Billy Bragg meets Owen Jones: Is progressive patriotism possible?

Billy Bragg is the most famous political singer songwriter of our time. From Thatcherism - when he played a pioneering role in the leftwing 'Red Wedge' musicians alliance - onwards, he's been a musical icon and a formidable campaigner. We speak about whether a 'progressive patriotism' is possible: will it always be about jingoism and empire, can it be inclusive of minorities, and how can our other history - of people struggling for rights and freedoms - be remembered?
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