Billy Corgan discussing the Batman + Robin soundtrack @ Madame Zuzu’s 02/06/2022

[@RatSitnov]

Despite all his rage, he's a bald Santa Claus on a stage

[@brandonkeaton5571]

made me LOL

[@PhantomFilmAustralia]

...and someone will say that 'his face could never be shaved.'

[@ninja_tony]

@@PhantomFilmAustralia I don't know whether I love or hate you for this lol

[@kevinsmith9502]

That made me fucking howl bro

[@KevinM-dg7kx]

😂😂😂

[@GrippingLipsFishing]

The Pumpkins were my favorite band from the 90s for a lot of my life. This is the most real and laid back I've ever seen Billy.

[@magneto44]

@The Sentient Mustard almost lol

[@ninja_tony]

@The Sentient Mustard His personality also really shines through when he's talking about the NWA and his love for wrestling. It's almost odd seeing one of my childhood rock icons as a wrestling promoter, because I grew up a huge wrestling fan as well, but there's something about him when he's talking about that stuff that's similar to here. Much more laid back and down to earth compared to his "biggest band in the world" persona a lot of people are probably familiar with. We all know the bad stuff that's been said about him being egotistical and hard to work with or whatever, but I'll always love the guy in spite of that, because he is human, and this clip was kind of heart-warming seeing him just casually talk about the past without worrying about a ton of camera and media attention.

[@jjhrkel]

Hes a nut job

[@nebulous8389]

I think it's because he has a stable relationship and I think at this time he has 2 kids.

[@danielwilliamson6180]

I love the end credits The End is the Beginning from Batman and Robin. I bought Batman and Robin on DVD a few months ago. Is it bright where you are? Have the people changed? Does it make you happy? You're so strange. In your darkest hour. I hold secrets flame. We can watch the world devoured in its pain. Thank you, Billy and the Pumpkins for such an awesome song.

[@McCrapweasel]

"The sea was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli..."

[@danielc7773]

I don't care that the movie is bloody awful, it's fun anyway. And Joel Schumacher was the coolest cat in Hollywood. That song and that movie are pure nostalgia, and occupy a warm place in my heart.

[@justingrignon8749]

I liked it as a kid and I think that's the point.

[@thebeatlesandoasis05]

Batman Forever still holds up more so than Batman and Robin. Hate they get lumped together

[@WaitingForTheHook]

@@thebeatlesandoasis05 They're both absolute turd fests

[@rayfran06]

For those two colorful movies to come from Joel Schumacher as an adult blows my mind knowing his body of work. Falling Down, 8mm (Which is not a movie you should have your girlfriend walk in on you watching at certain scenes lol), Flatliners, Phone Booth, A Time to Kill and I want to say Eye for an Eye (one of the most graphic take scenes in a movie I think, I think he directed it). All super heavy and adult themes and dark.

[@jnnx]

@@thebeatlesandoasis05 They are both incredibly hacky.

[@Aaronius_Maximus]

This made me smile, thanks for sharing! I truly cannot wait until he releases a book filled with stories like this one. I enjoyed his "confessions" blog back in the mid 2000's, but holy cow Billy Corgan is such a gold mine of stories about so many different people from all walks of life. :)

[@TheSpock23]

IKR

[@foodank_atr817]

If you haven't, you might enjoy his interview on Rogan.

[@bobbyswamp]

@Christopher Wilson, I totally agree with you, I love his story-telling ability!

[@johnniea4684]

Yeah I remember those too, he has the capacity to write some great readable books on the Pumpkins + his life which would be really interesting. Maybe we'll get those around the same time the Machina reissue eventually comes out! 😑

[@jParisTexas73]

What a plot twist! I never thought Billy Corgan would become Santa Claus.

[@Transmodulator]

Just what thought, but the beard fits to the paunch.

[@jankoegl]

Exactly my thoughts

[@bennybonilla2864]

Looks like Santa lost weight this year

[@jeffandersen7397]

it's completely crushing my current perception of reality (also, Despite all his rage, he's really just fat for his Age)

[@glennoc8585]

I think he's lost the beard now and looks then years younger

[@kurono77]

I love Billy's storytimes lol. Thanks!

[@toddmusic]

That single minute of Pumpkin music is the GREATEST moment of that movie.

[@mayonnnnnaise]

I bought the soundtrack because I needed to hear the rest of the song, on demand.

[@adrianlee3497]

The Watchman was awesome. The thing with the Schumacher Batman was that it went back to the 60's TV series. It was camp and not horrible.

[@notyetskeletal4809]

Oh...that explains it.

[@aegisreflector1239]

I disagree with Corgan about Watchmen, that was a solid movie.

[@stavard]

It was as good of an adaptation as I could have hoped for. I enjoyed it. The trailer put a lot of asses in the seats. Many would not have paid to see it in a theatre. :)

[@hexxed13]

I agree

[@roarv]

Agreed

[@McSwift]

I really like Watchmen movie. One of my favorite comic book movies.

[@aegisreflector1239]

@@McSwift Same it's also one of my favorites as well.

[@greenman3265]

Would have been hilarious if after that great story he says "so anyway...here's wonderwall"

[@MedalionDS9]

Noel Gallagher has opened for the Smashing Pumpkins too... he probably could've asked him to play that

[@ANNIHILISTIC]

Say what you will about the movie, but the Watchmen trailer was phenomenal. Blew me away as a teen. I bought the graphic novel next week.

[@KillerGrim47]

Ill never forget when i first saw it on the The Dark Knight dvd so mind blowing i never skipped it

[@EmpyreanLightASMR]

ok now i have to watch the watchmen trailer lmao

[@KillerGrim47]

@@EmpyreanLightASMR youll love it its pure art tbh

[@EmpyreanLightASMR]

@@KillerGrim47 nah, I just wanted to check out the music. the trailer (and the movie) were NOT my thing...

[@criminalmindsgirl2936]

I just watched Watchmen the other day! I still love the movie.

[@jasonwhite7452]

Imagine his stories if he had a bottle of bourbon!

[@bilhamcobbly2957]

That’s pretty funny 😄

[@jasonwhite7452]

@@bilhamcobbly2957 🤣

[@starwinksbackfromtheskypit6790]

Honestly he would never stfu. Lol I just had the honor of hanging out with him again and we talked for hours. Well actually he talked for hours lol 😂 But as much I love him, let’s just say he definitely has “the gift of gab”. He is brilliant and kind and it is always fun getting him angsty and watch those cheeks turn red.

[@JoeJoe-wp1vv]

Not everyone drinks liquor.

[@sabrinatiffany45]

He’s a huge advocate for sobriety! Even kicked out his guitarists if they weren’t sober

[@hanswolfhausen8347]

I really wish, in all the times I've seen him live since the 90s, even just once, he would have added The End is the Beginning is the End to a set list. Such a great song. Anyone else here ever see the Pumpkins live where that song was part of the set? Because, if so, I'm jealous.

[@delayedhapiness]

Oh boy do I have a surprise for you. Search le eurockeenes 1997 and you'll be blessed

[@nomad1517]

His restaurant has amazing food. Their desserts are beyond delicious. It's a really cool place too. I work near there a lot. But I decided to give it a taste. Tried the grilled cheese (vegan food mind you) Very delicious. If you're ever in Illinois, go there, it's in highland park. Sometimes if you're lucky Billy is there. But it's just really cool to see a legendary artist up front and just hear what they have to say and even chill with them. They are human, just had a great opportunity to play their art to the world.

[@PhantomFilmAustralia]

It would be so great if he had a bar! All he'd have to do is name his cocktails and shots after his albums and songs. Putting in an order would sound so awesome! *_"Excuse me, bartender! Could I have 2 Tarantulas shots, a Thirty-three, a Mellon Collie cocktail, a Cherub on the Rocks, 3 Siamese Dreams cocktails and 9 Bullet With Butterfly Wings shots, please?"_*

[@quantumfineartsandfossils2152]

He's great friend with Alex Jones did you ask him about their awesome friendship?

[@NothingCompares2U]

I got the Mr. Freeze toy and was completely in love with the film as a child. I remember the 2 SP songs the most, I loved the soundtrack and those 2 songs still stand out to bring back some great childhood moments. Music brings it to life, to me.

[@cmrguitar1137]

I understand his criticism of Batman and Robin since I feel like everybody has the same opinion lol. But watchmen?! I’d love to have a nerdy superhero talk with him and ask him what he didn’t like about it

[@tentsio]

If he loves the Watchmen comics as I do I can understand. Specially it´s this way for the old folks like me who were reading those comics when they came out in the 80´s. It´s not an awful movie but it´s an awful adaptation for many of us.

[@jnnx]

He’s right. Sit down, Watchmen the movie was extremely B minus. I’ve noticed people that like it have an unhealthy parasocial relationship with Zack Synder…

[@cmrguitar1137]

@@jnnx Lame generalization, but ok lol. Zack Snyder sucks and so has the DC Universe for over the past 10 years 🤷🏻‍♂️💯

[@mercurymachines4311]

Great story. I think he's being a little harsh on the Watchmen film lol, it's way better than almost every other comic book film.

[@gramoulzlu]

Awesome, thank you so much for sharing this!

[@Speedy-pf5tm]

Such a good storyteller. And songwriter! Corgan is just a legend

[@chairmanm3ow]

I played the fuck out the Batman & Robin soundtrack so the Watchmen trailer immediately took me back.

[@foodank_atr817]

There's the real punchline at the VERY end.. Wow this story was Norm level meander.

[@charlesrocks]

I've lived long enough to witness Billy Corgan become an old man.

[@palmtreewhisperer]

Congratulations 👏🏻

[@danielhenderson3753]

That Watchmen trailer thrilled me precisely because I loved that SP track and I doubted that anyone noticed it was from Batman and Robin. So epic.

[@Rschr101]

I noticed son.

[@jamesmacdougall2694]

I noticed immediately. It was the darker, heavier, b-side of the movie from Batman and Robin, on a movie depicting a darker, heavier underbelly of the superhero genre. It was an absolutely poetic choice

[@mr.wildcat405]

Yep. It's a better version IMO.

[@timvanboening9432]

George Clooney is Rosemary Clooney’s nephew, not son. The Watchmen movie was no where near as good as the comic book. That thing was brilliant. I watched the extended cut, or unrated, or whatever it was a few years ago, and it wasn’t so bad. The movie needed a giant fake space alien squid to destroy New York like in the comic. I will say Rorschach was spot on perfect, though.

[@andrewhudson7108]

Rosemary Clooney was Miguel Ferrer’s mother. Making Miguel and George cousins. Also Jose Ferrer was technically George’s uncle briefly through his marriage to Rosemary.

[@GPlewright]

Yes, the Watchmen tv series showed it (the giant squids) could have and should have been done.

[@jnnx]

The Watchmen movie was extremely mediocre, Bill is right, that trailer was brilliant, and made the movie look a lot better than it actually was.

[@timvanboening9432]

@@GPlewright exactly. That series exceeded my expectations.

[@Tyler-nn8gk]

The best movie I seen with Clooney is out of sight

[@breezy8061]

Became a lifelong fan of watchmen and the smashing pumpkins because of that trailer

[@DESTRUCTIONKATCHUP]

I just listened to both those songs again recently and I still like the slow version just as much, sometimes even more than the fast one. Depending on my mood. But when that soundtrack came out, I listened to The Smashing Pumpkins tracks more than any others.

[@NESADDICT]

Is it bright where you are, and have the people changed, does it make you happy your so strange… loved that song

[@HerrMissionar]

Awesome story! listening the rocky version of the song since the last hour. yes, shitty movie, got it on VHS (or used to when I was a kid) but damn good song. On my top 3 of Smashing Pumpkins... Thank you Bill for this story and your rage, the memories and also the story of there and back again with the lost fender guitar. They all are pure joy! cheers!

[@davidaaronartist]

Prince knew in what he was getting into and he enjoyed

[@nocturneJOJO]

Prince didn't have to share credit with other artist though, he made a full album. ;)

[@nocturneJOJO]

I'm still thankfull to Batman & Robin for making the eleven years old me discover the Pumpkins, along with '89 and Forever those were my first CDs ever and I still have nothing but love for them. Also while agree on everything he said about "The Beginning is The End is The Beginning" being underrated and yet part of one of the greatest trailer of all time, I disagree on the movie, Watchmen was awesome, not as perfect as the graphic novel, but as close as you can get for such a direct transposition and complexity of the story (300 & Sin City were more faithful adaptations but the plot was also much easier to condense in a movie). That said, even if The Beginning is The End was always my favourite of the two, The End is The Beginning has probably one of my all time break in music, at about 2:40 in it slows down for thirty seconds of pure musical beauty.... And I admit I almost broke my mother's stereo as a child rewinding the track just to relisten to that part... xD!

[@jnnx]

I’m glad I was in high school when “Gish” “Siamese Dream” came out…

[@gggggloze]

Batman Forever and Batman+Robin soundtracks are full of amazing music!

[@chrish8904]

listening to this legit made me laugh

[@mikeoppart]

The Watchmen trailer was amazing though

[@glennwelsh9784]

The songs they made for that movie were far better than what that movie deserved.

[@MultiSweener]

I'm 60. Billy and I traveled through the same time on this planet. We were here.

[@Northernmight]

Billy looks like a sailor. I dig it. I hope he keeps the beard on tour. I bet he'll be able to do something fancy with it to make it look all impressive.

[@scottshingleton7659]

Nah he looks better without the beard.

[@PhantomFilmAustralia]

If he shaved it "Guy Fawkes" style, it would suit him.

[@chalkbunt81]

" Billy, end credits is destiny".

[@TheGutiarGuy0]

Billy's starting to look like Creed from the last episode of the office lol cool story

[@mikelouis2118]

He should dress up as Santa for a tour

[@inphanta]

It would make a change from dressing as a Sith Lord.

[@mikelouis2118]

@@inphanta hahaha, true.

[@smashingpumpkast]

Thank you for uploading this!

[@asterginete3812]

I love the movie and that soundtrack is amazing!

[@Firebrand1967]

The Watchmen film was a phenomenal masterpiece.

[@amirmurray9916]

Yes i dnt understand the hate that movie gets..underrated tu aak me

[@westcoasthighway379]

Yes the Watchman was amazing

[@nderohan]

All I remember from it is one big blue massive shlong!!

[@nclsrfn]

it's a great movie

[@TheSpecsShow]

I might actually prefer that slowed down version of 'Beginning is the End' that they used for the trailer, too. It seems to heighten the drama of the song somewhat, although the original is still great

[@MisterMcKnight]

the song he's talking about is one of my all time favorites from them

[@palmtreewhisperer]

Seal ? 😂

[@otomostubeofficial2697]

The trailer for Watchmen was my first exposure to The Smashing Pumpkins. I watched that trailer over and over again. Was a fan of them from there on out.

[@SatansSimgma]

The sound trac for Singles turned me on to them back in 90 whatever

[@GoodMrDawes]

Glad he did it. What a corker of a rock song!

[@capnjames]

Love the Watchmen version

[@peterporker7803]

I Like the fact that he admits that movie sucked a great story love Billy and the pumpkins.

[@FTarquin]

That song is awesome!

[@BidensTaint]

I still love this man

[@jvon3885]

It's so crazy seeing him in a grey beard.

[@KillingMrFusion]

I love both versions of this song. They are so much greater than the films they were used in. I enjoyed hearing that Billy and I had the same viewing experiences here.

[@TheUnalteredMyth]

Lol I’m a movie guy and I got in to The Smashing Pumpkins through Batman And Robin and Watchmen. They are my favorite band and also my first favorite band ever - they are how I got in to music 🤘🏽

[@burresseffects]

I’ll never forget being 13 and going to the theater for Batman & Robin. It was my first cinematic disappointment, but I did have the soundtrack, which was pretty great. Especially the last track (beginning/end/beginning), so it’s super cool to hear him speak of that version with such affection. Same with that Watchmen trailer! We’ll just casually avoid him giving clearance to Kevin Smith to use 1979 in Clerks 2. (Yikes. Shame on you, Kevin.)

[@negativeindustrial]

WTF are you talking about? 1979 worked perfectly for that scene.

[@califcamper]

Billy always speaks his mind, and to be honest anyone could make a song for a batman movie, especially a bad one

[@lueysixty-six7300]

Anyone could make a song for a Batman movie....?? OK let's hear yours...

[@bodhi1271]

It makes me feel so old seeing him with a grandpa beard.

[@01bgunnell10]

Smiling Santa

[@jerryaubert6201]

Anybody remember 90/91 Northwestern Univ had "Armadillo Days". I still don't know what it was supposed to be. Pumpkins were crushing it at Double Door and the like. Made a special effort to go see them. The band outnumbered the crowd!?! How do you leave something like that? It was 2pm w/ the sun beating down. Turns out Armadillo Days has a lot to do with hallucinogenic mushrooms.

[@Bangcat]

And yet both are still so much better than much of what's put out these days.

[@PerformanceArt19]

I love this song…

[@jonvia]

Santa with Butterfly Wings

[@Ryuhza]

Glad he feels that way about the Watchmen trailer. Got me interested in both the movie and the Pumpkins.

[@rejeanlau]

That was awesome.

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

That movie is a fun romp! A lot like a broadway musical mixed with a Batman movie... Hard to have bad feelings about something so fun and colorful and theatrical...

[@jutjub22]

This is the their best song in my opinion - Zero and Butterfly come close, and Ava Adore.

[@antnycruzr]

Looking like Billy Burr

[@amalgamated6448]

I always look forward to the ending of Batman And Robin, just to hear the song🤌🏽

[@shottheband]

Beginning is the end is their best work

[@Wargasm54]

Chris Kringle looks weird without his hat.

[@michaelhart5087]

oh wow this was released on my 32nd bday!

[@jordang7717]

“Eye” is my favorite Smashing Pumpkins song.

[@taintedlife2618]

I love that song so much.

[@cousinishalfbionicle1236]

That song was one of the best things about the '97 movie

[@bionikball75]

Bill Burr - the folk years

[@standinsilence]

Longtime fan here. I love Billy but he's really got a big mouth sometimes. Calling the Watchmen movie "a piece of sh**" is pretty silly even as a joke. It's definitely one of the best comicbook adaptations I've seen.

[@SPLIFFZPUFFZ]

GREAT tuning story.

[@cicolasnage5684]

I was a fan of watchmen before the movie came out. I was blown away by the first trailer but the movie as a whole is at best a misunderstood masterpiece. 2 big mistakes 1: Matthew Goode as Veidt/Ozymandias- He was nothing like the comic book counterpart, Veidt was supposed to be a very warm positive guy at the start and when he turned it was a shocking revelation. But Goode played him really odd and oily, and added that dopey German accent just because the characters parents immigrated as a child. And the costume was just good awful and Matthew Goode was severely anemic looking when Adrian Veidt was a built, muscular and chiseled guy. And number 2 the lack of the squid: why? Why blame it on Manhattan for? It took away from the whole paranoia of the story to just simply say oh it was because of dr Manhattan and not leave in the core mystery. I really hated that Snyder didn’t leave the philosophical discussion between Manhattan and Veidt: nothing ever ends is so iconic instead that nonsense of Veidt getting his arse kicked by night owl. That wasn’t the point Moore was making, Snyder was just smashing toys together but Moore was showing us the moral ambiguity of Veidts crime. I still enjoy the movie but it would have worked so much better as a long form multi season hbo or Cinemax show

[@Godmil]

He's not wrong, that trailer is amazing.

[@FUY735]

Sorry but "Watchmen" was an amazing movie. I love the pumpkins but diva Billy actually calling and bitching about getting only one minute of your song in the credits is gay

[@alexlight4178]

Glad billy and i are on the same page about watchmen

[@RajHK8]

Thumbs up for mentioning Arnold

[@knightsonofjack]

Man Billy's got huge hands, good for a guitarist.

[@stevegrez]

I f***ing love bearded Billy

[@PhiberOptik1979]

I don't know about the rest of you, but as a Batman fan, i try to forget this movie existed. Thanks for bringing it up and ruining my day? :( lol

[@just_delightful]

The first time I watched Watchman I was severally bored - I gave the full version a shot recently and it is truly and amazing movie.

[@antiochiaadtaurum3786]

i notice any time someone does Billy a favour, or says how much they like siamese dream, or gives him a place for his song in a movie, he goes on to say it's a shit movie, or the fan is useless for not liking his other albums No it's not a good story Billy, but so long as you're happy being toxic and talking about billy billy billy

[@xybervox]

Agreed. He seems like a douche from this video. Both movies are wonderful. He got his song in the end credits, so what is he complaining about? Very rarely is a whole song used for the end credits.

[@bandsivefilmedlive]

Awesome story

[@reynaldolunajr.6909]

That watchmen trailer was amazing.

[@tyty-fg2qm]

fuck man, the pumpkins are so good its insane

[@brianigfddg472]

He looks like Rob halford in this video

[@criminalmindsgirl2936]

Everytime I hear the slower version of the song. Instantly think of Watchmen. Watchmen was a masterpieces in my mind.

[@tamathawalden2037]

Only better Superhero movie is " Kick Ass " !!! 💋💋💋

[@HamStrokersEjacula69]

Eye is 100% my fav pumpkins song.

[@MichaelForde521]

Anatomy is destiny.

[@jesusmartinezcruz3543]

He looks like Sócrates in the thumbnail

[@Delboy219]

Billy Corgan looks like the Santa from Ernest Saves Christmas

[@americanpancakelive]

I really like Billy.

[@ustheserfs]

BC needs to a Rollins style "talk to the people" tour with guitar

[@Chudhole]

The Watchmen is a great movie.

[@NomadFlow]

Exactly. I was with Billy until he said that.

[@lawrencewalraven5137]

I went there last June and wondered if he ever played there.

[@LAURASFEZZ]

So good