Billy's 4 strand braid setup

How to spool up 4 strand braid for power casting with a multiplier

[@Diane-NewNomads]

Sitting in Norway on a fine morning tying BFs on a new rod. Thank you Billy for another informative and helpful video!

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Anytime Diane. Glad you liked the video. thanks , see you on the beach Brother 😁👌

[@neil.23]

Hallelujah !! Finally someone else fishing braid on a multiplier. I fish a SLOSH 20 with braid, everyone say I'm mad, but I never had an issue. I fish rock edges and skeers in Northumberland so not power casting, just short libs of 50 to 70 yards. Nice video brother, tight lines, neil

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi bud. Yes! It's a game changer. it makes fishing more fun, and more productive. It's just the best, thanks Brother 😁👌

[@1998TDM]

Lol, I come from Blyth but now live in NZ, cut my teeth on Blyth beach. A mate took me out recently for a fish and he nearly feinted when I pulled out my Abu 6500 loaded with braid and fired lures all over the place with no dramas. Happy days!

[@mrlee7963]

Ive been using braid about 20 years now on multipliers and fixed spools, i love it and have never gone back to mono, ive only ever used berkley whiplash 100lb straight through, knot to rig body is always doubled up slipknot making a small loop at the end of the line, can either pass that through the eye of swivel or rig clip a couple of times or tie another 4 turn slip knot (with 8 lines in it due to being doubled up) If ive ever got a crack off its nearly always the swivel ig body that breaks. Its expensive to start with to buy but the rigs\leads you save and reel in from having that extra strength saves so much money in the long run, not to mention the pro's of using braid already discussed. Ive not had any troubles casting it, but that maybe down to this specifc braid as it appears to have a waxed layer over it. Love the channel btw Billy, one of the best on the tube, tight lines.

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Yeh, braid is the best. Thanks Brother, see you on the beach 😁👌

[@carldawson832]

Hi billy you ok mate. Another good vid , well exlpained . Keep your tips coming billy you never can have enough can you. That looked a nice tranquil spot you was at. All the best billy from grimsby uk.

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Thanks Carl, it's a lovely spot, there are lots of sea trout, nice to see them swimming around 👍👌

[@stephrusty3055]

Billy nice presentation as usual bud 👍

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Thanks Steve, stay safe Brother 👍😁

[@geef9027]

Talk about perfect timing Billy. After watching your vid's I'm a convert and I'm going to give the 4 strand braid a go, It's due for delivery tomorrow. I wasn't sure what shock lead to use or how to tie it but now I do 😁 Thanks for another master class, brilliant!!

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi Graham, if you have any questions just ask, it's no trouble, thanks brother 😁👍

[@geef9027]

@@Billyfishing_watch Hi Billy, hope ya well. In your video you explain the braid must be wound on under tension but what happens if I were to lose the business end of the line, weight etc. Would it be the case that it would have to be rewound back in the same way, say when I got back home, un spool it then wind it back on under tension. Thanks in advance, Graham.

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi Graham, no it's ok, just apply tension with your fingers instead and keep winding, and if you pull for a bark don't point the rod at the sang and pull the line will dig in to the spool and it will cark off the next cast, pull for a bark with a pulling stick, hope this answers your question Brother 👍😊

[@geef9027]

@@Billyfishing_watch Thanks for the quick reply Billy and especially the advice. I'll make sure there's a pulling stick in my tackle box should it happen. Cheers. 👌

[@enniscorthyboy]

Good work mate. 👍👍

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Thanks brother 😁👍

[@SOMERSETBEACHFISHINGtony]

ahh brother billy , i will try that knot out i mainly use the double albright for braid i dont normaly have problems with my knots but i will give that one a go mate , hope all is well billy all the best from somerset uk

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi Tony, one day ,I will be in Somerset agin some day, maybe we'll have fish and some Cider, thanks Tony fish on Brother 👍😁

[@Coolguyfishing123]

Nice I will try this thanks from the usa

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi Daniel, and thanks Brother from Norway 👍😁

[@robertnicholson8456]

Hi Billy great tutorial video as always mate I use 80lb 4 strand braid mainline and 18ft of 70lb mono rubbing/shock leader with a 4-7 turn grinner and 4 half hitches, and with the mono tag end I blob it with a lighter before synching it tight then cut tagend of braid close down then fold it back along the knot then apply a drop of stupid glue as I call it, as I kept glueing my fingers together with it hence the name stupid glue. Tight line's, fish on and carry on brother... Oh and it's just a single grinner I use.

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Thanks for the info Robert, and your support, sounds like a killer setup, fish on Brother 👍😁

[@TheBlueCassidy]

Hi Robert, thanks for the info I just started playing around with this type of set-up and have experienced some heartbreak with wind knots.. 😶😶 I think because I'm using 30lb 8strand strain onto 50lb mono leader... Can you tell me if you have the same trouble with thicker 4strand and the 70lb mono leader? Thanks man

[@robertnicholson8456]

@@TheBlueCassidy I just use 80lb 4 strand and don't need to go any thicker or any heavier than that. And the knots I use has never let me down.... The line snaps before anything else

[@08dangler]

Another great edit m8 👌

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Thanks Brother 😁👌

[@castersfishingwales2038]

Awesome buddy!! I was cringing when you used the glue, ha ha was so hoping you stuck your fingers lol!!! or your jeans to your leg like I have done lol!!!

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Now list here !!, Mr Caster this very, very important work I at doing for the fishing community, and I will have you known that I almost never stick my fingers or toes together,😂🤣 thanks Brother 👍😁

[@Nohandleneeded101]

Thank you so much!!!

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Any time Scotty Brother 👍😁

[@Arfabiscuit]

Very nice

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Thanks Brother 😁👌

[@darrenmall7963]

Nice place 👍

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Lovely lot of or sea trout 👍😁

[@adrianbryant7342]

Very interesting knots Billy i shall try and practice them as they will be better than the ones i use 😊

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Thanks Adrian. Hope they work out for you, if you have any questions. just ask 😁👌

[@crustybear]

Man that Penn International is one damn sexy reel. Love your vids, thanks a lot. Awesome to see how people from a different background fish, your hybrid irish south african style has drastically influenced my fishing style:) But I will fight you on the 100% knot :P there physically cant be a 100% knot. Even the FG isn't a 100% knot and your BF knot doesnt beat the FG in terms of knot strength. Also I think you are too pessimitic, a good knot from a mono line to a swivel isn't 50% line strength, it's way above that.

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi bud. Glad you enjoyed the videos, and I really appreciate your support. But the debate about 100% knots is just a difference in the way you look at it. For instance, assuming the mechanics of a knot are 100%! For example, the knot was tied properly, designed properly. Then there is no issue with the knots. So there is but one entity left! The fishing line. My point is, there's no such thing as fishing line without a fault somewhere in it. And they're the problem lies, it's not the knot 🤣 and your statement about my not is knot is not as strong an FG, this also depends on who ties it. I have tested it and it is! On my statement about a knot being only 50% the strength of the main line, I did say around! The videos have to be as short and to the point as possible. Thanks Brother 😁👌

[@johntaylor4035]

Nice presentation and a seriously cracking knot one I’m going to try on my set ups 👍🏼

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi John, and thank you Brother. If you have any questions just ask 😁👍👌

[@johntaylor4035]

@@Billyfishing_watch cheers buddy il hold you to that 😀

[@user-qz5bk6lr6e]

just rewatched as thinking of using braid. how did you make the knot puller.also how do you workout how much backing to have.

[@Billyfishing_watch]

That video is on its way, thanks Brother 👍😁

[@kf8575]

Been very tempted to give braid a go on my Penn Fathoms, but always shy'd away from it, due to being told it can cut right down into itself, causing problems casting, and possibly damaging the reel. But might give it a go out of curiosity, and just go gentle as far as casting goes to start with. Am guessing will be better going for a 0.32 (ish) diameter, rather than 15-18lb BS like i do mono lines? Also a stronger leader than 80lb due to the no stretch?

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi KF, there is no problems with that, just as long you keep the line tight when you are spooling. If you can snagged up when fishing, don't pull for a break the old way. Just rap the line around a stick and pull, this way the line will not dig in to the spool, follow this link for a quick example of what I mean. Thanks Brother 👍😁

[@Billyfishing_watch]

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[@fishfinder9364]

Billy what knot do you find best for tying the braid to the spools thanks

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi, I use it as a leader knot, and connecting two pieces of line. Thanks Brother 👍

[@mikeburgess-cw1ts]

Hi Billy, can you attach the 4 strand braid onto a mono backing using your BF knot? cheers brother.

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Yes you can! Thanks Brother 👌

[@mollythemagic3584]

Now then Billy. Has the braid helped in casting distance over mono? I don't have any rough ground round me it's all clean sand and I need to hit the horizon. Ta bud.

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Yes it does, to the horizon and beyond. Fish on Molly 👍😁

[@TheBlueCassidy]

Just wondering Billy mate.. does the BF knot work for braid to mono?

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Yes it does 👍👌

[@FamasFTW98]

would the allbright knot be good for 30lb braid to 80lb braid ?

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi bud, the first knot I use was the unproved allbright. But the normal Albright is no good for 8 stand braid. And the allbright is not a 100% knot! Which in my eyes does not work well enough. 👍

[@gavinlangford2984]

Great video..i have been using fixed spool and braid set up.. are you using 50lb braid for both backing and main?? I used a mono leader for tope but could just braid be ok for tope??

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi Gavin. In the video I refer to the backing as a bottom shot. This is because it's fishing line that I use. The line is 50 pound eight strand, 0.25. this way I can get over 300 meters of line on the reel. Sometimes I fish really deep water, 200 to 300 meters deep. For deep sea weirdos 👍 yes the leader is fine, if you're worried about abrasion just make your rigs longer. Thanks Brother 👍

[@gavinlangford2984]

@Billyfishing_watch thanks..and 50lb for main line? I tend to use mono bottom shot or is braid bottom shot better?? Is 4 strand better than 8 strand on fixed spool too or just multiplier for rough ground?? Also hiw much top shot and bottom shot??

[@comprehensiveoutdoorsjeffh5246]

Billy When you tie your BF Knot, braid to braid, mono to braid, braid to mono, do you always make the loop in the weaker of the two lines? The stronger? Please advise! Thank you, Sir!

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi bud. You always make the loop in the heavier line, so the lighter line can tie around it. This way it will not cut itself. If you tie to a heavier line around the light line, cut itself! Or just slide off the end! Hope this helps. Thanks Brother 😁👌

[@comprehensiveoutdoorsjeffh5246]

Thank you, Sir! If you’re ever in Washington State let me know and we’ll shore fish for Coho Salmon.

[@Billyfishing_watch]

@comprehensiveoutdoorsjeffh5246 I will look you up, if I make it over👌

[@mikeburgess-cw1ts]

Hi Billy, can you explain the correct way to set up the spool end float on my black/gold diawa 7ht millionaire tournament reel. Not sure why it has a dial on the left hand side of the reel when it has centrifugal brakes and no mags, cheers brother.

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Sure Mike. Just tightness until this no more play. Then slacking It off, till there's just a hint of side play on it. That should do the trick. Thanks Brother 😁👌

[@mikeburgess-cw1ts]

@@Billyfishing_watch Thanks, will give it a go and see how I get on, tight lines.

[@bollapiggsvin]

Hey Billy greetings from Norway. What length of leader do you use here? Cheers

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi. The leader needs to be about 40cm longer then you're fishing rod plus four turns around the reel,👍😁

[@dongle_dangler]

Hey Billy, would this work for lighter braids like 30lb? I was struggling to hold bottom with 50lb and 7oz recently on a clean bottom but that may have been down to user error.. Ah never mind, just seen you other video with the 35lb and daiwa 7ht Thanks so much!

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Brother, I was just going to send that link 😂 just remember this only works with 4 strand braid. Thanks bud😁👌

[@dongle_dangler]

@@Billyfishing_watch I’ve just been out experimenting with your setup with good results. Hope you don’t mind me mentioning your channel for people to learn from on my video. Thanks Billy, looking forward to testing this out on some rays. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4Wmg3uQlq2bZ9U

[@sables40]

hello billy, I have 2 Penn TRQ 100s. But I can't figure out how to mount the 2 pairs of washer voltage (18 C) on the tutorial. the photo is not explicit enough. And no matter how much you search the forums, I can't find anything for this model.could you tell me or show me how to mount his two pairs of washers? thank you

[@Billyfishing_watch]

So it the spooler for the line you are talking about?

[@mikeburgess-cw1ts]

Hi Billy, can you use your BF knot to connect 20lb mono to a 70 lb shock leader?

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi Mike, no . But follow the link, and the here will be a knot at the end, thanks Brother 👍

[@Billyfishing_watch]

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[@mikeburgess-cw1ts]

@@Billyfishing_watch thanks mate, just watched your video with the mink and the coal fish, great stuff, cheers .

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Thanks Brother 👍😁

[@gavinlangford2984]

Hi Billy..I love using braid... since I switched from mono a lot of anglers don't recommend it to me because of its lack of stretch but that doesn't bother me, and once you get used to braid it's an absolute godsend. The only time I use mono is say like 30lb mlstraoggt through close in for conger..anything to do with casting it has to be hraid.. I use 8 strand bit is 8 strand better for bottom shot with 4 strand top shot and 120lb leader??

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi Gavin. Could not agree more! But it's great for conger too. Much better than mono, your success rate will more than double. Thanks Brother 😁👌

[@Billyfishing_watch]

I only use the eight strand bottom shop for Norway, because of the depth of water in some places. For example, sometimes the water is 250 m deep. And then it's nice if you can get 450 m onto your reel. 4 strand braid, is more abrasion resistant. But has a higher diameter than 8. I always use four strand for leaders, because of his abrasion resistance. 👍

[@gavinlangford2984]

@@Billyfishing_watch So in the UK do you use 8 strand right through then 4 strand leader??

[@gavinlangford2984]

@@Billyfishing_watch When you are using 50lb braid 8 strand in the UK do you still use the same method of using a longer bottom shot ie backing then 150m or so of 8 strand top shot to a leader or just one shot of 50lb straight through to a leader. Your method in the video makes sense as regardless weather you use a 150m or 300m of top shot it is cheaper in the long run to just replace the top shot and do not really need to touch the bottom shot?

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi . The 8 strand goes only on the bottom! 4 strand go on top! You will not be able to cast otherwise. I fish that way because the water is so deep in places in Norway! You will have no use for that in the UK. If you're trying to save money, just put some monofilament under the 4;strand.👌

[@reecearmstrong2986]

Hi Billy, Do you use 120lb braid or mono for your shock leader?

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi Reece, this set up is for rough ground and big fish ,it can handle a fish well over 100lbs. The main line is 50lbs ,and to keep the integrity of the main line, the leader knot needs to be ,what is referred to as ,a 100% knot, the bf knot is mine. So the rig can only be tied with a standard knot, the leader needs to be more than double the strength of the main line, because a standard knot, breaks at about half the strength of the of the line. We good, thanks Brother 👍😁

[@Billyfishing_watch]

The leader has to be braid , because mono do not work well with braid, it makes wind Knots 👍

[@reecearmstrong2986]

@@Billyfishing_watch Thanks for taking the time to reply Billy. I mainly fish on beaches atm but I’m going to start fishing more rough ground marks so I’m going to give your setup a go. Keep up the hard work Billy, Tight lines brother!

[@Billyfishing_watch]

@@reecearmstrong2986 thanks Reece👍

[@dazlee3257]

Hi Billy, I wonder if you could help me... I always used Berkley crystal on my lure rods but it's expensive so I've got some 4 strand Daiwa J braid... Was filling a reel this afternoon and every so often I came to what looks like a joint, is this the norm these days with multi strand or have I got a duff spool?

[@Billyfishing_watch]

No! j braid is no good 👎

[@dazlee3257]

@@Billyfishing_watch OK thanks buddy, I thought it didn't look right👍 can you recommend a reasonably priced alternative or maybe I'll just have to go with the old faithful Berkley.

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi Daz, All the line is made in china, and I can't recommend a name brand because I don't use them. They are too expensive and the quality isn't any better than what I get, so if you find me on Instagram or messenger I will send you a link, also I think you should change the 8 strand for lure work. Don't go to things I would just cause more problems, me personally. I like to use 20lb mostly everything, it's very thin very strong and it gets a job done 👍

[@dazlee3257]

@@Billyfishing_watch Thanks for your time, really appreciate it, I don't do social media, I'll find something. End of last year I got a small spool of Hercules cheap as chips just for a mackerel rod and to be honest it was miles better than the J braid. I normally use 30lb because no need for distance where I go and get more gear back. 👍

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Ok, have a look on AliExpress the line is called, Joff👍

[@smashy152]

why 8 strand as backing instead of just 4 strand all the way and tie one less knot?

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi Ashy. The reason is, some times I fish in over 100m of water, And the 8 strand is much thinner then 4 strand, And if I then cast a 100m or more, I will have no line left on the spool. Also when I replace line, I only have to replace the top line which is cheaper. Hope this helps you out, thanks bud👍😁

[@TheBlueCassidy]

Hi Billy, thanks for sharing the knowledge. Funny enough I recently chucked some 30lb braid on my FS and Multi reels and tied them straight on to 50lb shockleader... Now I see why this isn't possible after about 6 break-off when casting 😅😅😅. So you use a braided shockleader aswell with the Braided mainline from what I understand..? Is it possible to use a mono shockleader if the mainline is thicker and 4 strand such as as 50 to 100lb braid 4 strand mainline to say 50-80lb mono shockleader? Just thinking perhaps mono has the superior abrasion resistance and some serious shelves and gulley's where I've been fishing lol 😄

[@Billyfishing_watch]

This set up is designed for pendulum casting with multipliers. I have had absolutely no problem fishing rough ground with it. If the ground is really heavy, I tie 60 cm of 80 lb mono onto the end as a rubbing leader. Most of the time the rig body takes the damage. I show the benefits of the knots in the video and explain why this set up is compatible to a 100 lb 4 or 8 strand braid set up. With this set up most of the time the rig body breaks instead of the leader or the main line.

[@01devilboy]

KOOL knot looks a bit like a modified Albright knot

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi Devilboy, I did use the modified Albright, but it did not hold up to the punishment, so if you want a job doing do it yourself, thanks Brother 👍😁

[@glennmcloughlin1233]

What reel is that Billy ?

[@Billyfishing_watch]

It's a peen torque 100

[@glennmcloughlin1233]

@@Billyfishing_watch thanks dude

[@Billyfishing_watch]

@@glennmcloughlin1233 any time Brother 👍

[@wanderingminstrel1768]

Hey Billy, Where do you buy your braid? What brand is it? Cheers

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Hi buddy, the braid is JOF, I buy it in bulk from China, from AliExpress, I have seen it on eBay to, thanks Brother 👍😁

[@wanderingminstrel1768]

@@Billyfishing_watch Perfect, thanks Billy. 👍 You'd recommend 4 strand over 8 strand for casting?

[@Billyfishing_watch]

Yes I do , for MULTIPLIERS 👍

[@wanderingminstrel1768]

@@Billyfishing_watch Thanks brother, I'll get 4 for multi, 8 for FS. Cheers, 👍