Bill Nye the Assertions Guy

[@jeffhein7275]

Bill Nye, I am an aerospace engineer who works for NASA (30+ years now!) and I am a young-earth creationist. I do know why you hate Christians, though: "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you." (John 15:18-19) Please know, however, that there is forgiveness for you in Christ Jesus. Jesus died for you on the cross, so that you may live again -- good news indeed! - Jeff the Lutheran Aerospace Engineer Guy

[@harrybeau1712]

so according to this bloke, it was monks who started science. He belongs back in that video above 'Lies You Learned in School' to utter such ignorance. Science predates Christian monks in Europe by many hundreds, if not a thousand years, thanks to Archimedes, just to name one scientist. Is he trying to infer that their God directed the discipline of science to these monks? Well, that's a shot very wide of the goal. If scientific enquiry is from divine intervention, I wonder which one of the Greek's pantheon was responsible?

[@jeffhein7275]

Harry Beau "so according to this bloke, it was monks who started science." Nope. I am refuting the assertion that "all" scientists are atheists. "Science predates Christian monks in Europe by many hundreds, if not a thousand years, thanks to Archimedes, just to name one scientist." True... In fact science is the study of God's creation, which dates back to the beginning of time (by definition). Scientists throughout history have been believers and non-believers. That was my point.

[@jeffhein7275]

Harry Beau Welcome back Harry!

[@harrybeau1712]

Thank you - Glad you cleared that up. I think you chose a bad witness there, in that case. I wouldn't want to debate the earth or the universe and its age or origin; it's just a 'stage' us humans are going through. What I find most interesting are ardent assertions that the Bible is true throughout.

[@jeffhein7275]

Harry Beau "Thank you" You're welcome. :) "What I find most interesting are ardent assertions that the Bible is true throughout." It is!

[@RevBelt]

In a logic class that I took last year our Professor said this that stuck with me: "In a perfect world, an evolutionist would be required to take a logic course."

[@christophercarlson8691]

If I could like this more than once I would.

[@dc6051]

Thanks for putting this out here Rev! What I find funny about his argument is that he doesn't just straight out say something. You could say he is "running around the bush." Keep on making your stand and fighting the good fight! I just love how he thinks we not believing in evaluation means that we are complete idiots that do not know how to think ourselves!

[@sam2026]

My dad is a Lutheran engineer

[@sarahclark5447]

I am not a Lutheran but the more I listen to this guy the more I could be one; I think they are like Catholics without the pope aren't they? My dad said they are probably about right, as Luther did not want to destroy the Catholic Church but correct some of the error that had crept in, anyway I think this man speaks a lot of sense, so thank you pastor sir...

[@charlesvonhabsburg3107]

I understand how you could think that, but Lutherans and Catholics have completely different views of Christ and salvation.

[@frogleg10]

J Winx what are you talking about?

[@zerubbablestranger6970]

Here’s why the Reformation really happened: infused righteousness verses imputed righteousness. The Romanist cult believes in infused righteousness which is about works, maintaining a state of grace through keeping the 7 sacraments less last rites, verses ALL that Jesus Christ did for those whose heart HE has changed. Through the requirements of the 7 sacraments the Romanist cult denies that Jesus Christ did it ALL and that He was lying when He said “it is finished”. Read the 95 Theses and you’ll get a better idea of why it should be called the Romanist cult.

[@btwn]

Excellent !

[@coltonbruza6957]

I love those faces you make when you're sarcastic

[@janky2532]

Pastor Fisk, one thing that you might find telling of why his argument is so illogical is because he really isn't a biologist, a chemist, an archaeologist, but rather a mechanical engineer, and has his doctorate of science degree from Williamette University.

[@hulkdad]

I really don't get the assertion that says, "Unless you believe in evolution, you can't be a scientist/engineer/etc."

[@soulman8403]

Pastor Fisk- Thanks for this video. As a student at the Ft. Wayne seminary, I can tell you that many students and staff there enjoy hearing your perspectives. I don't know if any discussion on either end of this will truly bring anyone to faith or draw anyone away from the church, but thank you for defending those of us whose feeling were hurt by Bill Nye more or less saying that we are holding back the country with our faith. Thanks again.

[@gomerzillmer]

At the very end of the video I realized what the Bill Nye clips reminded me of; Did anyone else watch Clint Eastwood's speech at the RNC? I mean, obviously Clint made a little bit more sense, but they both had very similar speech styles. Specifically, in their ability to make a viewer think, "What the heck is this guy rambling about, and where is he trying to go with it?"

[@pnshdccb]

Pastor Fisk, As a teacher in a Lutheran Day School, I am asked questions like this. I teach what the Bible says and try to answer any questions students have and help them know how to respond ... as Christians. I think sometime you come across like a "smart aleck". I don't think we want to teach our young people to respond this way. Opponents put us down, but that doesn't mean we should do the same. Remember you are teaching us how to respond as Christians as well. not just knowledge.

[@ryuhalto2]

Grace be with your my brother in Christ! Well said.

[@sam2026]

Do these types of vids more often.

[@sam2026]

Wow, this is so crazy I found my own comment. In the last few years I lost some of my faith and now have it back. Life is crazy.

[@awgamblin1987]

Rev. Fisk, I love your snarkiness. It may, or may not be, a reason for me moving from a baptist worldview to a confessional Lutheran one. Sadly, there are no confessional Lutheran churches in the city where I live. We don't even have an ELCA church here. I am praying the Lord would see fit to send some LCMS, or maybe WELS, church planter to Stigler,OK.

[@Churchill1965]

Good stuff Jonathan....Nye is not just a fool he is a dangerous fool !

[@MrJohndl]

Bill Nye is a very clever, well educated guy. If you don't believe that, YOU are the fool. Grow a brain.

[@noahschleusener5493]

+MrJohndl He has a bachelors degree in mechanical engineering...

[@charlesvonhabsburg3107]

+MrJohndl he is clever and well-educated. But that only makes him a clever and well-educated fool.

[@Springra5000]

This is such a good video, Pastor Freeman showed this to the adult bible study yesterday and it was connected to the creation with the first chapter and part of the second chapter of Genesis and the first part of the Apostles Creed. Most of my church members had a good laugh including myself. God Bless you Pastor Fish and have a wonderful Monday.

[@Bulldog060644]

I'm a college student and honestly I've seen tenured evolutionist professors with a mind more open to debate than some of the people on this thread. I'm a Lutheran btw and I talk to anyone (respectfully I might add) who wants to talk to me in a civilized manner. hint hint people

[@RepublicofE]

The thing about the stars as it relates to young Earth theory is based on the assumption that light always travels at the same rate. This is not something we can know for sure. It's true that it appears to travel at the same rate as far as our own experience goes, but when you take into consideration the fact that our own world is but a negligible portion of the entire universe, saying that light must necessarily travel at the same rate just because we have observed it as such is a bit like saying you know how a newly discovered animal species will behave from now on based on 20 seconds of observing its behavior. How do we know it doesn't suddenly accelerate after 500 billion miles of travel. We can't, because there is yet no way for us to test that hypothesis, the only way we have ever been able to record the speed of light is using distances compared to the whole known universe are negligible.

[@ChazzP1992]

"in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect." -1 Peter 3 ESV

[@wittig57]

Please keep doing what YOU'RE doing. Never stop.

[@wcbpolish]

Rev Fisk, I absolutely agree with you and your premises. However, there were a couple of times that I winced and thought "he could have done better on that one" - plate tectonics for example. The text blurb helped, but I felt a couple of times like you were enjoying berating him so much that you put your foot in your mouth. I was glad that you brought up the fact that most Muslims are creationist- ever seen the "Atlas of Creation"? I disagree with its premise, but it's a good resource.

[@nicoXP3712]

I understand what you're saying. I am continuing to work on this. Thanks for calling me on it.

[@DanGorby]

I don't understand why it's so hard to get Americans to distinguish between assumptions, observations, and inferences these days. We definitely should start teaching philosophy in American schools.

[@2fast2block]

Hey, you're doing a great job! I've done your approach MANY times and see that it is a waste of time to try to be rational and honest with irrational and dishonest people like Nye. So, for me, I cut right to the chase and say I am a creationist, period. I believe that right from the start from all the knowledge we have that it makes sense that somehow there was a creation that happened supernaturally because nothing can NOT create something naturally. I don't go into my God, any other gods or whatever, because that is not the point of the beginning fundamental question of how could nothing create something naturally. I then say that it makes no sense to debate people who prove themselves irrational and dishonest from the start of it all. So if you don't believe in creation supernaturally from the start, tell me how it happened naturally. From that, you will get a bunch for farting smoke screens to avoid the question. A few will give their "scientific" explanation which will prove they don't know what nothing means. Or, they'll say we just don't know yet but all the rest of it makes sense. I don't let them jump to other subjects when it is clear they can't handle the beginning subject rationally and honestly and you'll see them trying desperately attempting to change the subject because they are dishonest and deceitful. With such people you're wasting your time to go beyond the fundamental beginning. If people are not honest and rational about 1 + 1 equalling 2 then don't expect them to be honest about any math beyond that. Again, it's a waste with such people. I do have to admit though, it's fun going on with them and just destroying these idiot atheists. They call themselves "free thinkers" and the reality is, they're free of thinking. So you fools calling me a stupid creationist, you tell me how it happened naturally from the start. Now watch the stupid fools attempt to. LOL.

[@EnderEpicosity22]

Bill Nye... You have failed me... Just spent the last 15 minutes reading Rev. Fisk's comments tearing apart others hateful responses. Good job Fisk!

[@FreeLion007]

Another great video! There are more of us with multiple advanced degrees who do not believe in macro-evolution than Bill would believe, methinks. The arguments against evolution are growing, while the evidence which was thought to support evolution (Haeckle's faked embryo drawings, etc.) is showing signs of fatal flaws (missing intermediate species, etc.). I'll keep my faith in Scripture & stay skeptical about abiogenesis. May God bless you, your work and those you love. Bill has slipped a belt.

[@nicoXP3712]

And just so you know, that wasn't an arrogant "make sense." I genuinely want to know if you understand my point, whether you agree with it or not.

[@CJ2345ish]

I really like what you're doing Pastor Fisk, I really do. Many people now who take science as truth and throw religion out the window are quite honestly misconstrued from the truth. There is something to be said about the man who works to avidly to defend his cause whether or not that cause is right or wrong. I just happen to know you're right. Also, I studied a bit of philosophy in which many classify as Apologetics and I am curious to know how much of this similar philosophy you know.

[@KineticPlague]

Thank you. I appreciate it. Christianity may require a belief in creation, but not in a young earth creation.

[@awgamblin1987]

Pastor Fisk, thank you for your wise advice and the ministry of WE.

[@ronnoc924]

What was the song at the end.17:08

[@ChazzP1992]

So how would you reconcile death before Adam's Fall with what St. Paul writes in Romans 5, " Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned."?

[@ChazzP1992]

I have no idea what the purpose of the fruit was, and unless there is a portion of Scripture I am ignorant of, I do not expect to know.

[@ananAbell]

Now I see why my father who is a mechanical engineer cannot have patents on brake boosters that work. Sorry world, your cars won't stop.

[@BenjaminWirtz]

Isaac Newton was a Christian. The guy who discovered genetics, Mandel I believe his name was, was a monk.

[@Outrider74]

Great video! What's even more frustrating is dealing with theistic evolutionists who embrace the gospel but deny the foundations of Christian history!

[@TangoFoxtrotWhiskey]

I watched a few of your videos yesterday, including the response to Kevin DeYoung. Quite interesting. Still, we agree on more than we disagree on. LCMS along with Confessional Presbyterians take the Bible and Christ seriously, even if we disagree on some pretty big things. I'd be far more comfortable in an LCMS church than most other churches. I would hope you would feel the same. Either way, love the show, keep up the good work. Oh, and Dr. Rosenbladt contributes a bit to Reformed functions. :)

[@Nightbringger]

Thank you for taking 2 second clips out of context, I will not argue your ideals or beliefs because, well you are entitled to them, I may disagree, however that is not my issue, My issue is that many of the clips you show were taken out of context, and while the point he was making is still present, I strongly feel that the tone in which they were presented is better set when context has been established.

[@Interestingenough4]

Brother Fisk, you are brilliant.

[@truckinallnight69]

Great Video! !

[@Paleolutheran]

Nah...keep up the good work. I talked to Christhelutheran in person today about this video. I just love being a smartalleck with these the New Atheists. I have seen nothing but irrationality from much of their videos. Hope I can come to the Ft Wayne Symposium this January again.

[@Paleolutheran]

I do like picking fights...but with the New Atheists its a little bit like being the fastest turtle in a bunny race. On the flip side...we can do battle anytime you like...pistols...30 yards! And don't claim the Greek Aristotle by using St. Thomas :-P.

[@augiedoggie]

cool katanas! Are you a samoorye?

[@casperisademocrat]

Well Said .. And lovingly so ..

[@georgelabe-assimo4365]

Hmmm...have you heard of William Lane Craig before? Just curious.

[@nicoXP3712]

I apologize if that's how you took it, but I really wasn't being smug. Nevertheless, I am sorry if that's how it came off. I didn't think that you knew the difference because what you were stating kinda sounded like you believed for micro, so you can understand my confusion since you were defending macro. A bit presumptuous on my part, I'll admit that, but that's how I read it.

[@jenisedai]

You should check Big Think out. It doesn't have an anti-Christian point of view, it presents different speakers on different topics, most of which don't touch on Christianity/anti-Christianity at all. It's kind of TED-like. I don't agree with everything, but there are some good points being made.

[@JESabater]

What bothers me most is that I was one of those kids that grew up watching Bill Nye. He was intelligent, clever, funny and above all, careful in explaining facts. So, it really gets to me that he did such a poor job making this "argument". It was more like bigoted opinion hawking.

[@MvMCorky]

yeah, science won't get the right answers without evolution. Just like how Isaac Newton totally got that whole calculus thing wrong when he was providing the mathematics necessary for his explanation of physics. If only Newton had access to Darwin he could've accomplished so much more.

[@KineticPlague]

I understand what this video is about and if you had read my previous post you'd see that. At 12:23 Bill states that this view (creationism) won't be around in a couple of centuries. Then at 14:25 you go on to say that Christianity will be around, even though he wasn't talking about Christianity. He didn't even mention it in the video. My point: Christianity is not Creationism.

[@Bibbelonie]

Whats with the swords? Are you a christian samurai?

[@FreeLion007]

Hoping that my admission of being both Christian and believing in the Bible will help others, I admit that belief in the Scriptures requires belief in Genesis, Adam and the Fall, or else there is no need for a Savior. Evolutionists may currently hold sway over academic departments at universities, but, when Yeshua (Jesus) returns, a lot of people will be embarrassed at their devotion to the evolutionary theory.

[@round3r86]

So I can use my belief in creationism as justification for not paying taxes?!?! AWESOME!!!!

[@TomXizor]

AND IS ANYONE GOING TO MENTION THE DAMN SWORDS?

[@KineticPlague]

How do you reconcile the fact that the tree of knowledge had fruit on it. What is the purpose of fruit? It is concrete evidence that there was death before Adam. Although Adam was the first person given a soul and also was the first without death.

[@nicoXP3712]

"Genesis is not a textbook and it should not be read as one." Wonderful. Remember some of Jon's earlier videos, about creation? How, if you don't have the idea about the Creation, it kinda screws every other doctrine -- indeed, the Scriptures -- up? If you want to be an evolutionist, fine. Just do it with the understanding that Scripture and the theory (as it IS only a theory) are somewhat irreconcilable and exclusive to each other.

[@drthmik]

Proverbs chapter 9 is really good, especially verses 7-10: Whoever corrects a scoffer gets himself abuse, and he who reproves a wicked man incurs injury. Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you; reprove a wise man, and he will love you. Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser; teach a righteous man, and he will increase in learning. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is insight. Oh just read the whole thing, it all applies

[@tlstout65]

"Adam and Eve never existed" That is what we call an unprovable assertion used to make a point. "Evolution is a theory based on pure evidence," Well, it is one attempt to interpret the facts, but hardly the only one, as Creationism uses the same facts, with a completely different inerpretation. "Your beliefs are based on what people wrote 2000 years ago." Your beliefs are based on what people wrote barely more than 100 years ago, and the Old Testament is much older than 2000 years.

[@odinata]

I'm not the one trying to change scientific facts. You are.

[@ladysybil5695]

Give me one argument Bill Nye made for the existence of evolution.

[@vulpesopacus]

Also, the principle of charity, though that is not technically a fallacy.

[@HesNotATameLion]

I lost every bit of respect I had for Bill Nye (yes, I watched his show growing up) when I watched his Big Think video. And I gain more respect for Pastor Fisk with every WE video I watch.

[@bryanminghan]

Awesome video. Creationism for the win! Evolution and the whole concept of millions of years came about only recently in history (even more recent if the Earth is indeed millions of years old). The Bible is not a science textbook but, written by the Creator Himself, it contains all the blueprints we need to know and more importantly make our way back to Him through believing, repenting and following Jesus Christ. Let the love of Christ then and not just head knowledge be the difference.

[@TangoFoxtrotWhiskey]

LCMS Lutherans aren't the only people that take the bible seriously. Confessional Presbyterians do as well. Yes, there are certainly differences, but you probably wouldn't disagree with that much.

[@TheHackettMan]

Great laughs. His argument is, well, as said, just assertions...it's fine to throw out your own beliefs for everyone to see, but at least distinguish them as such. Don't call your own beliefs an argument.

[@brycepatties]

The biggest disagreement with evolution I have is that it argues that life began where there was no life. And then it goes on to say that life can only come from where there is life. That a soup of chemicals, containing the same constituent elements as amino acids, can be subjected to enormous amounts of energy and turn some of those chemicals into amino acids is used as proof. Until we actually make some kind of cell, with structure and that reproduces, in a way that even comes close to replicating what is claimed to be the conditions of earth billions of years ago, I won't be convinced. As a side note, you definitely need a thorough knowledge of the theory of evolution to be a mechanical engineer. Oh wait, you don't.

[@DannyTaddei]

OK Pastor,(as per your comment) chops busting time. Dinosaurs have nothing to do with oil. Oil is abiotic. It is produced far below the earth's crust and pushed up to the surface. I'm an oil field captain. If people knew this, my salary would drop but that's ok. I'd rather have them know. I recommend reading "The Great Oil Conspiracy". 1 reason for the evolution push is to help oil companies continue to push high prices. After all, the only reason to pay so much is they say it's running out.

[@007TruthSeeker]

After debating atheists for days at the site where Bill's diatribe is posted, and having them ignore the ignorant and even stupid-sounding comments Bill made in his video (like only the U.S. has people opposed to evolution, leaving out all other countries where religious views are strong), I find them unwilling to examine their beliefs critically. They are only full of criticism of religious views, and don't realize that they are not able to provide evidence to prove evolution or to disprove God

[@Whatsittuya407]

God bless you man!

[@pianomikey0]

9:25 Didn't see THAT coming...

[@Aleksamson]

Interesting how most non-believers don't block ratings or comments and when comments are held for approval.....it's usualy done by religious. (even if respectful)Now, you don't have to approve this comment....to prove me wrong. Insted you could do it by approving my original /first comment.

[@drgoldteef]

I can't help but notice one thing. That is a glaringly incomplete library you're standing in front of. I've read all the books I can see on your shelf except the "7 Chritian rules..." one. I think you need some books by Carl Sagan, Neil Tyson, Stephen Hawking, Bertrand Russel, Victor Stenger, and especially Bill Nye. You stand to learn quite a lot from them. Also, per Mr. Nye, do us all a favor and teach your kids HOW to think - not WHAT to think. :)

[@KineticPlague]

No, not confessional. Genesis is not a textbook and it should not be read as one. The Roman Catholic Church, which has half of the Christian population, has issued an official statement accepting evolution. That combined with the other protestant denominations that also accept evolution and you have a majority. My argument was that "Creationist" is not synonymous with "Christian", which Fisk seems to indicate in this video. It can't be synonymous because most Christians are not creationists.

[@pardonme4now]

Thanks for the video. I have come across many people who believe that the Theory of Evolution is scientifically proven and thus fail English for not knowing what "theory" means and fail science for not knowing what "scientific method" means. Let's not talk, either, about the really big assumption in ToE regarding time and that everything occurs at the same rate now as it did at the beginning. Shhhhh.

[@RoyalAnarchist]

Occam's or Hitchens Razor

[@FloralSpaceship]

You'll have to be more specific as to what you mean when you say a first premise. As in what do I believe in, how I believe the world started, or what?

[@samuel5101520]

That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes 1:9 Just saying

[@Vexadoodle]

By your logic, any form of observation is then false, seeing as we cannot assume that the universe can ever be observed without being called believers

[@KineticPlague]

I usually enjoy Revfiskj's videos and I usually agree with everything he talks about, but not this time. If you watch the entire big think video without the commentary you will notice that Bill never attacks or starts a fight with Christianity; only Creationism. They are not the same thing. In fact most Christians accept evolution as fact. Any way, I'd like to see a video talking about the subject at hand (evolution vs YEC) and not Bill's poor attempt at a video. By the way I am Lutheran.

[@DarthBobCat]

I mean, frankly, if I believe proposition A truly, and someone tells me to not raise my kids believing proposition A, short of them providing refutation for proposition A, why should I? Imagine if someone belittled you for teaching your kids the world was round. Why would you stop, short of evidence it was flat? You won't reach anyone with that sort of "logic," it's just preaching to the choir. That video was made for other atheists so they could pat themselves on the back.

[@odinata]

Your opinions don't change scientific facts.

[@MrStangnes]

well most engineers is pretty well educated and fairly smart. and you're not very smart or educated if you honestly belive the invisible man is behind anything. If a guy openly thinks there's talking snakes and accepts stories as facts, with no evidence, he's in no position to be a engineer.

[@KineticPlague]

It doesn't screw anything up. God still created the universe and everything in it. He either guided evolution as it went along or simply put it in motion knowing the outcome. There still was an Adam and Eve and a Fall. Also... please look up the definition of Theory. It is a widely accepted set of ideas. The scientific definition is different than what you think it means.

[@MosesMedinaE]

Great video pastor fisk.

[@RES574]

I just have a question. Rev. Fisk always says that the resurection of Christ can be historically proven and I know that the Bible is the best (and most accurate) historical proof of this. Were there perhaps other documents or accounts that had stated this?

[@shahstormaggedoni5854]

Bot sure if this helps, but a channel called InspiringPhilosophy has some videos on evidence for the resurrection

[@Revfiskj]

Gary Habermas Historical Jesus

[@Paleolutheran]

srlsy?

[@aaroncarlson1162]

Now remember, the LCMS supports Creation (as the scriptures describe literally), but not Creationism (the idea that the book of Genesis is a science textbook).

[@RobertEWaters]

I don't think many creationists would accept your definition of creationism, Aaron.

[@DarthBobCat]

I don't agree with your perspective (which seems to be some sort of young Earth creationism if I understand you, I'm a theistic evolutionist personally), but I definitely agree that Bill Nye is being full of crap here. He's just using his internet street cred to be a bully for Atheism. Bill Nye's lost a lot of the respect he built up with me as a kid loving his specials.

[@nicoXP3712]

And actually, if you could pray for me in this area, I'd appreciate it sir.

[@Wilq59r]

I like the way you think and argument, but please don't assume all christians don't believe in evolution, it's just not true.

[@IgnitingTheMind]

Brilliant. Evolutionist beliefs are beyond all logic. This subject gets my blood pressure up but not this time because you made me laugh. Thank you!!!!

[@burningsirius]

I love you man!

[@klausschmidt2774]

Hey awesome video thanks.

[@nicoXP3712]

Really? It's scientific? What's the definition of science? What I learned throughout my entire academic career was that it is "a systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation." Show me an experiment that even CAN prove evolution. All you've got are observations that can be explained at least a hundred different ways. That's what I say of your "fossil record as well as in DNA testing" argument. It is AN explanation, but hardly the only one.

[@pterandon]

But Adam died in the day he ate the fruit, according to God.

[@FloralSpaceship]

That's correct. Even Atheism is technically a religion, but people always argue that they belong to no religion within Atheism. Now, personally, I don't believe in a god. I don't believe that there is some higher being, I couldn't really tell you what I believed in if you asked. I honestly don't know. However, personally I don't believe in a god, and that is my belief. If you do, then so be it, I'll leave you to that. And I actually must agree that he is wrong on many of his points.

[@abetwo4321]

you speak the truth. bunnies are cute. the Quark dude...lol

[@nicoXP3712]

Buddy, it really does screw it up, and to be honest - and I'm not trying to be mean here - it doesn't sound like you understand the difference between macro and micro evolution. which is okay - they aren't widely used terms. micro-evolution can be believed by a Christian - from a Christian perspective, God created everything in six literal days, and continues to help His creatures out by changing them little by little over the years, but they don't become entirely new species.