When the Travel Channel Created Their Own Conspiracy

[@FakeSugarVillain]

The idea of the Wendigo running around Ohio turning snakes into slightly bigger snakes is one of the silliest urban legends I've heard. I hope that part is real

[@QuintonMurdock]

The fact that they took something that we shouldn’t know about let alone anyone think too hard about and made a spooky cryptid out of it for entertainment

[@ahniandfriends123]

I long for the day they finally make an accurate Wendigo movie/tv show where people get possessed by an invisible formless spirit and start cannibalizing each other in sheer madness. Seriously, the real Wendigo monster has more in common with Lovecraft's monsters than they have with the deer-human creature found in popular media.

[@abraxis7292]

@@ahniandfriends123 Antlers was pretty solid

[@overlorddante]

I assume the wendigo is putting benches in cemeteries and random places as well. Must be why they're haunted.

[@loganwendigo937]

I can confirm, it's true

[@josjos-x5s]

"The natives left suddenly" is a very good excuse for the settlers lmao

[@farmerboy916]

I mean technically not wrong.

[@kabobawsome]

Weird how the natives mysteriously vanished as soon as the colonialist settlers arrived.

[@fakeshemp9599]

They left suddenly into the ground lmao

[@Ultra04channel]

"Don't mind the corpses, that's not them."

[@Predator20357]

I mean to be fair, Settlers would probably openly admit to removing the natives unless they told this to a another Native Tribe that were friends with those Natives

[@VulpesHilarianus]

When people were talking about the "death of television" a few years ago, this is the kind of stuff they were citing alongside reality TV and twenty four hour "news" that was really just twenty hours of opinion talkshows.

[@letsgetreal6402]

Lol and it's all still around. Just swapped platforms

[@Dreamybeaver]

Yeah I paid for discovery + and watched this 😂 television will live on in streaming.

[@burritosforlater]

whoever cites 'the death of television' obviously watches the wrong television lol

[@michaezell4607]

Cable news ceased to be news when they became 24 hour political opinion programming networks in the late 90s just before the fad of fake reality trash TV would totally ruin basic cable networks. Starting with that fake as hell survivor crap on CBS.

[@mileskintnermusic7349]

​@@Dreamybeaverthis looks so bad i almost want to buy a subscription just so I can laugh at it

[@darkcloak100]

Makes me think back when creepypastas were everywhere and people made fake games or hacked games to add on to the legend.

[@bigch33se11]

Oh man the classic Mutahar days

[@EssexAggiegrad2011]

@@bigch33se11 I remember those days

[@loganwendigo937]

Legit I caught a glimpse of one of these type of shows the other day and they brought on some fake "expert" to say that The Rake was caught on video. I could not believe my eyes, they are just using old Creepypastas now

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Yeah.

[@ijustlikebees]

@@loganwendigo937 oh my god, which show?

[@AllieYea]

TV's idea of an urban legend: an ancient spirit is being held in a secret military bunker hidden in an abandoned town. Real urban legends: There was a real big snake once.

[@big.venom.snake.boss.]

Yes legends.. don't mind me.

[@Reidc123]

@J M I’m from manitoba and I’ve heard about this too, can’t remember where it was though

[@Dreigonix]

Tsuchinoko real?

[@Belanduraz]

@@Reidc123 why did you live in Manitoba

[@purpleblah2]

"Escaped mutant snake from a carnival" is an explanation for an invasive species I haven't heard before.

[@lornbaker1083]

You say that and yet I consider the fact that there are boa constrictors that can eat things way bigger than a human a determining factor.

[@simplesimply3753]

Must not live in Florida. The rumor Florida has monkeys is because they escaped or were let loose from a carnival/zoo/film (depends on who you ask).

[@troyjardine5850]

@@simplesimply3753: in the 90s, Hurricane Andrew devastated south Florida. Plenty of animals escaped the Miami-Dade zoo, I still remember all those images of escaped lions and leopards in the swamps being contained.

[@LightAndDarkMdness02]

I can't remember where, somewhere in the Smokey Mountains I think, but way back in the 20s a "wild man" escaped from a nearby carnival. Was in a bunch of newspapers at the time so it seems to have actually happened and cops were warning people to stay away from him. Ever since, people in that area have talked about "the wild man" who is basically the local area's bigfoot now. Lots of escaped chronicle cryptids are actually pretty possible and some of the more credible ones-even if I don't think there really is a wild man stalking the Smokeys these days. These urban legends and myths start from realish events and then get distorted by hearsay and rumor.

[@moreplz]

"I went to the cemetery and saw a man on a bench, then I turned around and the man was gone, but when I got closer I realized there was no bench there either." "What are you talking about? There hasn't been a cemetery here in 45 years."

[@piti7102]

This one made me laugh!

[@prottatype9508]

ok thats actually a tiny bit spooky

[@dubuyajay9964]

Yeah, it's called a abandoned graveyard. :-/

[@itsanoformedawg]

​@Dubuya Jay did you not get the hooked orrr...

[@wingerding]

What happened to all the bodies?

[@mou.2]

The fake rock is just... a very weird decision. How hard can it be to just find a real rock? Sure, it would take a bit of effort for just two guys to roll it over and uncover the secred bunker, but that's the whole point. Great content as always, still waiting for more videos about Lost.

[@joeb8935]

Even just a mat of fake grass would be better than a paper mache rock, anyone who goes up and interacts with that giant attention grabbing rock would immediately notice its fake

[@michaelkenner3289]

Bit of effort and a bulldozer.

[@Cheezbuckets]

They had the time and resources to seal their bunker with cement overnight when uncovered, but a paper mache rock was the best long-term disguise they could manage? Sounds like a very legitimate and truly devious secret group!

[@MrChristianDT]

Well, if they filmed it here, it is technically still under the law of National parks & that would be vandalism.

[@rpsyco]

@@joeb8935 Just think, someone sues the government, because they decided to lean on the rock, fell into the bunker, and broke some bones.

[@EyreAffair]

Billiam should do an episode on "Ghost Adventures", "Haunted Museum", and "Demon House", which are all part of the same Travel Channel franchise. "Ghost Adventures" in particular started off interesting and more science-based, but got more into conspiracy theories and faked evidence as the show went on (i.e. executive meddling from Travel Channel higher-ups).

[@AspiringDevil]

Yes 👍

[@theodavis4565]

Lol Ghost Adventures scared the shit out of me as a little kid, but I watched it again when I was like 12 at a friend's house and went "wtf is this lmao" I would love to see Billiam cover this and some of the alien stuff on the history channel

[@MABfan11]

Buzzfeed Unsolved is the best ghost hunting show

[@RD1R]

Mike Stoklasa knows about Ghost Adventures 😏

[@SOMEGUY7893]

"but got more into conspiracy theories and faked evidence as the show went on (i.e. executive meddling from Travel Channel higher-ups)." Nah let's be real the lead actor for that was always that kind of guy the execs didn't make him do half that shit he was doing it from day one.

[@jusdoriange7930]

I work a lot on media litteracy and such in uni so such blatant misinformation can be a bit rough to watch but Billiam always makes it fun and fresh and allows me to just enjoy the silliness of it

[@Gatorade69]

Just remember at how much damage these fake shows are actually doing. Had a family member who thought Mermaids were real because of the show, at least she believed me instead of trying to argue about it. Just breeding stupidity.

[@jusdoriange7930]

@@Gatorade69 Yes you're right! Rest assured, I am very aware of how misinformation can be dangerous and lead to very toxic views and practices, it's just nice to be able to take a break from that once in a while when I can afford. I know it is a privilege for me to do so as I am not constantly in contact with people who have fallen into the dangers of it and I feel sorry for those who do.

[@MEKCreations]

@@Gatorade69 Oh, I totally spent like a weekend convinced the mermaid thing was real. I think I caught a rerun and finally saw the disclaimer.

[@GrandpaMaxGaming]

There's something ironic about misspelling literacy then

[@jusdoriange7930]

@@GrandpaMaxGaming lol yeah, in my native language it has "tt" tho, hence the mistake. I don't think think pointing it out is without irony either, since the notion is about having more than a surface approach to information

[@ComicDrake]

Ghosts and Food is a great name for a show in New Orleans

[@snowqueen_8958]

Someone should make it

[@stapuft]

back in the day they actually aired a few good shows, like "anthony bourdains no reservations", which was LITERALLY the best show ANY discovery owned channel has EVER made.

[@LpSamuelm]

I humbly submit MythBusters!

[@stapuft]

@@LpSamuelm a VERY close second.

[@willy_b_coyote]

Dare I say Deadliest Catch (before it became a scripted reality show)?

[@stapuft]

@@willy_b_coyote i never liked that show, them promoting the hell out of that show and showing it at all hours, (and them canceling mythbusters), is the main reason i dont even watch tv anymore, discovery was the only channel i watched, until it became nothing but a reality tv show dumping ground. they had MUCH better content, when they were making nothing but documentaries, and unfortunately i think mythbusters started that downfall, as it gained them SO MANY MORE viewers than any of their other shows, then deadliest catch cranked that into overdrive, and unfortunately, they decided to lean into it, instead of mythbusters, because it was cheaper to make.

[@Gatorade69]

I remember catching No Reservations on while channel surfing and instantly being hooked in both the show and with Anthony Bourdain (RIP). Was a great show, wish there was somewhere to watch it, it was on Pluto TV a couple years back but it seems like it has disappeared.

[@normalusernameiguess1516]

Man I love the travel channel. I used to watch a show called mysteries at the museum so when I found out the host was doing a new show called buried worlds I was super interested. I thought it would be about archeology or ancient history or cave civilizations or something. The first episode I watched was episode 6 called devil swamp and it was one of the worst things I'd ever seen. Definitely so bad it's good. The host just went and talked to a bunch of insane people in Louisiana and agreed with everything they said and watched them do weird things and went looking for ghosts or something while absolutely nothing happens but the people are like, convinced there is like some invisible magic animal or something. The other couple episodes i watched were pretty similar but a little less funny and I stopped after watching them sacrifice a goat. I recommend watching buried worlds episode 6 devil swamp for peak travel channel. At the very least read the Wikipedia plot summaries for the different episodes. I've never heard a more insane theory about what happened to the Roanoke colony and I already heard the self contained zombie apocalypse theory.

[@Gatorade69]

I really liked Mysteries at the Museum. At least you learned about interesting real events. My mom loves the show now since I introduced her to it.

[@screamingbanshee1282]

Gotta love the insane stuff travel channel has made, it's makes you want to believe in it even though it's completely made up

[@papajhonsreal]

Mysteries at the Museum was actually really cool, but as far as I know, it hasn't been aired in ages. it's been equally long since I've seen something on travel channel that isn't paranormal-related.

[@JuniperJadePR]

Loved Mysteries at the Museum. Buried Worlds felt way too sensationalist in comparison...would probably pay poor Billiam to watch it though.

[@vampireinsomniac2251]

Ah, yes, that brings back memories

[@nolanlipply755]

Lmao. My dad actually took me there as a kid. Him and my uncle just kinda wandered around fucking around until a cop told them to leave. Truly a horrfying place haha

[@Gatorade69]

Cop wanted you to leave so you wouldn't see the Wendigo.

[@AveryCreates]

@@Gatorade69 EVIDENCE of a COVERUP!

[@akufuhreal3757]

@@Gatorade69 what if the cop was the wendigo

[@TheBanshee90]

@@akufuhreal3757 how could the cop be a wendigo when it was actually the lochness monster?

[@sandvichspencer6956]

What if his dad was the wendigo?

[@treviken9416]

“Helltown” is close to where I live, and I’ve heard so many urban legends about it. I even visited it with my friends. Never thought I’d see a KZbinr I watch talk about it. Thanks for what you do!

[@andreww830]

Hey, same here!

[@FullyCharged22]

Bruh, me too, but it was always a joke to me and my friends.

[@robertgronewold3326]

Yeah, I always have mega serious eye roll whenever I see a pentagram show up in any form of media, because 99% of the time, it's being used completely wrong. A pentagram isn't satanic, it's literally the opposite. It was a protective symbol and even was printed in bibles and can be seen in church carvings. The only reason pentagrams are now thought to be evil is because some Hollywood morons back in the day didn't know their symbology and just started plastering pentagrams all over their horror movies. It would be as stupid if in 500 years, people started putting the @ symbol in horror movies because some idiot thought it was used to summon demons. lol

[@PosthumanHeresy]

I mean, there _are_ a lot of demons you can summon on Twitter with an @. The place is cursed.

[@Lazysupermutant]

Out here in Wisconsin we have a fair few menenite communities and they'll put that on their barns all the time.

[@Cheezbuckets]

@demons hey u up?

[@NimhLabs]

... I've accepted that the @ symbol is used to summon demons headcanon so hard...

[@lainiwakura1776]

Isn't it a pentacle? Stars themselves don't mean much.

[@Rougrou1597]

There called Shockumentrys there are actually some good ones out there. the history of horror movies and the urban legends that helped to create them was actually good. They focused on real killers mostly.

[@kyleshiflet9952]

They did one for Blair Witch back in 99 that's pretty good

[@altarriq]

Texas Chainsaw too

[@kyleshiflet9952]

@@altarriq that's a great example

[@richardtherichard26]

Nope. This is not what a “shockumentary” is. A shockumentary has shocking content but is still a documentary which unlike this, is typically not fake. Otherwise it’s not a documentary. That would be a mockumentary.

[@Rougrou1597]

@@richardtherichard26 these are done as Shockumentrys and are stated as such on Discovery +

[@willow8783]

Seeing videos about shows like Helltown makes me remember the time MTV made a ghost exploration reality competition show. I wonder if there's an angle about that one for you to make a video about. It was called, "MTV's Fear" and the theme song was VooDoo by Godsmack. I know a lot of it has been uploaded to KZbin.

[@snowqueen_8958]

That show was good I enjoyed it when it was on

[@serenitynow85]

When was that?

[@MrChristianDT]

I remember seeing a couple episodes of that back in the day & couldn't, for the life of me, remember what it was.

[@willow8783]

I can still hear the voice of the computer narrator in my head to this day. For the time, it was a pretty creepy show. With the inundation of reality and ghost hunting shows since then, not so much looking at it now.

[@richardtherichard26]

I might watch it just to hear the intro lol

[@ctam31ify]

All I've ever wanted from life was a little mermaid tail. Damn you, government!

[@fennecfoxfanatic]

Welp, theres always ebay!

[@jonasquinn7977]

Wait did you just want some mermaid tail or specifically the little mermaid’s tail?

[@InvincibleWereWeasel]

12:32 that impersonation of bad “creepy” KZbin narration is so spot on.

[@FrankHolub]

Right? What's with that intonation that they use? 🤣

[@jessicaconda4825]

To be fair, the travel Channel did actually do a lot of series with travel, exploring cities around the world, the food, cultures, everything in the late 90s and early 2000s. Loved watching most of the shows. Then reality TV took over and they found they got really good ratings on the paranormal specials which turned into most of their programming. Now it's really nothingnmore then reruns of mysteries at the museum (it's spinoffs), ghost adventures ( and any of Zach baggins random ideas) and several of the other paranormal shows they've produced recently, which are unfortunately more staged then anything. As for the discovery specials, I really loved the one they did for dragons (knew it was fake at the time but it was entertaining to see a more scientific approach to the mythical animal). They also did a mini series one what could possible happen. If humans just disappeared from. The earth, and one that explored what future society might look like. Which where both pretty good at the time.

[@lainiwakura1776]

That last one was the History Channel and it's called Life After People. History is owned by A&E and I don't know who owns A&E now.

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

Destination Unknown does feature a lot of total nonsense too though. Like the idea some random Ryukyuan island is some kind of atlantean civilization because it's made of geometrically shaped rocks.

[@scaper8]

Even the dragon one, if I remember correctly, was never presented as "real." It was always presented in the advertising as "what would it look like if scientists found this impossible thing preserved in a cave and how would its biology work?"

[@jessicaconda4825]

@@scaper8 I don't quite remember the ads for it, but I do know the program itself was in the documentary style, from the premise that these scientists had actually found the dragon corpse frozen, and then proceeded like any other documentary that involves extinct animals. Too be fair though, the programs that come after it, definitely pushed the 'this is real' angle a fair bit harder.

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

@@jessicaconda4825 I knew the mermaid documentary was fake when I saw it, but I was a kid when I saw the dragon documentary and it was just really confusing.

[@Phyzarum]

I always love when billiam uploads because I always learn something weird and interesting

[@Heyitsann]

I remember watching travel channel when I was little and loving the “most extreme” shows that go around the country and world to find the most extreme pools, rollercoasters, spas etc.

[@henryboy3656]

I live incredibly close to the helltown area and my father and I regard "Helltown" as the most entertaining mockumentary ever made just because of how insane it paints the picture of this place which is, in reality, some houses and a forest.

[@dubuyajay9964]

Centralia would have made more sense due to how bonkers the rl town is.

[@TalosParoxi]

I love the reaction recordings in the video.It really reinforces that you're having fun making these videos and that makes it fun for me too. I'd honestly watch supercuts of "Billiam & crew react", seems like a fun time.

[@Timbeon]

Funny thing is, Boston, OH *is* part of a national park, Cuyahoga Valley National Recreation Area was established in 1974 and upgraded to Cuyahoga Valley National Park in 2000, there's a visitor's center and several park facilities in Boston now. Also the Wendigo is also an actual figure in the spiritual traditions of the various indigenous communities of the Great Lakes, but usually more in the Lake Superior area than Lake Erie.

[@CommanderWiggins]

Yeah, I live right nearby Boston OH. It's mainly comprised of the national park facilities and a skii resort. There's also apparently a historic bed and breakfast. The graveyard is still there, but there's a distinct lack of bench ghosts, and absolutely no signs of satanic activity. Trust me, if there was a satanic cult running around here, I'd definitely be a member.

[@noelledunker8318]

Billy in the ad you should’ve said “welp i’m dead but those ray-cons are still in my head”

[@korokonas]

I remember really liking Travel Channel in the early/mid 2000's. It was focused more on... well TRAVELING, so you had No Reservations along with a few Samantha Brown shows. My favorite, however, was their holiday specials, especially around Halloween. There were specials on haunted locations and going over their history, crazy Halloween traditions across the US, and my favorite specials that focused on scare house attractions across the country and all their special effects and stuff. I miss when Travel Channel had all this holiday variety. Now it's just endless hours of Ghost Adventures which I found boring even as a kid :(

[@HarukoJisan]

Adam Richman era Man v Food (despite leading to some weight and health issues for Adam), Bizarre Foods with Andrew Zimmern, and No Reservations with Anthony Bourdain formed the Golden Era Trifecta of The Travel Channel, won't ever be better.

[@Gatorade69]

Oh yeah, I used to watch Bizarre foods until I so No Reservations and was hooked.

[@lainiwakura1776]

Hard agree!

[@molotera8789]

Man v Food made me a foodie lol

[@tiktokki]

billiam's chills impression was extremely accurate LOL

[@kawaiihaki2480]

billiams impression of those monotone youtubers who talk about the most unbelievable shit likes its real, is so spot on its crazy, he almost sounds like chills lmfao.

[@MackenzieChandlerDunnavant]

I was disappointed to not hear the "Learning and Junk" intro before this, but the Chills joke made me forgive you. Your educational TV related content is my favorite! Did you ever see Nat Geo Kids stuff like Really Wild Animals or Amazing Planet?

[@brockmckelvey7327]

The quality of these videos continues to be awesome. Thank you for the edutainment, Billiam

[@camerongrow6426]

They had to make up mysterious activity in Boston Ohio, meanwhile that one town in Roadkill County, Oregan is just going unnoticed.

[@peachtea7269]

Not shocked one of the names of an Oregon County is Roadkill County

[@camerongrow6426]

@@peachtea7269 That's the cool part. There isn't.

[@peachtea7269]

@@camerongrow6426 even better

[@CartoonHero1986]

Okay so a friend of mine from college actually played Everett in Helltown (the dude at 9:01 playing Everett while he was in the military in your video). I had no idea he did this role until now seeing your video and you just happen to use a scene with Oliver in it. I'm gonna have to ask him about it now and see if there is an inside story on this wonderful piece of Discovery sister channel cringe.

[@Lady.Friday]

Please post an update if you can, you have me interested in any discovery dirt lol

[@stevenclark1662]

Well?

[@ringer1324]

Oh I remember helltown I used to live there

[@smokinjodak9844]

Being from Ohio I've been to "hell town" and the scariest part of going is there are a bunch of coyotes 😂😂😂 and the 45 minute walk from the closest place to park lmao

[@FullyCharged22]

It doesn't take 45 minutes to get there?...

[@cursedalien]

1:45 I used to loooooove Man vs Food. To this day, I still say "food won" when I can't finish my dinner.

[@Sharkman4569]

Billian this isn’t the only Mockumentary that Travel Channel has put out, recently they put out one on Vampires and it was funny af, the Mockumentary was called “Vampires in America”

[@shadows-sweet-embrace]

Yes! That one was amazing! Watched it with my dad and we were laughing our asses off.

[@austinmitchell2652]

Really loved the music you guys seemed to make for this episode. That and the "couch reaction" audio clips gave this a really fun atmosphere.

[@dayvancubensis]

The abandoned houses were apparently demolished in the summer of 2016, so there really isn't much of an abandoned town vibe in Peninsula/Boston Township anymore. The church is still there, but nowadays it's really just a small town that is surrounded by the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. It's actually a pretty beautiful area.

[@gignaksmarfdown4210]

I've been goin back and watching your old videos recently and it's nice to see that compared to those you seem to have a bit of a better grip on your depression that's freaking awesome man glad to see you with some life in your eyes Billiam 🤘🤘

[@BrianLocke]

I love how the Wendigo is clearly a guy in hoodie. They couldn't even be bothered to make him a mask.

[@ML-qn5rj]

Every time I think I’ve gotten over the mermaid charade Billiam swoops in and REMINDS ME

[@padillaphile]

My mom and I were googling Helltown after we watched it and lost it when they credited the Wendigo on IMDB…

[@TV0R11]

Yes the melonheads, crybaby bridge, gore orphanage. I love any time someone mentions cryptic Ohio myths

[@jakeaaron]

The Chills impersonation was perfect.

[@wordsdistorted]

Speaking of those ghost hunting shows, it would be pretty cool to see you talk about A Haunting that ran on Discovery for a bit. Basically dramatized reenactments of "true" hauntings. (I'll believe it when I see it). Kinda went to shit after it went to another network and every other episode was about demonic possession. Seasons 1 and 2 are definitely worth a watch though, some pretty good stories and overall good production.

[@davidwolf8848]

I remember when this first came on. I knew nothing about it so when it suddenly came on, I watched until the end. To be honest, it actually freaked me out because I had no context after and, because it was so recent, there was no info on in online, which only added to the creep factor. This video made me weirdly nostalgic because I just assumed everyone forgot about this. Thanks for the information, this filled in A LOT of blanks.

[@aimee1113]

Every time I see silly videos like this about local areas, it’s an instant watch. Boston township is actually the heart of the Cuyahoga Valley national park and is the area is absolutely beautiful. I love the reference to the melon heads, because the Kirtland which is roughly half hour 45 minutes north is one of the big cities around here associated with the melon head legend. If there’s ever a special about that out there I hope you cover it because that legend is wild and silly overall

[@JayboCorp.2014]

These are so fun and nostalgic. Having always loved space and science at a young age I was really into all this programming but will admit that while some of these fooled me. They had me questioning them slightly for sure.

[@headlessrabbit1939]

This is so weird because this video made me realize that I had completely forgotten the travel channel even existed even though I watched it almost all the time when I was a young teen.

[@stepfitz1016]

The editing in this video made me actually cackle. Loved it! And they should just change the network title to Parody Discovery. I think they'd be a lot more successful.

[@tjzero0008]

"You'll suffer a concussion before these babys come out" 😂🤦‍♂️ These adds will always be a Large reason I always return to this channel.

[@caldineescogroft8831]

Wait, Biliam are you telling me that you dont belive that stuff? MY GOD YOU BETRAYED THE ENTIRE MOTHMAN MOVEMENT, I EXPECTED MORE FROM YOU

[@dirtbones3694]

i saw this documentary years ago when i was younger and it thoroughly scared the shit out of me even though i knew it was fake. i’ve been trying to find the name of it for years now so i can rewatch it again, thank you !

[@Icelandic_Sand]

Same! Watched it with my dad when it came out, I was probably 12-13 at the time. Never heard of Boston Ohio before or after this, so I just assumed the town was made up as well, lol.

[@Nyctonaut]

Man i love these "TV shows who made up sh*t" episodes! It justs cracks me up that these actually made it onto tv!! Keep em coming Billiam, love all your videos!!

[@ffox4176]

it'd be neat to see Billiam cover Scaredy Camp someday. a 2000s era kid's reality game show with a horror theme that I can't recall anyone ever talking about but totally fits with the Goosebumps kid spooky popularity back then

[@John12494]

Hey Billiam! Just to let you know, the tribes that believe in the cannibal spirit consider it to be in bad taste to actually say it's name. Huge fan of your videos, from a member of The Seminole Tribe of Florida!

[@zelenpixel]

yeah i hope that gets to his attention because ive heard a lot of native people say not to mention the beasts name and that should be respected

[@kidwet20]

@@zelenpixel i disagree people don't have to follow rules set by any religion that isn't theirs

[@yannickgrignon2473]

I'm Canadian, not Indigenous but from the kinds of areas these stories exist, and while I don't have an issue with saying the name, I've always found it deeply unsettling to refer to the Wendigo as just another cryptid. It's a symbol of human greed and insatiability, a name for the spirit of hunger that can dominate someone's very humanity, especially if they engage in the least-human act of all: cannibalism. That's why I've never liked its depiction as a bipedal deer-monster. The thing that makes it scary is its fundamental human form - an emaciated, distended humanlike figure who has eaten its own lips out of sheer hunger is way more frightening than "sasquatch with antlers".

[@notnormalyet]

@@kidwet20 It's about respecting other people's cultures, especially cultures that have been demonized and erased, not "following rules".

[@Wolfparadox]

Thanks to that show there are people, mostly teens going into the area and causing issues, one youtuber even tried to break into Mother of Sorrows church in town and kept calling it "A Satanic church" and claimed the cops were Satanists trying to get them after the alarms went off

[@Oooze3424]

love how the evil cult worships "The Wendigo" like its just one being and also a all-knowing god of evil or something, the real wendigo myth was a vampire/werewolf esc story

[@jnickbrown1997]

I have a lot of memories watching the Travel Channel with my mom. She loved watching Ghost Adventures and Expedition Unknown while I loved Mysteries at the Museum. Thank you for letting me remember those good times.

[@beccak3035]

I was , in fact, fooled by hell town. I was fooled by mermaids as a child and maybe if I noticed the same guy being in the film I’dve realized sooner lol

[@Orcinus-s4z]

Every documentary even bbc was a lie

[@matteomastrodomenico1231]

Want to know the funny part? The legend of the wendigo never mentions that they have antlers.

[@annalies]

Never even knew there was a show about our helltown. I grew up in the town next to Boston Township and of course we heard all about the urban legends. I’ve visited a few times, and I’ll say at night it’s definitely spooky but I think that’s more so due to abandoned buildings in the dark are eerie in general. And it’s made a little less creepy since, in order to get there, you have to pass through a well known farm we used to visit for elementary school field trips. Fun fact though, I only learned about melon heads recently since I guess I grew up only hearing about the wendigos. Anyway, the cuyahoga valley national park is actually really wonderful and it was nice growing up so close to it.

[@wakawakatakeover]

Travel Channel still has the best History Channel show in existence under its belt! Mysteries at the Museum. It's annoying to watch on air because of the ad breaks, but boy do they tell some fun stories in a fun way! Overblown, yes. But I still love it!

[@Darkthestral1]

So everyone's aware the Algonquin people really dislike people co-opting the Wendigo or even saying the name if you aren't part of their tribe. It's a huge taboo and they've had to deal with people misrepresenting their culture for a long time. It would be best to at least point out how messed up it is that the creature was taken and twisted to suit a generic naritive and if possible not say the name as even that is pretty insulting if you aren't Algonquin.

[@diversitydiversity-r8n]

cant ay i knew this

[@kittikat4124]

Im Ojibwe which is Algonquin and I cant say Ive ever heard that we dont want non Natives saying it, its just considered extremely bad luck because of what the Windigo is. Personally, I dont mind tasteful use of that legend, but it is pretty annoying that most coopts of that legend are basically shit like this show lol. Personally love how Until Dawn handled the story, but I know others who arent a fan of it. Ironically, its a story warning about greed and selfishness yet white people sure do like to capitalize on it… I just wish people would take as much interest in our other legends as they do the Windigo legend. Like, all Native tribes have such cool stories, but the only ones anyone cares about are the complete bastardized retellings of the Windigo and Skinwalkers.

[@Darkthestral1]

@@kittikat4124 thanks for the info. I was going off of what I'd heard. I'll do some more looking into it Have a lovely day :)

[@kittikat4124]

@@Darkthestral1 no problem! It's important to learn and share things! One of my favorite stories is of the White Buffalo Woman. Our story of the dreamcatcher is also a really cool legend and one I think needs more attention because people don't really know what the dreamcatcher symbolizes. Another fun fact is why we settled where we did. We were given dreams telling us to find where food floats on water, which are the wild rice fields we found, which are incredibly sacred to us. The fields also tend to be a constant fight for us to keep because the US government refuses to honor us.

[@Darkthestral1]

@@kittikat4124 the dream is really cool I've never heard it. I'd love to see more stories useing the actual legends from indigenous people. They barely get any attention and are so cool! And frankly I don't know what to say about the government. They just do what they want on native land and act like it's fine. And now they're learning that gee maybe the people who lived here for thousands of years knew something about taking care of the environment. It's all such a screwed up situation.

[@bigfootsdemise]

Oh man I know this video is 2 years old but... I'm from a small town 30 minutes north of Cleveland, I'm right on the lake. There’s a town called Chardon, my uncle lives out there and we used to visit and sleepover a ton. Very very spooky and woodsy, no street lights so it’s pitch black at night, and the perfect vibes for a horror movie to begin. The Melonheads live out there! My uncle told me the story one night as a little girl... and I whole-heartedly believed it and still pass it on 13 years later. A scientist and his wife lived out in Chardon, secluded from the rest of the town's population. They had a ginormous mansion in the woods and had adopted around 5-10 children to care for. So the town assumed. What the scientist and his wife were actually doing, was experimenting on these children they adopted. Primarily, filling their heads with fluids they believed would grant them powers of some sort, or wisdom. These experiments failed of course, but left these children with ginormous, swollen, melon-shaped heads. One night all of the children gathered together and attacked the scientist's wife, killing her. Then they did the same to the scientist. The story splits into two paths here. Either the children remained living out in the mansion peacefully, and are never seen again, only rumors, or they escaped the mansion and now roam the forests of Chardon, Ohio, eating wild animals and occasionally...... little kids who wander off.

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

I remember seeing this with my parents when it aired, we figured out pretty quickly it was fake because we live near there and had never heard about any of this, but we kinda held out because hey maybe we missed something, but then the scene with moving the boulder happened and my step dad just said "No fricken way" checked the tv gudie to see if we missed some disclaimer about it being fake and when we saw nothing changed the channel.

[@averagechannelname9969]

The Basil PFP sells this comment lmao I love it

[@-THE_META]

This town just sounds like every Supernatural side episode put together.

[@joepapa1189]

An actual neat thing in Ohio is the Mansfield asylum. It’s not just it’s haunted that makes it’s kinda spooky it’s the fact that it’s a massive prison that’s completely empty. I’ve gone there and y’a you here spooky noises and maybe see something out the corner of your eye but just walking around is creepy. Your brain is screaming at you “why is no one here? This is wrong something is wrong”

[@marigalante944]

It do be like that when you're in an empty place that is usually busy. I remember walking through the street at night, usually was filled with people but NO ONE WAS THERE. Lol

[@wowf0rl1f3]

Literally had to pause because I needed to see if you got chills to guest spot. That impression was spot on

[@blackiechan749]

I can’t wait for him to discover Monster Quest on the history channel

[@chromeo3945]

I like your "Zak Bagans voice". Spot on, it evoked memories of watching Ghost Adventures

[@LouTwoShoes]

As someone who grew up in small town Ohio, most of this is just a typical Saturday night.

[@HaydenNumbaWun]

I just love to hear you talk about anything and everything Billiam, you've become like a friend to me

[@ashleymurphy7614]

Please do a lost tapes video 😅😅 love seeing you and your friends reactions to the absurdity

[@jimiesoteric2417]

I love how the hunter had his rifle pointed right at the thing and then randomly points it up and to the right before he fires

[@Liquidsback]

Billiam, the revealer of fake documentaries.

[@alanleon8775]

Honestly I found my new favorite channel, I’m glad I found this account

[@thanatoast]

The fact that Billiam has a Badtz-maru plush despite previously expressing his love for Keroppi proves that he's not loyal 😔😔😔😔

[@MrAlysavielma]

I am always so touched by your pure emotional responses to some of my favorite shows. I’m so glad you’re enjoying this as much as I did. You’re in for such a wonderful adventure. I hope you have a wonderful day!

[@richardtherichard26]

Considering that snakes are increasingly becoming an issue in residential areas do to them being kept as pets and either escaping or being released, I think it’s very possible that there was at one point or another a few large sized non indigenous snakes in Ohio.

[@jish55]

Travel channel did use to be heavily based on travel, where they didn't start airing ghost shows until the 2010s. Like I remember a lot of travel channel episodes on theme parks, food, traveling to different countries, scuba diving, etc.

[@TheBanshee90]

yeah I remember a lot of countdown shows like Top 10 rollercoasters or something like that. It probably just started out as like a higher budget "infomercial" where companies paid to be featured on a given show.

[@alikayyal9050]

How did TLC go from the learning channel to the god awful reality show tv channel?

[@deathsyth8888]

I blame 'Trading Places'.

[@TheBanshee90]

I'd say it started with Mythbusters. A build show with some characterization in the middle. This lead to Orange County Choppers which became less of a build show and more of a character "reality tv show." boom everything becomes reality tv on the discovery brands.

[@kuitaranheatmorus9932]

Welcome back and this video was really good, and just the fact this vidoe exist Is just a guilty pleasure,and I love it

[@cookiegeddon4938]

Why is the new video gone?

[@mind-of-neo]

I am wondering this myself

[@TheWhalechild]

I work in Peninsula, the town and park very much exist, the Helltown rumors will bring in tourism in october usually.

[@jimmyramos7143]

Billiam Scott Cramer and Austin McConnell are like the four horsemen of making real good KZbin videos

[@FinntheSquire]

Wait that's only 3 people

[@WhaleManMan]

The fourth member is shrouded in secret.

[@neontd]

I also watch them. They're all amazing

[@nicolasmcenteer2876]

Maybe he meant Billiam, Tom Scott, Scott Cramer, and Austin McConnell. Still, rough phrasing.

[@ScDarkness913]

Scott the Woz is disappointed in you

[@Ariadne.Picaro]

I live fifteen minutes from Boston, OH, I even worked at the ski resort down the road. There is NOTHING there and it was so upsetting to learn that.

[@grfrjiglstan]

What if we... o.o ...kissed on the Ghost Bench?

[@sevinPackage]

The scary aspect of WBD started when they decided not to release Batgirl (it was complete and ready to show in theaters) and delist a lot of content to save on taxes.

[@thomashollingshead015]

Oh god I remember this. Obviously I knew it wasn’t real, but it was still a fun watch.

[@lavenderlylin]

Gilliam we better get more footage of you guys watching helltown, that is GOLD

[@youcanthandlemyname7393]

the sad part is every one can admit that these television channels cashed in their credibility and started lying to get views but theirs still people out their that refuse to admit all the news channels, papers, and websites did the same thing. i mean how many times do people have to be told that the world is literally ending only for it to never happen before they wake up and realize these channels dont make money unless your panicking.

[@Guimhj]

Yeah, abolish the profit motivation

[@hannahbrown2728]

Amazing video! The voiceover for the snake bit was spot on

[@jb0258]

I only live 15 minutes away from this location and have never heard of any of this before. Also, I did enjoy the country accents on all the voices you made the Ohio people have. It's not entirely too far off from what most of us sound like lmao. oh, and 10:00 - 10:02 made me legitimately lol when you coughed and then cut to a guy smoking a joint 👌

[@SuperConroy99]

I remember when the Travel Channel had shows actually having to do with travel and then just became the Ghost Channel, cause it's like 90% ghost shows now

[@AspiringDevil]

Another video on one my favorite topics. You ever been to Ohio? There is some legitimately creepy stuff and history there. Also the Amish cheese is excellent But when your walking through the woods in winter and the trees are bleeding its not hard to how myths are born. That's also why it's puzzling that they choose to fabricate myths rather than just dramatic reenactments.

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

Amish food in general is amazing And yeah the state really earns its place at the edge if lake Eerie

[@Curiacity]

a good ghost adventures binge never hurts anyone just looking for silly spooks love the new vid like usual Billiam!