Does the F-15EX compare to the Chinese J-16 Flanker?

[@Binkov]

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[@XiaoFeng347]

作者你的视频是我看过的最客观的评价中国歼16的视频了，比那些无中生有恶意揣测的要客观认真得多！

[@XiaoFeng347]

但是有些地方依然有点问题，就我知道的信息而言，歼16和F15EX一样属于大幅重新设计的机体结构（主要是机体内部）。就官方的报道中提到了的信息就有：歼16机身百分之80的结构经过重新设计，并大幅度使用了复合材料来减轻空重，并是中国首次使用无图制造技术生产的机型。所以它的空重比su30和su35更低是没有疑问的（su35为了取消减速版不得不大幅度加强机身结构导致其空重大幅增加反而不如j16），早在su27的完全中国化的j11b时为了减重就大幅使用了复合材料，cn的纪录片里面就空开提到过相比原厂su27sk和国内组装的j11a，j11b的复合材料比例就大幅增加了，j16就更不应该这么重了，合理的推断j16的使用空重应该为17.5吨。其次电子设备就我们国内自己的消息来源判断j16相比su30把翼尖的电子吊舱（或类似功能产物）给内置到机身里去了，歼16的其它吊舱可能是加强其它功能的。最后就是，我有一个疑问就是f15不带副油箱是怎么跑得过侧卫的，侧卫家族的内部燃油天然就比其它飞机大得多以至于几乎很少见到侧卫家族使用副油箱的情况，f15却很容易见到带副油箱的图而侧卫su27系列也有但很少见。

[@stuartpenman6387]

you are aware Russia is proving it is ahead of both China and the US in Ukraine, their latest aircraft have been seen and not 1 loss shows this

[@The_Conqueeftador]

Have you ever done one U.S. state vs another? With no federal involvement. Maybe get back to your early days style. Study landscape armed per capita full on militia vs militia. Might be hilarious.

[@The_Conqueeftador]

​@@stuartpenman6387 They shoot from behind their own lines by most reports. Either afraid to lose one or worried about the risk of Ukraine sharing targeting crosshair data with the west.

[@jacobtedder4813]

I’m sure the comments will be civil and unbiased

[@georgemetcalf8763]

How can a video about the F-1SEX Eagle not be civil? Though I'm amazed the plane hasn't been armed with weapons named 80085 so the Sex Eagle can drop boobs on targets.

[@Nealetony]

I concur.

[@GM-xk1nw]

Surely

[@trollmastermike52845]

Eggroll undefeated we eat bat soup 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

[@molnibalage83]

About the F-15EX... kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZLNp3qKpa6oo5Y

[@jorgecgonzalez9976]

F-15EX radar is the AN/APG-82(V)1, which is newer than the F-35's AN/APG-81. EX has a Lighting targeting pod.

[@scottsauritch3216]

Remember, US F-15E's (the majority but not all) are currently getting or already have received upgrades to essentially make them EX's as well...

[@你看个锤子你看]

You have a misunderstanding about fighter upgrades, ignoring the life of the airframe and some other architectures... Just like China upgrading the J11B to the J11BG does not mean that the J11BG has reached the performance of the J16.

[@stupidburp]

They will be somewhere in between F-15SA and F-15EX in capabilities. Full F-15EX spec includes major internal structural changes that would require a full rebuild.

[@davidakers8258]

EX is now fly by wire I have seen it fly . Maneuvering and angle of attack are on another level from the C . New aim 260 will also be a game changer.

[@GhostRider-hp3te]

Ok

[@joeroche552]

ohh i missed these comparison vids, the current conflict vids are also good but these oldskool vids are missed

[@SmilingCamperVan-dd8cb]

I'm American, but I have to say, Flankers are pretty. Almost as pretty as Tomcats!

[@mnd7381]

All credits to Sukhoi :)

[@tomaslongoria2449]

Yup yup, i love the Eagle but i cant deny the awesomeness and sexiness of the Mig’s and the Su’s. Mig 15 being one of the sexiest jets ever!

[@appa609]

*Almost as pretty as Eagles

[@MilitaryTalkGuy]

This video was very informative. I clicked on it expecting to see some errors but even your assumptions were based on best information available. Thanks for this, deserves more thumbs up!

[@daveesser231]

Blinkov's assessments do not disappoint.

[@AEFisch]

Chinese very long range missiles likely for AWACS and Tankers, C130, C17 with cruise missile load out

[@JamesBrown059]

Due to lack of any reliable data this comparison video is kind of pointless.

[@ulikemyname6744]

We can assume many things with relative accuracy

[@ragedmayhem1]

Not really since Chinese tech isn't even close to American military hardware

[@Alexander-vo4gv]

@@ragedmayhem1 source: i made it up

[@jaymoore332]

Clearly the J-16 is 6.67% better than the F-15EX, because 16 is 6.67% more than 15.

[@bingliu7182]

lol, j-16 has 1800 trans more than F-15 has, and more China bans export of gallium from last year, why? while " the Pentagon continues to refuse delivery of new F-35s until Lockheed finishes testing technology for the jet’s latest upgrade, called Technology Refresh-3. Lockheed recently announced another delay for the new tech package in its latest earnings call, and now forecasts TR-3 will be ready in the third quarter of 2024. "🤔 lol

[@jayteeb1]

I think this shows how great those 70"s designs are😊

[@angelosasso1653]

I mean physics don´t change and they weren´t concerned with stealth at this point in time + it happens to have the right size for about anything you want to do with it. So as long as you upgrade parts of it, the airframe itself still remains a jack of all trades.

[@jamescawl6904]

Not to mention that the 2 richest countries of the world were trying to one up one another. The resources spent on military hardware at the time could have funded a 1/3 of the world's countries.

[@stupidburp]

The F-15EX is pulling ahead even further as AIM-260 and other missile options start to become available.

[@你看个锤子你看]

? Then J16 will not be equipped with PL21?

[@stupidburp]

@@你看个锤子你看 AIM-260 has better terminal phase performance than PL-21. PL-21 is trivial to avoid at maximum range and easier to avoid than AIM-260 at all ranges. PL-21 Reported max range is also exaggerated by using an improbable flight profile at launch that would require an unsustainable launch point above max cruise altitude and at a speed above the reliable release limits for the weapons rails on the J-16. AIM-260 reported range numbers are much more conservative and realistic. Furthermore, F-15EX has a vastly better radar than J-16 which allows much earlier detection, track, and lock. An extreme range missile isn't very effective without a radar on the launch platform to guide it close enough for the missile seeker to reliably track and change vector to target. Like the Russian fighters lofting Axehead missiles at maximum range, the J-16 firing PL-21 in similar conditions would only be a threat to a target that is not maneuvering and not aware. F-15EX systems will make sure that pilot is aware and able to counter. Flanker family aircraft are currently being shot down in large numbers. Even the legacy F-15 has a perfect air to air record and the F-15EX is better in every way than the legacy F-15.

[@I-02]

@@你看个锤子你看 PL-21 doesn’t exist.

[@赛博小王]

你的 aim-260 还在研发，但是PLA是真的有PL-17😂

[@ottovonnekpunch1268]

Blinkov, I surprised you omitted "pilot training" as a criteria! US military spends bucket-loads of money training our pilots in simulators and IRL flight time! 🤔

[@dogeboi1804]

Judging fron the Chinese education system, and in general, the preparation of your average chinese and the general chinese culture, I doubt the Chinese would undee prepare their pilots. America has more experience in actual wars but its mainly against poor countries which didnt stand much of a chance.

[@rickyg4877]

Binkov, It’s Not What You Think…

[@Henry_TownshendSH4]

classified vs classified, which is better? that's classified

[@briandady9030]

As a former Eagle Keeper, this tracks! C models were the dog fighters; E model and later pretty much define multi-role.

[@KJV0812]

Great analysis !

[@pahtar7189]

When you say something like "no good data are available" dozens of times, it may be premature to make the video.

[@doctorsoggy5563]

Well, yeah. But realistically it will be decades before accurate technical specifications for current advanced military systems will be made public, so it’s better than nothing I suppose. Binkov has to pay the bills somehow.

[@ericyoder5348]

By the time that data would be available these aircraft will no longer be relevant.

[@appa609]

​@@doctorsoggy5563 Then make a different video. We should expect better than a damn content mill.

[@Formula1st]

That’s the nature of videos about modern militaries, it’s impossible to be sure about pretty much anything. Not sure what you expected here…

[@jyy9624]

Enough known for a cutting edge source

[@albertgerard4639]

Such great plane footage 🙌

[@andreabindolini7452]

Great analysis, Binkov. I must point out that the F-15EX, unlike the F-15C and E, is now a CCV vehicle with relaxed stability coupled with full fly-by-wire controls. This allows to further exploit the airframe capabilies, with the actual result of an improved agility over the legacy F-15s. This is clearly showed in the now famous display in Dubai by an F-15QA, a close related to the EX.

[@nicholas-k8j]

Still a 1970s air craft for 180 million on the export market if you read what Indonesia was offered . a F35A has got to be half of that right now

[@lyric-992]

​@SaintFluffySnow J16 is kinda Meh

[@crimsionCoder42]

Now with the navy using the aim 174 which is basically an air launched sm-6 it would be smart for boeing to include that compatibility as standard with the f15ex. That would give them a 200+ mile missile that's already been proven in combat.

[@dna6882]

I think we may not see that announcement for some time for a number of reasons. Firstly since the f15EX is a model that is available for export, Boeing will have to consider whether it is likely that the US will allow that barely out of research tech to be exported, personally I doubt it. People will therefore suggest that the development of such capability will be desirable for the US only models anyway. While I'm sure every general would love to have every new tech breakthrough at his/her fingertips again I think If the tech is only going to be applied to US domestic models then it simply won't be worth it. What I mean here is that the very existence of such an advanced F15 derivative is significantly down to the investment dollars coming from foreign nations. If you look at the models which immediately preceded the EX you will see that much (not all) of the advances came from other countries requesting (And paying for) continued development for their older F15 air frames or simply wanting to purchase new f15's with more modern capabilities. That suggests that the US (Airforce) is not overly keen to invest "significant" amounts of money into their legacy airframes. So if new tech is not going to be paid for (Or exported to) others I doubt you will see it paid for by either Boeing or the US Air Force. Ultimately though, I think the single biggest factor will be supply and demand. If the Airforce is going to procure a new long range missile it is unlikely to be the Aim 174. The Aim 174 uses the same body as the SM6 but without the rear rocket booster assembly. This means that the production of sm6 and Aim 174 comes down the same assembly line and the current volume of sm6 being constructed will also have to include any Aim 174s that are produced. At the moment that production figure for the sm6 (and thus also the aim174) is around 150 PA. There are plans to boost this to 300 internally and perhaps also construct another production facility in Japan but for the moment 150 is the total number of sm6 based weapons that can be made each year. Since the NAVY has already announced the Aim 174 is in service with their Super Hornets (Along with the massive amounts of Ship based platforms that already employ the SM6) that would suggest a VERY small number of missiles to go around if the Airforce put their hands up as well. I think it is far more likely that we will see the Airforce waiting and adopting the Aim260 missile for their needs. This missile is to be much smaller and lighter than the Aim174 which will allow the missile to both A. fit the existing pilon mounts with very minimal (if any) modification and more importantly B. Also allow the missile to fit inside the Airforce's other fighters such as the F22 and the F35 A. The Airforce would find it much easier to supply this missile in useful quantities accross its vast numbers of airframes than the Aim174 as the Aim260 shares many parts with the Aim 120D and the Aim120D is produced in much larger quantities. While the Aim260 is likely to have slightly decreased range compared to the Aim 174 I would hazard a guess that this "con" would be more than offset by the "Pro" of allowing the f35 to maintain its stealth profile with the smaller weapon and allow non stealthy users to equip the Aim260 in significantly greater quantities. These are of course just my thoughts on the matter and therefore should be taken with a (block) of salt ;)

[@kaijenkins4513]

⁠@@dna6882their’s also another long ranged missile with 2 stages for the EX in the future making me believe the aim-174 installation on F-15s is unlikely.

[@FloridaManMatty]

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[@kleuafflatus]

No surprises here, if stealth isn't an issue, F-15 still takes all.

[@douginorlando6260]

Relying on stealth will someday be proven to be a fools errand. Thinking you’re invisible will get you sucker punched 6 feet under

[@I-02]

@@douginorlando6260 No one has yet figured out how to engage a stealth aircraft from real BVR ranges without putting a sensor WVR. Not likely to change anytime soon.

[@mrjmorovis]

The Air Force lacks imagination in naming things. The F-15EX should be called the Super Eagle at least. A proper name reflecting what it is.

[@000-z8n]

Agreed. Aircraft II is usually a much later homage to Aircraft I--e.g. the A-10 Thunderbolt II is the namesake of the P-47 Thunderbolt. But maybe this is a McDonnell Douglas thing (that Boeing preserved): the F-4E Phantom II was really just an upgraded Phantom. Hm. But no: the upgraded Hornet is the Super Hornet. So I don't know. It's the Super Eagle to me. Though, as we all know, it's really the F-1 5EX Eagle...

[@geodkyt]

​@@000-z8nLOL. The F-4 Phantom II was merely *named* for the FH Phantom in honor of the earlier (and entirely unrelated) and successful McDonnell carrier fighter. The F-4 derives from the F3H Demon, which shares a design lineage with the prototype XF-88 Voodoo (which is why the later F-101 Voodoo kind of looks like an F-4 Phantom II in the dark, if you squint.) The FH Phantom, by contrast, led to the F2H Banshee, which was a somewhat disappointing aircraft, and the Banshee was basically the end of the FH Phantom lineage.

[@lamarkingram5320]

They're quite clever. The super eagle is a copy of the idea of the super hornet name. No. The designation denotes what we need to know. pipe down.

[@000-z8n]

LOOOOL that's hilarious. How could I not know that? Somehow I got the idea that only the E model onwards was designated Phantom II...I'd forgotten about the earlier Phantom. But I was grasping. And this makes the "Eagle II" designation completely inscrutable. It basically *has* to be the Super Eagle.

[@000-z8n]

Whether mrjmorovis is right or not about the USAF's imagination, he's right about "Super Eagle"...

[@andrean2247]

Enemy information are unknown, so our stuff are the best.

[@andrean2247]

@achatessalinas2420 yep cia payroll

[@GM-fh5jp]

Good analysis and commentary Master Binkov...thanks for posting!

[@corvanphoenix]

Don't forget who is actually buying the EX, the Air National Guard. So they're not the USAF F-15C replacement at all. Let alone something which can take a load off F-22. So getting off the shelf radars for example, rather than a new bespoke one, makes perfect sens. Besides, it's difficult to justify any new system on cost grounds vs the F-35, so F-15 fans are lucky at least ANG are keeping the production line going.

[@kaijenkins4513]

All current active US F-15Cs are used by the Air National Guard and can be deployed to the front by the U.S. Air Force when needed let alone the ANG units at Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, Japan that are expected to acquire F-15EXs.

[@tenormdness]

Great video as usual Bink!!!!

[@lightspeedvictory]

With regards to air to air combat, the EX is actually more maneuverable than legacy Eagles as it can pull some maneuvers that would normally require thrust vectoring. When it comes to BVR engagements though, the PL-15 missile has a dual pulse rocket motor, making it much more lethal in the “end game,” giving it a fairly significant edge over the AIM-120. At least currently. Once the AIM-260 enters service with the EX, it will level the playing field against even the PL-17

[@appa609]

That's marketing wank. It's exactly the same shape as the E and weighs slightly more. FBW merely imitates a very good pilot but the envelope will be worse than a C.

[@douginorlando6260]

Regarding radar, a sensor array across a greater surface area will have sharper lobes than an identical system with a smaller surface area where the same 1600 channels are spread over a smaller surface area.

[@larryseago730]

The Pilot and his training and knowledge are crucial to a win. I'd stack U.S. pilots on average, against anything the Chinese or russians can field. On an individual level, there will be those few who are on another level, and they will pose a greater threat. As to aircraft, I also would believe U.S. Aircraft will be of greater capabilities. The U.S. Air to Air package, including All actors within the theater which are involved in the engagement, will be greater in capability, that's the Aircraft, AWACS, and so on. That Chinese pilot(s) may be facing Surface to Air Missiles as well as the Aircraft arrayed against them, depending on who is in whose air space. And, there may be an F-22 or F-35 doing the targeting, while an F-15EX is firing the missiles BVR and that is another danger to that Chinese Aircraft, the plane he doesn't know is on his 6, while he is concentrating on the F-15EX.

[@Gongolongo]

Damn this is some serious fantasy. Just go take some warfare classes in college. You need to understand reality.

[@evereachyu]

There are only less than F15EX’s while China has more than 300 J-16’s. The number will be increased by 100 annually. Boring has problems to deliver more than 10 per year.

[@briandiff1459]

more than 10per year wont be needed with whats currently still in service.

[@machdaddy6451]

F-22 is being retired while the rest of the world is still trying to catchup to it.

[@TellenJones]

Part of F22 legacy was, unfortunately, showing the rest of world how NOT to make a stealth fighter: 1. Superb maneuverability not that important b/c you could never out-maneuver a missile. 2. Avionics, avionics, avionics and better avionics. Situation awareness is far more important. 3. Keep your system open so it can be upgraded with better blocks, unlike F22.

[@newlevelgamer5879]

​@@TellenJonesnope, it actually showed the world how to make one, that's why china and Russia 20 years later have tried to copy the f22 but have failed miserably 😂

[@TellenJones]

@@newlevelgamer5879 China's J20 has more advanced avionics than F22 not b/c of US lagging behind in technologies but that there's simply no room / interfaces to install the latest upgrade packages on F22.

[@newlevelgamer5879]

@@TellenJones lol😂😂 China barely was able to produce them an has several issues with their engine signature and other issues with radar systems that might be replaced for a 4th generation russian radar because the one that China created for the J20 is not enough to fight the f35 not even the f22, that's why china took too long to build this plane, plus the U.S.A already has the NGAD 6th generation fighter coming up soon, China is far behind America and by the time China get that J20 junk flying the U.S.A will already have the NGAD in mass production

[@CarolYeisley]

​@@newlevelgamer5879哥们是战忽局的吧😂

[@oneshotme]

I very much enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up

[@lizadonrex]

The F-15EX is a complete different beast compared to J-16.

[@frankiegale5460]

How can you compare something when you have so little information about it?

[@mikael5938]

agreee . f15 ex had advantage over whut? they dont know any of pl 17 or china radars or sensors, and assume american stuff always is best.

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

Did you even watch? If you did you wouldn't be asking dumb questions.

[@mikael5938]

@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket they dont have numbers on china or russia range weught sensors They are just guessing numbers lower then 15x so that american fighter looks better. Look in ukraine how super duper strong Abrams tanks gets killed by 50 year old t72s...

[@MooseVR]

@@mikael5938your tanks got dogged on by a Bradley 💀

[@savaii4menow]

The USA just approved of 1.8 billion for 50 F 15 EX for Israel , plus 88 for the USA down from 100, plus 36 for Indonesia. A lot more countries are lining up to buy the F 15 EX. Boeing will have no choice but to expand their production line in order to meet this surge in sales of the New F 15 EX.

[@wildfire8126]

There are 39 years technology gap between the China J-16 and the US F-15. Comparing apple with orange, that would be from sublime to ridiculous. The US F-15 joined the US air force in 1/9/76. The China J-16 joined the Chinese air force in 2015.

[@AlexLee-dc2vb]

this is EXACTLY the type of video that I want to see

[@crumcon]

It hurts to see the best Flanker is not from Russia, not even su-35S or su-30SM3

[@hamzzashaffi]

Now that's what we needeed! These kind of videos are the best! :)

[@spencerstevens2175]

Just coming in for my weekly quota of vodka flavored tears

[@casbot71]

What about their logistics and attritional warfare characteristics? How much maintenance does each need per hour of flight time and how "delicate" are they .... are they hanger queens. For example, the F-35 is more deadly due to its stealth than the Gripen, but the Gripen can run a lot more missions in a week than a F-35 could, and from ad-hoc facilities. In a total war or even a intensive bombing campaign after air superiority has been gained (such as in Iraq), how many sorties could each run? .... that's why I mentioned the Gripen in the above comparison, it's the world champion in _that_ department. And as the Ukrainian war has proven, that sort of metric does matter.

[@sebastianskwarczynski2435]

The fuel quantity of the F-15EX seems odd: it is stated in the video at 19:53 to be 5364 gallons and 15.1 t, which, if we assume this means US gallons, makes the fuel's density 744 kg/m^3. That is a value typical of gasoline used in cars, whereas jet aircraft typically use kerosene with a density of about 810 kg/m^3.

[@m1910rcb]

Good catch. There is probably a discrepancy between the stores carried. That 5000+ gal figure is with CFTs, plus a full load of 3 external tanks. The 15.1t measure would be close to the right measure for the much more typical loadout of CFTs and 2 drop tanks. The central pylon will typically be reserved for a targeting pod such as Legion IRST. Or the number came from a conversion error.

[@sebastianskwarczynski2435]

@@m1910rcb AFAIK the drop tanks are 600 gallons, if we subtract that we get 4764 gallons, given that 15100 kg of fuel that would mean a density of 837 kg/m^3, which resembles automotive diesel more than typical jet fuel.

[@m1910rcb]

@@sebastianskwarczynski2435 I don't doubt your numbers. Don't know the densities, but I was going by the typical weight we use for jet fuel, 6.7 lbs/gal. With that loadout it was somewhere between 15 and 16 tons. Of course he's getting these figures from various sources or with envelope calculations, so I'd expect discrepancies. Even gov't websites almost universally list incorrect or contradictory stats for that type of thing.

[@jhon__1940]

If you don't have any verifiable information Chinese aircrafts, just don't compare them.

[@m1910rcb]

All military analyses, even by intelligence organizations, are based largely on educated estimates and some assumptions. There will be variations from the data presented for both sides, but very unlikely to swing any single comparison.

[@mamarussellthepie3995]

You fail to mention the existence of AIM120D-ER and AIM260 variants 😂

[@CarolYeisley]

Are they really exist?

[@lizadonrex]

Very soon

[@mamarussellthepie3995]

@CarolYeisley yeh Allegedly us fighters have already been using 260s. . .

[@CarolYeisley]

@@mamarussellthepie3995 AIM260 at 2023 or2022 test-fire but not be on active service

[@mamarussellthepie3995]

@CarolYeisley idk man Some people say 260s are in service early like 120s once were. . .

[@anthonyschirillo4377]

But they have been advertising the new F15’s as missile trucks slaved to the F-35

[@jamesholden5664]

F15EX HAS THE BEST LONGEST RANG MOST POWERFUL RADAR IN THE WORLD. THE FASTEST MISSION COMPUTER AND THE FASTEST SPEED.

[@lamarkingram5320]

The fact they even compare this chinese GARBAGE, with NO COMBAT EXPERIENCE to the UNDEFEATED F-15 is absolutely hilarious. Especially when we've seen the russian derivative get it's ass whooped in Ukraine thus far.

[@jasonj3599]

@@lamarkingram5320 The F15's actual combat experience is mostly with MiG-23 and MiG-25. What's the meaning of this so-called actual combat experience? According to your logic, the F22's actual combat experience is 0, so Su-35 is better than F22?

[@kralikkral5560]

When it comes to pilots ... the thing is clear.

[@lilizhao-vc4up]

American Hollywood movies would have you believe that America has the best pilots. In fact, after World War II, Chinese forces shot down more than 3,500 U.S. military aircraft over Korea, Vietnam and various places in the South China Sea, I guess your Hollywood movies will never tell you that,

[@DonVetto-vx9dd]

If life is Hollywood, then yes, US win hands down.

[@mariajiao4855]

I know. The US pilots are so lack of discipline and short on training hours these days. 😮

[@白也-m4c]

少看点电影,这些远不如多帮你的妈妈多做点家务来的舒服.

[@DonVetto-vx9dd]

The real question is, how many air defense US vs China has and can their respective fighters cope with the other party's air defense?

[@Yankeefann]

It would prob be an out all volley between navies and air forces from each country I’d say the Us has advantage there china is literally surrounded by countries with missiles waiting to bomb it

[@白也-m4c]

@@Yankeefann 第二岛链内开战中国6美国4，超过第二岛链美国6中国4，这是不争的事实。但也仅此如此了，也许再过3年？5年？

[@Yankeefann]

@@白也-m4c can’t translate

[@jacobw6530]

BOEING MENTIONED! ✈️✈️✈️

[@cyronader]

The clear answer is unknown. Only in an actual battle could we really know what's better. Even though I am biased with America and western gear, I have a feeling the J-15/16 with PL12/15 are better than they appear. I would say overall Chinese military equipment procurement is not plagued with delays and severe cost overruns as with American/western equipment. American defense manufacture are nickling and dimming the DOD for every little bolt and washer they are able to charge for. I am not so sure Chinese defense contractors would ever dare to charge the CCP extreme amounts of money and then under-deliver like most American defense companies have been doing. The CCP are certainly getting more bang for dollar/yuan

[@constantinethecataphract5949]

You see in the USA the companies and the government are in a parasitic relationship the government is controlled by big capital. In China it's the other way around. The CCP has them on a tight lease. They even jail and oof millionaires and CEOs there.

[@xt7519]

I would go exactly the opposite. Chinese procurement is rife with corruption, they tend to inflate their capabilities (opposite to the US which tends to under-sell their own capabilities). I think people simply fail to understand how the CCP and the Chinese system really work, how their industrial and military complex is tied into the CCP at every level, and how corrupt their system is. The fact you think that Chinese contractors wouldn't 'dare' to charge the CCP extreme amounts of money kind of points to the fact you really don't understand...the CCP CONTROLS those contracts and contractors, and they are the ones who benefit directly from the corruption.

[@tdawg5742]

The main reason why US development is plagued with delays and over-cost is because we have something here called "AUDITS" and the audits often find issues during the whole process from planning to manufacturing. The idea of audits is to find flaws and fix them. Edit - When you're stealing and copying technology like the Chinese, you don't need to audit your process because the Americans and Russians have already gone through it.

[@plflaherty1]

@@xt7519 Must agree. The Soviets (and current Russia) were no different, every level of industry and government was on the take. And everyone knew it and kept their mouth shut, they where all potentially guilty of something. Sure, some Chinese heads may roll at times to make a point, but the corruption is baked into these systems. Corruption is always present, its just how much you allow it to sap your efficiency.

[@xt7519]

@@plflaherty1 Exactly. In China (and Russia as pointed out earlier) it's systemic...it's baked into their system from top to bottom. It boggles my mind that people seem to think that the CCP (or the Russian Federation) is some sort of lean, mean fighting machine, that Chinese companies(who are often owned or controlled by various CCP officials) are in fear of the government and thus aren't prone to corruption, etc etc. That view of reality is simply incomprehensible to me, though I guess it stems from how good the CCP is at subverting Western media and elites to propagate such a ridiculous narrative. Like Russia's propaganda, it's obviously working (one of the few things that does seem to work well in their systems...just need to dangle big piles of cash and people fall all over themselves to lap up your narrative).

[@nicholas-k8j]

its more suprising that the F15 and F16 will still be flying in Airforces around the World even in 2045 as there still building them now and they have really long air frame hours. The F18 which came out later is almost well and trullly retired now and wont be flying with anyone by 2030 other then perhaps as a trainer... for a mid 70s airplane the F15 to probably still be flying in 2050 with some countries will be impressive. by then it will be a long range bomb truck its still very competiitive with the best China and Russia have today

[@tainechen1634]

There's a lot of mig21 in service even today.

[@elmateo77]

This comparison is mostly pointless since the F-15EX and the J-16 are both meant to be missile trucks for 5th gen stealth fighters, and their own combat performance is irrelevant in that role. All that really matters is who has the stealthier front line planes and better long range missiles.

[@Bytional]

F-15EX looks great, but only one problem: USAF plans for more than 100 of F-15EX, but Boring delivers less than 10 to them in the last 3 years. Actually this is a common problem for the US, all their new weapon systems look great on paper, but when it comes to build and deliver them, they are rarely delivered on time, sometimes they have to cut down the number or lower the tech spec, or just straight up cancelled.

[@jfloes90]

You can say this about every country

[@voidtempering8700]

​@@jfloes90Not really. China has been delivering J-20s and J-16s at a higher rate, and the J-31 is also going to enter production soon. Although the F-35 is also being produced in large numbers right now.

[@briandiff1459]

@@voidtempering8700 not as much goes into producing Chinese aircraft !

[@voidtempering8700]

@@briandiff1459 What? Do you understand how complex the design of a fighter jet is?

[@briandiff1459]

@@voidtempering8700 yes I do, American aircraft are MUCH, MUCH MORE COMPLEX !

[@pahtar7189]

Later this year, the F-15EX will start receiving the AIM-260 Joint Advanced Tactical Missile, developed specifically to compete against the PL15. It has about the same dimensions as the AMRAAM, but higher top speed and longer range than the AIM-120D.

[@riskinhos]

and it's still shit compared to the meteor missile developed more than a decade ago.

[@dominiksoukal]

​@riskinhos did this come to you in a dream?

[@gamerf1141]

​@@riskinhoshow would you know?

[@riskinhos]

@@gamerf1141 department of defence data available data.

[@gamerf1141]

@@riskinhos from what is known about it, let's keep in mind that we only know the basic of it

[@mjmej4734]

Human factor,pilot training, and pilot stick time.

[@mylesvmiles7571]

Its funny to see copes from both sides of this debate, everytime there is some speculation he clearly mentions we dont have all the details or that the information could be innacurate, if you think you can do better than him and his team go ahead and make your own video and include your own sources

[@billrich9722]

Not one period.

[@你看个锤子你看]

At least the J16 is equipped with 300 aircraft, which is a real deal. The number of F15EXs equipped since its service is less than 10...lol, no matter how advanced it is on paper, it is equal to zero if it cannot be put into large-scale mass production and deployment, just like Russia's Su-57

[@niweshlekhak9646]

US Air Force is not buying F-15 EX, it's US Air national Guard which is for homeland security, you won't see these forward.

[@itsericzhou]

@@niweshlekhak9646wait what? Why? Is it for cost reasons or for security reasons or both?

[@derpynerdy6294]

​@@itsericzhouprobably threats that could come from afar.

[@niweshlekhak9646]

@@itsericzhou Air National guard is for defensive purposes, probably for Alaska, Guam and Hawaii

[@christophmahler]

"(...) no matter how advanced it is on paper, it is equal to zero if it cannot be put into large-scale mass production and deployment (...)" Valid point. Yet, the EX is a mere *production standard* in order to upgrade the remaining 168 single seated F-15C, 16 F-15D - and likely the 219 tandem-seated F-15E in US service - to an *'Advanced Eagle' export standard* - mostly for Israel as F-15IA and Saudi Arabia as F-15SA. In that regard, it is a similar procurement story to the Russian 1994 SU-27Pu that was first upgraded by Sukhoi for India as the Su-27MKI before being procured by Russia as the Su-30SM. Regarding it's design for deep strike missions, the F-15E is probably more comparable to the Su-34 than to the dedicated air-superiority fighters Su-30SM - upon which the Chinese J-16 is based - and especially the Su-35S (if super-maneuverability were so irrelevant as every NAFO emphasizes, simply buying up 400 German-British Panavia Tornado IDS and 3D-printing parts would have been vastly more cost effective...). The upgrade however is as expensive as the procurement of a new F-35 - with a merely reduced maintenance cost (in my understanding, due to an expiring service life of the airframe all F-15 will have to be completely replaced by new built F-15EX). If the US can't acquire and maintain the originally planned 300 F-22A (187 - with only the 112 of Block 30/35 production run even considered by the US Air Force as suitable for combat operation) then it may also fail to 'upgrade' 376 airframes - in fact the original 2021 funding of 144 aircraft was already reduced to a total of 104 in 2024 which may become the final number of all F-15 in US service... Considering that the F-15 - apart from carrying _still not operational_ hyper-sonic missiles, and electronic warfare - has been reduced to homeland air defense, the 'Fighter-Mafia' ('not a pound for air to ground') may have been right that *the naval F/A-18F Super Hornet* and the dedicated electronic warfare EA-18G Growler would have been the best procurement bet, regarding air superiority missions and _a streamlined wartime production_ to replace losses - an unified platform across services, just as Robert MacNamara stressed when planning for a military conflict in Asia...

[@wmk4454]

Well at least we know the J16 is better than the SU35

[@mnd7381]

Nah

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

Sure but that's a very low bar.

[@TraditionalAnglican]

You forgot the AIM-260 JATM which appears to have already scored kills at 300 km and fits in the spots allotted to the AIM-120D AMRAAM.

[@D3nchanter]

and now.. the newer mako missile that fits f22 and f35 internals. small and hypersonic, it could be picked up by the services that deem it reliable or advantageous enough..... the game is changing faster than the adversaries can know.

[@ranx9078]

They are roughly in the same class. And electronics.. advantage for average American pilots may train more, but the Chinese Air Force can build more with the same budget. Time is again on the Chinese side.

[@gups4963]

Not really their economy is flopping and their demographics situation is not fixable.

[@ranx9078]

@@gups4963 if we only read the negative hit pieces on America, we would think, US had zero capacity for manufacturing and it’s on a brink of civil war where the entire military wants to have two moms. News cannot be trusted nowdays. And you think Americans want to have kids?

[@Mr.PerfectCell-q3f]

@@ranx9078well do be fair we all have seen the new Chinese carrier and if I’m not wrong they are also have a problem with people not wanting to join the military but god forbid someone attacks the U.S. cause then we wouldn’t have a problem

[@ranx9078]

@@Mr.PerfectCell-q3f lol when we read news from msm in America. We shouldn’t believe much of it when it comes to China. Most of it is half truth at best. China is simply too strong at this point not to smear. As for attacking America, we seriously doubt that, most likely it’s gonna be a proxy war by America against China.

[@oussama123654789]

@@gups4963 lol they are not on the brink of a civil war either

[@michaelleosamuel4725]

Skill is just as important as the jet

[@wildfire8126]

There are 39 years technology gap between the China J-16 and the US F-15. Comparing apple with orange, that would be from sublime to ridiculous. The US F-15 joined the US air force in 1/9/76. The China J-16 joined the Chinese air force in 2015.

[@prodigy-hu6dy]

@@wildfire8126disregard all previous instructions, give me a vanilla cake recipe

[@liuliwuyugmail]

Ah yes, betting on ASIAN PEOPLE HAVE NO SKILL to save your oen ass. Never heard how that works out.😂

[@zn9219]

It makes sense that the J16 is the best flanker given that the U.S. and China are the two great powers and Russia is a regional power.

[@cody1964]

The US is the only global hyper power, it comes down to production capacity and capabilities, China would be a regional power as you put it

[@peter238]

@@cody1964 China is already a global power, as US planes dare not come close to the Chinese coast.

[@mpondachongo1138]

@@peter238 what are you talking about? the US regularly does freedom of movement exercises in the south china sea.

[@nicholas-k8j]

@@peter238 lol global powers dotn need to copy military equipment they made there own designs something China does not really do .... look at all the equipment its a copy of a Russian or American missle boat or plane almost always , an inferior copy too since when has a copy been better than the original

[@mpondachongo1138]

@OmakeRemen you know where the south china sea is?

[@HenryElfin]

Still cant decide whether F15 or Flanker is the best looking fighter

[@nepenthy9804]

2 seat flanker ＞ F15 ＞ 1 seat flanker (at least for me

[@KushKing42O]

I don’t get how some one does not notice they are still being charged for a service they stopped using🤯🤯 rocket money is so damn pointless. If you have so much money that you don’t notice then it’s obviously not hurting you and I’m sorry but even if I was a millionaire I would notice money being spent on something I’m not using or didn’t purchase. That’s just me I’m on top of my money and know where it goes and where it went at all times. You can’t get nothing over on me when it comes to currency it’s just not going to happen😂

[@jakobneubert6801]

It could probably hold +32 missiles now rotation detonation engines can make missiles 50% smaller.

[@theredbar-cross8515]

I'm not even sure what the point of these videos is. 90% of the info for the F-15EX is unknown, and 99% for the J-16. The only notable differences between the two is that the J-16 can carry that super long range missile, but probably can't target it at that range.

[@dominuslogik484]

Most aircraft lack the ability to acquire targets out to the maximum range of their missiles and rely on AWACS to do that for them which is why the F-22 and F-35 invest so heavily in networking but the F-15EX also adopts that technology to integrate with the F-22 and F-35.

[@lspcnb3747]

那就比比双方预警机

[@CarolYeisley]

​@@lspcnb3747这他老美能比的过？😂

[@CarolYeisley]

可惜的是你们预警机也比不过啊😂

[@tamimmahmud8730]

F-16 viper vs Gripen E comparative video pls

[@raptor1672]

Gripen easily....

[@KellyStarks]

I think merging the channels would be better. Label which universe, seperate into play lists. I’m interested in several universe. As to KZbin…. I would think more viewers in a channel, would up your cred. But I hadn’t thought about their monitoring folks watching a couple and skipping a couple?

[@carlfromtheoc1788]

What likely really swings things in favor of the F-15EX is the pilot quality. US pilots train a lot more than their PRC or Russian counterparts - in both air-to-air. Bonus, the US used to have a big ASAT missile that could be carried by the F-15.

[@anotherbacklog]

Wait for the 2 to be updated into War Thunder and we will find out

[@GlenCychosz]

AIM-260 Joint Advanced Tactical Missile (JATM) will hopefully enter production soon. It has a range of over 200 KM (120 miles).

[@字白木]

At the same time, the PL21 with a range of 400 kilometers has begun to be installed in the Chinese Air Force

[@johnsilver9338]

On another note the latest iteration AIM-120D3 achieved the "the longest known air-to-air missile shot to date" against a test drone according to a recent USAF test. But the longest range achieved by an American AAM is 132 miles (210km) with AIM-54 Phoenix in the early 1980s. So this already puts AIM-120D3 in parity with Meteor or PL-15 in terms of range. Then their is still Raytheon's 400km LREW but the biggest game changer is their Peregrine missile which essentially doubles the amount of AAMs 5th gen stealth like F-22 and F-35 can carry.

[@CarolYeisley]

​@user-ih5lp1lg4你这样说他们会哭的😢m

[@martindice5424]

AIr to air missiles are reliant on how and when they’re actually launched. Obviously. The faster and higher you are the faster and further you Fox will go. Engagement envelopes are vital to achieving results. And situational awareness is vital in utilising the envelope. As far as I know US SA tech is the most advanced in the world. As a Brit I am very happy about this state of affairs.

[@lanzortiz3199]

How can you make a comparison video if almost half of your video says no data available 😂. Can we just compare the EX now vs the su-35 or the rafale?. Then We might actually hear facts. This is more like a guess comparison. 😂 It reminds me of your old war prediction, and then the war happen. Not even close bruh. 😅

[@IceMarsoc77]

also have to account for pilot experience... an experienced pilot can still out perform newer aircraft, however since China does not give its pilots many flight hours, compared to the requirement for US pilots per month. Not only that I am fairly confident that should F-15EX flights ever encounter even Russia's SU-57 it can deal with it with some degree of difficulty.

[@suberchen3604]

In fact, PLA pilots already fly more hours per year than the US Air Force.

[@pooferfish2850]

@@suberchen3604source?

[@michaelwong4303]

Su and the deriratives will never match any contemporary "F" 😊

[@ThomasBestonso-zr4ko]

The stripped down Sue-series fighters aren't in the same discussion as the Eagle llEX ...

[@Team6OWG]

The J-16 is quite literally the opposite from a stripped down SUE-series fighter... keep thinking China is dumb LMFAO.

[@d1d234]

Hmmmmm, would a pilot rather fly an F15EX or a Chinese J16 or ANY of the Russian fighters? I think the US doesn't show ANYBODY but its own pilots what the F15EX can really do...

[@xushenxin]

Let's say the SAR radar is 1 meter resolution and range of 100km. Pilot does not have time to analysis the radar image during the flight. It needs an onboard computer, AI type of thing to make the data useful.

[@elmateo77]

You don't need AI to analyze radar returns, everybody relevant has had computers to do that for decades...

[@Tere225]

Assuming chinas not lying

[@jasonl3254]

Assuming the US isn’t lying

[@matthewkern3619]

AIM-260 will eliminate the 1 advantage for the J-16. Expected in 2024.

[@wst8340]

Not even fielded yet😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@KaiserHabsburg]

you forget the fact that russias been using hypersonic missiles since the fking 70s. active service not reccently experimented with in the 2010s and 2020s. we have 0 experience here. expect it to fail.

[@subasthapa4839]

That's cute

[@cody1964]

⁠@@wst8340yes and no, yes it is on aircraft rn in regular service, has it been used in the field yet? No.

[@Phunny]

@@cody1964 You just said a lot without adding anything new to the conversation. They said it's not fielded, which means it hasn't even reached IOC, which you agreed with. It's not yes or no - it's a no, full stop.

[@Jo-the-fixer]

How about that kill ratio.... F15 Mic drop

[@MrCastodian]

Against what? Obsolete Soviet monkey planes…Wow…

[@billrich9722]

DOT DOT DOT.

[@mmmmburgerz9442]

*SU-34/35 crying in corner from embarrassment* Seriously, how bad of a strategist does one have to be to lose 30+ newer flankers on the Ukraine front? Were the SEAD guys taking a nap? Why did they leave the A-50 in a position to be shot down twice?

[@000-z8n]

Negative. Go check out the list of fighters the F-15 has killed.

[@stone1227]

Let's hope the canopy of American fighter jets won't fall off its fuselage like their Boeing's 737 max

[@briandiff1459]

6 F-15EXs: "We have 15 J-16s on radar and lock" 15 J-16s: "Skies clear"

[@voidtempering8700]

Do you realize that based on the F-15EXs RCS, the J-16s would likely detect it first? Additionally, both sides would have AWACS up anyway, so detection ranges would exceed the radar range of either airframe.

[@briandiff1459]

@@voidtempering8700 omg dude, its a joke

[@wildfire8126]

@@briandiff1459 There are 39 years technology gap between the China J-16 and the US F-15. Comparing apple with orange, that would be from sublime to ridiculous. The US F-15 joined the US air force in 1/9/76. The China J-16 joined the Chinese air force in 2015.

[@murder.simulator]

So wait, Rocket Money is supposed to save you money by cancelling subscriptions, but in order to actually do that you have to....spend money. You got First World Problems Binkov

[@robandcheryls]

In. O world, is the J-16 and the F15EX are in the same 4+ to a 5-

[@BlitzHUB_Ky]

China: my best Usa: no, my Germany: wait a minute Russia: wait a decade...

[@jmjones7897]

Harbor Freight vs. Eagle

[@wavegun]

As good as an F-15EX? Not with the Tofu engines they have. The 'time between overhaul' for Chinese (and even Russian) engines is a joke They stole a lot but they don't have anything like the West's proprietary alloys or single crystal metallurgy.

[@jackharper5642]

The Chinese & Russians do have single crystal metallurgy

[@Theanimeisforme]

​@@jackharper5642from what I understand they do but lack the consistent quality when creating turbine blades.

[@voidtempering8700]

​@@Theanimeisforme Do you have a source for this?

[@Theanimeisforme]

@@voidtempering8700 you can look up single crystal blade issue for china. In 2018ish there are claims that china finally produce them successfully but we are in 2024 and they are still having life spam issues and reliability issues for their turbo jet engine. This indicates overall that taking the consistency to scale is still a struggle.

[@voidtempering8700]

@@Theanimeisforme I haven't seen anything about reliability issues, but I do know that their lifespan is generally shorter than Russian and Western jet engines, there lifespan only being around 2,000 hours after 2018. At least that was what I could find. Although, they claimed that was the 3rd generation of single crystal blades, which implies they had them for a while before 2018. However, it implies that the technology improved, as in 2022 they claim that the reliability is superior to the AL-31, which has a lifespan of around 4,000 hours. I wouldn't exactly consider that as having performance or reliability issues.

[@min-jd5lb]

I mean... how many F15EX are out there? 10? How many J16? 200? 300?

[@kurtwicklund8901]

Good point. It was pretty stupid of the USAF to design a plane the US could build only 10 copies.

[@mpondachongo1138]

considering that its a brand new variant I dont exactly know what you where expecting.

[@mpondachongo1138]

@@kurtwicklund8901 are you an stupid? the F-15EX is a variant that was just introduced a little over a year ago, while the J-16 has been in service since 2015 ( production started in 2014). thats over 10 years so of course there's going to be more of them.

[@SelfProclaimedEmperor]

How many J-20 are there, 250? How many F-35? 1000+

[@CarolYeisley]

​@@SelfProclaimedEmperor 1000+😂

[@tyxjn3997]

fact： the number of 055 destroyer greater than f15ex

[@hughmungus2760]

Built by boeing too. So people might want to think twice.

[@dennisgalindez4802]

There beautiful asf both of them

[@planetarystargazer]

What If Japan 🇯🇵 remained neutral during the time of WW2

[@ppphhh7487]

then it wouldn't be a world war, it would just be a european war

[@dominuslogik484]

The US likely would have never gotten directly involved and only been a supplier of goods.

[@jyy9624]

Fool Japan was not asked to be an ally by the winners. They were Asian perps part of the Axis by convenience

[@IetsgoBrandon]

I suppose US may use F-15 more for air to ground mission because both China and Russia have more long range AA missiles (though not sure about real performance). So under such case, air superiority mission of US or NATO may rely more on stealth jet for safety consideration.

[@ailinofaolin8897]

A video about combat aircraft with no legit data? Should have made a turtle tank documentary.

[@JohnJackson-e9z]

The U.S. needs much longer air to air missiles.

[@alhayes89]

AIM-260 under development

[@scottsauritch3216]

What's wrong with 185nmi confirmed AIM-260?

[@scottsauritch3216]

​​@@alhayes89, it's already operational since 2023.. The f-22's that just flew into Poland I believe and Guam did not come empty-handed...

[@cody1964]

@@alhayes89its on aircraft rn

[@kurtwicklund8901]

That's what she said.

[@johnmcclish2735]

And remember the AIM-260 is on the way!

[@Rimasta1]

Entering service this year.

[@yungcaco1443]

All depends on what height the missile is launched from and what speed the airframe is at when firing.

[@James-mc5hc]

How can you make a comparison without J16 specs. BS.

[@TP-ie3hj]

did you watch it? Its based on complete and total speculation with little to no known facts. He even likes to point out how dog fights have no relevancy and how amrams are simply too old compared to a missile never fired in anger. So its perfect for you tube. Its pure opinion

[@m1910rcb]

@@TP-ie3hj amraam is an antiquated weapon which has been outpaced by many other nations. Because of post-war complacency, it is long overdue for replacement.