd it may seem to you, MUST be the case! P.S. This question isn't showing up in the comment string either... not sure how that keeps happening, but there you have it.

[@headspace261]

And what I think many evolutionists would come down to is this...there's nothing wrong with being a christian and believing in God. That's a right you received at birth. However, you cannot deny facts that we have proven mathematically and have repeatedly supported time and time again with evidence.

[@kentonbaird9814]

Proven what?

[@headspace261]

Kenton Baird Facts and laws of our universe that we have discovered by using the scientific method.

[@FECtetra1918]

Kenton Baird That creationism is bullshit, for example.

[@KrisMayeaux]

What you don't understand is that science starts out with a huge presupposition -- that only physical matter exists, including there is no Supreme Being who created the universe and life. So what is left after this assumption is simply naturalistic explanations. No matter how much teleological evidence there is for an Intelligent Being, it is denied and dismissed due to the starting assumption. Christians are accused of starting out with the assumption of a Supreme God, but atheists also have their assumptions. Therefore science cannot be trusted as Truth, because it does not refute God, cannot refute God, but just doesn't address the question of God, except to assume that no God exists. So all the evidence we have could just as easily and even more accurately fits the evidence, but it is not even considered. Look at the DNA molecule for instance. The complexity is almost beyond belief and it has every appearance of being designed, programmed, engineered by an intelligence, yet when could it have evolved if a product of evolution? It is the only form of life we have any record of from the very beginning of the dawn of life and science admits it could not have self-created or self-organized. It's far too complex.

[@prussiaslilgilbird]

First off, yes I CAN and I will. Would you like to discuss Christianity, Evolution, or the rules of reason and debate? Three totally separate playing fields, by the way. Going off of the rules of reason and debate: I've said it thrice and I'll say it again. Scientific facts based on Evolutionist theories and coming from the mouth of an Evolutionist mean nothing except to the Evolutionist who shares his background and bias. Your "facts" are unreliable and mean nothing to me unless I submit to your and their bias. This is why my "facts" mean nothing to you or any of these other Naturalists and Evolutionists.

[@RickWolfff]

And that produced the Tweet of the Year (to me): Q: "What would change your mind?" Hamm: "Nothing." Nye: "Evidence."

[@dyannaflynn7399]

It's a good sound byte. I backed off from discussions about that debate--I disagree with the conflation of the scientific method (a process) and atheism (which I see as an individual matter) being a necessary thing. (It goes like this: if, as I believe, God created everything, that includes things some other Christian brethren don't like, including the fossils, and logic, and the observed process of natural selection.) I won't call Hamm a poor choice of opponent, only because he embodies the notion that literal Biblical interpretation must suppress the teaching of science as we have observed science to work. I'd have had more respect for him if his answer had been "God" and not "Nothing" 8)

[@longhornnation]

Oops meant to post in reply... Beginning and end of argument: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-lead_dating

[@OG213LA]

So in other words, Ken Ham said nothing will change his mind even if evidence was presented to him. What a great logic!

[@graceburns1447]

because he knows liberals and atheists are lying people. Biden said "I have a plan for Covid" He did not. "I will not ban fracking" He did

[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

@@graceburns1447 “Liberals and atheists are liars”. They aren’t, a political ideology isn’t supposed to change your understanding of science.

[@Rando240]

@@graceburns1447 that’s not what it is at all. You can’t make claims and just base them in faith rather than provable evidence, that’s burden of proof. Idk why Christians expect non believers to come up with evidence that god doesn’t exist when it should be the other way around.

[@deanmoncaster]

You need no logic to be religious. In fact logic can only hurt your belief

[@Rando240]

@@deanmoncaster then you cant have any say in science lmao

[@RockinAtheist]

You can't argue rationally with godists. You may as well teach algebra to your German Shepherd. In fact the dog is the more intelligent of the two, So give up.

[@marrowkey9380]

godist, I'll remember that one ;) simple and straightforward

[@stopit5014]

You can't call evolution science when you weren't there to see it.

[@marrowkey9380]

+stopit! you can't actually think anything is anything without some belief

[@RockinAtheist]

Marrow Key Who told you that? You really need to question things. That's my belief.

[@marrowkey9380]

+Rockin Atheist you think you will be alive tomorrow? you think about many things. what knowledge of yours is absolute? not much. same for us all. so everyone believes things

[@podgy713]

"Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the DENIAL of observation so that belief can be preserved."-Tim Minchin

[@thelord3561]

1 Corinthians Chapter 15 Is The Ressurrection Creed That Paul Had Received Only 3-5 Years After Jesus Crucifiction And Had It Written 20 Years Later In A.D 54-55 And Jesus Went On The Cross At A.D 30 Also The Tel Dan Inscription States The House Of David On It And The Moabite Stone Records Mesha Just Like The Bible Worshipping Yahweh The Pool Of Siloam When Jesus Heals The Guy Is Also A Real Place And The Book Of Acts Gets The Environment Of The First Century Correct Which Myths Do Not Do It States Drusilla And Felix Got Married While Josephus The Jewish Historian Records The Same Thing And Believing In The Jesus Of The Bible And Christianity We Are Saved By Grace Not Of Ourselves It Is The Free Gift Of God By Repenting And Putting On The Lord Jesus Christ While Jehovah Witness And Mormonism Do Not Think They Are Saved And Are Earning Salvation To Get It However The Biblical Jesus Is The Only Way And Its Not About Achieving It Rather It Is More Like Receiving Christ To Be Saved In Him And Your Works Are The Fruit Of Your Salvation Amen And 2 Timothy 4:11 States Bring The Cloak I Left At Carpus Indicating It Was Authentic And Jesus Is More Worth It For Everlasting Life And Gary Habermas Has The Greatest Case For The Ressurection And Dr. James Tour On KZbin Also Shows The Reasons It Wasnt An Accident God Bless Jesus Is Lord Five Scientific Reasons To Believe In God kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqW2iayoet-LqZY James Tour Video Showing It Wasn't Evolution kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGXWgWR7Zq-Xlbs Jesus And His Ressurection Video kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2HMdYGCrdKKjK8 Gary Habermas On Jesus kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6rCdZVqh9yNla8 The Reliability Of The New Testamentt inspiringphilosophy.org/defending-christianity/ Jesus Is The Lord

[@thelord3561]

#JESUS FIRSTt For By Jesus All Things Are Created I'm Here For The News Of The Kingdom Of God And While Religion Has You Doing Good Deeds To Earn Salvation The Biblical Jesus Died And Rose Again For The Forgiveness Of Sin And By Grace You Are Saved So You Walk In Him For He Loved Us So We Love The Lord

[@thelord3561]

#JESUS FIRSTt These Resources Are To Viewed Through A Gentle Context Amen Jesus Is Love And The Only Way To Be Saved Is Through The Jesus Of The Bible The Creator And Its The Free Gift Of God But May We Honor The Lord Jesus And No Longer Live For Ourselves But To The Lord

[@thelord3561]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKbXhHeBaN-kj6M

[@Ramune-ky8td]

@@thelord3561 Are you a bot?

[@Bionixx016]

This really shows the difference between Christians and Atheists.

[@bakuya99]

+DaneTheGamer Yeah there is a big difference there is you have to have faith there is a cake and hey look there is a cake. Faith vs Evidence.

[@Bionixx016]

Thank you

[@arielvinda6624]

+DaneTheGamer Infact, there is only 1 difference (apply this to every religion, not only christianity). Ones believe, the others don't... everything else is the product of the first condition.

[@arielvinda6624]

+DaneTheGamer Oh, I forgot to mention "fake atheists", that are the ones who say "I'm an atheist" but believe in ghosts or chakras or something like that (anything meta-scientific).

[@bakuya99]

+Ariel Vinda Not really there are atheists who believe in dumb shit like that.

[@robertacheson5976]

I love how Bill Nye just stares at Ham while Ham is talking. He's being respectful but he looks so concerned like he's questioning Ham's mental health...which is a valid concern.

[@inaugurated]

It's crazy that in the 3rd millenium this debate still exists

[@joelcarter2535]

Well Christ did say that heaven and earth would pass away before a stroke of his word would be lost.

[@tetsubo57]

These two men were arguing completely different world views. There is no 'comparison' between them. It wasn't apples-to-apples, it wasn't apples-to-oranges, it was apples-to-bicycles. I think it was a waste of time that just lent credence to the Creationist's position. They can walk away and say, "Look, our guy is the same as a well respected scientist!" I think Bill Nye did a disservice to science and Ham is an insult to Christians.

[@mistert800]

Well, there are in fact certain claims made by Ham's world view which fall under the purview of science. But I agree to an extent, I don't think Ham was really worth debating.

[@unkledave52]

Well yes and no.You are absolutely correct on the "debate" itself,and your analogy of "apples to bicycles" is perfect. I can see your point on lending credence to the Fairy Tale Folks,but what if just 1 or 3 or 6 young people who have been indoctrinated with the fairy tale,watch this and start questioning their beliefs? This may be their first exposure to actual science.Just that slim possibility seems worth it to me.

[@TotaIlylndifferent]

I don't believe it was a waste of time, if you notice bill nye used most of his time speaking to the viewers instead of fighting ken ham. He would always use facts to show people and from all the people watching he hoping to change some people not all but with changing one person ideas, he had done his goal I think he set.

[@gero1369]

Pat Doyle This is exactly why we need debates like this. People deeply entrenched in either camp may think that the creationists auto-win by giving their view some exposure, but in reality, a large swath of the American public believes that the world is 10,000 years old or less (I don't remember the numbers from the latest poll, but iirc, it's around 40-50%!!). The more people that we can get to see the stark views together, the better. Science will always win. It has better, more fulfilling explanations. For every person that may be drawn to the creationist side, science will draw throngs more to it's side. It's good for people to question and wonder. It's in all of us. We just need to be exposed to the questions in order for us to begin to ponder them.

[@Xenophene01]

I can't see this as a total waste of time. Yes I agree that putting these two together is insulting towards Science. But this was important since there are schools in the US that have creationist books in the Science class. Both men up there are trying to convince what they say is true. Bill is trying to reverse the damage that is being created by Mr. Ham. Some Christians will be swayed. As for people who enjoy science will not be swayed by Mr. Ham

[@jimalbi]

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” ― George Carlin

[@jessieluna7783]

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - Mark Twain The quote most assuredly stems from Proverbs 26:4 "When arguing with fools, don't answer their foolish arguments, or you will become as foolish as they are." -Proverbs 26:4 Not religious, but this is a good one.

[@tuseroni]

Ze Buttonmasha well proverbs is basically what the name implies: a book of things people say. it's the original farmer's almanac.

[@xxnotmuchxx]

I think debates are good.

[@ChoppedBananas]

Transhumanism [h+] Debates are good when there are actually two sides to an issue. When an evolution vs creationism debate is framed as if there are two sides, it is intellectually dishonest. Evolution=tons of evidence to support it. Creationism= no evidence except for the bible. There is no two sides.

[@leemisaac]

that should have been the title of the debate

[@MisterCynic18]

It's surreal seeing someone who utterly refutes evidence based logic and realizing this seems like an entirely valid way of perceiving reality to them. It seems almost psychotic, but millions of people think like this. It's kinda frightening. How does society even function?

[@lanite85]

'' What will it take to change your beliefs '' Ham............. Nothing Nye.............. Evidence The science vs religion debate summed up in a few short words.

[@SaadMohammedGhori]

I'm curious to know what evidence would cause athiests to become thiests

[@joepoechild3056]

One thing I ask is where did all this come from. There has to be something that created the stars. Every day I wonder why I'm a Christian. The big bang theory could be a part of God's plan. Not to mention, if I left a chair or any object and leave it for a million years of more, will it be alive? If I have you rocks and told you to make wood out of it, would it happen?

[@wenyuanwu3096]

Joepoe _ Why aren’t you Muslim then? Or believe in Zeus, Thor, Unicorns.

[@PeerlessLight]

Ham - Talks about Gay marriage and Abortion Nye - Talks about the importance of young kids pursing a bright future

[@kevinmcdonald2336]

So what's more important? How can kids purse a bright future if abortion kills them before they even get a chance to take their first breath in this evil world. And with the promotion of gay marriages how can you even begin to make a child to abort it? Ken Ham's morals are right on.

[@PeerlessLight]

Kev Mac Gay marriage Couples Adopt.. Do you even know how many kids DON'T have parents, they're Given up by the parents because they either died or they never wanted them. Also idk if you have ever noticed but there are 2+ Billion People in the world yet not enough opportunities to have a great life, i'm more concerned about that than the "issue" of letting people choose whether to keep a bundle of cells and let it form into a child or abort it before it does I'm Pro-Choice Because it should not be MY Decision and im not one of those "I Know What is best for you" people

[@kevinmcdonald2336]

HeliosZx Should it's your choice but you do have to answer for in the end. Jesus said "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." I will leave it at that.

[@PeerlessLight]

Kev Mac That doesn't matter to those who are not Christian. I don't take the bible seriously, i do see it as a good story to always be good to your fellow man. So Just because it goes against your beliefs/morals doesn't give you the right to force them upon others, so in the end Gay marriage and Abortion being "Controversial issues" is just plain stupid. A Man can Love another Man and in 40 years people will look back and see that we were stupid. Abortion is an issue that is on the individual not the government, this is the United States of America where there is Religious Freedom not Religious Enforcement You want religion in politics then move to Iran

[@kevinmcdonald2336]

HeliosZx We don't have 40 years to look back in this present world, I guarentee that, because the Bible tells me so. Abortion is a blood sacrifice to Satan, trust me, I used to live in and love your present world and actually bowed down to Satan by killing to of my unborn children, while living in sin. Now I am a born again Christian, a child of God, and married with a child less than 2 years old. I have looked at my little child many times, that still doesn't have a voice to speak for himself, and think about what I did to 2 of these precious liitle ones, and my heart breaks and mourns for them, and what an evil act I did. Sure it was our choice but what a heartless, selfish choice it was, that evil spirits can make you do. Never again will Satan have power over me to do that again. I will now do the opposite like God has done, and that is, "I will die" for my children now, instead of them dying. Thank you God for rescuing me from this evil world. Isaiah 5:20-23 Woe to those who call EVIL GOOD, and GOOD EVIL; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are WISE IN THEIR OWN EYES And clever in their own sight! Woe to those who are heroes in drinking wine And valiant men in mixing strong drink, Who justify the wicked for a bribe, And TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS OF THE ONES WHO ARE IN THE RIGHT! Yes it is religious freedom but not for long, if you knew anything about prophecies and followed them, you would clearly see this present fallen world is coming to the end very shortly. You will be forced, as it is already happening dramatically, to worship the beast, if you don't open your eyes ASAP. I really don't think Iran would be a good choice for a Christian like me to go to, there are many many in prison and killed just for being a Christian. Or maybe that is what you would like; do you see how you are being programmed to hate Christians and feed us to the lions again? That is what happen in the Roman era and that is exactly what is going to happen again soon, but you wouldn't know anything about that because you do not follow Jesus, you follow this world. Your country's constitution was born on Christianity, but is completely falling apart now becasue it has been hijacked by a bunch of Godless rulers, which have been programming a bunch of people to become Godless. God bless America!! In Canada we are still blessed by God because we are strongly behind Israel, thanks to our born again Christain Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Amen. Genesis 12:2-3 And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so [a]you shall be a blessing; And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.” May God bless you and you become one of His children again.

[@Fa1c0]

I see the debate between atheists and reliolots as analogous to a poker game. the Atheist's hand may not be perfect but it's a good hand, maybe a pair, or three of a kind, or even a full house. The religiolot swears that he has a royal flush, and he gives all kinds of reasons that you should believe he has a royal flush. He tells you that you will lose all your money if you don't accept that he has a royal flush. And he shifts the burden to you to prove that he doesn't have a royal flush. The religiolot tells you that you can change your hand to a royal flush simply by wishing for it, but you have to give him10% of your winnings. The Atheist doesn't say, "you don't have a royal flush". All he wants is to see is evidence of a royal flush. Now the Atheist shows his hand and, indeed, it turns out to be a pretty good hand. The religiolot shows his cards and all of his cards are blank. He then tells you that the reason you can't see the royal flush is because you don't have faith, the almighty dealer has chosen not to reveal the royal flush, you are simply ignoring the fact that the religiolot has a royal flush. You win the game, gather up your chips, and cash them in, while the religiolot walks away thinking he has won, and still thinking that you are going home with empty pockets. I know, I kept shifting between second and third person.Sorry about that.

[@Shawsh2143]

That was a very good analogy. Applause.

[@subbasslines]

pretty good it would make good short story cartoon or sketch. little bit of fine tuning anyway your point was very nice.

[@Fa1c0]

Oops, I spelled religiolot wrong.

[@TheComputec]

I love this comment so much I shared it on facebook (with full credit) Sums the whole thing up for me

[@Fa1c0]

Thanks.

[@helpfulhazz5588]

Bill Nye is a better person than I am. I would not have been able to keep my cool, amicable tone (not that I had one to begin with) throughout the whole thing. That debate was infuriating. During that last segment they showed, a question was directed at one of them, they has a few minutes to answer, and then the other person had the same amount of time to give their own answer. Nye, being scientifically minded, honest, and, you know, possessing some shred of integrity, answered honestly, even when the answer was "we don't know, we don't have the answers." Twice, TWICE, after hearing that, Ken Ham turned to him, and in his smuggest tone, said (read in an Australian accent), "Actually, Bill, I don't know if you know this, but we do have a book with the answers, it's called the Bible." And there was laughter from the audience. That was probably the worst part.

[@MisterCynic18]

his expression is so dark and serious while watching Ken Ham I suspect Bill was struggling to contain himself the entire time

[@darrellholtz9107]

Silly scientists with their college degrees and facts... come on, it's obvious that the origin of the universe is a magical man in the sky, Bill. Duh!

[@bigbadbraxien6081]

Darrell Holtz I hope this is sarcasm

[@jimtulip5635]

+BigBad Braxien Of course it is sarcasm, he couldn't have made it more obvious

[@bigbadbraxien6081]

jim tulip I know it was just idk

[@boblemester2174]

I know bill is so silly, apparently you have to have something called ‘evidence’ to back a claim.

[@thetrueherald9623]

Large Taint Yeah, I watched a few videos of Ken Ham and he isn't really knowledgeable. He uses a bit more biblical references to an atheist that, to an atheist, would be gibberish when they believe the scriptures aren't right. I like Bill Bye and Ken Ham, but I think Ken Ham is kind of playing in the wrong field.

[@JosephAshbridge]

I watched the entire debate. It was held in the Creationist Museum in Kentucky. This was Ken Ham's museum. It is deep in the bible belt. He had many more followers or fans there. Many were not open to new thoughts. You can see by the reaction of some in the crowd. One girl rolls her eyes when Bill Nye speaks. In all Bill Nye debated with facts and Ken Ham with emotion. Facts win to an open mind.

[@keeks2030]

The thing that always gets me is the belief that the earth was created 6000 years ago. How can you possibly believe this when there is endless factual evidence that this is false.

[@johnny43125]

"why should i die to go to heaven the earth is already in space"-gza , but rae is my favorite mc, peace to the gods wutang forever

[@tylernicolas]

If religious people could reason then we wouldn't have religious people.

[@joshuaprouty8139]

Tyler Nicolas if religious people could reason then we wouldn't have wars.

[@the_really_tired_one]

Caleb Crowley You said ‘for an extremely long period of time’

[@LauraTrujilloT]

Well, communism is an atheist based regime or ideology, you called it, and still millions of people died because of that and wars take part. Maybe, besides religious people, if people could reason then this will be an utopia or something.

[@trinityknot8781]

Caleb Crowley evidence based facts are garbage? Are you trying to put science on the same level as creationism they’re not even close in comparison and yes intelligent beings follow the evidence it’s very one sided but that’s how facts are they’re not the same as opinions

[@GlowingMpd]

Laura Trujillo T “...an utopia ...”?

[@nexioseptimus5099]

Host: "What, if anything, would ever change your mind?" Ken Ham: "Well, the answer to that question is: I'm a Christian." I watched the entire debate; that pretty much sums it up.

[@TheSportyGamer97]

why dont religious people stop spreading their belief to their children and let them find out for themselves whether they want to believe in it and what seems more logical and backed up with evidence, lets see the out come then, let them research for themselves or just have no opinion and have that as their choice as they might not care

[@kevinr.pierce4751]

because we are responsible for our children, that is why; you sportygamer.

[@kevinr.pierce4751]

Shane Holly shane that is if you look at things from the point of view that the state (owns) our children. what i mean more is that it is the states responsibility to rear our children. of course we do not want to force feed our children some religion, hopefully by watching our lives and knowing our concern for them; they will want to follow in our footsteps. :0

[@kevinr.pierce4751]

Shane Holly because they are my children and it is not pointless to me but only to you.

[@ForrestHurrelbrink]

TheSportyGamer97 Because if our grandparents did that with our parents, religion wouldn't be a thing today.

[@nickokona6849]

The same reason McDonalds markets to children. If you addict them young, you can addict them for life.

[@SomeLittleShoe]

Remember when Bill Nye was funny?

[@neo_______]

God doesn’t force you to worship him, he loves you no matter what and will bless you and protect you if you believe! These five words are the most powerful words ever to be said it’s “Jesus loves you your amazing” ❤️

[@barkYdarkATFB]

*you’re

[@felixstuber8046]

Yeah, he does not force you to, but if you don't, you will burn in hell. A bit like a robber: He does not force you to hand over your money, but if you don't do it, he will kill you.

[@kevinhubbard4582]

We are FORTUNATE to have people like Bill Nye among us......

[@leepee8369]

un-

[@DNAsGhostzHouze]

Using the bible to validate the bible is like pointing to a rainbow and claiming that it validates leprechauns because there must be a pot of gold at the end of it...

[@dangerouslytalented]

Ken Ham was trying to obfuscate the issues, muddy science and discredit everything. I was particularly exasparated by Ken Ham's use of the terms "historical science" and "observational science"... as if they were different things...Bill Nye vs Ken Ham Observational science vs Historical science

[@221cherry]

He tried to hard to sell faith as facts..

[@dangerouslytalented]

... tried and failed. The only ones convinced were those who were already convinced.

[@221cherry]

dangerouslytalented That's called having blind faith.

[@maxcoseti]

Dude! I watched the whole debate and I swear if I'd heard "observational science" once more I would've kicked myself in the balls

[@dangerouslytalented]

Bill Nye vs Ken Ham Observational science vs Historical science

[@aangpearce2700]

Could the big bang have been created by a creator?

[@nh-a6713]

Sure but then who created the creator... this explanation raises more questions than it answers

[@aangpearce2700]

I hear ya. But so does the other debate.. What was before the bang? And what was before that?

[@sam01maestri]

+Aang Pearce It may have just come frome nothing, it's quite amazing when you think about it...all the energy in the universe compressed in one cell causing it to explode and realese that energy onto the universe transforming it into galaxies and planets, maybe we came from nothing and will go back to nothing (Big crunch)

[@aangpearce2700]

Noah haoN Oh yeah, personally I've just come to the conclusion that there was no beginning per se. Eternity is a concept we will never be able to fully comprehend, so I just accept that whatever the answer is, it's to do with something beyond our knowledge.

[@aangpearce2700]

Sam Maestri Shucks, what if this is all just a cycle? What if space expands only to reverse back to its center again causing the big crunch like you say... Then creates a big bang again?

[@melaniealmeyda9409]

Praying for your eyes to be opened to the truth before it's too late! The Word of God is true!

[@ThyBountyHunter]

If the truth is hidden then our free will is being screwed with.

[@jmt8029]

@@ThyBountyHunter the truth isn’t hidden. It’s very freely available but most refuse to accept it

[@ThyBountyHunter]

@@jmt8029 " the truth isn’t hidden. It’s very freely available but most refuse to accept it" Here is the thing, as atheists we are searching for the truth, so if something is 100% the truth we will accept it. Now the fact that we refuse to bow down to believe what you may doesn't mean we refuse to accept it, it just means it is not the truth. Just like if I said God created evil/calamity/disasters/bad times, do you know how many believers have come at me in anger because they refuse to see God having created it....but the Bible says he did. That is refusing to accept the truth. So when we don't accept what you say...it is because it is not the truth...just your truth.

[@tomwellingishott]

This is a bit out of context...the bill nye section on the big bang was actually said before what ken ham said about it. Also while ken ham did mention politics quite a bit he was also providing what he believed to be scientific fact. This video seems just a little biased... (btw I am on bill nye's side but I just think that this video doesn't accurately represent what happened at all)

[@kevinr.pierce4751]

it sure is! main stream media is all anti-christ. did you see the gleam in that mans eyes when he poked fun at mr ham? people that are not saved are all influenced by the evil one whether they know it or not.

[@tomwellingishott]

Kevin R. Pierce I'm an atheist and I just defended ken ham, and you agreed with me. I think if you're going to agree and speak on how something is biased you need to remain unbiased as well. I think it will do you well to not come from a place of ignorance and judgement in the future.

[@kevinr.pierce4751]

Em Johnson i am unbiased. i just have my eyes open. if you don't think there is evil afloat your eyes are closed.

[@kevinr.pierce4751]

Tim H get real, pal.

[@richarddavis1163]

Kevin R. Pierce That's right Mister! If you have your eyes open, bias is thus impossible! Are you a genius?

[@tangerinefarmer]

Desperate people will believe anything, that is the secret of being a conman.

[@GnosticAtheist]

Indeed. Morons are there for some people to feed upon.

[@GnosticAtheist]

***** That's your job. You have to debate with people face to face. These debates are not viewed by the religious.

[@tangerinefarmer]

Solid Structure Hitchens would never even accept the debate.

[@alertArchitect]

A Bill Nye debate is the only reason I would go to the Creation Museum.

[@thealmightyjesus7018]

1 Corinthians Chapter 15 Is The Ressurrection Creed That Paul Had Received Only 3-5 Years After Jesus Crucifiction And Had It Written 20 Years Later In A.D 54-55 And Jesus Went On The Cross At A.D 30 Also The Tel Dan Inscription States The House Of David On It And The Moabite Stone Records Mesha Just Like The Bible Worshipping Yahweh The Pool Of Siloam When Jesus Heals The Guy Is Also A Real Place And The Book Of Acts Gets The Environment Of The First Century Correct Which Myths Do Not Do It States Drusilla And Felix Got Married While Josephus The Jewish Historian Records The Same Thing And Believing In The Jesus Of The Bible And Christianity We Are Saved By Grace Not Of Ourselves It Is The Free Gift Of God By Repenting And Putting On The Lord Jesus Christ While Jehovah Witness And Mormonism Do Not Think They Are Saved And Are Earning Salvation To Get It However The Biblical Jesus Is The Only Way And Its Not About Achieving It Rather It Is More Like Receiving Christ To Be Saved In Him And Your Works Are The Fruit Of Your Salvation Amen And 2 Timothy 4:11 States Bring The Cloak I Left At Carpus Indicating It Was Authentic And Jesus Is More Worth It For Everlasting Life And Gary Habermas Has The Greatest Case For The Ressurection And Dr. James Tour On KZbin Also Shows The Reasons It Wasnt An Accident God Bless Jesus Is Lord Five Scientific Reasons To Believe In God kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqW2iayoet-LqZY James Tour Video Showing It Wasn't Evolution kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGXWgWR7Zq-Xlbs Jesus And His Ressurection Video kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2HMdYGCrdKKjK8 Gary Habermas On Jesus kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6rCdZVqh9yNla8 The Reliability Of The New Testament inspiringphilosophy.org/defending-christianity/ Jesus Is The Lord

[@thealmightyjesus7018]

#JESUS FIRST For By Jesus All Things Are Created I'm Here For The News Of The Kingdom Of God And While Religion Has You Doing Good Deeds To Earn Salvation The Biblical Jesus Died And Rose Again For The Forgiveness Of Sin And By Grace You Are Saved So You Walk In Him For He Loved Us So We Love The Lord

[@thealmightyjesus7018]

#JESUS FIRST These Resources Are To Be Viewed Through A Gentle Context Amen Jesus Is Love And The Only Way To Be Saved Is Through The Jesus Of The Bible The Creator And Its The Free Gift Of God But May We Honor The Lord Jesus And No Longer Live For Ourselves But To The Lord

[@doorag8330]

One of the most interesting things about Ken Hamm is that he routinely travels the lecture circuit, making lots of money, speaking about his Biblical world view of a 6000 year old Earth completely oblivious to the fossil fuel modes of transportation he depends on to get from place to place and profess a 6000 year old Earth.

[@rubyhoney6177]

“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.” ― Napoleon

[@dubldeka]

Impressed with Anna's Analysis. I watched the debate but didn't pick out the political angle. but you are right, Ham was mostly off topic.

[@Originalmagzi]

He deflected so much, his opening speech was one huge straw-man argument after another.

[@TURTLEMMC23]

I watched this live it was so good Ham's answer to every thing is "because BIBLE" and Bill's answer was always "because FACT" HAM (0) BILL(90000)

[@Originalmagzi]

TURTLEMMC23 I watched it about an hour later I think, makes me sad to be an Australian.

[@dubldeka]

Original Mag_Zi Hams body language is identical to Abbots who is also a creationist. Swap the heads and their body's play the same tune.

[@Originalmagzi]

***** I agree with that totally.

[@geezzerboy]

Ham, and Trump, speak for people who want reality to be really, really simple. I have been told, by those people, " truth is supposed to be simple, therefore anything complicated can't be true." The current US President believes that.

[@joemama5723]

Bill should be Americas president

[@timwelch3297]

+Joe Mama rofl you are joking right??

[@joemama5723]

Why not...like Donald Trump is going to save America, how talking shit to another world power? Starting WW3 haven all our young American youth die for his pride, or some power hungry woman who is fake and loony as most women are??? It's sad that I still love my country till the end...USA USA USA...

[@6pades]

YESS

[@pbmdh]

+Joe Mama A. I doubt he would want the job B. The president doesn't really have as much power as people think. There are three branches of government for a reason.

[@zombies8mygf615]

+pbmdh And those sectors of government inform millionaire businessmen that we call Presidents. When you actually put an intelligent person in power THEY will instruct the other sectors in what to search for. This country is clearly a corporation. I hear these types of comments all the time. And it's because virtually every president has personal agendas, very different from your wants or needs. A democracy is when each and every vote counts. This is called popular vote. Yet, Bush, Obama and many others lost the majority popular vote. Think about that for a moment. The electoral college makes it to where only a handful of state's votes actually count towards the Presidential election process. This is not a Democracy. This is why I don't vote or care whether my neighbor lives or dies.

[@sethalos]

I watched that whole debate, and I was just baffled at how Mr. Ham wouldn't answer any question with any type of fact or process. His answers were, it's detailed in the Book of Genesis. lol. I was literally yelling at my screen, "Answer the Damn Question"

[@69eddieD]

I don't know how Nye could remain so patient with this lying buffoon. I would have kicked him square in the balls. For a creationist to give a straight answer to a question is to admit that they're wrong. Creationists ask questions; they do not answer them. Then they never, ever acknowledge the answers given to them.

[@halbarbour7805]

Ken Ham hasn't looked at his balls in years, that's the icky sinful place you shouldn't look at. Besides evolution has probably made his schrivel up and falloff, like the eyes of those cave living minnows, they weren't needed.

[@Gooshnads]

It was a complete massacre

[@HPA97]

Eddie X Heheh, well Ham deserved it but it would just made the religious dudes hate atheist's alot more than they already do, soooo i don't think it would be a good idea of him doing it XD

[@juanmorell4884]

What's with all of this Ana hating in the comments? Ana is a smart, educated woman, aside from being very attractive.

[@RichardStrong86]

They're attacking her because she is going against their belief system, which itself is an extension of their ego.

[@123abcbruce]

***** No, you're right. It was short and insiteful. Not like the ramblings I've been doing here!

[@fredfunn5413]

Nye: Here are the facts. Ham: There is this book.

[@michaelb4393]

Which book? There is multiple books, they can't all be right.... that right there is the reason the book is man-made fairytales.

[@paulfowler981]

@@michaelb4393 Bible does say the atheist is a fool

[@anantguru8244]

"There is this book" is the response to Bill's answer "Nobody knows".

[@Rando240]

@@paulfowler981 if I say unicorns are real (even if there’s no evidence just legends from long ago) and expect other ppl to disprove my claim, I’m using a logical fallacy.

[@joelcarter2535]

A book that tells the truth about everything

[@DillonisEpic]

one of my favorite quote, from rickey gervais: if all science books, and all religious books dissapeared, which would reappear over the next thousand years ?

[@graceburns1447]

The Bible. It will never disappear. In Matthew 24:35 Jesus says, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

[@_petre]

@@graceburns1447 you can't solve a hypothesis by rejecting the hypothesis itself.

[@graceburns1447]

@@_petre and what is the hypothesis in this situation?

[@_petre]

@@graceburns1447 "if [...] all religious books disappeared" is the hypothesis. You tried to prove your point by saying "The Bible. It will never disappear". Since the bible is a religious book, the hypothesis here includes the disappearance of the bible.

[@graceburns1447]

@@_petre Jesus said Heaven and Earth Will Pass Away, but My Words Will Never Pass Away (Matthew 24:35)

[@Kangenshi]

I find it hard to believe that it's 2014 and we're still having debates like this.

[@azqg]

my friend i said the exact same thing over a decade ago

[@bob8619]

Why?

[@bob8619]

Oh yeah because big bang led to you and me right. Man how silly of someone to not believe in that theory.

[@bob8619]

Scientific theories about how the universe came to be is not really considered evidence. Its just a guess. Its very hard to believe that all this is here by some random explosion billions of years ago.

[@bob8619]

Zero proof actually. All ideas and theories in attempt to explain how we got here. Enjoy your sleep

[@nznegativeions]

I am scared to think what I would do if I ever met Ken Ham. I suspect it would result in a jail term.

[@nznegativeions]

***** wow, hypocrite much?

[@jimmyschot]

***** So hell's a myth, heaven is fact, while both share the same source of creation. Cherry picking much?

[@umanuu]

jimmy schot I hate it when people say to me that I'm going to hell for being atheist, that doesn't make sense. I thought your "god" is generous enough to let in the kind-hearted souls into his..."kingdom," not people who just don't believe. It seems stupid that he creates people that believe and don't believe just so he can put some people into hell. That is some evidence.

[@awsomesauce03]

HA bullshit only those and gays,woman who talk and of any other religion thats just to name a few your opinion and butchery of the shit bible is horrible and a disgrace to your beleifes you will burn in hell for lies but dont forget to smash a few babies of rocks sells slaves and rape woman first, you know to keep the good christian spirit you fucking basket case

[@nznegativeions]

Walter Mendoza Christianity is so pathetic. If god is all powerful, and he created humans, then he is completely responsible for the outcome, yet christians seem to think its the creations fault and not the creator. Thats just insanity defined.

[@thehotyounggrandpas8207]

Watched the whole thing. Cringeworthy. Ken Hams approach is as if he were playing rock-paper-scissors but with a new element, say, nuke bomb. Nuke bomb always wins and only he can use it. Childish like hell.

[@johnmsgnotta6826]

I first began to doubt my religion early on... One single question was enough. I learned that Roman Catholicism wasnt the ONLY religion. How could that be? Other people had a faith that was different from mine? And most assuredly they believed in their faith as did I mine. Right there, that was enough... both situations couldn't be simultaneously true, hence neither was true!

[@jamesrightmire4262]

As a fellow atheist that had this very same realization at an early age, I'm surprised that this isn't a common talking point.

[@9Calavera6]

> still discussing religion > 2014

[@darkness4life1]

>This isn't fucking 4chan

[@9Calavera6]

>implying i give a fuck

[@nirvanafan91ify]

As an Australian I would like to apologise for sending Ken Ham to your country. We understand that you have enough religious nut jobs with having to deal with Ham. On behalf of Australian atheist, sorry.

[@MsAudiox]

Thank you we accept you apology and still hope to visit and survive in your beautiful country.

[@rajikakuruwita2462]

MsAudiox Its not so beautiful any more. Our PM is a nut..

[@mineblade1000]

it pains me to see people like u still believing that everything came from absolutely nothing. The idea of a creator does not defy logic in fact it only strengthens logic. Darwin was a believer in a higher being whom stared evolution. Albert Einstein believed in some form of a creator. If you are saying believing in a creator takes an idiot than you might as well call both Darwin and Einstein idiots just because they believed in the invisible. You call them idiots because they believed this "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1.

[@Boxghost102]

Mineblade 1000 They weren't.

[@mineblade1000]

Boxghost102 um then look up on google did albert einstien believe in a god?

[@nithinsagaram6533]

This is the exact same way how my mom responds to me when I speak against the Bible myths

[@cranberrysprite3704]

Real mature of these reporters to dog ham the whole time. You learn something from anyone, remember that.

[@Rando240]

He wasted everyone’s time by just using faith as proof.

[@samshelton6893]

Bill Nye has an amazingly high level of patience. I have nothing but respect for him, he's a million times classier and smarter than Ken Ham will ever be.

[@kokorosenshi]

I hope this debate can finally end creationism.

[@usul573]

Couldn't possibly be that lucky....

[@josuebahena-estrada9042]

This is exactly what is expected to occur more and more every yr until it is too late. Whats worse is that plenty of ppl will always hear it but only a few would have listened.

[@JCW7100]

All you need to know to determine who is really interested in truth: Answers in Genesis: Comments are turned off.

[@ChrisKunzler]

Who is Ken Ham anyway?

[@ethanramsey6964]

ken ham is the founder of the creation musem

[@killerbee2562]

Ethan Ramsey "Museum" my arse.

[@WhenItsHalfPastFive]

You know I really have nothing against people who practice a certain religion. In times of desperation, maybe people do look towards a higher being for a glimmer of hope. But to everyone who does practice a religion, I urge you to question everything. You have to question everything in life. If you do not question things, and do not make judgements by evidence, and facts, we have mass manipulation through media and fake appeals to religion. Question everything.

[@Vycrance]

Couldn't have said it better.

[@sarahcarr7343]

If I’m created who am I to question the creator? When you know you know and there’s no turning back I’m proud to be a child of God. He is Awesome and all powerful!

[@christopherpasley5451]

Science isn't a belief. That's what Hamm and other creationist seem to not understand.

[@russeldioneo5187]

Brutal debate, bill just destroyed him i think ken just wasnt his match, Ken is just out of his league.

[@josephgagliardi2797]

Russel Young Bill is da man

[@downrangecash2418]

Ken just couldnt compete

[@Dizzinator2114]

What was amazing is Bill could have done better than he did. Like what if Bill at the time knew who the scientist Ken ham presented were and their works?

[@faithbishop7280]

At least everything Ken Ham said was true!

[@MikeNitro94]

Religion is the game of pretend ever! All those "scienists", who spent all those years in school, college, more school, at their jobs and in their free time, don't know what they are missing! Throw all those years and hours of your life actually studying things and just fucking pretend some dude did it. It's amazing! He does everything! Well, except for the stuff Satan does. Him? He's sort got the powers God has. Kinda. He got his powers from God. God won't stop him though. And this God, he REALLY loves you and looks out for you, except when he doesn't and he lets Satan do whatever the hell he wants. It's confusing but so much more fun than actually knowing why things are they way they are.

[@FarFromAvgJoe]

You sir are an artist. Well stated.

[@MikeNitro94]

Joe Huffman Why thank you sir!

[@msginca]

Bill Nye is an *Extremely Good Influence* on young minds, and indeed, anybody.

[@indianinja420]

Who else came here knowing that you could find the arguments since the comments were disabled on the original video

[@MrErgenta]

"I would of lost my credibility if I reacted the way I want to react." - Ana Kasparian Someone should make a compilation of Ana with this headline of her reacting in this description like she does in almost every video.

[@MrErgenta]

Perhaps Ana isn't the best option to represent a specific idea or ideology as she commonly reacts erratically when confronted with ideas she doesn't agree with.

[@MrHabs1993]

You can't have this debate because Religion isn't based on logic, it's based upon a belief and those are two entirely different animals. If you want to be a Christian that's fine but understand you can't logically reconcile your beliefs with science

[@cmfluteguy]

Religious people need to be publicly embarrassed because they value faith over reason and that renders their brains useless. That produces citizens and voters that degrade democracy because it must be based on what is reasonable. Furthermore, religious parents indoctrinate their hapless children with the lies of religion like my parents and church did.

[@TheFatbip]

cmfluteguy The annoying thing is that they brag about being irrational. They think they are better than other people because they "have faith". Why is believing something for no reason considered a good thing?

[@MrHenrythe8thiam]

Jimmy Greer I like being overly stupid with my arguments when they try to validate the bible with the bible :D "Twinkies are healthy for you... because the twinkie box says so." lol

[@tuseroni]

i used to be christian, it was debates like this and those with people i knew who were atheist, which ultimately pushed me to become an atheist. i believed because i had been brought up to believe, i believed in the existence of god the way i believed in the existence of my refrigerator, it was obvious and like anything which exists it must be provable, so i sought the evidence to prove to these people that god exists. i studied the bible and i didn't get very far past genesis before it became kinda clear this was wrong. the main difference i think between me and many who continue to accept religious doctrine is simply that i examined the evidence and i respected science and the scientific method.

[@sk8bow]

if we are people of science, shouldn't we be focusing on the psychology of belief? we should be learning how to replace belief in order for religious people to feel secure.

[@spacepirateivynova]

Starting with 'belief in logic': Belief is not a requirement for logic. The great thing about logic is that when done properly all the evidence it laid out before you. You KNOW logic. That aside, the literal interpretation of a book written by men trying to give answers to questions at the time that simply didn't have the evidence or methodology to gain them being interpreted the same way today is a very sad thing to see indeed. One can't gain knowledge through this interpretation, there's no evidence to back it up, and it is has proven to be a detriment to society at large time and time again throughout history to be congruent with this manner of thinking. People like Ken Ham simply proliferate the worst kind of ignorance, that which is purposefully ignorant of all that has been gained over the last several thousand years.

[@natejewell2346]

very well said

[@awakz100]

"People like Ken Ham simply proliferate the worst kind of ignorance, that which is purposefully ignorant of all that has been gained over the last several thousand years." this is very well written and stated, people like you give me faith in humanity, thank you ReddmanDGZ

[@spacepirateivynova]

The Hooded Strider I don't see how this idea of 'faith' in something that we can't have evidence for is at all a good thing. It seems like an excuse for proliferation of ideals that have no good reason to support them and imposing them upon others rather than logical reasoning to put forth social mores.

[@RubyGranger8]

What's the name of the reporter?

[@nickokona6849]

When asked what would change your mind? Nye said "evidence". Ham said "nothing". That is the bumper sticker for the entire event.} Ken Ham does not and likely never has cared about truth. This telling answer says everything.

[@nickokona6849]

@Pastor Craig And Anikin Skywalker said he doesn't like sand because it's rough and course and irritating and it gets everywhere.. So what?

[@nickokona6849]

@Pastor Craig Tell you what. Because I'm not interested in another recycled apologetic or more sleep inducing preaching, I want you to do this before responding. Ask the god you think is real what you should say to me specifically that would convince me you're not just a con artist or supremely mistaken. If god can tell you the thing I'm looking for, then I'll believe you. If not, you've got better odds convincing all Catholics to stop supporting their child rapist business.

[@craigward8886]

@@nickokona6849 a movie reference really? Are you 12. And you didn't even pick a good movie. That's the trouble trying to convince atheist adults of the truth. They have the mind of a child.

[@nickokona6849]

@@craigward8886 And that's a preemtive excuse to excuse your own failure to even try to convince me your childrens story is true. I chose that movie very specifically in fact. Go ask god what god knows WILL convince me that you're not just a con artist or supremely mistakened. That is the only condition for me to ever interact with you again. I got my doubts you will try though. Very christian of you to insult my intellect instead of demonstrating your children's story true though.. Very christian indeed.

[@craigward8886]

@@nickokona6849 well I'm trained in many things but child psychology isn't one of them so when I saw that you had that intellect I gave up right away. I function more on an adult level. You are like what many accused Ken Ham of. Nothing will change your mind so why bother and as for evidence there is plenty you just choose to ignore it. Christian like? We are taught to tell the truth and at times you have to get someone's attention. God will not be mocked and using a movie reference was the ultimate in mockery. Guess what though? He still loves you but He will not accept you if you don't accept Him. Good day sir and repent before its too late

[@IkeMFTurner]

Scientist vs bullshit artist, who'll win?

[@SyncsWorld]

***** why do you own a computer?

[@mrkabonster]

***** I see what you did there. mmfwcl

[@Ansonidak]

Bill kicked ass.

[@odytrice]

I'm glad that Bill Nye calmly and logically laid out the facts. I was initially on the fence based on my upbringing and what not but Bill's arguments completely changed my world view. He obviously didn't succeed in changing Ken's mind but I'm pretty sure he affected many more people like me.

[@sleepvark1]

Actually ham’s biggest fear is that the churches will loose money if no one is giving them money

[@quadecaX8]

Thank you for reporting on this story guys! I never knew this evidence about the big bang before.

[@RussyG32]

Education is a powerful thing my friend :)

[@hoopoverthehill]

I know how you feel. I was intrigued too.

[@biocapsule7311]

You can try episode 1x14 of the documentary series "The Universe"... it's a condense & simplify history of astrophysics & the stages of understanding up to the point of 2007 in about 1 & a half hours. The part of Hubble & the background radiation is near the middle section of it. Additionally what would become the Big Bang Theory is proposed by Georges Lemaître, who was both a physicist & a Catholic priest. It is however propose in his capacity as a physicist with the mathematical calculation required. The episode did a good job in showing how science is the cumulative knowledge of generations upon generations scientists presenting evidences.

[@graceburns1447]

There is no evidence dumba**

[@borgorh1800]

@@graceburns1447 dumbfuck boomer lmao

[@marco1173]

So, in essence, what would make you change your mind?: Ham: Nothing. Nye: Evidence. 'Nuff said.

[@OkayNiceOne]

She's talking about a person speaking about their political agenda.. Did she forget she was on "TheYoungTurks"?

[@globeklitepe8049]

There’s a reason that all of Ken Hams videos comments are turned off.

[@datherax]

Bill Nye the science guy! Grew up watching him in elementary school

[@AlmightyShippo]

Wow, you are so unique!

[@datherax]

I wonder which one of us received more love as a child?

[@Partyaap050]

***** I can answer that question for you: AlmightyShippo

[@banemen27]

2:19 Bil Nye is like "Bitch are you serious!?"

[@joelcarter2535]

Nice mouth 🥸

[@callumdoyle5475]

Religion were mistakes of the past that taught "most people" nowadays to question a "fact" written in some book ;)

[@callumdoyle5475]

nit saying religion sucks, as long as you not extremist and peacefull.

[@thelord3561]

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[@thelord3561]

#JESUS FIRSTt For By Jesus All Things Are Created I'm Here For The News Of The Kingdom Of God And While Religion Has You Doing Good Deeds To Earn Salvation The Biblical Jesus Died And Rose Again For The Forgiveness Of Sin And By Grace You Are Saved So You Walk In Him For He Loved Us So We Love The Lord

[@thelord3561]

#JESUS FIRST These Resources Are To Be Viewed Through A Gentle Context Amen Jesus Is Love And The Only Way To Be Saved Is Through The Jesus Of The Bible The Creator And Its The Free Gift Of God But May We Honor The Lord Jesus And No Longer Live For Ourselves But To The Lord

[@thelord3561]

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[@OFFICIAL_VIDEO_AWARDS]

Title should be "KZbin presenters talk back and fourth about the video you actually clicked and hoped to watch"

[@Baconthief1]

It's great to hold particular religious belief, I myself hold particular Christian philosophies and beliefs. But holy shit, accept the reality of the world first before establishing personal faith.

[@othertestchannelbeta]

Wise words. Setting aside the metaphysical, we do understand how the physical world works. Science is the best method of investigation for uncovering and understanding the mechanisms behind what we observe in nature.

[@MogofWar]

If the literal interpretation of the Bible was necessary for Christianity to exist, Christianity would have never came about to start with. Also bear in mind. Bill Nye has made it his career in talking to children about science. He was prepared for this.

[@MestizoFilipino]

i remember watching the debate and my friends making tweets agreeing with Ken Ham the whole time.. one of whom was a very intelligent person and immersed himself with reading and education. . but seeing him take those stakes made me realize that his biases could not be overcome by reason and he wasn't able to recognize the sheer lack of credibility that Ham dug himself into the whole debate. It made me want to try to be more aware of my own biases in hopes that I dont become blinded by a virtual truth because I had reservations somewhere else..

[@waltmagic]

+David James Michel "one of whom was a very intelligent person and immersed himself with reading and education" That dude read the wrong books and received the wrong education. I think you might just be too humble but...you are way more intelligent than that guy...trust me, you are the intelligent person in your group of friends.

[@Falcon4224]

+Walter M Not to bash on the OP, but respectfully we can't know if he is smarter than his friend. More adept at critical thinking, more open-minded, maybe I could buy that. But unless we know IQ scores or SAT scores, we can't know that he is more book smart. I'm sure the OP is a very smart person, and I'm not trying to bash his intelligence, I just wanted to set something straight.

[@waltmagic]

+Falcon4242 I was talking to a coworker about this very thing actually. We both knew some people we went to school and college with that were off the charts in certain things, usually math, but were border line socially inept and thought and said the dumbest shit. I think there is a huge difference between IQ and smart...btw I agree with you but since we are being clear...IQ and SAT scores have almost nothing to do with "book smarts" and actually the tests are designed specifically for this. To this day one of the smartest guys I ever knew can't keep or even get a job. The person with the highest SAT in my high school works at a super market I think. A high IQ doesn't mean a person will be wise or knowledgeable or even logical. Some have a high capacity for learning a completely waste it on the dumbest of shit like reading crack pot books on pseudoscience and conspiracies, which makes them even worse in my opinion because it shows a lack of humility to accept answers from people other than themselves...the mind is a terrible thing to waste

[@rudiekazu]

were in agreement on that.....for sure....smarts might be a negative at times....i think common sense is almost more important....imo....same thing....know guys at work that are very very intelligent....and at the same time dumb as a Box of Rocks ....at work we use the phrase.....Idiot Savant

[@samdnelson13]

What will change your mind? Ham: Nothing will change my mind. I am unreasonable. Nye: Evidence. That sums it up.

[@alexanderstephen1567]

Evidence? Every planet in our solar system except for Venus and Uranus rotates counter-clockwise. If there was a Big-Bang, all planets should have rotated in the same direction. Can someone explain this exception? That's why many people do not accept the Big-Bang theory, because there are many holes in this theory, and not only the rotation of the planets but the origin of matter and many other crucial elements for that to even happen, are missing, indicate that something is wrong with this theory.

[@drxwswonder6449]

Alexander Stephen look it up, also the Big Bang theory is a THEORY for a reason.

[@samdnelson13]

The solar system is a vortex. Look it up Alexander Stephen.