Billy-TX | Atheists Have Terrible Arguments | Talk Heathen 06.15

[@adropofgoldensun27]

Billy's outrage is hilarious. "You've strawmanned me into confusion"😆

[@DrowSorcerer]

Billy is strawmaned and hits itself in its confusion!

[@jacksimpson-rogers1069]

His definition of Evolution is entirely faulty..

[@carolinusTG]

Lmmfao, I read this so long before he said I thought you were having a laugh at all the times he said strawman prior, then he feckin said it and I died. 🤣

[@tsunomat]

No... He's right. They do strawman him and do a terrible, terrible job of answering his question. They keep talking about random mutation and not answering the actual question. He's asking how environment plays a role in evolutionary mutation. They just keep saying random mutation over and over again. I totally understand why he's frustrated because he's asked them a very simple question and they won't answer it. I've watched hundreds of hours of this show and they are far and away the worst that I've heard so far.

[@carolinusTG]

@@tsunomat try to catch it this time, the environment is what drives the random mutation. The life that evolved around the equator in hotter, sunnier environments drove different random mutation in it's inhabitants than the colder, generally less sunny environments. Life evolved deep in caves generally have no pigment or eyes, many different types of creatures developing similar mutations in similar environments proves this. When you watch jeese lee peterson repeatedly misunderstand that apes don't evolve into humans, yet continue to keep asking if anyone has ever seen an ape evolve into a human, you have to get that repeatedly asking a question that has been answered, it's not up to the hosts asking for people to call them with proofs, to be giving everyone who calls a grade 5 science education before debating them, education is up to the caller, in both learning what they want to debate and what they want to advocate for.

[@idunnomanigotnothin]

Billy- String of insults and condescension Hosts- Rational, coherent answer. Repeats his phrases back to him. Billy- You're strawmanning me!

[@Jimmy-up2xk]

What on earth strikes you as rational and coherent in believing in a supernatural invisible being with zero evidence for it?

[@idunnomanigotnothin]

@Jimmy-up2xk buddy. You're missing the point of the comment. The HOSTS were being rational. The caller was a nutter

[@MichaelDeakin-or8yu]

Clearly he was not burdened with an abundance of education...

[@DruidGoblin]

@@idunnomanigotnothin shhhh, stop strawmanning Jimmy lol (It's a joke, just to make it clear)

[@talismanalchemist6440]

Billy: "You constantly mute me, and drone on and on and on, and never shut up!" Katy: "Yeah Billy, the thing is though... I am gonna mute you again." I'm in love with Katy.

[@alshotrodsandratrods8780]

You don't call in to a call-in show and tell the hosts to shut up. Does Billy think it's his show?

[@arndnaj]

​@alshotrodsandratrods8780 billy is just short of tambourines and elephants are playing in the band level of insane.

[@burningmisery]

​@@alshotrodsandratrods8780 He's called in so often, he thinks he's a host of AXP/TH/etc.

[@tarayarizzo6602]

“We’re so scared of your real argument we’re having to deflect” absolutely fucking sent me 😂😂😂

[@verdatum]

Agreed. He wasn't even able to respond with an attack to that one. Honestly that was one of the only points where he could have said something like "well, now you're just being a condescending dick" and it would not have been _entirely_ without merit. But he was pressed so starkly face to face with the completely miserable nature of his whiny victimization counter, such that he was completely incapable to reuse it yet again, he needed to reboot. Then at least, he responded with 2 points, the first was practically a tautology, and the 2nd, regarding the position of the majority of scientists regarding the mechanism for evolution, was both shifting the burden of proof, and trivially simple to counter, with no need to survey every scientist. I almost want to say it was so trivially refutable that they actively didn't want to use strong arguments against it when he first mentioned it, and didn't even address it this second time. Not just any, but every introductory biology textbook concretely declares random mutation as the vector for change. It is effectively impossible that this assertion be so completely ubiquitous in teaching material if if it was merely a marginal fringe theory. The guy clearly heard about the effort to collect signatures in the 1970s, it's still open, and to date, only has a few thousand signature from the pool of anyone with even the slightest of technical backgrounds, whether applicable to evolution or not. Meanwhile, another study, that only accepted responses From from life-science degrees, and they had to have evidence that their name was "john" and sorted to bind to that criteria. Even though the other pool was maintain, until inderh overtook it in a matter of days.

[@absquereligione5409]

“Are you f*cking muting me” 🤣🤣 Yes Billy, suffering will make you strong. You should be grateful to the host for helping you to grow some character.

[@wizardoffrobozz]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🥰

[@miguenzo]

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger

[@jaege]

Lol. Now that's funny.

[@johnscaramis2515]

US-Christians tend to think they are persecuted, so at least now he has a reason for feeling this way...

[@christopherianlister5212]

@@miguenzo like sexual abuse (something I haven't been the victim of) er... don't think so...

[@hauntedrob6993]

The combination of Billy being toddler-level grumpy and disagreeable and the hosts not being phased by it is quite satisfying.

[@Jaxcooley]

For me it was the opposite I swear this call permanently raised my blood pressure the level of paranoia and anger from Billy stressed me out lol😊

[@fetB]

​@@Jaxcooley i'd even go so far to say that his emotional outbursts are not so much that of a toddler but rooted in strong oppositional feelings towards women

[@MrBevoRules]

It's like Billy heard someone say "strawman" in a debate, and decided to show everyone his new toy.

[@pdav1285]

Yeah, he definitely has a confused understanding of what a strawman is.

[@nicklauderdale6163]

😅😂😅😂😅😂

[@biekgiek]

indubitably

[@thespicablethinker7950]

I thought the same exact thing

[@claudiasolomon1123]

Billy: Answer my question!! * Hosts answer his question * Billy: *STOP TALKING!!!!!!*

[@communityrags6048]

@@tedgrant2 He's awful, there's no denying... but our hosts are enjoying skewering him almost without him realising it... and his personality and innate tone make that SOOO satisfying and enjoyable to watch

[@liranpiade4499]

I was waiting for him to go "SHUT UP LADIES AND LET THE MAN SPEAK" or something like that

[@claudiasolomon1123]

@@liranpiade4499 I'm 70% certain he had his phone in 1 hand, his dick in his other hand.. . furiously wacking off his hate-boner.

[@darksoul479]

I'm a disabled veteran. Suffering didn't make me strong it gave me complex PTSD that haunts me every day of my life. I'm so strong that I can't even go to the grocery store without having a panic attack.

[@kerribeari1337]

But you're still here, that's pretty freaking strong in my opinion.

[@darksoul479]

@@kerribeari1337 thank you. I needed that.❤

[@dabssauce1198]

Hope you’re doing well stranger!!

[@cassievining340]

The battle may never end in your mind, but each day you claim for yourself on this earth is another victory. May peace find you with time.

[@smilefrownupdown]

😢

[@toddsheridan1733]

I love, love, LOVE watching people laugh in the face of irrational anger. This was glorious.

[@EllasPOSEiDON]

Me too. 😂

[@meridianheights6255]

Gets old very quickly though, because it's always the same.

[@bms77]

@@meridianheights6255I agree, callers who make laughable arguments definitely gets old

[@josiahgittman1268]

its one of (if not the) best response to irrational anger.

[@RaulPerez-jj5jj]

When Katy told Billy they were scared of his main argument and now he can destroy them, had me dying 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Nocturnalux]

There was a pause, almost as if he was unsure whether they were serious.

[@danumd87]

I haven’t listened yet. I’m so excited!

[@dr.leeaberle3606]

Fucking boss level classic. She called his bluff and he sputtered. This dude is beyond fragile.

[@Mewse1203]

That was SO good....

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@dr.leeaberle3606 Absolutely 💯 %

[@pdav1285]

Billy: "My argument is just because the universe is hostile doesn't mean there isn't a god". Katy agrees and then proceeds to explain that what she meant with a previous call about a hostile universe only applied to specific gods. Billy: "Who cares?"

[@kennyearthling7965]

I guess once he's defeated he has to disregard the argument. Talk about sour grapes, eh?

[@tegtomtob]

This is one of the best calls ever. The hosts handled the callers aggression beautifully. Great work ladies

[@idahogie]

Agree. I've listened to it a half-dozen times.

[@teresaamanfu7408]

I think Billy is just a 🥱👿 cos I don’t want to believe that he is that stupid

[@dx1450]

Personally I would have hung up on him and his aggressive stupidity.

[@greenjelly01]

I'm sure a lot of that aggression was because the hosts were women. "How dare a woman question my assertion..."

[@smartburning]

This guy needs to be put on a watch list. He's completely off the rails.

[@larryjohnson9737]

On the contrary, this is hilarious!! this is why 99% of us tune in to TH!!

[@timsmith1581]

Somebody this fucked in the head is dangerous

[@jimd6641]

Exactly what I thought. He sounds dangerous.

[@petezipardi4022]

Gotta admit that I'm morbidly curious to read his manifesto.

[@evilprincess3307]

Billy Needs a Strong Powerful Man to make him feel Like a teenager again. Lol Someone who will slap him in the Ass HARD!!💕

[@MrJaster45]

Billy obviously suffers from anger management issues. Yet, you both handled that situation and argument perfectly.

[@Alresu]

This "suffering makes you stronger" stance explains why Billy likes to call in and humiliate himself.

[@ImmortalLemon]

Read that like 30 seconds after I got to that part in the video and I spit out my drink laughing a little bit. Good job

[@CycocelVocalist]

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[@Ryanthebrobdingnagian]

Lmao

[@JayMaverick]

Katy is so impervious to provocation, it's hilarious how infinite her patience is. 🤣

[@33roses]

Word

[@cheintze1]

I don't know if it's an English thing but she has a talent for meeting aggression with amused, patient condescension

[@MattCrawley_Music]

She deals with a lot of abuse online really well

[@pabrielgomez8563]

She sounds a LITTLE bit like a man.

[@MattCrawley_Music]

@@pabrielgomez8563 totally uneccesary weird comment

[@TheGunguy461]

Hosts: Hey Billy- Billy: I NEVER SAID MY NAME WAS BILLY! STOP STRAWMANNING ME AND DRONING ON ABOUT WHAT MY NAME IS!

[@BertRussell4711]

I want to rename this video, "Zen and the Art of Neutralizing Hostile Idiots." Well done, guys!

[@zekebuzby67]

Loving this response.

[@louistournas120]

@@zekebuzby67 But we need to challenge those little .......... That was my favorite line from the caller.

[@starrystarrynight52]

Caller is a narcissist he was angry because they dared disagreed with him and projected on them. I love how the hosts handled him, lol.

[@unvoicedapollo3318]

I also get the feeling he doesn't like women with even the slightest modicum of power (talk show host not having that much...)because they definitely gave him equal opportunity to respond after they responded to him. Maybe a short attention span too.

[@Stoater1]

He can't handle smart, funny women.

[@arthurzetes]

He’s a troll. He’s been on before

[@unvoicedapollo3318]

@@arthurzetes my favorite thing is then is how Katy & Genevieve couldn't help but laugh

[@Apanblod]

No, he's so obviously a troll that it isn't even funny. How do people, including the hosts, still believe this guy is for real?

[@expatriate40]

Katy: "If you were God you could make it so not suffering makes things strong." Billy: "WHAT?!?!?!?!"

[@BlueLion1996]

20:16 - FYI

[@Mumble8988]

Billy: Whines and complains about them straw manning him Also Billy: Proceeds to straw man the hosts

[@hassansyed5036]

Bill is the most triggered caller I’ve listened to. Every time he talks he’s having a temper tantrum.

[@digbycrankshaft7572]

Stupid people are often angry because they don't understand anything and feel defensive because if it.

[@pdav1285]

Dude, you're strawmanning Billy. j/k

[@JimmyJamJack]

He actually just seems fake, and playing a character

[@AvaEFF]

He was triggered before the even said anything 😂

[@Earthling247]

I know I’m way late, but living in Texas, this is the level of confident stupidity I deal with all the time. Well done by the hosts.

[@elCaxi1971]

I, as a dane ( from and in Denmark) am baffled how you can live with that.. I would´ve moved as far away as possible asap. I Truly don´t understand how you live with it.

[@Mehki227]

​@elCaxi1971 America is the definition of insanity . We're fat, stupid, ignorant, and think we're #1😂😂😂

[@amirswanson6243]

I’m in Alabama, and this is about 95% of the population here too

[@trumpisastump9382]

I love how these hosts handled this angry theist. Without themselves getting angry or defensive and keeping a great sense of humor. EXCELLENT JOB!!!

[@ivanpetrov5255]

I think they were too confused with what is happening, that they had no chance to get angry. What was his point? Whatever the answer is,, you just strawmaned him 🤣

[@Ken-mn2nh]

trumpisastumpisagreathandlewelldone!

[@JayMaverick]

Every time Billy calls he sounds like he's on the verge of tears, like he's been deeply insulted and he's keeping in the rage. Go express your anger somewhere, Billy.

[@TheSnoeedog]

it's actually the sound of four inches of blue steel straining against his zipper so hard that he can *ONLY WISH* to be Ben Stiller in There's Something About Mary, when he has his......zipper malfunction (HOLYEFFIN'OMG!!!! One of my balls started to throb painfully just thinking about what that zipper-wreck looked like....a sort of sympathetic, partial castration....but I digress) he's had blue balls since the moment of his birth, when he crowned, already crying, blubbering about what a victim of atheist bullying he is, peppered with the words "Fuck, Dude! Not an explanation... & I've been hanging with intellectuals, *STOP PICKING ON ME!!!"* ....and until he stops getting out of bed just to spend the day greeting the world like an angry, veiny, purple headed erection that (I assume) walks on two legs and speaks from time to time, *HE'S NEVER GONNA GET OFF!*

[@Nocturnalux]

As someone who, when very angry, also get teary, I agree. It’s uncomfortable, can imagine dealing with him in real life?

[@jayvansickle7607]

That's his secret... He's always angry.

[@EliteTrainerKenway]

You can just feel that this is not the first time Billy's been laughed at by a woman

[@CycocelVocalist]

💀

[@Mehki227]

No he's been laughed at plenty and he's really really really pissed about it.😂

[@LOH__]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@EricWBurton]

Seriously! This is perfect

[@JAM609]

Angry theists like this just prove how unprepared they are for an argument or conversation

[@AProudDad]

Perhaps, but it certainly shows the personal connection formed to a tradition. Or as a legend once said, "it's their favorite toy."

[@maxine2798]

Unprepared for life. If this is how they act and react, how do they cope with basic activities in life?

[@grantwing4942]

But he has debated the greats apparently

[@NeverTalkToCops1]

@@maxine2798 By praying?

[@OverlordShamala]

Apparently, they expect that any proclamation they make, will demolish the theory of the evolution just like that... somehow. And expect that we will agree to their argument just like that. Then they insert their favorite God they were born in.

[@Stasiaflonase]

Billy is such a charmer. Also a stable genius.

[@LillyTheLonelySock]

Lol. You know, while I was listening to Billy and his hostility towards _ANY_ criticism - particularly by women - my immediate thought was that he's probably a _huge_ fan of other self-reported "stable geniuses."

[@arndnaj]

His instability is troubling.

[@CronoXpono]

@@arndnaj Troubling? I dunno, Billy sounds EXACTLY like the guy who stands up at the bar, tries some shit and gets kicked in the face. *shrug*

[@arndnaj]

@@CronoXpono he also sounds like incel mass shooters.

[@JB-yb4wn]

Bigly so, with all that covfefe he drinks.

[@toryalyn]

“Stop whining, make an argument”💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@iamgod3411]

Katy and Genevieve handled this so perfectly. A refreshing blend of tragic comedy and conversational professionalism.

[@shanewilson7994]

Yup, he wants to act like a child so they treated him like one.

[@BRUCEJJ66]

Amen!

[@trevorporter4776]

" We don't want you strawmanning us Billy". Classic, on point, brilliant.

[@johnzackarias11]

I think the best part about this is how Genevieve and Katy just *know* that their polite and calm approach to the conversation must be driving this guy absolutely mad. You can tell they're having fun.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

This is like two pretty cats toying with a very angry and ignorant mouse.

[@noormiah2225]

Pretty? Really?

[@wizardoffrobozz]

so fuckin' insightful. thank you for a hearty belly-laugh.

[@wizardoffrobozz]

@@noormiah2225 yeah. they're a couple of pretty women. gorgeous. But when they start talking they're 100% honed intellect and it instantly distracts from their appearance and thrusts me into critical thought.

[@noormiah2225]

@@wizardoffrobozz the delusions of the pagan atheist is hilarious.

[@bharathdeva9407]

@@noormiah2225 said the faceless person.they look pretty maybe u dun have a mirror at home it seems

[@idahogie]

Funniest moment is at 13:26: Katy: "We don't want you strawmanning us, Billy." Billy: "Wait, what?"

[@craigleblanc1334]

Billy is the human equivalent of a cat chasing a laser. These two are merciless.

[@wilberwhateley7569]

Yeah - he *almost* got it, he just needs to paw at the laser on the floor just a bit faster...

[@istvansipos9940]

that was offensive to cats.

[@alexisglaab2572]

This guy just learned what "Stawman" means and wants desperately to use it in a sentence.

[@jquest99]

@Slavery is Freedom, War is Peace Stop strawmanning him!!!🤣

[@tiagoscherer1158]

you are such a "strawmanner" hahahaha jokes aside, that's exactly what I thought of this little fella. Like a 2 year old that learned a new word :)

[@ivanpetrov5255]

@Slavery is Freedom, War is Peace He learned the word, but not how to use it.

[@michaelfulthorpe1910]

That's exactly how he came across lol

[@klaxoncow]

Inconceivable!

[@thisisntmybirthname]

Im convinced that Billy was a 3 year old child yesterday who wished upon a star to be all grown up and it worked. A 3 year old mind in an adult body.

[@photozel]

The amount of patience you show these people is amazing. Thank you!

[@meloveAi]

This is like two daycare attendants dealing with a tantrum-thrower. Billy just keeps shouting Strawman and Projection, and even whining while he's given the chance to start over. And who the flim-flam in their right mental state thinks suffering makes people "strong"? Edgy edgeboy over here, apparently.

[@krisaaron5771]

Notice how their arguments in favor of suffering never include THEIR suffering? And I seriously doubt if Mother Theresa, a big proponent of other people's suffering, ever missed a meal or slept on the sidewalk.

[@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00]

Without pain, suffering and sacrifice, there is no growth. We would stagnate as a species if they didn't exist.

[@meloveAi]

@@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 Except according to the context of the argument, the metaphorical god could've made a universe wherein suffering isn't a requirement for growth. But I half-agree with your statement. It's true that pain, suffering and sacrifice aids in the growth of an individual, a group or the whole species, but the downsides of scars being left behind due to that suffering is greater than the benefits. That's why we have things like suicide, mental illnesses, and therapy for the suffering that individuals had to endure. Some didn't come out stronger, they came out broken down and in need of help.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

@@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 Some broad and undefined claims there man. Pain and suffering is pretty self explanatory but sacrifice? Do you mean of people's lives or their time? Entire cities have been built without pain, suffering and sacrificing lives and I would call that growth. Growth of a species. What does that even mean? There are many areas that are heavily overpopulated, is that growth?

[@OCON06]

@@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 Many who are in a more privileged state, like Buddha was before he ever saw a sick person or a dead person, have great educational and health opportunities...no pain, suffering or sacrifice in the picture, and yet so much growth. In fact, buddha taught to distance yourself from pain and suffering (by avoiding attachment) in order to have more growth.

[@tomterific390]

The two of you being calmly amused in the face of his spluttering rage is absolutely priceless. He owes you a callback to thank you for making him suffer -- by his own logic, that should have made him "stronger."

[@jexelbur6872]

“If suffering creates strength, why is there suicide?” THANK YOU. I have depression as a result of “family dysfunction” and I have been suffering the consequences since. So for Billy to say “suffering makes you stronger” makes me pissed off. He has NO CLUE what people endure who actually suffer. And some people that survive the suffering are no stronger than before they suffered. But thank you Genevieve for what you said and pointing out the flaw.

[@ZER0--]

Billy is a very very angry man, and definitely more hostile to life than most of the universe. And he swears a lot.

[@dx1450]

He's an excellent representative of Christianity or whatever religion he believes in.

[@smilloww2095]

@@dx1450 he said he's not religious though

[@tacobell2009]

Who fucking cares how much he swore? It's not the swearing that made Billy a fucking moron.

[@smilloww2095]

@@mycinnamongirl Yes

[@whispersmith]

I think if he called in to Matt, we would have seen the world's first fistfight over video chat

[@andreaferrara1969]

Every time this guy calls into one of the shows I swear he is on the verge of crying because he’s so upset. Dude could benefit from therapy.

[@b.lonewolf417]

Well, damn! 🤣 Now I'm just curious to see other videos of him calling into the show...

[@AlienAceCat]

You two are so chill, that man child was baiting you sat back and let him expose his ignorance and immaturity. I'm inspired. Also, i want you two to be gods, your universes sound fantastic!

[@emilymiller1490]

Billy's been calling into the show/shows for years and has never accomplished anything other than crying about how terrible everyone else's argument is, he's got to be a masochist if he's still enduring what he claims is such utter torture. Grow up Billy. You've acted like a petulant child every time you've called but this one was by far the worst

[@teresaamanfu7408]

Billy is just a Boring troll.

[@MovieMakingMan]

It’s sad how Billy uses his one phone call a week from prison only to be humiliated and embarrassed in front of a huge audience. With his hostile demeanor it’s amazing he hasn’t been silenced by a fellow rightwing inmate.

[@evertontho]

Is Billie a scientist? In the field of biology that is the understanding.

[@kinglyzard]

Billy is a semiliterate bully who should be banned from the show, "dude". 😆

[@amyv8416]

He's devolving instead of evolving. Poor Billy. Losing neurons with every call.

[@callmeflexplays]

Billy's been calling these shows a long time and he's finally boiled his view down to "you can't prove it wrong so it's right." At least he's being honest. Laughing at this manchild is the right response.

[@uncopino]

as soon as it starts with “we’ve got a theist caller, billy from texas” you know it’s gonna be good

[@realkanakamaoli]

Oh Billy, you're so grumpy. And angry, definitely angry. Listening to you get butthurt over and over was hilarious, thanks

[@dx1450]

He definitely doesn't make me want to join his religion. I prefer to be a chill atheist than a hostile, angry Christian.

[@charlescheeseborough298]

This is one of the funniest calls I have listened to in a long time. Billy is a complete loon. 🤣😂🤣😂 Billy needs to call in every week. I need the laughs.

[@Apanblod]

He's a troll..

[@marshallwayne9270]

@@Apanblod that makes him even worse and even stupider

[@hpawebster65]

"Youve strawmanned me into confusion now"...😂😂

[@jadistucker2073]

This might be my favorite Talk Heathen clip EVER

[@idahogie]

Agreed.

[@jamespeterson7125]

Former Mormon here. When I was serving a mission for my church, I had occasion to speak to someone about why God created man in a fallen state. He said that God created man to worship him and that by making us so that we would need to be saved by Jesus/himself, we would worship him harder. I told him that I don't want to worship a megalomaniac like that.

[@louistournas120]

I recently said that Jesus gives conflicting messages. A christian responded what conflicting messages? I posted lines about turning the other cheek, give to the poor, take off your shirt, telling people not to throw stones at some lady and in some other lines, Jesus says to harm homosexuals, he talks about Lazarus and a nameless rich man that goes to hell and is being tortured, Jesus says he wants to crush people in a wine press and blood will flow all over the place and the part about witches. So, if those guys are your enemies, then why isn’t Jesus turning the other cheek? The christian kept asking what conflicting message. Finally, I said, don’t worry about it, don’t think about it, just keep worshipping. Their brains are gone, it is on permanent vacation. I have spoken to probably over 300 theists, mostly christian, so far. They are all the same. For a while, I was trying to learn about mormonism. Apparently, it is crashing pretty hard. Is that true? A bunch of former mormons were saying that 66% of their family have quit. The amount of scientific evidence against mormonism is enormous yet, there are 12 to 16 million mormons? Oh boy!

[@jamespeterson7125]

@@louistournas120 While parts of their brains may be off on vacation, I like giving them little reminders to come home; that worked for me. It really came down to finally recognizing that I was applying a different way of thinking to religious or "spiritual" things and that just doesn't make sense. And it is so funny about how conflicting the bible can be. A person can cobble together an argument to support tons of conflicting positions by only selecting the verses they want to and ignoring the others. It's always funny to hear a person try to explain why it's okay to ignore the verses that don't agree with them. I do think that there is certainly an acceleration of people leaving the Mormon church, in part due to accessibility of information that has been around for a while e.g. the "CES Letter" that has been around since 2013 is being discovered only now by a lot of people. As for the membership count? It's highly inflated and maliciously targeted. Targeted because the growth of the church is high outside of the U.S., especially in other countries where information access and education may not be as good. Inflated because it is only by members on record, not by active members. I've been out for just over two years and I'm still on the records. They make it hard to remove yourself and I haven't cared to because my wife is still in so they'll bother me anyway. A person could be 50 years old, have been baptized at 8 and never gone back since and you're still being counted toward their membership count.

[@louistournas120]

@@jamespeterson7125 I think when it comes to religion, there is a conflict. Part of being human is wanting to survive. Leaving the religion often means that you are left without a god, without a heaven and you accept that you are just a biological machine that is one day going to break down. At the same time, people want to know the truth. They want to be sure that what they believe is true. For example, apologists. YEC apologists invest a lot of time claming that science backs up there claims, that there was a flood and on Ararat, Noah’s boat has been discovered by many teams, etc. Mormon apologists do the same. The claim that the book of Mormon is a special writing. That there is a match between Mayan civilization and the j people. A lot of christians have told me that they want to be saved, they don’t want to risk going to hell. Basically, they are using the Pascal’s wager. They have never heard of Pascal’s wager it is easily recognizable in the words they use. A couple of them told me that they don’t accept microevolution and don’t accept macroevolution. Most YEC seem to accept microevolution (small changes), that way, they can believe that there is a few hundred subspecies of beavers and that the Noah’s boat had 1 male and 1 female. Even if you tell them about the evidence, they are not willing to accept it since it means throwing away their religion and accepting that they are just biological machines. A small portion just seem to lack the skills. They are not good at logic, math. It doesn’t matter how you explain it, they will just not understand. Kent Hovind is that type. Flat earthers are that type. I started reading the CES letter but other things got in the way. That is an example of a guy who values the truth more than saving himself. I had heard from ex-mormons how hard it is to remove your name. There is an organization that helps with that. Apparently, the mormon priests bother the apostate a lot. Also, family members turn against you so a lot of them don’t tell their families that they are apostates. One lady said she had been an mormon apostate in her thirties. She didn’t tell her husband. I think the husband died at 80. She still didn’t tell her family until she was in her 9x. I read about Thomas Stuart Ferguson. How a Mormon lawyer transformed archaeology in Mexico-and ended up losing his faith It is true. Information can destroy a religion but I think it can never fully succeed bc there will always be people who are very emotional and a little less rational.

[@cryptofacts4u]

Billy strikes me as the kind of guy that likes to gladly talk about how women are too emotional 😅 And then proceeds to cry and whinge and scream and get super emotional at the drop of a hat

[@pdav1285]

Dude, you're ugh, ugh, ugh strawmanning me, I mean Billy, again. And and and, of course I, I mean Billy, got emotional because ugh ugh ugh they kept droning on and on, and and and strawmanning me, I mean Billy, over and over with completely ugh ugh BS arguments so much ugh ugh I, I mean Billy, got totally f'ing ugh ugh confused.

[@markdayell61]

We really need a "Dude: The Best of Billy" compilation.

[@martinkuliza]

No... The best of billy being Strawmanned LOL i think Strawman is billy's new word of the month

[@MovieMakingMan]

I hope Billy goes through anger management classes while he’s incarcerated in the Huntsville Prison in Texas. He’s a rageaholic.

[@IanM-id8or]

As an abuse survivor I have to say that no, suffering does not make things strong. Suffering makes things injured. Being supported and loved makes things strong

[@NottherealLucifer]

While I largely agree with your point, it isn't perfectly true. Yes, when we're talking about strength of personality and mental health, love and support is what makes people strong, but that isn't how strength in an evolutionary sense is defined. Abuse flat out doesn't make anything stronger, but plenty of other seemingly bad things do. In terms of evolution, passing on your genes as many times as possible is all that constitutes "strength." A serial rapist in a society that doesn't allow abortion, is strong in the evolutionary sense, which is why it's a useless metric. I'm an asexual, not only am I never planning to have children, I don't even engage in the act that creates them, according to evolution I am not only weak, I'm a failure. I think that a metric in which rapists are strong and people who literally will never rape anyone are weak, isn't a metric Billy or anyone else should bother bringing up.

[@CycocelVocalist]

I feel this

[@barryhandahl8965]

You two are dealing with this DUDE with such calm and smoothness... I love it....

[@spinav8r]

Billy (from Texas) is a perfect example of why I sometimes lose hope for humanity. These two guests, however, do indeed give me hope.

[@irrelevant_noob]

Aren't they more like hosts rather than guests? ^^

[@spinav8r]

@@irrelevant_noob - I was thinking in terms of "guest hosts," since I thought they were helping fill in for the regular hosts. However, I am probably wrong. I usually am. That's why I'm a loser.

[@NottherealLucifer]

​@@spinav8rIt's okay, pal, we're all losers, it just takes some people longer than others to realize that fact. I also lose faith in humanity constantly, despite essentially having zero faith in it at all at this point. We just have to go watch videos of kids winning science awards or nerds screaming in happiness because some new show is announced or something, as a form of mental palate cleansing.

[@Deadman1000]

​@@NottherealLuciferwhat in the actual f×ck are you talking about? 😂

[@darkblood777]

I've watched this video three times already and it never gets old. Billy is a treat.

[@janbuyck1]

Hé vaguely heard something about a fallacy called “ stawmanning “, and now he thinks that when someone says something he doesn’t agree with is that person is strawmanning.🤣

[@AProudDad]

"I don't think that word means what you think it means."

[@jamessantos9861]

Theists do that very often. A new one I’ve seen used is the “science of the gaps” fallacy. And they misuse “ad hom” constantly, among many others.

[@dwightdhansen]

@@jamessantos9861 If you drink a shot every time Billy committed an ad hominem fallacy by the end of the video you'd of died from alcohol poisoning.

[@larrysmith4071]

Katy: "If you were God you could make it so suffering wouldn't make people strong." Billy: "WHAT?!?!? THAT'S RIDICULOUS!"

[@zachrichardson5581]

Can't make this shit up bruh wtf 😂

[@josiahgittman1268]

Billy: you disagree with me?! you must be a fucking idot!!!! god, confident ignorance is the fucking worst.

[@garyk1334]

Billy just got a foretaste of what hell is like as he was slowly roasted from beginning to end . 😂 Beautifully done ladies 👏

[@andreasplosky8516]

Billy is so out of his depth, but he is good at being condescending, due to his overactive Dunning-Kruger. I have to give him that.

[@Apanblod]

If he was a genuine caller I'd agree with that.

[@zacharyshort384]

@@Apanblod What are you insinuating?..

[@Apanblod]

@@zacharyshort384 That he's a troll.

[@brucebaker810]

If I had a krugerand For every time I encountered an overactive Kruger gland.

[@donweller3525]

Billy the misogynist does not accept the arguments of "mere women. Well done you 2

[@kathyheyne6030]

That was my read, too. Can’t help but feel he wouldn’t have behaved like this with male hosts. At the same time, I suspect he doesn’t call when males are hosting the show.

[@jimbradley5832]

Love the idea of wormhole water slides to visit other planets.

[@tiffanyrowland5571]

This has to be one of the most painful clips of the show. Katy and Genevieve are better humans than me.

[@TheySavedSoldeedsBrain]

I'm Billy and I win arguments by saying "strawman" and swearing for Jesus.

[@Samyy136]

Christians say atheist are sinning but they swear a lot lol

[@ItsSageof]

I'm an Exchristain. Sunshine and lollipops is a pretty good creation. Suffering doesn't have to be apart of creation. You can learn all kinds of things without pain and suffering.

[@RaulPerez-jj5jj]

Genevieve and Katy are such a great duo. These two were so entertaining! 💯😂😎 Billy didnt make a good argument at all, strawmanned them and decided to claim they strawmanned him when they didnt, he tapdanced, and then didnt like their responses. He deserved their fun.

[@Rage867]

Just watched the clip where Billy called talk heathen and even though the hosts were very passive with him he acted like he was getting hurt and scared because he was talking to men. When he starts here he just comes out with anger and hate, disrespecting their opinions with no counter argument, just because they are women. But he flinches at the calmest comments from men.

[@scottmoore7588]

This call in a nutshell: Billy: "What does 1 plus 1 equal?" Hosts: "2." Billy: "UM EXCUSE ME WHEN DID I EVER MENTION THE NUMBER 2 WOW ALL YOU DO IS DRONE ON AND ON AND MAKE UP STRAWMAN ARGUMENTS!!!!!!!"

[@josiahgittman1268]

pretty much

[@EricOosenbrug]

yep. That's about it

[@EyemBobbyMom]

*Terrance Howard has entered the chat

[@MichaelDeakin-or8yu]

Depends... Alphanumeric or Roman Numeral? ;)

[@jamiemawer4865]

Has Billie's therapist suggested he try to talk to women, but by phone until he gets the hang of it?

[@dx1450]

Billy's therapist likely needs a strong drink after every session with him.

[@PastelOddity]

@@dx1450 You think Billy has a therapist?

[@TheMewzak]

@@PastelOddity What if Billy IS a therapist? :O

[@joyfulzero853]

It's ongoing therapy. It's going to take time! A lot of time.

[@perplexedpapa]

What an absolute ass he made of himself!🤪 He wasn't even trying to have a civil conversation. 🧐 Y'all did well! Thanks! ✌️🖤🤘🖖

[@TheSnoeedog]

if you enjoyed that, do a search for "atheist experience billy" and you'll get like 5-10 clips where he's called in to the line, talk heathen, AXP, .... at his finest, he'll give you the impression of a floundering 3 year old in the deep end, trying desperately not to drown, in spite of my foot on her head. At his worst, you'll wish the hosts just put him out of his misery by setting him on fire, and figured out a way that we (the audience) can enjoy the show!

[@dougcastleman9518]

I agree with the first point, but I think they should have let him go much sooner.

[@zacharyshort384]

@@dougcastleman9518 Why? So he could save face? Screw him lol

[@anure1134]

"Ya'll"'s mother's ass.

[@baiwem]

Just saw this. I would welcome an entire series of the 2 of you converse with Billy once a week. This is so entertaining.

[@oldmanaz.6811]

"You don't have an argument against God" Demonstrate the God you claim then. That is my argument.

[@zacharyberridge7239]

He fundamentally doesn't understand what Atheism is, and it's obvious. I don't need to provide an argument for, "I don't believe in any God claims that I have ever been presented with.". That's it, Billy boy.

[@rayvelazquez2687]

I couldn't get past the 10 minute mark. You two have far more patience than I do. All Billy did was whine and bitch like a little baby the entire time claiming this his little feelings were hurt because he can't clearly make a valid, coherent point.

[@meloveAi]

Oh, it gets even worse later on, when he actually gets to share his points.

[@rayvelazquez2687]

@@meloveAi then I'm glad I quit when I did so I can spare my brain cells. 🤣

[@dadaseyi]

They tend to go into a rage when the first point they make is dismissed so easily they wonder to themselves, am I stupid? They hate that feeling. They immediately jump to insults after that.

[@JessBlake2]

Ray Velazquez, the call is great because Katie and Genevieve were masterful at putting him in his place. He was angry because he couldn't intimidate them.

[@Reason1717]

You ladies are absolutely right about strength. Any one can get upset. Being level headed and calm is the true talent. Love you ladies. Billy needs to present far better to be taken seriously.

[@synthuaxed]

His bizarre claim that most scientists don't believe that random mutation explains evolution was enough to make it clear that his points were going to be based on ill-reasoned opinion rather than fact. The guy had no idea how a discussion of ideas works.

[@aprilk141]

Well random mutation is only one side of things. You also have selection pressures from nature and environment. Course this ninny muggins doesn't seem to know much about that either.

[@armando8800]

@@aprilk141 isn't selection pressure what the hosts mentioned on environments guiding mutations? Selection pressure would be that in a given environment, some genes are favored and thus survive and reproduce. Unless you meant artificial selection.

[@wanderingtravellerAB99]

@@aprilk141 yes they made that point too.

[@artistryartistry7239]

I honestly don't understand why they didn't hang up on his ass.

[@aprilk141]

@@wanderingtravellerAB99 right on, I might have missed that part, but we were largely just talking about the caller? Anyways, have a good one :D

[@verticaladventure5762]

So Billy is advocating for difficulties to make one strong... And yet he can't even handle two very polite hosts that challenges his position... What does this say about his strength?

[@ren17x50]

His mommy said he's tough and strong......so there

[@zacharyberridge7239]

That he's weak, he knows his arguments for his beliefs is stupid, and being a wanker is his only approach.

[@kaiza6467]

It’s like those people who brag about how they’d totally run into an active shooting bare handed and karate chop the perps. But in real life children would laugh at him because they beat him up and stole his pants. 😂

[@NotALiberalSoSkipTheScript]

That’s the lot of these guys. They’re spoiled so what they mean is that’s fine for OTHERS but not him. He should always get his way.

[@NotALiberalSoSkipTheScript]

@@kaiza6467 “We need to teach our kids to run towards the shooter and tackle him. Sure other peoples kids would die but only a couple.” Followed by: “I don’t like people learning things that aren’t flattering to me!”

[@steveyuhas9278]

This is Billy's best call ever 🤣🤣. He's such a tool I can't stop laughing 🤣🤣.

[@Pohgrey]

Holy shit. Billy cried and whined about being strawmanned because they were trying to figure out wtf he's on about, then immediately strawmans them... Billy, Billy, Billy.... he never fails to make me laugh

[@AngryBoozer]

“What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” I really wish Hollywood would stop propagating this bs notion. What doesn’t kill you usually incurs a fortune in therapy costs.

[@Wheres_the_money_lebowski]

Christopher Reeves was very much not dead and definitely not stronger after his accident.

[@pechaa]

Yes, exactly - it’s Hollywood. It’s all those ridiculous cowboy movies made for Boomers. They think the movies were more real than real life is. As they get older, it’s all they remember. My fellow Gen Xers often aren’t much better.

[@cameronchristensen9174]

That's hilarious. "We are so scared of your main argument that we are deflecting."

[@harrisonmckenzie8357]

I remember this guy and his "flawless syllogism" from a while back.

[@RobAGabor]

He's been around a long time.

[@sister_bertrille911]

Yeah. Billy is a repeat offender. He is perpetually offender that no one is buying his ID crap.

[@LaRossaSelvaggia]

Yeah, and he’s off his meds again.

[@JayMaverick]

Ah, that's the one. "It's flawless."

[@LuminesBreezer--]

I was wondering if this is or was the same Billy from then. His last one was about vaccines or something like that too.

[@petrosmichael5140]

First comment on KZbin I've ever made. These two women made me sooo proud to be an athiest, and is a tutorial on how to deal with any supernatural claims let alone religious claims. Absolutely 😂 😃 Hilarious 🤣😂😅.

[@PaulThomas-qb9cx]

Congrats on joining the world of KZbin comments! Be mindful that you are likely to get lots of trolls and angry people replying. It can be draining. But sometimes there are fruitful conversations. Personally, I've turned off notifications of responses, because the toxic attitudes of many don't benefit me. Instead I just offer the occasional compliment or cheers to folks. Best wishes!

[@ahh_yes_mr_bax]

These two were entertaining, polite, calm, unnecessarily respectful, and really knife edge accuracy in addressing a specific topic or claim. They were genuinely having fun with how silly the caller’s aggression is and im here for it.

[@AK33M]

This callers sounds like a spoof character in a South Park episde. 😂 his anger is preposterous

[@dienekes4364]

I think Billy is just projecting all of his shortcomings and then throwing a tantrum when he isn't all taken at face value.

[@stobe187]

"strawman fucking strawman strawman fucking fucking strawman" wow billy, amazing stuff

[@ziggy4thefacts441]

Billy heard a rational argument in person and felt so diminished that he thought he'd call for thousands to hear.

[@Solstng]

I've noticed this in theist and right wingers a lot. You give them space to speak and explain their views and all they do is bitch about being silenced. The only people silencing them is themselves because they know they don't have good reasons and are to embarrassed to admit it.

[@arthurdossantos6826]

It's simply because they'd rather feel pampered and special than face the facts. Conservatives always believe in magic and some cosmic hierarchy, even when they don't believe in gods. Look at Joe Rogan - all you have to do is to say they're big and smart and they'll believe every bullshit you say.

[@MovieMakingMan]

Reich wingers are the dumbest species to ever inhabit North America. Amoebas are more advanced than reich wing republicans.

[@Pincsi01]

Soo true, I've known a complete nutjob who could only say that "I don't speak up because what I say is 'controversial' because everyone else is sheep"

[@rG1vZ]

I'd say both left and right wingers do often play the victim, just in different ways

[@hy-roller7771]

Yeah, they really hate it when you poke holes in their arguements as they make them. "Wait a second, man, you didn't let me finish. When you hear the whole thing it makes sense." "Yes, but if the parts are flawed, the whole arguement falls flat." "Dude, you just don't understand what I'm saying." "No, I don't think you understand what you're saying."

[@RcMcNutt]

Jesus christ, I'm dyin over here watching this! 🤣 That dude was raging LOL! And you handled him brilliantly.

[@mgj944]

I love these ladies

[@rayxav]

As soon as Billy said, “… you will not shut up…” they should have hung up. He’s a whiner with 1000 assertions and ZERO evidence. If I had a show, people like Billy could never get on a second time without lying their way on.

[@NubianNarrator]

He's a b****

[@lordlaughypants5889]

I think it's a good teaching video because it 1) Shows callers how not to act & 2) Shows hosts how to stay chill. If the hosts had just let him speak for 5 minutes straight after the first time he complained about them, does anyone think he would have said anything different? No, he would have complained more about them talking.

[@rayxav]

@@lordlaughypants5889 exactly. Even if they have him the entire show and let him go on and on, he would complain that the topic is too big or they simply don’t want to understand. Amazing how confident people with zero research and poor sources can be.

[@LoveProWrestling]

But they "strawmanned him into confusion"...he was powerless to repel their strawman onslaught. Lets agree he was right and the smart guy winner, and maybe he wont seek revenge for the L.

[@bpdmf2798]

Why? This type of shit gets clicks. Hanging up would just make the show more boring and whatever ideals you think you or the hosts have, clicks are the real god deciding all outcomes.

[@LeighAnnMiller]

Billy sounded like he was suffering from listening to you guys “drone on” as he put it. So I think you guys made him strong and did him a favor. 😂 Billy needs a chill pill

[@iansavage1666]

"Its our show, mate". Perfect response.

[@SupremeSquiggly]

10 seconds in and Billy literally sounds on the verge of hysteria. He is clearly not even able to listen or think critically with that level of hysterics. His sheer lack of self awareness to accuse the hosts of having bad arguments while giving bad arguments is amazing.

[@Doctor180185]

Probably one of the most entertaining guests. 'Damn you women with your own opinions, how dare you have the nerve to disagree with me' 😆

[@pdav1285]

I hate callers who complain continuously instead of just making their argument. I think it's often done by people who have a script about how they think the call should go and cannot recover from variations of the call so they just moan and complain.

[@feedingravens]

They are told when they believe they OWN the truth. And as they OWN itr, there is no need to ever formulate it. And in his cult bubble all agree that they own the same truth, and agree that they NEVER talk about it. And in the moment they step outside the bubble of nodding heads, and hve to express WHAT they own, they fall apart. It is all not more than a product (that makes addicted) that they are told by professional advertisers they cannot live without, that only this brand (the specific preacher that sells the drug) can deliver this pleasure, and they are all in. Just think of advertisement for a beer or some sweets, same strategy, same promises, just on another level.

[@simonditomasso9868]

The guy spent more time crying than making arguments smh

[@mariopantoja8259]

I can listen to Genevive and Katy drone and laugh at me all day 🥰