Netflix's Live-Action Winx Club Remake is Not Very Good | Billiam

[@sirensong237]

Musa not being a music fairy, Flora not being in the show, Stella being extremely bitchy to Bloom for no reason, despite Stella being the main reason Bloom agreed to enroll in Alphea in the first place, fairies not having their wings... this is basically Mean Girls with extra steps.

[@skeletonwar4445]

"Yo boss, our new generic edgy teen drams has like zero brand recognition." "Hmmm... which name rights can we buy right now?" "Uhhh, Winx is pretty cheap?" "Aight, slap it on there."

[@ApequH]

Mean Girls without humor with extra steps. Mean Girls was funny

[@van641]

mean girls was iconic dont compare it to this shit ✋😭

[@nessyness5447]

Brandon ereased so they could create a love triangle between stella , sky and bloom 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@nessyness5447]

@@van641 true, besides, mean girls had good fashion

[@Mumblejumby]

Bruh, bloom's adopted parents are the most wholesome parents ever in the cartoon, why are they making it as a bad thing for being adopted???

[@neps9800]

Not everyone that it's adopted hates their adoptive parents, and in somecases they can be better than the real ones! But for Netflix to asume every adopted kid hates their adoptive parents

[@curlygee2914]

Didnt you know? There always has to be angst between the child and parent for the parents to willingly sent the kid across the world for school. It's their main concept. Gotta love it (I hate it).

[@ApequH]

I loved how in the first episode they where like, "Huh you're a fairy. That's strange, but we believe in you, good luck in fairy school!" (I'm paraphrasing) No drama, no secrete, just support.

[@tontonfox]

@@ApequH It was they knew she was "special" was magical when her dad found her in a burning building and the fire didn't even touch her. They were 100% supportive, even was 100% supportive when she wanted to find out who she was, where she was from. And when Bloom found her biological parents and saved her kingdom, she still treated her adoptive parents as her parents.

[@mr.goblin6039]

Edgy reboots can’t have anything happy or wholesome in them. There’s gotta be angst, anger and unnecessary drama. NO WHOLESOMENESS.

[@BugsyFoga]

Out of all the edgy teen reboots out there , i honestly never expected Winx Club to be one of them.

[@ivanvalentin7713]

Its all about that nostalgia money man. Add a little sentimental value to something and people lose their minds over it. That's why no matter how many of these remakes don't do well with audiences they keep coming: we keep watching. Waiting. Hoping. The few good ones are enough to keep that hope alive

[@naquingreen1603]

@@ivanvalentin7713 There hasn't been a single successful dark edgy and mature reboot of a cartoon

[@naquingreen1603]

@@ivanvalentin7713 Capcom did the same thing in the mid-to-late 2000s and 2010s when they tried to reboot some of their franchises final fight Bionic Commando and DmC Devil May Cry are the biggest examples There was even a dark edgy and gritty reboot of Mega Man that thankfully was canceled

[@naquingreen1603]

@@ivanvalentin7713 Here's the thing Netflix created fate a Winx Saga to appeal to older fans however it did the opposite older fans despise this remake / reboot for many many reasons This show is immature and it has bad writing and yet Netflix says it's supposed to appeal to older audiences

[@life_is_no_fairytale]

@UC7zTO44LlpmgYVGokJJPYiQ reboot, adaptation. Doesn't really matter. It sucks either way. Netflix top 10 list doesn't really say anything about its success. If that were true they wouldn't have canceled multiple shows that were in the top 10.

[@dchen8874]

"everyone hates themselves, and they hate each other, and they're annoyed when they're around one another but they're always around one another so they're always annoyed." yep, basically sums up teen dramas

[@blazingfuryoffire1]

@@returnedtomonkey8886 Persona 4 was more Scooby Doo with demon killing. Persona 5 is close to your drama, yet still avoids falling into that pit.

[@rorrim0]

@@returnedtomonkey8886 I disagree as persona 4 isn't all that comparable to jojo part 4. Persona 4 plays off more as a mystery and the murders play a big part in the story. Jojo part 4 is more slice of life, with a murderer thrown in. The antics of Kira don't effect the town all that much, except for motivation to catch him that mostly arrives at halfway through the story.

[@rorrim0]

@@blazingfuryoffire1 persona 4 is a teen drama l, it's just less dark then persona 5 and 3.

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Popularity of this shows how unknown to Quality many people are. They just dont know whats good and whats really, really bad. This show even constantly talked about ass-fucking? Really? Wow. WTF. Real disgusting thing to make a Running Gag. Wow.

[@returnedtomonkey8886]

@@slevinchannel7589 this show... is popular? You're kiding right?

[@marcela3167]

"there's no silly bunny.... but there's **~genocide~**" lmao that really got me

[@kusodm2347]

I came here to post this

[@trilobitose]

@@DisasterLord rip Daisy

[@benjaminacuna8013]

I mean there was genocide in the original one too

[@bluefalcon6356]

@@DisasterLord rip daisy, doom world didnt deserve her

[@angrycup8708]

@@benjaminacuna8013 Jup

[@life_is_no_fairytale]

What bothers me about how horrible this show is, is that the original winx club had plenty of dark plot to work with! Bloom was a genocide survivor with her sister dying to save her, Aiesha/Layla was practically raised in social isolation that caused her psychological issues, Musa watched her mother slowly die, etc. All this BS they made up for the live action was unnecessary! And then they took out what was the core of the show! Friendship, love and support. And the whole 'transformation magic has been lost to us" bit was absolutely an excuse. I legit paused the episode and told me roommate 'translation:we couldn't be bothered with transformations even though they were also a big part of the show".

[@jasonpritchett2043]

Its a Netflix adaptation did you really think they were going to do good with this show I had so low expectations for this that nothing surprised me

[@sarahtelles1931]

Actually, She saves her sister and her biological parents and I think I haven't seen the last two seasons

[@ciscotheyoutuber1002]

right! Even Stella with her parents divorce, they had the blueprint right there I though they were going to go more in depth about it

[@life_is_no_fairytale]

@@sarahtelles1931 Yes, she does but that's kind of besides the point. For 3 seasons we thought she was the last person from her world alive. Thats pretty dark.

[@MakiPcr]

In season 1, Stella and Bloom get involved with Prince Sky and Squire Brandon, but then turns out the boys had switched identities like Kiera Knightly and Natalie Portman in Star Wars, so Stella has to discovered that the boy she loves has been lying to her all along (also he wasn't a prince); and I don't know that sounds way more dramatic than a love triangle

[@wolfsid00196]

another stupid change, are the clothing color palletes. Bloom's color is blue not red. same for all the other girls. They rally said Bloom has fire so she MUST be red.

[@pk_madrigal]

one of the things I really appreciated was how Bloom used blue and Flora used pink for some really great color schemes in their fairy forms

[@shanzehimran9324]

I actually never understood why Bloom had blue in the og. Idk redheads and water/blue is a pretty common trope too. think ariel, mera...

[@sarthakarora3212]

@@shanzehimran9324 Blue flames are more hotter red flames, blue flames consumes less, oxygen generate more heat and are way more condensed. Look at a stove and you will see fire turns blue at it's hottest point and get smaller too. She is way more mature in winx club hence, her flames are mature too.

[@shanzehimran9324]

@@sarthakarora3212 I know the science behind blue flames but is that really why they gave her baby blue and pink as a color theme? Also if she's mature then why aren't her fire powers actually blue? why her clothes...?

[@2ndkeeper]

@@shanzehimran9324 The blue is to contrast her orange hair because blue and orange are complementary colours. The pink was there in later seasons for civilian probably because "girl colour".

[@dragonetafireball]

Who sees a techno fantasy world and thinks “yea let’s strip it of anything even remotely unique and make it identical to the 20 other gritty teen supernatural shows

[@Destroyergod12]

Netflix

[@joshuasweetman4903]

Netflix did to Winx Club that CW does to literally shark jumping childhood shows into a 2020s decade charmless husk. Some following CW crap ideas that may eventually become "dramas" - Camp Lazlo but relationship - Dexter's Laboratory but mad genius - Johnny Bravo but drug addiction Etc. Make it stop reeeeeee

[@dragonetafireball]

@@joshuasweetman4903 I stopped paying attention to CW after they fully admitted they were aware Jughead is asexual and they just chose to ignore it so I have literally no clue what their up to but it’s probably all terrible. Winx is similarly just completely ignoring Musa’s race is just an evolution of the same attitude of show runners not giving an f because they clearly had an idea for a completely different show and just sloppily pasted a recognisable IP on to increase views. Also I fear the day someone thinks edgy Jonny Bravo is a good idea because they will definitely miss the point.

[@mmtruooao8377]

even with the winx animation that netflix took over... they just put it on earth and made it even more childish and boring. like y'all don't know how to make shows for kids if it needs to be that dumbed down.

[@JamCat11]

My respect for netflix dropped soooo loww

[@NICKtendoReviews]

Silly Netflix, Trix are for kids

[@teddyfurstman1997]

Makes me want to watch Kid Cosmic on Netflix more than this Teen Drama Reboot of classic cartoon shows garbage.

[@shanzehimran9324]

maybe because netflix didn't need three different antagonists for the exact same purpose. also after about 8 seasons and god knows how many movies, the trix got unbelievably repetitive and boring. also WoW doesn't have the Trix but nobody bats an eye at that.

[@shanzehimran9324]

so they put in Beatrix...Be A Trix...to show that they weren't forgotten, just unnecessary.

[@charlieedwards4331]

I AM DEAD

[@hr6439]

@@shanzehimran9324 are you defending this shitshow?

[@kevinsolr6704]

I wish the clothes were cuter, why can’t we have girls saving the day but in lipgloss and pink :(

[@genericname2747]

Because female heroes can't act feminine ever. There is only edgy

[@Luna-ry8lv]

Ikr like it doesn't even have to be pink, just cute and colourful like the original Winx outfits

[@christianacquasanta1472]

Because that's sexist you bigot! - Twitter Unit #1011101

[@sophiesheppard6719]

I know right! It’s almost worse making it so that women have to be like men to be strong

[@Liggliluff]

At least have interesting outfits after a transformation.

[@rachelnelson4796]

The only person Bloom is nice to, is the dude she's trying to bone, but even then she's mean

[@cryforhelp7270]

She drugged that dude too, really says something if she was the nicest to him lmao

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Popularity of this shows how unknown to Quality many people are. They just dont know whats good and whats really, really bad. This show even constantly talked about ass-fucking? Really? Wow. WTF. Real disgusting thing to make a Running Gag. Wow.

[@jasminkrieger8464]

Thos looks more like hunger games winx hell instead of winx Club

[@Crazyarchfiend]

Making the Trix into one character, and not even a witch at that, was a huge "f*ck you" to the original fans. I wanted the Mean Girls theme song there so bad

[@kateb6699]

mean girls are popular mean girls are cool 😢

[@Crazyarchfiend]

@@kateb6699 The fact that it would actually fit in this edgy show.....a moment of silence 😪

[@lrose1310]

I don't know why Netflix just didn't center the show around the Trix in the first place. Based on this, it would seem The Trix were exactly what they wanted in the first place.

[@penelles8400]

Lol I read a comment earlier that her name is literally “Be a Trix”

[@dc9067]

@@lrose1310 righttt a show around them

[@FiteMeMage]

I simply cannot care less about “Winx” Saga. I’m so TIRED of edgy grimdark teen dramas. I have two teenage siblings, they’re already suffering enough, at least give them fun and wholesome anime teen dramas to relate to. It’s so sad that they did this to WINX of all series. I had like every single doll of the Winx Club girls, I carried around my Stella doll everywhere because her bright colors and cute twin tails just made me happy to exist, I related to Bloom’s lonesome upbringing, I thought Musa was the coolest girl ever, I had a HUGE crush on Tecna. All I wanted was a wholesome cartoon reboot with better animation. Not THIS MESS! THEY GOT RID OF THEIR WINGS AND SPARKLES!! WHAT IS THIS HELLWORLD!! 😭😭😭

[@returnedtomonkey8886]

You disrespect grimdark by comapring it to this trash.

[@digitalshadowfox720]

mhm

[@morenodeluxe4071]

Watch gakuen babysitters for max wholesome

[@slevinchannel7589]

You should watch some Videos of different youtubers who cover extremly bad Adaptations, like: -Avatar the Last Airbender. -Winx Club Life Action. -Mulan 2020. -Percy Jackson Movies (Both!). They are all individually funny and good (the Reviews and Rants, i mean), but because (!) no one can ever list all the problems with them, its all like a big Puzzle. I repeat: Its like a Puzzle, so you need to watch different youtubers about all this. Have fun! Tell me later how it all was!

[@wigglewiggle4201]

Mhm and it was already dark, they dealt with mental issues and several dark issues, yet they said "how about make it netflix"

[@cyanconstellations]

how to ruin winx: 1- strip it of everything that makes the winx recognisable 2- make it dark

[@daniyah5613]

So technically, Netflix did a great job! 👏 ... at ruining Wina Club...

[@panfrei5932]

I never watched the original series and i i don't f****** care. I didn't even know that the series was based on another. You have to look at the series standing alone. Old fans can never be satisfied anyway. But you are really exaggerating in compare the series to the original. so chill and enjoy the series as a stand-alone work.

[@justalula7151]

@@panfrei5932 The show was meant to be geared towards the original show's older fans. Plus its supposed to be a live action of a cartoon. Of course people are gonna compare it to the show. Thats like telling Death Note fans to see the Death Note live action as a stand alone movie. You wouldn't understand the outrage because you haven't seen the original series. Plus the comment was exactly accurate. The live action took away the most essential parts of Winx Club when they tried to make the show"darker". The friendship and relationships, the fairy transformations(one of the most memorable things about it), outfits,powers,the loveable characters,the intriguing villians, and the world itself. The Winx Club was a fun show that centered on friendship. They changed way too much things and just kept in some of the names,terminology,and elements from the original show. A lot of us just wanted at least for the friendship element in the show to be kept but it doesn't even have that. You can enjoy the show but us fans can also criticize it for not being what it was meant to be. A darker live action of Winx Club not some Riverdale and Sabrina birthchild.

[@hillarywin]

The winx club was originally light academia if anything and they made it dark 💀

[@panfrei5932]

@Narancia Ghirga yes i think you hit the nail on the head with it. As I said the series is pretty good for anyone who is not a fan.

[@thanatoast]

Can't wait for the W.I.T.C.H. remake where they only occasionally encounter magical enemies and it's just teen drama. They even have that one scene where they come up with the W.I.T.C.H. acronym and of course they all think it's super lame and roll their eyes 20 times during the entire thing.

[@gemrock]

I feel like Netflix is just going threw the old 4kids cartoon hour line up to choose their next dark show. I'm expecting cubex and Cardcaptor next.

[@enemigoconlanzadewarioland3653]

@@gemrock The edgy cubix live action reboot where cubix is an emotionless robot and Connor abuses his power

[@theunknownunpopularuser8319]

@@enemigoconlanzadewarioland3653 Could be like a Pacific Rim series or something like an anime not sure.

[@TheSenseOfNonsens]

😂😂😂 That would be terrible🤦🏼‍♂️ Would Probably watch it nonetheless ......😅🙃

[@Raximus3000]

@@gemrock They'd have to pay for the rights on those, one is a korean show and the other one is... Part of the clamp multiverse so good luck getting any rights on it, lol.

[@starsandbeyond5848]

I just now actualy realised that the most irritating moment in the Netflix series is the lack of friendship. Like the only thing that made winx the animation fun was their friendliness and how each one was colorful in her own way.

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Popularity of this shows how unknown to Quality many people are. They just dont know whats good and whats really, really bad. This show even constantly talked about ass-fucking? Really? Wow. WTF. Real disgusting thing to make a Running Gag. Wow.

[@starsandbeyond5848]

@@slevinchannel7589 For real? I haven't looked into it , but that's awful. As a show creator myself I hate when I see things made with such bad taste and you think someone even a whole team thought this is okay to show.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@starsandbeyond5848 You should watch some Videos of different youtubers who cover extremly bad Adaptations, like: -Avatar the Last Airbender. -Winx Club Life Action. -Mulan 2020. -Percy Jackson Movies (Both!). They are all individually funny and good (the Reviews and Rants, i mean), but because (!) no one can ever list all the problems with them, its all like a big Puzzle. I repeat: Its like a Puzzle, so you need to watch different youtubers about all this. Have fun! Tell me later how it all was!

[@NAME-yg8sl]

I hate how they ruined Blooms and Stella's relationship over a boy.

[@starsandbeyond5848]

@@NAME-yg8sl Yes, something that was the essence of the animated show, their togetherness and bond they had.That is completely gone here.

[@avej99]

The funny thing is that the original was actually pretty fucking dark when it wanted to be for example: Bloom’s entire family being destroyed, aisha going blind and having her entire world threatened to be destroyed, techna nearly dying, the trix stealing blooms magic to raise an army of god damn darkness, and Darkar, just darkar, Naboo dying and lets not forget sky and brandon switching identities because of a terrorist threat

[@sashashadowhive6128]

Let's not forget the fact that Bloom is a genocide survivor. The destruction of Domino. The Brainwashing of River.

[@l.c.8475]

Political marriages, death, the truth about princesses being raised to be seen but not heard, the starving artist (Musa's mom who couldn't afford healthcare and died and the reason her dad doesn't want her to be a singer), coming to terms with being adopted, being true to yourself despite pressure from your family to be different The show does have depth, especially in the first few seasons.

[@sashashadowhive6128]

@@l.c.8475 Grooming by a teacher (Fake Avalon) PTSD (Layla after escaping form Darrkar) War

[@geogomez433]

Remember how Stella and Flora got their Enchantix? Stella used her own body as a shield to protect her father from a big magic attack and Flora almost drowned after saving her sister

[@NagisaFurukawa01]

it's funny how this was targeted at the "people who watched the original animation but grew up and are now adults" but the only people I heard who actually enjoyed it are those who never watched the animation or don't care much about it and are able to ignore the Winx aspect. This could've been a decent sort of enjoyable show had they removed the name Winx and all connections to Winx and decided they are college age so the sexual and drugs crap isn't so triggering.

[@ifuekoosarogiagbon7128]

Thank you! I've been losing my mind because fans who keep trying to defend the show say we need to completely forget about the og cartoon but that literally defeats the whole point!!

[@adricsoti3719]

EXATLY! My friend liked it but she never watched the original. I grew up with the cartoon and I absolutely HATE THIS

[@mj-f7135]

A person on sm said I'm just like the people who don't like the new star wars

[@rkah6187]

@@adricsoti3719 Agreed. Even if you disregard the original, it's still a very mediocre and boring show but if you are a fan of the animated show, this is downright infuriating.

[@MyLittleGreenHairdedMermaid]

Lets make a list of differences: They erased Techna who was an original member of Winx, Flora is not Flora but has her powers cause she is Flora's white cousin, Musa does not have music powers, Stella is an outright bitch, no wings (like wtf is a fairy without wings), the Winx Club are friends which is what makes the Winx Club the Winx Club

[@mimi-xx]

also, no trix :(

[@maldon3659]

A fairy without wings Is like an Angel without wings

[@shanzehimran9324]

spoiler: they do have wings

[@relo999]

To be fair Techna doesn't make sense in the modern world, where she did in the early 00's when dail up was still normal to see and every device had a specific button. While these days you can do pretty much anything you'd technologically want with a phone. The magic of technology is gone. The "Terra is just white Flora" argument couldn't be more american if it tried seeing, as Flora was just a tan white person. (The whole concept of Latino's is VERY american. Unless you sign up to literal Nazi ethnic reason of "the Mediterranean race" every Latino is either fully southern European, which american ironically consider white, fully African, or a mix of any of the above with sometimes some american indian mixed in. I could go into the colonial history of the term but that'd be redundant I imagine). And considering both shows are European and Flora was based on J-Lo, a porta Rican, a place whiter than the US but with tan white people it's not weird to say Flora is simply a tan white person. Personally I take more offense that she went from a tall skinny tan women to a pale short fat british woman. Musa, I'd reckon was more a plot thing and arguably to make magic in the world more consistent. Stella was a bitch in the first season, they warmed up to each other. Which is also seen in the show, so actually cannon. The wings thing I'd argue is more made to be modern and for a more adult audience. The original Winx was made for preteen, this was made for young adults. All in all the whole show is made a wide young adult audience and for the people that go "I vaguely remember this show", not for the die hard Winx fans.

[@shanzehimran9324]

@@relo999 I don't mind the fact that Terra is fat, I'm fat and for that I like the fact that the mid/plus size community is getting representation. I do agree with a lot of your points, I'm not too well versed on flora's ethinicity, only that she was apparently based upon Jennifer Lopez and so techincally hispanic. And yeah everyone's pissed that Stella is a bitch and why everyone hates each other but the reasoning for Stella being a bitch became really clear...her mother was involved. I literally am starting to believe that everyone who keeps thinking Fate is bad hasn't either watched the whole show or didn't pay attention to the details. One KZbinr said they gave up and didn't watch the last episode, then was mad about no wings. tbh im a die hard winx fan and I loved Fate. I do understand everyone's anger at the fact that magix was a world where technology and magic coexisted and that doesn't happen here but I took that as such a minor detail in the og, it doesn't really bother me here. yeah I wish tecna would come, I'm angry about that but i think netlflix managed to pull through with expectations so far so i am sort of expecting something about her to be done in season 2. who knows. again, it's just season 1 and the girls are still developing. idk why everyone keeps getting mad that the girls are acting different. like yeah there's something called character development that the og didn't really give us.

[@crescentblueee]

It wasn’t #1 because people liked it. It was #1 because many OG Winx fans fell for the clickbait 😔

[@tuffy135ify]

And articles pretending the show was woke for body positivity to whitewash the whitewashing.

[@rorrim0]

@@tuffy135ify I find the body positive movement a bit hogwash at times. Though with studios jumping at the chance to have representation, winx seemed to be handing it to them on a silver platter. I was half expecting them to replace the red head with a black woman, anywho, it is overall strange.

[@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow]

My gay heart fell after I watched it 😞

[@LjCaples]

I'm an OG winx fan and I didn't fall for it. Primarily because I don't watch netflix often.

[@bnewtz7492]

@@LjCaples Good for you.

[@johnnycranknose4098]

It’s like they took the Winx name and characters, and wrote an edgy, Wattpad level fan fic. Then, by some Fifty Shades of Gray magic, it was turned into a Netflix show.

[@Hichigo1554]

Why does this sound so accurate??😂😂

[@sadfaerie5817]

Dude are you the guy from honest trailers? 🤣

[@pureispure3184]

Underated comment

[@chipsmoradas2955]

Actually it's what actually happened lol they are just using the original names but going with different stories, what has no excuse is the fact that there is no Asian Musa and that Flora and Tecna are not included.. it wasn't that hard to put them in like, they created a whole new family related to Flora but not Flora lmao

[@jasminkrieger8464]

Mixed hunger games

[@monkeyming5545]

Friendship in teen dramas is so unhealthy. They constantly tear each other down and are always arguing but they’ll cry and eat ice cream together and suddenly they’re BFF’s until the next fight

[@shaesullivan]

Makes you wonder if the writers are channeling their own domestic issues?

[@madison5857]

literally. what is so wrong with teenage girls having a healthy friendship where they don’t fight at first. it happens all the time in real life.

[@shaesullivan]

@@madison5857 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGjbZWyNa7Ktrbs&ab_channel=TinaRoss

[@madison5857]

@@shaesullivan ???

[@lh9591]

Only supportive friends I can think of are Summer and Marissa from the OC

[@BlueBlazeKing]

What’s worse is the lost of Tecna also destroyed what made this series interesting. It was one of the few series that had perfectly blended together magic and technology. But here it seems exactly like any other show with a magic school

[@nessyness5447]

And alfea is not pink...how dare they.

[@COSun25]

Wait for Techna to arrive & talk smack about magic not being real without a scientific explanation.

[@houselemuellan8756]

The ending scene is literally just a rip off of Snape taking over Hogwarts.

[@houselemuellan8756]

Judging how shit Netflix is, I bet that they'll turn Techna into some kind of android or something.

[@COSun25]

@@houselemuellan8756 Thinking about her bringing the Orphan Black side of the universe & arching plot of Season 2?

[@kimmyputriraditya9379]

Lmao Bloom is presented as this "shy" And "Introverted" Girl. But in the first episode she wanted to go to a party 💀

[@xKingBlade]

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[@NAME-yg8sl]

She is just a jerk

[@ck-1649]

That's weird to hear, since her character in the original series was confident and a little stubborn

[@ck-1649]

@Will N that is true, I was just describing her character the way I saw it

[@nothanks7063]

Remember when Bloom was a fun and bubbly person who still had insecurities but did the best she could because she wasn't a tired shitty Netflix cliche?

[@adrielisaacs9228]

This video just cements the reasons why I really dislike Fate: The Winx Saga. I hate the way the character's personalities were butchered. Why on EARTH would you consider changing Stella to being a completely mean and unlikeable person? The whitewashing is appalling, and really unfortunate given how diverse the original show was. Like I get making a show M-rated, but just because it's M-rated doesn't mean that you need to add in continuous and useless/needless gore, sex, drugs and cursing. Come on, seriously. Where are the other specialists? WHY IS STELLA GOING OUT WITH SKY?! Where is Faragonda, where is Griselda? The fairies not having wings, and the blatant lewd talk just doesn't suit the Winx at all. Them cutting Tecna is atrocious, especially since Tecna saved the ENTIRE dimension in Season 3 to get her Enchantix. I am glad the original episodes of the show are here on YT to watch. I would gladly watch the RAI English dub I grew up with any day, over and over again, than watch one episode of that forsaken Netflix reboot again. I don't consider Fate: The Winx Saga as Winx Club at ALL. Not all young adults like their childhood shows tainted as reboots with dark atmospheres.

[@jameseverett3760]

Whitewashing is nothing new for Netflix; most Netflix shows race-change as much as possible, so the precedent is there. Oddly, this time they've decided to change Non-white character to white, instead of the other way around. Both are egregious, but the real focus should definitely be how loosely they decide to adapt ANYTHING. It's like they just get the writers to skim the wiki of the source material, then they warp the story to match their own unpublished stories as much as they can.

[@fataleflare]

and that’s exactly what I did. Watched one episode turned it off and turned on the RAI English version.

[@vullord666]

Pretty sure no young adults do. These reboots ARE NOT and I repeat NOT for those of us who grew up watching the show or extensively loved it. They’re for the people who maybe kinda heard the name before and now happen to be teenagers (or young adults that again have never actually watched the show) that see no meaning in life and comment on how much death is in everything. Basically if you liked Winx Club then this is for the little sister you told how much you loved the show (but never actually watched it herself) and is now going through a “phase” as she tells your mom (you get I’m making a point and it doesn’t matter if you have siblings right?). It’s them trying to make money off the teen to YA audience, but also wanting the free marketing that comes with a nostalgic tv show. Maybe the show made its way into pop culture or gets referenced in movies or who cares. The name is known so people see it and CLICK without having to do a ton of advertising and marketing for a brand NEW property.

[@RingsideSumo]

After they discussed their magic system i immediately thought of a way to make a tech fairy especially since they have phones and shit Tecna could come from a clan of hybrid fairies air for electricity and earth for metal.This would have fit perfectly since she would be an outcast due to her hybrid status.So I don't know what they were doing with their time.

[@SpeechlessEmilia]

My thoughts exactly. I would just add that the casting is AWFUL. Stop casting actors in mid/late 20s as teenagers, if not, then make the characters older and don’t pretend that this is what teenagers look like. Plus 3 teachers in 1 school where there are probably 100+ students? Lol. The Harry Potter reference was so cringe and the texting thing too plus it made zero sense if the creators actually watched the cartoon

[@milestrombley1466]

Riverdale Club: Vampire Dairies.

[@walnutsnsoap9878]

I think you meant Riverdale Fairie and Witch Club: Weaponized Teen Angst.

[@EssexAggiegrad2011]

There is an Archie series where Veronica becomes a vampire. I'm not kidding either.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

Considering that some of the crew that was involved with the TVD is now part of this show, it makes sense

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

I thought that was Sabrina?

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

@@OtakuUnitedStudio Nah, Sabrina's fun and campy.

[@quinn3110]

The fact that Musa was inspired by an Asian actress/model, and her whole home planet based on East Asian culture... and yet they still managed to not cast an Asian actress. And the fact that Terra was cast as Flora, but the backlash led to a name change and made Flora a relative of Terra 😭 And not to mention the lack of cool technology and magic combinations... They picked the genocide ark and let go of the rest. Dark academia vibes, but without the good parts

[@newyearseva]

Exactly! I’ve seen people trying to downplay the whitewashing, especially Musa’s casting because the actress is a bit of Asian descent. But it *matters*. And actually really like Elisha, but Musa’s ethnicity is so important here that it just can’t be ignored. At least if they dropped the ‘Winx’ part of the title, they’d just get called out for low diversity...but this is blatant whitewashing. I’m so tired of having to tell people that this is *not* representation and *no* it should not slide. The uproar over the failure to keep these vital aspects of Winx the same come from a place of hurt and exclusion.

[@lrose1310]

@@newyearseva Elisha might not be Asian at all. That rumor came from her old CV where for nationality she put: British, Austrian, Russian and Singaporean. I don't know if she maybe lived in Singapore at one point, but she's removed all but British now, so I suspect she doesn't actually hold any citizenship in Singapore, Russia or Austria. In her appearance section, she never put down East Asian.

[@lilithium3940]

and they didnt even handle the genocide arc well

[@jacobjb]

@@newyearseva It just ruins the shows accuracy to the source material for characters. Not only is it bad for representation but it just makes the characters and world less believable. :/

[@alexllenas4607]

@@newyearseva It's like the "hand me down" characters the media use for representation but in reverse, instead of making all the white characters minorities they take great characters and make them white.

[@valentinacarta5619]

I just had a revelation about WHY Flora was left out! So Flora as a character is very soft, kind, she is basically a pacifist, she is the epitome of femininity. That's her thing! And she really has that nurturing mother nature kinda vibe. (which as a nature fairy is totally called for) Now you might say, that the others were feminin and kind too in the original, but Stella was also a queen bee, kinda vain sometimes, Musa a tomboy, Aisha stubborn, and so on and so forth, so basically what happened? They took out all the softness and femininity from the characters...or the whole show to be more exact... So what do you do with a character whos personality is all that? If they just ereased the tropes they ereased from the others there would be no Flora whatsoever... Her personality is farther form their "edgy" concept than a dying snail in America is from climbing the Mount Everest! I hate this so much... Rant Over.

[@valentinacarta5619]

@Will N Well that doesn't surprise me, she was my favourite too next to Musa. Yes being drama free is no good anymore, having supportive friends is no good either anymore... All of them just became insufferable... I remember, when i was a kid, i wanted to be like them, (i loved them into my teenage years too) but with this series i hope to god no one takes them as examples...

[@valentinacarta5619]

@Will N Well each to their own :D I don't really count Roxy as part of the Winx, mostly because after season 4 she was barely seen or mentioned... Though i loved all of them, I too still have levels of preference I guess :D Also my all time favourite specialist was Helia (I mean just look at his long hair 😍)

[@erickamunoz9497]

So yes but the actual reason why is because they got a bunch of backlash because she was not an ethnic Hispanic to be specific and like yeah they gave her a minority but the thing is that they took out her minority to give her a different minority and didn’t even do it right and work out that they could make her both so everybody was pissed so they changed her from Flora to Tara and made her like a far away cousin or something like that which still doesn’t make sense because Tara should still be Hispanic

[@gothboithick]

@@erickamunoz9497 in ethnicity yeah she’d still be hispanic but if her aunt or uncle banged a white person the kid could look white, it happens

[@Mostie-ev7oh]

That theory makes so much sense. I remember reading an article from the guardian involving one of the head writer's of the show working on the Vampire diaries and some other grim dark teen crap.

[@godsstrongestmagicalgirl5217]

“There is no teeny bunny...but there is GENOCIDE”

[@PowerSpirit50]

There is a bit of genocide in the original, as a treat.

[@MysticDivinerLJ]

I laughed when I shouldn’t have 😭. Hell is Hot!

[@Samladdy]

I want this on my tombstone for some reason

[@godsstrongestmagicalgirl5217]

@@Samladdy LMAO

[@Techno-moon]

The fact that Queen Luna was actually nice to Stella, and their realationship was like yaaaay makes this even worse to experience

[@nessyness5447]

What do you mean that divorced parents can be good parents and have a good relationship with their daughter ?? 🙄

[@Techno-moon]

@@nessyness5447 I mean that in the original their relationship was good and that Queen Luna was not mean to Stella

[@nessyness5447]

@@Techno-moon i know, but you know, they can't show that because that would be showing a divorced mother having a healthy relationship with her daughter and being a good mother and apparently netflix can't allow that

[@Techno-moon]

@@nessyness5447 oh you're being ironic, god am I dumb

[@NAME-yg8sl]

@@nessyness5447 someone at netflix is still sour about their parents divorce....

[@ninisdesk]

I didn’t expect them to be wearing crop tops or anything, but like come on the stylist screwed up.

[@unknown_k55]

The outfits are UGLY, I mean like REALLY UGLY. The fact that Bloom it's just a red blob it's killing me (when in the og she wore mostly blue, bc that helped her stand out from all the fire themed fairy business), the most stylish one (Stella) wears awful jackets that doesn't follow her body shape or complement it at all, Terra's clothes are boring, not entirely bad, but very boring when they had the opportunity to make her look stunning, and don't get me started with Musa and Aisha, those two just... Wow. Aisha's got the style, her hair looks really cool and she had the opportunity of wearing really street like, baggy but cute clothes, since she is an athlete and her clothes I think were the least sexualized of the og, and even fit well in today's fashion sense, but no. Give the athlete girl a really long skirt, she'll for sure make some cool shit with it. (Having her use their swimming team uniform it's fine with me, but just don't make the uniform ugly 😩) and Musa... Musa is just another level of bad fashion. Neither she looks like and introvert, nor she looks cool as the og Musa, and that bubble like purple jacket, with those shorts are driving me crazy

[@erickamunoz9497]

Actually the stylus is usually a stylus that works with older people like middle-aged women even if they didn’t wanna sexualism this crap sucks the dressing just sucks teenager just wouldn’t wear like stuff like that even if they didn’t wanna over sexualized them

[@eddyalienstudio7227]

Oh boy, can't wait for American Dragon: Jake Long Saga where he has to go throw college whilst dealing with his thoughts and questioning his sexuality... oh and something about... killing magical creatures

[@theflickchick9850]

Don’t you dare- please- I’m begging you-

[@HelloNatari]

OMFG PLEASEE

[@Tino7100]

Jake Long? Nah mis me with an authentic asian cast, more like his cousin Jonathan Lewis

[@jacksim5759]

American American: Jake Johnston. forreal tho like i'd love seeing jake long questioning his sexuality, that can be interesting if it isnt dark, and boring and everyone hates each other for no reason

[@powerist209]

I think Marvel Young Avengers comic does it, and people love them. Especially Teddy and Wiccan.

[@GenerationWest]

I've seen Winx, like a good chunk of it, was very popular in my channel back when covered it, and I've seen Teen Wolf, and loved it... Turns out, these things don't mix, yet they KEEP ON DOING IT! Like, this ain't really for the fans, it won a audience, so the trend will continue, either in The CW, make anything a edgy teen drama, or Netflix/streaming, where they can swear, do drugs, bang and show T & A, but the not the fantasy part, cause money. What's next, W.I.T.C.H.?, Totally Spies? Sailor Moon?... R rated Scooby Doo?! I hope to God no one listens to me, I can't be responsible for this.

[@Alias_Anybody]

Good looking Fantasy costs money, Game of Thrones money, that's why they'll make it into teen drama and if you actually want to see something more you better go back to animation as fast as you can.

[@crow-t-robot]

Don't say W.I.T.C.H. 😭 They'd make it just as bad as this I bet.

[@thanatoast]

Totally Spies but it's a hardcore political drama.

[@s.t.a.pstudios4231]

I haven' t really finished Winx. I have only seen a good chunk as well. I still want to see more of the magical fantasy aspect in this show. I loved Bloom's transformation btw

[@harlannguyen4048]

"What's next, W.I.T.C.H.?, Totally Spies? Sailor Moon?... R rated Scooby Doo?!" Well, there is the comic book "Scooby Doo Apocalypse." TBF, I didn't read it, so I don't know if is actually dark or not.

[@Flynn217something]

The people writing this show clearly have no actual friends because they clearly lack an even basic grasp of the concept.

[@alicelostinwonderland7266]

I follow this one actor on Instagram who used to go out for teen dramas and apparently he got turned off from it because they think the real teen experience is hard cocaine and constant sex and violence and nobody trust anybody. Like the old men making these shows know nothing about actual humans.

[@cryforhelp7270]

@@alicelostinwonderland7266 Link it? I wanna check that out

[@Samm815]

@@alicelostinwonderland7266 Well that Old Man probably grew up in LA.

[@jafetsandovalurbina235]

apparently, some audition tape leaks and a imb page show that she was supposed to be Flora, so is very likely that they were aware of the possible backlash so they changed the name to Terra... instead of casting a latina actress.

[@Nocturne22]

That line they threw in about Flora being a cousin was another attempt at damage control.

[@Dred0n]

@@Nocturne22 exactly but it really didn't come in what she was talking but we all know she audition for flora because nobody in the cartoon doesn't name terra so therefore they just change her name so they can avoid backlash I'm glad people didn't fall for it.

[@cryforhelp7270]

@@Dred0n A lot of people did end up falling for it sadly. Whenever I see people bring up Fate or Terra, they like to say Terra is Floras cousin because... of course that fixes everything, and totally wasn't just damage control!

[@Dred0n]

@@cryforhelp7270 exactly fate knew what they were doing with terra they even made a plus size person got the role. You see how they planned it they made her plus size not just because of body positivity but because they thought that we wouldn't notice what they did and that we would praise them for adding more body positivity to the show.

[@piagebot2943]

I feel like this goes hand in hand with how women aren’t allowed to like girly things, and that you can’t be powerful and confident if you’re too feminine

[@notgray88]

Piage Fabez I feel like this whole thing started with Hunger Games. Hollywood saw Katniss Everdeen and said "Alright make every female protagonist edgy and hardcore"

[@samreddig8819]

Which is a shame. Characters get boring if they lack variety. Mistborn does this right, as the main character (vin) has a very clear soft side for those she loves but can still kick ridiculous amounts of ass when she needs to. And in the sequel series marasi (a side character) wants to be a constable in the city because she LIKES the fancy dresses and parties. She still wants to make a difference, but she doesn't move out to the roughs (basically the wild west) to do so.

[@saisameer8771]

Thing is if you make girly shows feminists are gonna complain it's too girly. Make it dark and edgy and the other type of feminists are gonna complain that it's not girly enough. Reality is, they just pander to what they think is gonna work for their target audience. People, atleast in the west have this weird idea that teens are all into dark and edgy shit, which is a very black and white view of the world. I mean, as a teenager, I was very much into dragon ball z. It was dark and gritty, but fun and colorful at the same time. The characters weren't very complex or anything but they were fun and likeable, and characters like Vegeta and Picolo had some really wholesome character arcs.

[@ExtremeMadnessX]

@@saisameer8771 They easily could make female characters tomboys, athletic, feminine and everything between. All body types and all sexual orientations. It shouldn't be that hard.Real feminists support that.

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Popularity of this shows how unknown to Quality many people are. They just dont know whats good and whats really, really bad. This show even constantly talked about ass-fucking? Really? Wow. WTF. Real disgusting thing to make a Running Gag.

[@TheRandist]

The one question that I kept asking this whole time was “why even bother?” Why bother making a live-action Winx if all you’re gonna do is making a bland, moody, generic urban fantasy like any other with the only relation to the source material being names and terminology.

[@TheRandist]

Literally. Take away the names, change ‘fairy’ to ‘witch’ or ‘sorceress’ or something edgy like ‘hexborn’ and you’re pretty much done.

[@CoolMagmar]

My only guess is that they are trying to do their own Vampire Diaries

[@FenzerManiac]

Brand recognition! Thats all it comes down to babyyyyyyy!!!

[@stonersiren]

thats what i kept saying when they made the charmed reboot!! why use the original name and the copy other shows that arent even related to it?

[@couragew6260]

“We’ve got to have MONEY”

[@Skippyxlxlxl]

When is the edgy veggietales reboot coming out.

[@dangerislander]

Lmaoooo

[@Squirrelanditsnutz]

“Thanks to Jesus dying for our sins, we can purposely overdose on this heroine without going to hell. Even though that’s exactly where we belong.”

[@trooper3-REAL-]

Right after the gritty equestria girls live action series where magic is rebranded as hard drugs

[@WafflesX3XD]

would it be annoying orange adjacent in its structure????or bc it’s a religious show would we get like a passion of the christ veggietales adaption ooft

[@Skippyxlxlxl]

@@WafflesX3XD I am pretty sure it will be the passion but with perishable vegetables

[@erindunn6689]

So, let me get this straight; the Dark Crystal doesn’t get a second season but THIS does? Kill me.

[@MrJoeMaximus]

😭

[@dragonmaster613]

IKR

[@roxasXnamine04]

I was about to say the same thing! I want a 2nd season of Dark Crystal not this!

[@denkerbosu3551]

This already got a 2nd season? This shit is getting unironic views???

[@Alpha.Phenix]

So, let me get this straight; No Game No Life doesn't get a second season, but THIS does? End me.

[@phuongtamjones-nguyen3658]

Remember how Stella was originally the fairy of the sun AND the moon and somehow only was the fairy of the "shining sun"? Sounds like this could've been a dark plot line made here

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Popularity of this shows how unknown to Quality many people are. They just dont know whats good and whats really, really bad. This show even constantly talked about ass-fucking? Really? Wow. WTF. Real disgusting thing to make a Running Gag. Wow.

[@thatsheeeep]

This show was clearly written by a mid thirty man that’s trying really hard to be relatable to “young adults”

[@blacklikethesun]

Overweight woman*

[@nefarious_seraph13]

BlackliketheSun no it’s literally a middle aged man

[@Sunro7]

A thirty year old would be enough to have been a kid when the show was running and probably would have made a better homage to the series.

[@stickysocks6369]

@@blacklikethesun lemme call you out: both the writer and the director are white men, one of them being in his 50's (the other's age is unknown). Now... Why did you feel the need to lie? And add that overweight part? Like... Last time I checked being bad at your job isn't an overweight only trait. Or female only for what matters.

[@stickysocks6369]

@Winifred Eghrudje yeah the writer... Can I assume the vampire diaries was as bad ?

[@ieshareath1191]

Aiesha didn’t deserve to be shafted as the TOKEN BEST FRIEND- when literally SEASON 2 WAS MOSTLY ABOUT HER!! 🗣🗣🗣🗣

[@iqqyhassan2339]

And season 5 should have been about her

[@ieshareath1191]

@@iqqyhassan2339 HONESTLY!

[@JasminMiettunen]

Maybe they will do the same thing? This season was about Bloom, maybe next season will be about someone else?

[@ieshareath1191]

@@JasminMiettunen Nah- doubt it- Aiesha was legit a princess; she went BLIND for her world at one point- the way things are going they aren’t going to do her character any justice

[@twinkharrylwt226]

@@JasminMiettunen she wasn’t even in the OG season one.. still can’t handle this name tho.. i will always know her as laila

[@ck-1649]

Let's see: -They gave Techna the axe - Flora got replaced by someone no one cares about - Stella acts like a bitch (and not the funny kind, like the original. I still laugh at the time she threw a sax at Musa and then stuck her tongue out) - 99 percent of the cast is white - The Winx Club doesnt feel like "The Winx Club - And worst of all....THEY GOT RID OF KIKO!

[@xylypotatohead3947]

@redloiyu654jay The genocide already was there tbh. The three ancient witches destroyed Domino completely If that is no genocide I don't know what is.

[@ck-1649]

@@xylypotatohead3947 yep, that's definitely genocide

[@JamCat11]

Tecna just backed away

[@sinj1nn00bz]

don't forget how they got rid of the trix! (icy, darcy and stormy) who were literally the main antagonists in the cartoon.

[@kimberleywilliams7802]

Aisha is the token black friend i.e Blooms slave.

[@gamesarelegends3473]

Tell me why a single Zombie can kill a whole squad of super trained for years specialists but not 5 kids -.- that was the scene I hated the most

[@NAME-yg8sl]

_PLOT_

[@slevinchannel7589]

...This show even constantly talked about ass-fucking? Really? Wow. WTF. Real disgusting thing to make a Running Gag. Wow.

[@SissypheanCatboy]

@@slevinchannel7589 Why do you feel the need to comment this everywhere. get over yourself lmao.

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@SissypheanCatboy You just ended a comment with Lmao. I leave you lying in that shame now, ok? That shall be your Fate. And i just leave. Bye.

[@Yami-mugoni613]

That’s happens in a ton media with kids as a lead

[@2ndkeeper]

The original's series fairy outfits in their first season are deemed "skimpy" and "too sparkly" but we have 7 other seasons of Winx and 2 seasons of a spinoff for them to pick transformation inspiration from...including Bloomix, which makes the characters look like warrior fairies (and covers all the body skin so we don't have objection on that front). Heck, Bloomix comes from Bloom sharing the dragon flame so the other girls could transform, which would actually work in this universe. See, we can have a reason in the story so the show doesn't blow its budget all at once on having to give all fairies their wings, and get a kickass fairy outfit.

[@JasminMiettunen]

I like Tynix better because while covering them up for TV, it keeps their colors which makes me happy :) Can’t remember where that one came from, though

[@ember9361]

Cuties is ok on netflix but dont you dare show a 25 year old's stomach on an edgy show, thats just too skimpy

[@NAME-yg8sl]

Sirenex is basically just a jumper they could try and recreate that

[@JasminMiettunen]

Will N oh, I bow down to your superior Winx knowledge! I didn’t consider their overall color palette, just their transformations, but Tynix wouldn’t make sense yet in the show. They could’ve taken the designs and shifted the colors closer to the original transformations, though. Also, I hated that they started putting Bloom in pink. Not to even mention the pink school uniforms if season six. How do you feel about the different seasons? I prefer the first three precisely because they slowly started to look more generic, Musa grows long hair, Musa and Tecna start wearing more skirts, all the frilly transformations, and the damn uniforms. Maybe there was a plot reason I just missed for all of that, but just my thoughts :)

[@lack_of_reality]

It sucks that Icy, Stormy, and Darcy weren’t given live-action counterparts. I’m always a fan of the sexy villainesses 😅

[@nessyness5447]

Think about as they were spared from this shit ...like techna and flora

[@emmawilliams8878]

@@nessyness5447 and Roxy

[@marocat4749]

Especially darcy, she would be such an asset as cool goth librarian girl.

[@thecolourfulpill]

They could've just make them The Wierd Sisters from Sabrina, I legit don't get it.

[@nessyness5447]

@@thecolourfulpill money. Three actresses cost more than one

[@GoldenRose116]

What they did with Stella is a crime, she was my hero growing up

[@genericname2747]

Haha! You FOOL. Having heroes is too optimistic. There is only edginess and anger here

[@extratao50]

She literally is my favorite ._.

[@kawaiipanda4013]

I didn’t like her growing up but as of rewatching it a few days she’s perfection

[@mc3183]

According to Netflix, feminine, blonde, rich, blonde girl = automatically equals shallow mean girl?!?!

[@katarinababic9197]

And what about Stella dating Sky and being in a love triangle with Bloom? That is one of the biggest crimes they made.

[@b.lazing9923]

"Meet Bloom, she's 16" and she has been 16 for the last 10 years!

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Popularity of this shows how unknown to Quality many people are. They dont know whats good and whats really, really bad. This show even constantly talked about ass-fucking? Really? Wow. WTF. Real disgusting thing to make a Running Gag. Wow.

[@vectorenigma7098]

Winx Club was one of the few shows that actually had their characters age up all until season 4, from then they for some reason decided to de-age them

[@williamhumes7332]

@@vectorenigma7098 Blame it on Nickelodeon. It's their fault for not allowing them to grow up.

[@zl2240]

I remember in the show she mentioned that she was born in 2004, and as a 2002 baby who watched her being 16 when I was 7, that made me viscerally cringe.

[@livafa846]

Best quote: "That's like flashing a gun!" "How very American of you."

[@DezmondtheRingmaster]

its like the creators of this adaptation were given the source material for reference then throw all of it in the trash then let one of the producer's high school edgy kid write the script

[@Nocturne22]

No, the middle-aged producer wrote the edgy teen shit based on what he thinks edgy teens are like: smoking pot! Love triangles! Being obsessed with partying when you're like 16! How do you do, fellow kids?

[@Alias_Anybody]

I'm pretty sure that at least part of the reason is that teen drama is the cheapest thing you can make in life action. Try to make anything involving action and or magic look consistently good and you'll need a Game of Thrones budget very quickly. As Castlevania has shown, if you want to improve the visuals it's ironically better to animate it at this point.

[@Junodragon6780]

@@Alias_Anybody I would LOVE to see an anime version of this, at least they would get it right.🙃

[@AlexTenThousand]

We, as the audience, should break this cycle. Animation should stop trying to look for validation in live-action adaptations, be they feature-length films or a TV series or whatever you can think of - animation is its own medium that can stand on its own two legs and can do stuff you can't even dream of in live-action TV or cinema.

[@xylypotatohead3947]

Star Trecks lower decks is proof of that. Check it out it's new and animated

[@Lugbzurg]

Castlevania did a much better job of what Winx Saga is desperately trying to do, and it's an animated Netflix series.

[@adaabeja2061]

EXACTLY!!!

[@peppermint1968]

Why does netflix assume that gen z likes dark twisted themes? Thats already our mental state we want something diffrent give us Color, Serotonin and Aesthetic 😂

[@firewolfandrewb]

No, you'll consume the angst and suffering so that you're nice and desensitized when those in power actually destroy the world.

[@Oliviagarry69420]

There’s a reason my generation likes stuff like precure! It’s cute and wholesale!!!

[@badulgumm5458]

@@Oliviagarry69420 and it handle dark themes Waaay better than Fate the Winx ever will

[@alyssasowell774]

"That's like flashing a gun" "How very american of you" That was smooth and I fucking choked

[@shineexokpop6824]

The shade to Americans in this show.. loved it!

[@LAZY-RUBY]

This is what we get for letting internet nerds call anyone anywhere having fun "cringe"; a culture so deep into ironic detachment that anything with a splash of color or whimsy is considered cringy, and even people who think it isn't still say it is to avoid embarrassment.

[@slevinchannel7589]

Yes. Watching bad stuff is a Meme now. The Popularity of this shows how unknown to Quality many people are. They just dont know whats good and whats really, really bad. This show even constantly talked about ass-fucking? Really? Wow. WTF. Real disgusting thing to make a Running Gag. Wow.

[@cdogthehedgehog6923]

@@slevinchannel7589 You kink shaming bruh? Don't kink shame bruh.

[@thedestroyasystem]

@@cdogthehedgehog6923 I don’t think that’s what they were doing. More along the lines of saying sex and shit jokes are low effort, low hanging fruit, that gets boring and repetitive veeeery quickly. Totally agree with the original comment, by the way. “Cringe” culture is some of the most toxic stuff I’ve seen on the internet.

[@cdogthehedgehog6923]

@@thedestroyasystem They were definitely bitching about butt stuff. And I somewhat agree. Everything is cringe now to some people and that's just silly. But it seems like cringe is somewhat changing meaning again. More people are using it as self deprecating rather than as a critique.

[@darkpinkgirl6684]

i mean i hate redditors too, but this is a gross over-generalization (people who are ""nerds"" and ""geeks"" on the internet enjoy colours and shit) and has nothing to do with this show being edgy. the real villain is the out-of-touch person that made this and thinks that teenagers are only interested in edgy shows

[@ivanvalentin7713]

I think calling them teen dramas is a misnomer. They are indeed remaking teen dramas, but as adult dramas. The edge is supposed to make it more appealing to the fans of the original, who are now....old

[@dangerislander]

@@user-gf5lq2pe3q bruh winx club been going since 2005 lmao

[@naquingreen1603]

@Ivan Valentin The only problem is Alter fans know immature writing when they see it and fate a Winx Saga is immature writing that's trying to masquerade itself as adult writing when it's really immature writing meant to appeal to edgy young adults who do nothing but whine and complain about how horrible life is Nothing about fate a Winx Saga is adult or mature

[@ivanvalentin7713]

@@user-gf5lq2pe3q Sorry to say, the remake wasn't for you XD

[@naquingreen1603]

@Ivan Valentin Fate from what I have seen of it is not a mature or adult show it is a teen drama a very immature teen drama no different from Riverdale the characters are unlikable unsympathetic and annoying the villains are terrible the adults are all badly written and I know fans have complained about transformations but honestly I have watched the show right near the end of the first season and the transformation for bloom was awful you seriously call those wings The biggest problem with fate a Winx Club Saga is its main character is so unlikeable so obnoxious and so unsympathetic that the audience just want her to go away

[@ivanvalentin7713]

@@naquingreen1603 I mean, have you met people between 20 and 30? Cuz I'm getting ready to leave that group and I promise, they(we?) are about as mature as this show hahahaha. Jokes aside, it's not immature writing, not that I think that's the word you meant to use. It's just edgy writing, like what teen me would have thought an adult drama should be. I don't everyone will hate this series, if you don't know the original series it probably is fairly entertaining as a school romance with magic thing. I've watched worse anime to completion, and that's all it takes most of the time. As long as people are engaged enough to watch to the end, they good. And after you sink all that time, investment bias kicks in and now you gotta watch season 2 to see if they fix it or continue the dumpster fire

[@katyesyes]

I know it's not as good as "I'm weird I'm a weirdo" from riverdale, but sky's I'm fcking broken speech is my new "I'm a weirdo"

[@pinkghost2515]

It came off as so edgy and cringy tbh Idk I dislike stuff like that it's just so odd you can tell its trying to relate to the angsty teen girls lol

[@truenrc9097]

BAHAHHA I CRINGED SO HARD WHEN HE SAID THAT LIKE,,, WAS THAT NEEDED??? WAS THAT REALLY NEEDED???

[@zl2240]

the cringe was so real it became global warming

[@diegopansini3152]

What I'm getting from this is that this is like Titans. They say they're a group, a family, per say, but never act like it because they can't stand each other and are the absolute worst

[@shanzehimran9324]

isn't that a good thing? it's to create conflict. imagine being best friends from the beginning. where's the challenge and the tension? it's like even in titans, they need to OVERCOME their differences. also in titans they specify that they don't actually have anything in common. they aren't really anything alone and they are ONLY significant when they're a team. and of course since it's only season 2, they're not going to be a perfect team anytime soon...being absolutely divided at their worst would mean that they would be completely in sync at their best. if they all were perfect right from the beginning then what's the point of the story...

[@diegopansini3152]

​@@shanzehimran9324 I get you, but to pull it off, they need to feel like somewhat of a team in the first place. Titans never felt like a team. They split up every time before they start feeling like one, but the Titans are never actually formed, except by the very end of season 2, which has too many characters to handle at that point. They had to focus more on the characters they started with first to form a at least somewhat of a family, so each character could get more character development as a team, then add more characters later on. But they skipped right to adding more and more characters. They're rushing the development, but dragging the plot at the same time. As a result, by the end of season 2, Raven's speech to the mind controlled Beast Boy felt like...nothing, because nothing that she said was backed by any experience we've seen before, and Deathstroke, the villain that was hyped to max, got whacked in the first 5-10 minutes of the finale in a poorly edited fight scene with too many cuts. I hope the third time is the charm and they hired new writers to handle it better, but since they seem to be hyping up Red Hood already and supposedly new characters, my hope is dim.

[@shanzehimran9324]

@@diegopansini3152 yes im hyped up about red hood for sure. I just rewatched season 1 and up until the end they had enough characters. yeah they did have way too many characters at the end and I also did not understand why the old titans had to come in...because it's about the new ones. they killed off garth and donna so maybe they're working towards clearing it up?? season 1 was going well till like everyone joined in. I guess the older Titans were Dick's character development. But I do stand by the fact that they had a lot of development as a team in season 1...the original four I mean. they seemed to genuinely care about each other, even if they are kinda dysfunctional. and jason todd had to be there okay. he had to.

[@diegopansini3152]

@@shanzehimran9324 Fair enough, I hope so. Yeah, I'm with you, Jason is definitely a highlight of the show. You know what disappointed me though? He didn't say "Light's out b***!" when he took down Doctor Light. Missed opportunity right there lol

[@shanzehimran9324]

@@diegopansini3152 oh my god. I didn't even think of that.

[@mdmPr0ductions]

Why do all the actors in these shows have to look like they’re in there 30s? They look like Moms than anything else

[@darewolf6844]

Better than subjecting real kids to the horrors of the film industry

[@TheMGMfan]

I think it's done because getting actual teen actors requires you to adhere to a bunch of child labor laws, so it's a lot easier to cast adults for the role instead. Don't know why they don't specifically cast young adults, which are probably much easier to pass off as teenagers because they only stopped being teens a few years ago at most (in fact, given how the age of majority in most countries is 18, they might still be teenagers, although I'm not sure if the child labor laws for acting extend that far or not), but at least it makes sense why they don't cast teens to play teens a lot of the time.

[@clowncage]

They're all in early 20s, oldest of the main cast is 25 I believe. I think their wardrobe contributes to how old they look tho. This isn't how teenagers dress.

[@OtakuUnderground92]

@@clowncage Either that or drugs

[@rockandrolldude22]

Thats kind of a truop in these shows

[@rexberkova7328]

Old Winx Club *was* dark. The contrast the Dark Pheonix created against the usual happy-go-lucky palette was absolutely terrifying. It wasn't always 'edgy', but when it dropped it dropped with the weight of a lead balloon. Remember Tecna's death? Who wasn't traumatized with that. And how they handled it? Beautiful. If the show is always dark, I don't see how any of this will have serious impact, especially since creating bond with these characters is going to be... Difficult. Also: RIP Skye's beautiful hair. Influence on gay people all around the world wasted.

[@TheMisterManGuy]

I actually miss the days when teen shows had seriousness and angst, but could still be fun and campy. Buffy had a great balance of goofy humor and teen melodrama. But shows like these just feel like all angst, all the time, and that gets pretty exhausting.

[@Homodemon]

Transforming Winx Club into a gritty depressing "down to earth" teen drama feels like the equivalent of old newgrounds animations where they just gave Mario a glock to gruesomely kill his enemies with and call it "the adult 18+ version" "Step aside kiddo, these aren't your silly glitter fairies anymore!" - Some Netflix Executive probably.

[@nessyness5447]

What is even the point of making fricking fairies down to earth? Why has everything need to be "realistic" ( mind you i was a lot more like the og winx with my friends than like the edgy trope here) , can't we just have fantasy anymore???

[@NightmanEX]

@@nessyness5447 gritty supernatural drama is much cheaper in the set production and costume budget. All you have to do is film in a dark alley/warehouse/school and everyone wears their winter cloths. And then add stock elemental CGI effects and call it a day.

[@nessyness5447]

@@NightmanEX but then, if you don't want to expend the money on a fairy show, don't do a fairy show Edit: and they dared to say they were making it more mature, like, i started to rewatch the cartoon and it legit has conversations and things that sound more mature than fate. It's not that childish for a cartoon, it only needed some polishing of the dialogue and better scene transitions ( because things happen too fast sometimes in cartoons). Like, i just saw one episode have con men harrassing bloom's mother and try to burn her shop for not wanting to sell and the man they send to do it ,almost dies burned in the fire.the conversations were all in concern and talking about cslling the police, but they had no evidence so better put an alarm system etc. But i guess that is not as mature as a love triangle or calling your mother a "basic bitch"

[@Helperishere]

I REAAAAALLY didn't want it to be angsty. I wanted my old show but with more serious topics. I really thought alot of the sex shit was extremely misplaced and needless. Most sex scenes are needless. Doesnt move the plot or show character growth or anything. Its annoying. Then you have this whole white washing and removing my favorite character from the show and ugh. Annoying.

[@DarkEcho32]

They shoehorn sex stuff in trying to be all "mature" and shit,but ironically it only shows how pathetically immature they are.Clearly they have no concept of time and place.

[@Helperishere]

@@DarkEcho32 Agreed 100%

[@Picking.a.name.is.hard1]

And the CHARACTERS Fr everytime Riven spoke I wanted to punch him in the face. This is basically an edgy REALLY BAD Wattpad fanfic, everyone of OOC.

[@NegativeLegend]

sup nerd

[@EVER_PRINCE]

Why the hell was this comment come of as cute as fuck lmao

[@Skippyxlxlxl]

Ok

[@KingNexusMOCs]

What an unexpected surprise!

[@kingxxlibra]

😍☝🏼

[@poldipstickman6790]

Begone chad

[@Witches_are_Real]

They showed that bloom has wings, but they didn't show her fly. This feels like such a low-budget version. And where is Tecna!!!!! Tecna was a "proof" that even technology can be magic. By removing everything related to super-advanced technology, they have made this a low-budget rendition.

[@zl2240]

im guessing they wanted to avoid the y2k/technological aspect of the show (hover bikes, hovering buses, etc) and techna was basically the epitome of that

[@Witches_are_Real]

@@zl2240 She is still my favourite. She ate cereals flavoured like homework. In the Netflix version, the specialists ride SUVs.🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Skylazk]

"how unusual it is for humans to be born in the human world" had me dying! What a sweet mistake

[@HelloNatari]

OMG that's soo unusual and SOOO RARE. Ugh.. Like omG-

[@firebug_05l61]

This has the same energy as "people die when they are killed"

[@mechajay3358]

They straight up massacred these girls in this Netflix show. I just sick of the trend of edgy teen drama shows.

[@Haedox]

THE BEST TUBER OF YOU RETURNS YET AGAIN WITH A BANGER

[@Skippyxlxlxl]

I mean Billiam did explain why the Netflix show is bad

[@Haedox]

@@Skippyxlxlxl but he did it with such pizzazz

[@HeavenlyH3R0]

Mmmmm pizzas

[@thewholecircus]

And such a cute sweater

[@iupfanwilliams2097]

Hey dox it's haedox

[@albaformiga7932]

This Fate makes me sad, the old Winx was so engaging and quite wholesome

[@aceinspaces]

Bloom just 100% believes whatever the last thing she was told. Headmistress says genocide bad? Sure! Lady you broke out of prison says genocide good? Sure! Let's immediately act on this information

[@SplashCity46]

6:55 “Bloom learns how unusual it is for humans to be born in the human world meaning…” Um…what? 😂

[@Kittenfox_55]

I just caught that too

[@abediaz3]

He definitely meant fairies 😂😂

[@epsilon3569]

This is everything I hate about Sabrina and Riverdale, tbh.

[@ctusiard9755]

The first season of Sabrina was good, a lot of the edge came from the creepy paranormal stuff. S2 is like fine, it goes down quickly after that.

[@KillJoy_Since2017]

Sabrina is way better than riverdale though

[@orinanime]

At least Sabrina had an actual dark and edgy comic book source material reboot to be based on. Riverdale has no excuse.

[@JuanGomez-ke5py]

@@ctusiard9755 2014 Sabrina the Teenage Witch is way better

[@shanzehimran9324]

the og winx club was pretty dark, so at least it makes sense that Fate is too. Archie comics were literally just comedy.

[@dchen8874]

maybe the Fate transformation can be called "Gloomix"

[@raccoonchild]

I feel like I just read a spoiler of Pokémon Gen 9.

[@averageanimefan519]

Lol that was the power up the Trix had in season 2. So that would be extra funny.

[@JamCat11]

The trix had that in s2 lel

[@BattleManiac7]

I find it weird they dropped the light hearted parts of the franchise entirely, it really seems like they didn't want want do a fantasy show at all. You can have both serious scenes and light hearted stuff if done well, Full Metal Alchemist comes to mind. That show has a lot of dark scenes, but plenty of light hearted stuff too. Also I was blown away with the crap special effects. They wanted a darker fantasy setting, but couldn't be bothered to have some better magic effects for fights and deaths? It seems like there was absolutely no effort put in.

[@superedmundo1239]

Winx itself is a pretty good mix between dark and light stuff. They tackle some pretty dark themes on the original show, people don't give it enough credit.

[@BattleManiac7]

@@superedmundo1239 Seema that way going by this adaptations treatment of it. Live action adaptations of animated shows (Death Note, Avatar, and this for example) seems to be mostly cash grabs or done by people who don't care about or understand the source. It's a shame. Makes me wonder if instead of live action adaptations, maybe redoing older shows but with modern animation techniques and budget (like videogame remasters and remakes) may be a better idea. Might be cheaper too if they have good quality voice performances saved somewhere.

[@wooshmeifugay8719]

"Everyone hates themselves they hate each other they're annoyed when they're together but they're always together so they're always annoyed" ...so evangelion

[@elijahwatson3474]

Shinji, Asuka, and Rei had mothers(pun non intended) train wreck of mental health problems. Through it have been shown in other media there were chances they could have been better friends in better lives.

[@pepperedash4424]

At least Evangelion made the feelings the had for each other natural and not tacked on and out of nowhere like Fate of the Winx Saga.

[@Alias_Anybody]

But weren't they basically forced to spend time together? On the other hand, in an even medium sized school you can, well, avoid people you don't like.

[@harlannguyen4048]

@@elijahwatson3474 You mean like in basically every SRW game they appear in?

[@masterofthelag8414]

@@harlannguyen4048 Yeah in those it became clear basically immediately that they could easily have worked out their differences, improved their mental states and become friends, especially if like in V you take them away from Nerv and give them some actual competent support and help, as opposed to an organisation that half the time is actively trying to sabotage their efforts.

[@iluv_nana]

Children's shows: *exist* Major brands: Yeah, could you put some live action on that?

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Popularity of this shows how unknown to Quality many people are. They just dont know whats good and whats really, really bad.

[@haweka9007]

randomly just realized that bloom a supposed "most powerful" fairy couldnt cross the barrier without stellas ring but a random shepherd human coud????

[@thomasleytham2351]

Know she couldn't make a portal home without the ring... all of them cross the barrier multiple times

[@haweka9007]

@@thomasleytham2351 rightttt oh yh I forgot

[@rkmath4905]

I love Winx Club, that show was my childhood, but one thing that makes me mad about Fate is this: the original show had the core story beats to be easily made into a mature show. All they had to do was emphasize the more mature moments of the story and it would of been a perfectly good mature show!! But no, they had to go and re-write the entire series with very poor ripped-off plots.

[@daisyelizabeth5462]

flora and stella literally died to get their enchantix. i mean the whole of season 2 with darkar was uber dark (and in my opinion season 2 is the darkest season of winx) there are dark/mature moments, all they had to do was highlight those moments. they didn’t have to make it the whole show, winx club had such a nice balance of darker themes and colourful fun. im gonna go watch winx club 😔

[@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme]

​@@daisyelizabeth5462 clone wars says hi

[@upsetstudios1819]

After rewatching 3 seasons of the original show, my take is this: it's already a teen show! I turn 20 in a month, and I still found so much to relate to. You have the genuine friendship, the believable relationship drama that's not just because of miscommunication, sexual harrasment, the uselessness of people in power / teachers, depictions of sorrow, anger and aspirations. Riven literally said that Bloom 'hangs out with lots of guys' to anger Sky in the first season. And yeah, the format of moaning and screaming at everything was a bit jarring. And yeah, some plotlines were really silly. And yeah, I did skip a few transformation scenes. I was bullied for liking this show at age 10, because my classmates meant it was 'too childish'. I lived in a poorer neighbourhood where kids grew up way too fast, and didn't have time for bright colors and handsome male heroes. But thinking back, I wish I didn't let them get to me. I wish I could have loved this show for longer. Because The Winx Club is an amazing show and it made me gay

[@Pollicina_db]

Wow, where I live every single girl watched the show. We would fight over who's going to play as Bloom😂 It's sad when kids have to grow up too early. You're never to old to enjoy joyfull and optimistic cartoons like this, it makes us fell warm and cuddly.

[@makkeonmias]

I'm a 30 year old man and I love the original Winx Club! and no it wasn't just the cute girls that got me into it, the storylines, bad guys, locations, relationships, transformations and everything was great about the OG Winx Club that I still love to this day... but this reboot... how disappointing... yeah the og one was a bit silly at times yes, but it had some really dark points too, like mind controlled dark Bloom, Aisha/Layla's sudden blindness and lets not forget how the Trix straight up threw Bloom's parents into a blackhole in season 1... and yes I would love to be a fairy, being a fairy would have been a much better life, then this shitty one we normies have...

[@marion.saturn]

The show is still up. It's better to watch the original with it's 8+ seasons

[@truenrc9097]

IM SORRY BUT THE LAST LINE “and it made me gay” IS SUCH A MOOD

[@JamCat11]

Exactly like . Why could fate not be colourful and dark. HAVE WE NOT BEEN ASKING IGINIO FOR OVER 5 YEARS FOR WINX TO BE COLOURFUL AND DARK AND NOT CHILDISH AN EDGY. IS IS SOOOOO HARD TO MAKE A DECENT SHOW IGINIO!!!!!!!!?!?!

[@wonrai99]

It’s Beatrix. Not belatrix. As in “be a trix” the trix were the 3 witches.

[@oswin1234]

To be fair, I spent a week calling her Bellatrix as well. No idea why I couldn't just read the name

[@casper6405]

In the Netherlands our queens name was Beatrix

[@tuffy135ify]

@@oswin1234 because that's the name of the crazy witch lady from Harry Potter?

[@oswin1234]

@@tuffy135ify oh absolutely the reason. Only Bellatrix that a large amount of the English speaking world would be aware of

[@nehanair8475]

@@oswin1234 True - the only Beatrix I can think of is Beatrix Potter who wrote those old Peter Rabbit kids’ books

[@chrishall5570]

Something that I find strange about teen drama's is that almost across the board all of the characters are horrible to each other for no reason and are in general just bad people. Its gotten to the point that any time I watch these types of shows I just end up rooting for the evil group to win since they're at least likable.

[@mariawhite7337]

What is even worse is that it is fairly obvious that absolutely none of the writers had friends. Cause even me who had like two friends, knows that if you are mean to others they are not going to like you. They are not going to be your friend. And most of all they will not like you back. Thankfully I think because of the major drop in netflix I doubt this will get a season 2. And also I would also doubt this is 'the most watched netflix' show. Netflix will not EVER show their metrics of views.

[@abyssGazerTV]

Oh God, oh fuck. This show is like a parody of itself.

[@aiaunlimited2672]

as i quote, Oh cAzzo mErDa.

[@s.t.a.pstudios4231]

Why tf is this show spitting on the fans bro.

[@dcbandit]

Except parodies are fun and funny, not this grim and edgy.

[@abyssGazerTV]

@@dcbandit It’s unintentionally hilarious.

[@s.t.a.pstudios4231]

@@abyssGazerTV This show is parodically funny, but crazy good. Its a parody on itself. Also Riven's voice is ass I hate it.

[@walterobrien8045]

The new He-Man is gonna be all about the genocide Prince Adams family committed a billion years ago. Cringer is Skeletor’s (Except he’s not called Skeletor he’s called The Fallen or some shit) mole on the team. They all hate each other and there isn’t a single hint at the existence of a sword of power or a transformation until the last episode of the season. Orko has a meth addiction.

[@TheBrotherGrim]

End of series post credit scene reveals Hordak was Orko's meth supplier all along, so they can set up another She-Ra reboot, since the first was so well received.

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

The Fallen is literally what they called the Transformers equivalent of the pop culture concept of Judas. A Netflix cringefest He-Man would probably go with something even more eye-rolling like The Dark Lord or Skull King or whatever other Sonic villain OC the writer wants to shoehorn into the role.

[@ligerdrag20]

Why does this actually sound true.

[@Plaugue1122]

Appearntly it's being written by the guy who did Castlevania and animated so we may get something great hopefully

[@dirckthedork-knight1201]

@@Plaugue1122 No we wont

[@ShouVertica]

I hate everyone in the show. That's an accomplishment in and of itself.

[@deadeyequality]

Same except Aisha, she’s the only one I can stand tbh. At this point I just want it to be a show about her 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@ATAT-mb4lu]

Same here, I only like Aisha and Farah

[@rumle5]

Empathy is probably the meanest superpower anyone could be granted, especially if you can't turn it off

[@samanthaw3845]

“His Cloud Strife hair” Excuse you, sir, please don’t slander Cloud by dragging him into this mess of a Netflix series 😂

[@ArtTheGaleWind]

this whole show gives me hard "where's that damn FOURTH chaos emerald" vibes

[@DudeReelTalk]

“Olympic white washing” hot damn I love how creative you can be 😂

[@rockandrolldude22]

At least they made her fat to make up diversity.

[@DudeReelTalk]

@@rockandrolldude22yeah, you’re right. If only all latino and Latino Americans weren’t either skinny or buff.

[@rockandrolldude22]

@@DudeReelTalk to be fair a lot of Latinos are skinny and buff at least compared to whites

[@Dred0n]

@@rockandrolldude22 so are you saying that plus size latina have gone extinct because I'm sure I just saw one pass me 46 minute ago.

[@shrimpfry880]

I didn't even know latino was a race. I thought it was an ethnicity like gypsies, arabs or jews

[@moonwitch1615]

This Netflix version of Winx Club was absolutely ridiculous and disgusting.

[@edbateyjr.517]

(American Network) If The CW would've seen the first episode of this, right out the window. Literally!

[@akosicvy]

the show isn't even winx club anymore. it's only a remake by name.

[@kawaiipanda4013]

Sounds like riverdale, teen Titans go, Death Note, etc Oh and mulan

[@anastasiahernandez6575]

"Bloom learns how unusual it is for humans to be born in the human world." - Billiam, 6:54

[@martanaletilic6758]

The fact that he had to put up a picture next to each fairy speaks VOLUMES

[@nerdatello]

they don’t even have wings. what is the POINT

[@JamCat11]

only bloom at the end :/

[@tanmayaande3850]

There's no outfit change

[@gothboithick]

i was absolutely heartbroken when i heard that

[@ryanspears9704]

Bloom: Lonely, but hates everyone Stella: Regina George Terra: NOT Flora Musa: Wrong Frequency Aisha: TOO Rational 🙃 Tecna:

[@MysticDivinerLJ]

“Wrong Frequency” 😩😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@velve5037]

Tecna: Uses her intelligence and stays far away from this show.

[@zacharymccutcheon8607]

I was out as soon as they unironically used the term "mansplain" So, five minutes.

[@anon2447]

Dude, that scene was so awful, Bloom was clearly lost and despite his double intentions Sky was actually trying to help a new student out and suddenly she goes with "oh you mean you're masplaining things to me" the scene gets even worse when it's pointed out that Bloom was actually going in the opposite direction to where she was headed.

[@rafaelcamacho3015]

@@anon2447 "hi!! you're new and i see you're going the wrong way. can i give you some directi-" "dONT YOU *MAINSPLAIN* THINGS TO ME"

[@TackyRackyComixNEO]

I mean, the term itself was fine, but they literally weren't using the term correctly. It's like they heard the word exists and just thought it means literally any time a man explains something.

[@Zazzlebips]

They're just using the term wrong.

[@hanna.ciszewska]

Yeah, me too. I cringed so hard. It's obvious the dialogue was written by some white guy in their 50s trying sooo hard to come up with something "the teens relate to"

[@NorthEevee]

'There's no silly bunnies. But there's genocide...' Pretty much the reason I watch Billiam. Oh, and my long lost childhood nostalgia, of course.

[@zenas19]

Took a second for my brain to register the idea of “live action power puff girls”, and it just started mentally looping Michael Scott screaming no

[@slevinchannel7589]

The Popularity of this shows how unknown to Quality many people are. They just dont know whats good and whats really, really bad... This show even constantly talked about ass-fucking? Really? Wow. WTF. Real disgusting thing to make a Running Gag. Wow.

[@zenas19]

@@slevinchannel7589 what on earth are you talking about? I was just referencing a meme to illustrate my distaste in the idea of a live action powerpuff girls? What’s the logic behind your response to that?

[@hurricanejaney]

some series might have potential, but ppg could truly *never* work as a live-action series. whoever thought that was a good idea, even remotely, is clinging desperately to algorithms and gen-z nostalgia, hoping it’ll grant them their next paycheck

[@alexfsayshi5279]

I’ve just decided not to watch this and go back to the 4kids dub from yonks ago to make me feel happy

[@darewolf6844]

Where did you find 4kids version? I've been trying and failing to find it for awhile now.

[@alexfsayshi5279]

@@darewolf6844 I actually own the 6 dvds that came out way back in 2004. My parents got them for us and I’ve managed to find the few I’d been missing online in my DVD region code

[@blackhalo317]

@@darewolf6844 You didn’t hear it from me, but it’s here on KZbin. Make sure it says 4Kids in the title.

[@teddyfurstman1997]

Same.

[@JuanGomez-ke5py]

I thought that I was not a fan of this why we need a dark and gritty reboot

[@Vailskibum]

I have no knowledge of anything Winx but I'm here to support Billiam 😘

[@rachellightcap1325]

Welcome to the KZbin hole.

[@Love25648]

You should watch the OJ winx club!

[@Nocturne22]

I actually dislike Winx Club, but aside from supporting mah boi, I do feel bad for the Winx fans who were so let down by this trash show.

[@LeoMkII]

me neither but rule 34 will educate me

[@vesperiamorningstar3785]

@@LeoMkII oh god-

[@JackedThor-so]

I'm kind of floored that they tried this. I have NEVER even heard of Winx before this. But seeing the footage of both shows side by side is staggering. It's like trying to get Zack Snyder to direct a gorey and adult version of Word Girl - like, why? Even Riverdale is so fundamentally different from its source material that, I'd all the names were changed, could be it own independent show. Like... why? Why do this?

[@madnessarcade7447]

It is different interpretations That’s like saying miles morales shouldn’t be called Spiderman because he isn’t Peter They can both be different versions of spiderman It’s called artistic interpretation

[@Othermage]

@@madnessarcade7447 I would argue that it doesn’t matter when the interpretation is THIS bad.

[@colbaltmind5696]

@@madnessarcade7447 This is not artistic interpretation, this and Riverdale is like chucking the source material into vat of acid and replacing it with a kid's edgy 9th grade Harry Potter fanfic. There is nothing original or of note that would ever connect this to the og story besides names, and they don't even do that in Fate.

[@rpsyco]

@@madnessarcade7447 I respectfully disagree. Miles isn't an artistic interpretation of Peter. He was simply a character that took over the mantle after 1610 Peter died since he felt inspired to become a superhero. Also, Spider-Man is an alias as opposed to an identity. Miles is still Miles and Peter is still Peter at the end of the day, but Spider-Man is still Spider-Man. I'd say you could argue Miles is more like a sequel as opposed to a reinterpretation. A better comparison would be 616 Peter vs. Ultimate/1610 Peter. That being said, most agree that Ultimate Peter wasn't nearly as good as 616 Peter (and that the entire Ultimate Universe was vastly inferior to the mainstream universe). Now that we're on board, I'll go into this argument. I feel it's strange somebody would do this. It just doesn't make sense to make something completely different, but use the original name. It's more of a cashgrab in my opinion. Attracting fans of the old show to gain viewers for something that wouldn't get any viewers.

[@strawberryh3ntai995]

I just wanted a pastel, sparkly world full of cute fashion and magic but no. We just can't have anything nice.