Joe-PA | Earth Did Not Come Out Of Nowhere | Talk Heathen 06.29

[@FourDeuce01]

Joe: “I’m not calling in to argue.” Right, he called in to lie about what other people believe and to make claims he can’t prove.🤡

[@nagranoth_]

How dare you force the caller to have a conversation? He called to preach and be dishonest.

[@Garfieldlysanya]

They let this guy “look at the trees” for entirely too long. The dude is literally marveling at incredibly natural and explainable processes and attributing them to a god. He also continuously dodged when they brought up the salient points that other religious texts also exist. I love Katy and Johnny, but they let way too many opinions of this guy sneak into his arguments unchecked. They addressed some at the end, but he’s just gonna “agree to disagree” and live in ignorance because it’s comfortable

[@nelsonvecchione2621]

we all came from FOX NEWS.

[@jdtown6585]

Ya but him looking at the trees too long and the hosts knocking him down like the clown he is was quite entertaining.

[@axe6279]

Maybe he should look at the flowers instead.😉

[@illithidinfidel2464]

"It's called 'faith' for a reason." Yes. And the reason is that 'faith' sounds better than 'I'm gonna believe stuff for no reason". "Have you read the Bible?" Yes. That's what first made me an atheist.

[@Anonymous-md2qp]

I like that. “I’m gonna believe stuff for no reason.” That is exactly what they are doing.

[@TheSnoeedog]

someone wrote once (this isn't mine) : Atheism is what happens when you read the bible. Theism (or *religion* ...I can't remember) is what happens when someone reads it for you

[@steveswangler6373]

yes it's called faith for a reason, the same way it is called stupid for a reason.

[@brucebaker810]

They might cite a book that says faith is wishes and invisible evidence (paraphrased). I don't disagree. I do disagree that it's valuable at all, much less an Elevated Thing.

[@G_Demolished]

It’s a never ending source of amusement that many people who vehemently deny we’re related to monkeys appeal to things like trees and bananas as evidence for God.

[@Goldarlives]

😂 that’s pretty funny, man

[@jacksimpson-rogers1069]

Dafter than that, are the folk who expect an infinite afterlife but think the Universe is younger than the oldest Indian and Chinese documents.

[@loomspace]

😂

[@TheKosmikid]

"It's called faith for a reason." The reason is because faith is for fools. "The earth didn't come from nothing." Who said it did? "I believe jesus created the trees." Trees are only just over 2000 years old? This call was painful.

[@rentiap]

Have you not heard of the Bristlecone pine in the Sierra's?

[@AnotherViewer]

Heck, we have found tree fossils have been found dating back to the Middle Devonian (about 385-400 million years ago). And, one must remember that what ever God did, Jesus was there doing it too, in these people's minds.

[@trekkiejunk]

I hate to say this, but to be fair to the caller….. when he said Jesus made the trees. Or earth or whatever….Christians believe Jesus is eternal, but he came down to earth 2000 years ago. So, give the troll slack on that.

[@rentiap]

@@trekkiejunk Why does one need to give slack to a troll?

[@TheKosmikid]

@@trekkiejunk I understood what he meant but no slack from me on such a stupid comment.

[@mikeythehat6693]

Very few callers have me yelling at the computer screen , Joe succeeded . Well done Joe (it was a miracle) .

[@scamchan]

"98% chance there is a GOD" I think he has his percentage way off.

[@DM-gs1le]

I think he's cooked in the head.

[@guytheincognito4186]

Indeed. God is nothing more than a medieval dream. Even in an infinite universe the possibility of a god is essentially 0%. (Not appealing to an absolute or I would have used that term over "essentially".) You see in a infinite universe we might find unicorns, That's because their possibility isn't essentially 0% its still close to zero but since it's not more or less zero like that of a god we can have a world were equine beget unicorns. while there is nothing to beget a god, and if something like a god would be materialised in space there would be to much mass and energy in to close proximity and before it could form fully would collaps into a blackhole. Besides, walking around hoping and wishing it doesn't excist would'nt make any sense. Do you walk around hoping and wishing leprechauns doesn't excist? i don't think you do. "In an infinite universe, does everything that’s possible have to happen somewhere?" There are a lot of subtleties in this question! The answer is _basically_ yes, but there are some sneaky assumptions worked into that. Right off the bat, a probability is always based on “priors”. For example, “the probability that it will rain today” or “the probability that a 4 will be rolled” are not, completely on their own, well-defined probabilities.

[@scamchan]

@@guytheincognito4186 Still waiting on any actions by any GOD in our reality. Seems the bible is full of his actions.

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@scamchan To put tongue to cheek, the bible for sure is full of something but it's not the truth. 😉

[@tommystyx]

There is a 98% chance that Joe is a moron and I don't need 100% proof to believe it.

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

Joe's brain is worth a fortune ..... Never been used

[@steverichardson8080]

Never went outside the box

[@petyrkowalski9887]

But it has one careless owner

[@SHAKA-NEU-LU]

😂

[@landsgevaer]

Might need a recall though...

[@roybarrows9733]

Joe: Childbirth is a miracle. Also Joe: I don't know what miracles are.

[@jdtown6585]

Also Joe: you gotta have faith that miracles occur from a god who made all the trees.

[@loomspace]

Watching a baby actually being born is one of the most natural (and least supernatural) processes I can think of in regards to modern humans.

[@roqsteady5290]

If you let sheep give birth unsupervised, crows often peck out the eyes and tongue of the new born as it emerges. There is nothing the mother or baby can do to prevent it. Where was the miracle for them?

[@GoodieWhiteHat]

Agreed it’s very visceral. And sometimes it’s not a thing of beauty.

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

Johnny P is a Snarktheist, and I'm here for it

[@Byorin]

Johnny is probably a decent guy, but he’s what some people would call a cornball. It’s hard to take his snark seriously, which normally isn’t a problem, but this call needed a different approach.

[@electricflesh4534]

I think a little snark is fine. But it seems to go on for too long during the call. I almost had to switch to another clip because it got to be a little too much.

[@VulcanLogic]

"Well yeah, the Bible is boring..." "Wait, this book was written by an omniscient being. Shouldn't it be more entertaining than that? Shouldn't it be the single most compelling work ever made that you can't possibly put down until you've gone cover to cover? Wouldn't an omniscient being know how to keep you engaged and entertained as opposed to nodding off every 3 pages?" "..." "Next caller..."

[@trailman20]

The book wasn't written by "god" it was written by men many of them over long periods of time and someone sat down and out all those stories together

[@nealgrimes4382]

I always thought G should be a better Author, i mean the old testament could just easily could have been called the goatherders amanac.

[@nealgrimes4382]

@@trailman20 I think.he knows he was talking hypothetically.

[@askingbetterquestions]

Katy has an enviable disposition, wonderfully suited for these kinds of sensitive conversations.

[@cmack17]

"Fuck the trees" 🤣

[@Sweetie-zf3ss]

Just don’t get caught making love to them trees and get consent from them first and try to use protection 🤭🤭💖

[@rayxav]

Listening to this “conversation” shows me how and why AXP has evolved the way it has, especially when Matt is on. If BOTH hosts are jumping in trying to give 5 minute explanations or examples, it is nearly impossible for the discussion to progress. One host has to sit back, listen to both sides and add in when a wall is hit or when there is an easy clarification that is being overlooked. This was too chaotic and all over the map.

[@hyggemcb06]

Yes, the hosts ask questions and then continue talking over the guest who is trying to respond. It’s a disjointed conversation

[@johnnyphilindablanq8536]

I've noticed this lately as well.

[@vic.smittie.5668]

Jeeezas has been blamed for a lot of things. Now he's "created" the earth! Oh your gawd! 🤦🤦😳😁I'm sure his girlfriend laughs at him! 😉🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@rayxav]

@Nathaniel Elderwood merely an observation. A review of a similar conversation is probably why AXP implemented the one minute clock for callers, just so the coherent ones could get close to expressing their thoughts. The hosts of the various shows should also try to limit their responses for the sake of a watchable conversation.

[@rayxav]

@@vic.smittie.5668 i think he said she was listening or laughing, I forgot which. His thoughts weren’t terribly well constructed but the hosts didn’t do much to try to straighten him out. They had some good thoughts, but we’re too long winded in their responses.

[@derwolf9670]

Joe:" I don't know if we even know all the planet's." That statement right there tells you how much (or should I say how little) he knows about the universe

[@markoshun]

In fairness, there is gravitational evidence of a possible planet x (or 9) that they've been trying to nail down for a long time. Probably what Joe's referring to. Though his point was that since the science isn't ever 100% certain, we can believe whatever we want, especially god.

[@jdtown6585]

Every atheist listening at that point: Duhhhh!!!

[@AlexPBenton]

“Watching a baby being born is great too” Ask the mother, she’ll surely give you some perspective.

[@krisaaron5771]

I watched my two sons "being born", and "great" is the LAST term I'd use to describe that bloody mess. The BABY was wonderful, but they absolutely do NOT arrive in any condition worth viewing!

[@Danny451]

@@krisaaron5771 🤮...🤣

[@twcnz3570]

The beginning is a mess, fun but messy, pregnancy is, well, a trial, and birth is messy AND too often ghastly. And, conception is more often a fail. Fun in the trying, but so many times a non event. Not a good case for "miracles"?

[@a.g.m8790]

Yea what a weird statement. Birth is a grotesque biological necessity not anywhere near great or a miracle

[@VillackDeSage]

How anyone can say with a straight face "human pregnancy is a miracle" is baffling. Sure babies can be wonderful, I'll give you that, but giving birth is one of the most dangerous natural events a human can go through! Most other mammals have it infinitely easier than us! If God designed us this way, he's a sadistic bastard.

[@jimsmith3029]

This call illustrates some of the more prominent general aspects of theism: an incredibly low threshold for belief; a belief that the human perspective is the ultimate one; a dogged determination to believe despite evidence, argument, and example to the contrary.

[@almightyshippo1197]

Wait til Joe hears how long elephants are pregnant for. O_O

[@lynettekomidar2819]

hahahahaha

[@trekkiejunk]

I wasn’t sure at first if this guy was a troll, although he sure sounded like one. But when he got to pregnancy and said, “C’mon, what else in nature takes 9 months?” That sealed the deal for me. This guy is not an idiot, just an asshole. He’s a troll.

[@Danny451]

I wonder if "Mary" had a nine month pregnancy for her "virgin" birth to occur.

[@twcnz3570]

He can be all three?

[@jeannettehope670]

Coconut palms and pawpaws can take up to nine years to fruit. Apples and apricots up to five years. Most fruit trees take longer than nine months.

[@roberthamilton9154]

If you’re single just remember even this guy has a girlfriend lmao

[@petyrkowalski9887]

I doubt it😂😂

[@nealgrimes4382]

That is depressing, i'm single.

[@dereknoto6555]

maybe he's cute

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

I think it's way past time we stopped giving respect to people's idiotic beliefs, just because they say we should. Faith is NOT a virtue.

[@jermsbestfriend9296]

Katie on some more news has the best abortion breakdown. Remember after 4 months in the womb, a fetus is not as intelligent as a shrimp.

[@stultusvenator3233]

Some go to Baptist Bible college and remain less intelligent than a shrimp !!

[@jocec3283]

That's not really a criteria. Even some adults today are not as intelligent as a shrimp...

[@stultusvenator3233]

@@jocec3283 Yeah they are called "PEW POTATOE's"

[@justadude7752]

@@jocec3283 good thing then that these people dont live in the body of another to survive ay?

[@twcnz3570]

Aaaand the bible doesn't recognize life 'till..... first breath. Hmmmmm.

[@andreant862]

Moral of this call, wasps are horrifying! And you are right to s### your pants when you see one

[@claudiasolomon1123]

The birth of a wasp *IS* a fucking MIRACLE😍

[@bubbercakes528]

To think that the Earth came from something and then to think that the christian god is the creator is a huge leap. Talking about filling in a gap.

[@twcnz3570]

You misspelt " vast chasm".

[@montythebugman6308]

Joe can't be this thick, can he?

[@twcnz3570]

Yes!!! Yes he can!

[@acspicer]

Cool stuff is miraculous. Good talk.

[@mikeyuskiw3477]

I love Johnny's Breakin' 2 reference at 19:00 lololol - Electric Bugaloo, man!

[@iamgod3411]

I was shocked and disheartened several times by this man's pervasive lack of knowledge in even the most basic scientific understandings. We MUST continue investing in the well-rounded education of young people.

[@rianmacdonald9454]

Katy, I loved that answer. I always use the flying spag monster, but yeah Gary the wizard is a good one. And Johnny, good one muting him, to force him to ty an answer.

[@byron2521]

"look who made the trees" In the immortal words of the late great Carl Sagan, who made the maker of the trees? The argument that things need a maker (god) is a circular argument. If complexity needs a maker, a complex being like a god needs a maker too. If a god can exist forever without a maker, so can the universe.

[@mikeyuskiw3477]

Interestingly, the building in Breakin' 2 was called Miracles!! hahahaha

[@Wix_Mitwirth]

It's great when you ride a bunch of rollercoasters and have a bacon/double-cheeseburger and a rootbeer with some friends. That's god now.

[@SecondaryHomunculus]

I've hit a patience wall with this. Whenever someone says "The universe had to come from somewhere," I just say "You're welcome. Sorry about all the idiots, I'll try to do better next Thursday."

[@rentiap]

I totally agree with Katy's last statement.

[@nickokona6849]

The opening line illustrates a fundamental ignorance about what planetary formation is or what we know about it. The idea that he's trying to go for is: In the absence of absolute certainty, all beliefs are equally justifiable. And that's just not true. More over, the fact that anyone takes this approach at all is evidence in my mind that they are aware on some level that their beliefs are not justified. People who have good reasons don't need to appeal to absolute certainty. It is not equally likely that the universe came from a collapsing probability wave in the quantum vacuum and god magic'd it. We have evidence of quantum mechanics. We have a pretty good understanding of it. God beliefs are just takin it on faith. Believing without good reason/evidence or in the face of good reason/evidence against it. Oh and the why did god create the trees line puts the heart of it out there. It's for our benefit....... Abrahamic religions and notions of god are the maximally possible arrogant position to possibly hold. There can be no more arrogant a position to claim that you are the point of the universe. That all of the universe is made for your benefit. It cannot possibly get more arrogant.

[@No-Kung-Fu]

"Why didn't god create human beings so they didn't require air to breath?" - "Cause that would just be kinda weird..." JESUS CHRIST.

[@steveswangler6373]

i dont know if Johnny checks the comments, but yes Pennsylvania is the Keystone States

[@johngrossman5185]

This is really like watching two cats play with a mouse, but don’t kill it

[@vinnymarchegiano]

Faith is stupidity. Faith is a fool with no reason. Faith is unreliable...This guy's ideologies are in the dark ages!

[@Sir-Complains-a-Lot]

hilarious duo! very well done!

[@nic12344]

"I think that the claim there is a god has a lot higher probability of being true than the atheist point of view where Earth just came from nothing." Ok, where did god came from then?

[@capthavic]

It will never stop being funny when theists claim something can't come from nothing while also claiming everything was poofed into existence from nothing.

[@chakuseki]

I love these hosts so much

[@jacksimpson-rogers1069]

Jack Simpson-Rogers Queen's University of Belfast, where I got my Bachelor's degree, now has a researcher who has a tree-ring collection older than the 6000 years that Archbishop Ussher of Armagh estimated.

[@owenoulton9312]

The standard model for the formation of the Solar System (including the Earth) is the solar nebula hypothesis. In this model, the Solar System formed from a large, rotating cloud of interstellar dust and gas called the solar nebula. It was composed of hydrogen and helium created shortly after the Big Bang 13.8 Ga (billion years ago) and heavier elements ejected by supernovae. About 4.5 Ga, the nebula began a contraction that may have been triggered by the shock wave from a nearby supernova. A shock wave would have also made the nebula rotate. As the cloud began to accelerate, its angular momentum, gravity, and inertia flattened it into a protoplanetary disk perpendicular to its axis of rotation. Small perturbations due to collisions and the angular momentum of other large debris created the means by which kilometer-sized protoplanets began to form, orbiting the nebular center.

[@brucebaker810]

But aren't we a G3 system? Our dust cloud would've formed from and after G2. So our cloud not nearly universe-old.

[@paullanoue5228]

Has Joe heard of a telescope. We can see stars forming right now. One of Hubble’s most famous photos is called the Pillars of Creation. It shows stars forming. Do they still teach science in schools?

[@jocec3283]

That's the main problem with these people. "Faith" matters more than evidence...

[@barbiedahl]

Matt hangs up on people faster because Matt suffers fools not at all.

[@nealgrimes4382]

Matt the Slayer cuts through the shit fast.

[@RozzieBass]

What's so magical about nine months?

[@tacobell2009]

"It's a miracle, because it's miraculous." 🤔

[@coreyloucks4865]

That wasp reminds me of that fungas that infects ants and turns them into zombies.

[@johntuel2375]

An ad after only one minute into the video. That's just rude youtube.

[@oldschooloverlord]

If this guy had gone "look at the crabs" he'd be a lot more persuasive for Katy.

[@twcnz3570]

??

[@AngryBoozer]

Atheism is cool and all, but it’s Katy’s amazing bug facts that keep the show going.

[@steverichardson8080]

Personally, I love seeing all the baby Diptera (maggots) in my trash can. They are so precious and definitely prove that miracles exist, fostered by the best god in the universe, the Lord of Flies.

[@ExcelsiorUnltd]

This guy: “I know all about it! I know all about it!” = “I have heard that word before.”

[@Wix_Mitwirth]

Where do I go to find out what the deal is with these guys and MD? I kind of remember some thing from a long time ago, couple years maybe(?). What's the deal?

[@chelseawales1090]

Katie’s calico is the only miracle in this episode.

[@jacksimpson-rogers1069]

In essence, Newton's theory of motion and gravity, which is much more than "things fall when you let them go" explains how planets and stars are formed. Kelvin's question of where the power of the sun comes from, was explained by Einstein's most famous equation. Explaining the existence of trees is more elaborate, but Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection explained how Evolution worked, which decently informed biologists knew had happened, but not How.

[@craigbradford4850]

Joe is a very limited thinker. Especially after to talking to his “atheist friends” he’s unable to engage in a serious back and forth with what they’re saying.

[@cmack17]

"Thinker" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jermsbestfriend9296]

When you say why, don't you mean according to what evidence rather than for what purpose?

[@bobbrereton4785]

Love the kitty.

[@swiftly2322]

The only reason he thinks the most mundane process in biology is a miracle is because the TV says so sometimes.

[@stonemaze9925]

Look at the cat.....Aww!

[@samcero]

This caller is all over the place. Knows barely enough to make an excuse before moving on to his next topic.

[@mannyrivera3503]

The earth coming from nothing ironically fits his argument instead, namely that God created the earth out of nothing, science doesn't say that, his Bible does

[@Dadd00]

You would want to tell these magical-thinking people to take a science class.

[@segue2ant395]

Food poisoning is 10x more common in the USA than it is in the EU - the main reason being a lack of standards, especially when it comes to meat and dairy. Every industry, from farming to butchery to sale, has a strong lobby working hard to keep standards out of the equation.

[@cybercinderwolf]

I could have gone my entire life without knowing about hose wasps. I guess sleep is done for a while

[@scamchan]

NO GOD has a reason to hide and expect mortals to find him!

[@Sweetie-zf3ss]

He does if he’s playing hide and seek 🤭🤭🤭💖

[@bolladeen]

Rolling wheel will come to a halt without any additional force applied. So, how are material, matters, planets, galaxies etc. in the universe are moving non stop? Get every element known into a space, how long will it be until you get anything from the elements?

[@karlrschneider]

Your knowledge of physics is about 3.5 x 10^-18. Look up "friction", callow child.

[@Ray-c1r]

Lol the miracle of child birth, population of the world 7 billion

[@billmcdonald4335]

Reads his Stone Age Cook Book & Slavers' Manual multiple times, thinks he's an authority on science. What a precious, precious ignoramus.

[@trekkiejunk]

If you mean the Bible, that’s Bronze Age, not Stone Age. According to most evangelical Christians, the Stone Age didn’t even exist.

[@billmauer8117]

Another Christian caller who thinks he’s a lot more intelligent than what he actually is-surprise surprise.

[@gustercc]

Dunning Krueger

[@DarioCastagno]

Katy is so intellectually pretty

[@TheAntiburglar]

Edit: this guy lost the plot REAL QUICK there >.> I literally used the "I have experienced stomach problems after eating two out of two boxes of this particular macaroni and cheese" to predict that the third time I tried it I would get sick. I did. And now the remaining two boxes have been left uneaten. It's almost like....we can use logic....and reason....to predict things.....based on evidence!

[@venyredun5221]

Joe, Joe you are ok but... You need to educate yourself, i mean that oxygen/tree thing was just... Wow hahaha

[@julianwaugh8221]

I get dazzled by Katy!

[@lopakaholmberg]

I feel like we all glossed over the fact that half of the frozen food he eats gives him diarrhea.......and he still eats them

[@johngrossman5185]

Weren’t there trees already around when Jesus was born😂😂

[@brucebaker810]

Not the Keystone state, Katy. Georgia might be the Freestone State, though.

[@greghess8896]

Joe: Just look at a baby being born.. Johnny: It's private......🤣

[@nealgrimes4382]

It's also nasty.

[@michaelreindel6975]

“I believe.” “Why?” “Because.” 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@christianblevins1870]

The only time I have heard faith used is when someone is plugging a lack of evidence gap with faith.

[@Guanda70]

The show hosts are so patient with this dude. Indoctrination is a powerful thing. It completely changes the person's view of reality into something fantastic pretending to be all normal.

[@vinnymarchegiano]

2022...Doesn't everyone know it's stupid to believe in Gawd?

[@rentiap]

Only those who are stupid enough.

[@chuckybang]

Indoctrination is hard to shake. There is a reason children are indoctrinated very young while they are impressionable.

[@vinnymarchegiano]

@@chuckybang Yes, I agree

[@playfulpanthress]

This dude has NEVER watched a live birth in person. He'd never say it was a miracle again. Is his thought on a still birth or SIDs a "miracle"?

[@trekkiejunk]

Or the millions of zygotes, fetuses, clumps of cells that women’s bodies naturally reject every year, often not even knowing they were pregnant?

[@playfulpanthress]

@@trekkiejunk Exactly!

[@AngryBoozer]

As long as it takes nine months, apparently…

[@loomspace]

If anything about birth is a miracle it's the number of successes in such a poorly 'designed' process.

[@playfulpanthress]

@@AngryBoozer Likely true.

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

Sometimes childbirth is a tragedy, and the mother and/or baby die. Is that also a miracle?

[@blueredingreen]

Childbirth is a drawn-out, painful, life-threatening process, that used to go wrong real often throughout most of human history. If a god created that, it would be hard to argue that they're loving.

[@sashag2196]

what is significant about 9 months?

[@tperson8347]

I don't know why, but it makes me laugh when people say that Jesus created things instead of God creating. :) Even when I was a christian it just sounded funny to me. :)

[@WeirdWonderful]

The irony is that, unlike what the title suggests, this position LITERALLY claims that it did !

[@Arkloyd]

joe: "I think gawd made the Earth because it couldn't come out of nothing." Host: "The earth came from an accretion disc as a byproduct of the sun's formation." Later: joe: "I don't think the Atheists are right that the Earth came from nothing." Somebody wasn't listening…

[@Arkloyd]

@@Imperial-Socialist Yup. They utterly -ignore- forget the first law of Thermodynamics that states that matter and energy can neither be created or destroyed. They ignore that matter and energy are eternal, because then that means that there's no need for an eternal torturer in the sky.

[@chriswaters926]

We can watch planets form in interstellar dust clouds, so not from nothing. There are billions of them in just our own galaxy.

[@davidsmith-uw2ci]

Saying earth didn't come from nothing but at the same time saying god created earth out of nothing lol

[@gustercc]

THiS! I was waiting for them to tie it together for him. I’m only half way through. I’m an atheist and I honestly have to urge to pray for this maroon. Bless his heart. ❤️

[@ingoatwetrust8086]

Can't see the woods for the trees...

[@TheSnoeedog]

*FOREST* (IF YOU'RE FOCUSSED ON THE TREES YOU ARE FOCUSSING *LITERALLY* ON THE WOOD/S...AND MISSING THE PROVERBIAL *FOREST)*

[@ingoatwetrust8086]

@@TheSnoeedogWoods. With an s.

[@williamjohn2910]

Joe meant to say. Faith is no reason.