Can You Gain Muscle in a Calorie Deficit? | Educational Video | Biolayne

[@Ketobodybuilderajb]

Yes. Also, no.

[@rockyevans1584]

Maybe, too

[@DiskoKDiskoL]

​@@rockyevans1584it depends, is the real answer.

[@rockyevans1584]

@@DiskoKDiskoL it's a joke, you pleb

[@overtonesnteatime198]

😅

[@SeyidAr]

Pretty much the answer to everything ever lmao

[@r88a]

I tried gaining muscle in a calorie deficit last year and I got a dramatically toned body in about 3 months, eventhough it wasn't crazy gains my body still improved significantly. Now I'm returning after a 4 month break and trying it again.

[@adrees]

Hey, I just started doing this. I’m trying to be in a significant calorie deficit and the majority of my calories are coming from protein. May I ask how you did it and how you were able to keep it up for 3 months? And how was your energy levels weight lifting?

[@DanielGutierrez-xh1fl]

@@adreesdon’t go on a crazy deficit or you’ll lose muscle mass too try to be in like a 300 deficit from your maintenance calorie and eat plenty of protein per pound 1gram per pound max

[@etcetc3800]

how much protein were you eating daily?

[@phunkracy]

​@@etcetc38001.4/kg is enough

[@lucasvarley9764]

Informative video indeed! I used this video and a custom meal plan from Next Level Diet to lose 10 pounds. I'm stoked!

[@aneetpatel8819]

Yes you absolutely can. The last time I ran tren 350mg/week I built muscle while losing lots of fat it really works

[@maenlest17]

It'd be the best supplement out there if it wasn't for creatine10g/d.

[@bawseeeee602]

Liver King, is that you ?

[@schwantz037]

Mike o Tren

[@DiskoKDiskoL]

How much tren is considered still natty

[@wigletron2846]

@@DiskoKDiskoL any PED less than 1 gram is natty

[@Random_cleans]

I had the love handles and belly forming at the end of last year. I went on a calorie deficit but with gold standard whey protein daily and workouts every 2nd day. I now have a 6 pack and prominent, larger muscles. So yeah it's possible. For me it was stating away from junk food and making sure I never missed a workout nomatter how tired I was from work. In my opinion you're either happy with your body or not.

[@dylanconnors1180]

I can confirm it's absolutely possible! I've been in a caloric deficit for about 7 weeks, walking 10k steps everyday and doing Push/Pull/Legs split 6x week. The number on my scale isn't really changing (190lbs) but I'm much more lean and have put on a considerable amount of muscle mass already.

[@Jakobguldager70]

That's not really how you do science. But good on you!

[@tribunaldude]

Mostly improved myogenic tone from the constant training, more glycogen in muscles, some muscle gain from the sudden change in routine and possibly increase in weekly volume, some definite fat loss from the increased activity. It wont last.

[@alexnagel614]

If number on scale hasn’t changed that’s probably a recomp on weight maintenance

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

Same here Lost 20 kg fat, gained 5 kg muscle in 2 years. 44 years old.

[@soonahero]

7 weeks is nothing for muscle building

[@AdamScottfit]

Great video as always, Layne! I think it really comes down to absolute goals as well. Most untrained males that have a significant amount of body fat don't want to maximize every lb of muscle growth, but they still want to build some muscle while losing fat. So maximizing a recomp with this population always makes sense to me from a logical standpoint. Then, when they've lost sufficient body fat, we can focus on bulking and cutting cycles independently.

[@rdance3]

February of 2021 I did a DEXA Scan at 56 years old. I've been a lifter since 1975. I was 166 lbs and tested out at 13.9% bodyfat. 5 months later, I got another scan. During the 5 months, I was in a 200 calorie per day deficit. At the time of the test, I lost 3 lbs. and weighed 163 lbs. The test results revealed that I had gained 6 lbs of lean mass and was 9.9% bodyfat.

[@zucc3866]

If you lost 3lbs, you definitelly were not in 200 calorie deficit per day:)

[@rdance3]

You are absolutely right. It was more like 70 calories. @@zucc3866

[@BeKind419]

@@zucc3866 9lbs fat loss. Gained 6lbs muscle = 3lbs weight loss. It’s not rocket science 💀 it’s easy math. (Approx. 30 days in a month x5 months= 150 days. 150 days x 200 cal. Deficit = -30,000cal deficit, now divide by 3,500cal (how many calories needed to lose 1lb of fat) = 8.57lbs lost. Round up to 9 for those months with 31 days. Easy Peasy. Now go kick rocks. Lol.

[@Mr.BasixCSCS]

I know the priority is usually fat loss in the context of physique/bodybuilding performance but I believe a video on fat loss as it relates to weight restricted sports would be a great topic of discussion!

[@the_rockdoc_]

That would be super cool! As a rock climber there's a constant struggle between trying to get stronger but also staying light. A discussion on strength training for those who aren't actually trying build mass per se but simply get stronger would be beneficial.

[@exhibitD79]

​@@the_rockdoc_ I feel like the most important stenghts there are developed during climbing type training excercises (outside of climbing) and correct body fueling for endurance.

[@BeanyBop]

It is deffinatley possible. I started fasting and weight lifting 7 days a week. Whilst also watching my calories. I became obsessive and at one point was only having about 1200 calories a day. Which I don't recommend ( I eat much more now ). I lost like 3 inches in waist size. And a stone and a half. My belly fat is going down. But the scale is not saying I am putting on weight . Despite the fact I look more lean now in my arms and shoulders. At a certain point you start ignoring the scale and start seeing how you look instead.

[@edkruzel]

I think the key takeaway is "significant". Thanks Layne.

[@johnbrunsdon7938]

It’s worked for me - detrained and about two stone overweight. Lost all the excess weight in six months and added an inch to both my biceps and chest. Last few weeks I seemed to have hit the wall in terms of available gains from training at a calorie deficit and have started eating more, but - for a limited time at least - it worked for me.

[@Toys4YouJucariiPentruTine]

4 the algo 😂 you are awesome. Got me to rethink my life, actually you ve got petter attia to rethink some stuff so…you re awsome💪

[@epaminon6196]

One of the biggest mistakes I did when I decided to transform from a fat slob to a slim lifter was starting lifting AFTER I had gotten rid of most of my fat. I should have started lifting when I was still obese. Wasted a year of gains there.

[@epaminon6196]

@pkingslayer Excess bodyfat is like free extra weight in the gym. Spread out across most of the body. If you start lifting whilst being obese, well, a few dozen pounds overweight ideally, you can burn calories and stimulate muscle growth at the same time. You won't build muscles as quickly during a caloric deficit but your body will already adapt to the extra strain and challenge you put forth. There's also the advantage of muscle preservation. If you lose fat during a long-term diet but don't train your muscles enough at the same time, you will lose some of your lean mass as well. So if you only start hypertrophy training AFTER intensive fat loss, you'll first have to spend several months _re-gaining_ muscle mass that you had BEFORE you started losing all that excess bodyfat. In short: Start doing hypertrophy training at the beginning of your diet, whilst still being overweight. Important: Make sure to only use joint-friendly exercises and training equipment for the first year or so. That way, you'll be far less likely to overwhelm & (maybe) permanently damage joints during the timeframe when your sinews and muscles haven't had a chance yet to adapt to a high-stress regiment. I give thanks to Captain Hindsight.

[@Meangenehimself]

Thank you for being a voice of reason in a giant sea of bro science.

[@dmourati]

I did an accidental recomp. On a cut, strict calorie deficit (~500 cal/day), tracked macros, 10k steps, 3x strength training per week, fat loss and muscle gain verified by consecutive DEXA scans two months apart. I was surprised. I am obese but not new to lifting so your category 2.

[@briangoodhealth]

Such a great and helpful and concise video.

[@jasminderbharij5861]

Thank you. Youve just effectively answered a question ive been going bonkers about just like you in your initial training.

[@JoaoCardoso86]

Topic for a video: how aggressive can my deficit caloric be on a cut before starting to lose muscle mass?

[@transformxruby]

that will depend on how lean you are as well as your training and protein intake too

[@bullinvginshop9011]

The more fat you have the safer your muscle is during a hard cut. Your fat stores are spread out around the body and can only give up a small amount of the stored energy at a time.

[@Hoaxed00]

Generally anything above a 10% deficit is considered counterproductive, people with high bfp can possible get away with more but it is not recommended

[@Shvabicu]

@@Hoaxed00 you should go higher on the deficit in a cut than the surplus on a bulk. Cutting fat is easier than gaining muscle and can and should be done quicker. Just aim for up to 1% total weight loss per week.

[@Hoaxed00]

@@Shvabicu Working under the assumption that we want to preserve as much muscle mass as possible 1% total weight loss per week can be a bit high. Deficits above 500 calories or 1lbs tissue loss per week start to introduce risks to muscle loss, especially if you are already on the leaner side. The 250 I mentioned earlier is perhaps a bit conservative, but losing as much as 1% total weight per week is generally reserved for people with higher bfp. If you're at 200 lbs and want to lose 1% a week you are looking at a deficit of roughly 1000 calories

[@kylesalanoa5928]

Commenting for my boy layne and the algorithm

[@colterknight3778]

Thanks! I've found intermittent fasting to work well concerning this issue. Not so much "bulk" building but lean sculpting. I also find sufficient energy in the gym compared to other dieting.

[@cllh2011]

The secret is calorie surplus for 5 days for muscle gain, then fast 2 days for fat loss…there you go

[@chattingwithshap8010]

Great video. Bulking - cutting = BS. Way too many people don’t understand the Science of nutrition and training. Keeping a diet that is maintenance or very slightly a caloric surplus is key. Doing a yo-yo form is horrible for hormones and rarely works long-term. The examples Lane gave of certain populations are spot on. For somebody starting the best idea is training effectively, recovery and eating quality foods (protein, carbs and fat) while staying consistent. Ask questions if you need help.

[@np1663]

Should carbs be kept minimal? I naturally crave meats with their fats. Although not deliberate my diet is very Keto.

[@chattingwithshap8010]

@@np1663 I personally don’t believe so. I always think of a balance so matter the goals. If you’re trying to gain weight a light caloric surplus is perfect. 300-500 calorie extra will work well. Those calories should come from real food. Diets in my opinion are short term successes that rarely work over the long haul. Let me know if this helps.

[@chattingwithshap8010]

@daveh71 not according to what many people do. Adding a slight caloric surplus is how you can avoid getting too much fat gain. Most people eat way too much crap and gain more fat than muscle.

[@chattingwithshap8010]

@daveh71 I won’t get into a back and forth. Just know that most people do not do a caloric surplus correctly. They gain too much fat, then cut back and repeat. The best way to improve is a consistent training cycle with it yo-yo back and forth cycling. You can call it what you like. Also, I’ve been training and competing for probably longer than you’ve been living.

[@mellymel9233]

I like this video you said exactly what I was thinking. Thanks for the clarification

[@mihaipap7375]

Thank you, I have been waiting for this video my whole life. I fall in the first 2 categories and I was very confused for years, the info out there is so contradictory

[@ZelRel]

Yes especially comin back from an injury... i can vouch

[@selfmadefps1640]

As a category 1 and 2 guy i can say it works 6 months in. Will start to bulk in june should be decent tune in ! 💪🏾

[@UNGETABLE7]

For the algorithm and as always for the quality content. Much appreciated Layne!

[@SamStanley-581]

Just found this channel. Subbed and loved 👌

[@Marx1963]

How much of a deficit is the question ! You can find the Goldilocks area with a small deficit (100-200 calories under maintenance) as long as protein is requirements are met . Mixing few days maintenance will also help keep metabolism up. Add Walking as active rest . It will take a year or more but it can be done ✔️

[@soonahero]

It’s not. Once you get weight to below your total muscle mass, of course you lost muscle

[@DeidraAnnOfficial]

Love Layne! Wish i could be his best bud so we could talk about nutrition science all day long!

[@rickmancini772]

Thanks for another great video. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on Perfect Amino. They claim to be more effective than whey protein, claiming that only a small percentage of the whey protein aminos uptake.

[@Not-cu5ir]

Gracias holmes

[@kyletriesfitness500]

Hi Layne, I heard over our local news that a new China study linked energy drinks to male pattern balding. Would be keen to hear you dissect it and see if there is any validity to it.

[@miguelcrupovich]

Thanks so much for all the great content you put constantly. True value in your content

[@madhusudan]

I was both fat and a new lifter and successfully recomped over a few years. It took a while to develop the habits, so only in the past year have I been totally consistent both in diet and training. Now I'd say I'm high-beginner or low-intermediate lifter. 2 days home workout with KBs during the week, then a heavy day at the gym on Saturday. It's probably time to focus on distinct phases of gain/cut, but I have a beach vacation in 2 months. Would you suggest cutting for the next 8 weeks, sacrificing some of my possible gains for a little vanity, or just go on a slow bulk and wait until next year? I'd estimate my bodyfat at low-to-mid 20s%.

[@CNS1908]

I can also confirm this can be done, I am doing it right now.

[@AlexanderMoen]

I think I related too much to the "bulk then cut" repetitions and getting nowhere that you mentioned earlier. I can put on weight pretty easily and lose it easily too. But, when I bulk, I really don't like getting to the point of not being able to see my abs anymore ~15% body fat. I'm currently trying to cut while being in a deficit but still getting >1g protein per pound of body weight. I don't fit in any of those 3 categories for deficit gainers, so I'm hoping if I repeat this bulk then high protein cut that I can make better long term gains.

[@adrees]

What do you do for your other macros if everything is focused on protein? How many calories do you get?

[@AlexanderMoen]

@@adrees right now I'm doing ~2200 calories and ~210 grams of protein (at 6'5" 205lbs), with the other macros split between carbs and fat, not paying as much attention to those. I previously didn't do high protein deficits, so I'm hoping this time around I maintain muscle, but it's still too early to tell

[@LL-hs4jo]

​@@AlexanderMoen2200 calories? Dude your over 6ft. Your absolutely killing yourself. Being in a deficit for long periods really isn't healthy. Do you look good? Yes. Do you feel good? Definitely not. Do you think that feeling like death everyday is worth it?

[@JesusGarcia-Digem]

Gaining muscle on OMAD!

[@mbra8228]

I was kokony for this!

[@books991]

Great video 👍 with regards to overweight people being able to do both significantly at the same time, what sort of body fat percentage we talking? Even then would you say it’s much more efficient to do dedicated bulking and cutting phases instead of trying to do both at the same time?

[@bobbysutton8235]

Well explained as always! 💪👌👍

[@limakayello9354]

Thank you for simplifying 😊

[@nilsschear1095]

I was able to recomp at 45 as an experienced lifter in a deficit. I’d never really used creatine consistently so I started that every day while tracking a calorie deficit. The creatine helped me gain while I lost fat. It did plateau after about six months but it’s definitely possible. I pretty much stayed the same weight for that six months but got stronger and visibly more jacked.

[@michaelmazepa3802]

Of course you can. I personally have but also especially when you first start your using your own fat as fuel so there's no reason why it can't contribute to muscle building if your deficient isn't too large. Your not complelty losing body tissue just fat at first and that is your fuel for workouts and muscle building as opposed to outside food.

[@luiscanamarvega]

If you’re fat: absolutely. If you’re somewhat lean: yes but its hard If you’re very lean: practically no

[@zes793]

@@SurfyStories It's not possible for anybody without adequate protein intake. You can get plenty of protein while in a deficit though, and if you're fat you can build muscle while losing that fat. I'm getting like 200g of protein a day on 1400 calories.

[@zes793]

@FyreWanderer Yes lots of lean chicken, but other stuff with a high protein/calorie ratio as well. Lean beef, greek yogurt, eggs, protein powders, cottage cheese, etc. I still eat other stuff that isn't as protein rich so I can have a more balanced nutrient profile but it's relative caloric impact is lower. Spinach, broccoli, kale, cucumber, celery, etc. Foods with a decent amount of bulk and nutrients/vitamins but very low calories. Most of them also bring along some protein too, even if it's not as prevalent as in something like chicken breast. I still have leeway to snack on small amounts of other stuff too, like some feta cheese or almonds or whatever I feel like really. A slice of aged cheddar here and there. I'd struggle a lot more if I was just eating chicken breast all day. The variety of stuff makes it okay.

[@koco1235]

I'm 5ft 10 weighing at 67KG (147lbs) BMI is normal range but I am skinny with only fat at my stomach. I want to put on more muscle to fill out my frame. Would it be advised to bulk or cut?

[@mikafoxx2717]

Definitely bulk..

[@frontsquatsandfrenchbulldo3020]

Makes sense. I am trying to gain strength/muscle in maintenance calories. I have been taking it slow and focusing on hitting my protein every day. So far, so good. You can't beat science, tho.

[@TobyKBTY]

I did get lots of strength back (Even go a little stronger) while training on a deficit. BUT I should say this was after a state of being de-trained for like 6 months due to a surgery and getting COVID last year. At 14 pounds down over 5 months, I still managed to work my way up to my original working weights before getting wrist surgery and now look leaner with some muscles looking fuller. I got that semi-noob again gains hack after being detrained lmao

[@joshcjones85]

Does this apply to strength too? Should I expect a loss of strength during a weight loss phase whilst keeping protein and calories equated and attempting to continue progressive overload?

[@Wanker527]

I do it all the time, but you have to keep cycling your activity and eating cycles. You will NOT gain more than small amounts of muscle this way, however, and you will plateau easily. It’s taken me ten years to kinda dial in, and I couldn’t write up how I do it even if I wanted to. It’s more intuitive at this point, and wouldn’t recommend it to most if they asked. I’d point them to a more traditional bulk/cut cycle.

[@pr3ttyb0yfl4cko]

Hey bro, I hope you can reply. I'm skinny fat that's why I want to lose fat and build muscle at the same time. I am on a calorie deficit, I eat more protein, and I do strength training every MWF and 30 minutes (only) cardio every TTh. All I want is to lose my stubborn belly fat and my for my body to become toned and pretty muscular (I don't want to get big like a typical bodybuilder). Will my workout plan work?

[@KenithCopeland]

Another very useful video

[@CarbageMan]

So you're saying when you go back and forth between gaining and cutting you're only changing energy consumption? PS: Not changing macros?

[@Nobodyyoucarabout]

I tore my ACL a year and a half ago, Ive been training for a bodybuilding show thats in 11 weeks, i started 6 months ago. About 16 weeks out from the show i started my deficit. My surgical leg was about 10% smaller than my stronger leg. Ive spent the past month bringing up with weaker leg with unilateral movements, while keeping the stronger leg at maintenance volume. Its now the same size as the non surgical leg For what its worth

[@jong3821]

I've been strength training for almost 4 months. Never lifted weights before. Went from 260 to 173 since February. I'm at 18.5% body fat. I have no idea how long it's going to take to get to around 14% I've been told this time of year I should go into a calorie surplus. I'm lost. (49yrs old)

[@Seriouslyfunny1]

For any confusions, take a simple hypothetical example. Suppose a person needs 1300 calories, of which assume 400 comes from 100 gram proteins (1 g protein gives 4 calories) and 900 cals come from 100 gram of fats (1 g fat = 9 cals). So you'll be have a 200 gram intake. Suppose you cut down calories to 1200 but all of it is protein. That would make it 300 g of proteins. So the total intake is 300 grams. So yes, reducing calories by cutting down fats and replacing them with proteins CAN make you bigger. How healthy it will be, that's a different story.

[@albertpaxton4855]

Greta video! Thank you

[@Rocksolid23]

On point!

[@talks2squirrels953]

woot!! happy dance 💃 🤸‍♀️🏋‍♀️

[@Abu_Teazy]

Muscle building is based on signals, adequate protein intake and proper resistance training. Thats it

[@diolanda8570]

Been doing it for a year. It is slow, but very possible.

[@JaykleMusic]

nice info once again Layne 💪✊👏

[@SS-wi4tm]

Is this different for women?

[@seanissomething]

Great video!

[@dogsbollocksgenius9480]

If you’re on steroids yes, if you’re natural, no. Short answer

[@Ket4n]

Take creatine and 1.2x of body weight protein if you want to build muscle and cut fat at same time..

[@LafeJames]

Ab anxiety kept me in a deficit for way too long. Hit a hard wall after the newbie gains. Eating in a consistent surplus is the only way I'm able to build and progress. Cutting the fat off is easy, building the muscle is the hard part.

[@misbeck2042]

Of course its possible

[@matth348]

Building muscle whilst eating lots of food is faster, but being on a cut is faster way to improve fat to muscle ratio.

[@andrewdiolosa3861]

Yes you can ..... its not complicated ......

[@vinhsanity]

I can confirm it's possible, but it's tough. I've had many athletes do it but not at significant levels.

[@ghadasmallworld]

Love this guy

[@danieljamescoach]

Great vid thanks

[@DefendYourGains]

Im overweight 32% body fat, im in a calorie deficit (1700 a day) eating mostly only protein, i was kind of muscley/skinny before i stopped working out in covid (2 years of gym 5 days a week) and im on a first s4 sarm cycle 2 does at 25ml a day (total50mg) - 2 weeks in and haven't lost anything! Q_Q i meet 3 of the first categories and still not dropping. And im working out extra hard, 3rd week of Jeff Nippard workout program 5 day split too!!

[@ja4476]

Having more slow twitch fibers, does it make any difference ?!! since two months I work legs 3.5 times a week (quads then hams/glutes). I'm seeing a big diffrerence in growth. so about 8 times a month for both side.... and a lot of series, sets from 16 to 5...... my question is, if you've got more fast or slow twitch fibers, does it make any difference ?

[@YMESYDT]

SLIGHT caloric surplus is an important part of this conversation that we don't emphasize enough

[@soonahero]

It’s not. You can always cut later

[@מנחםכהן-ז9ט]

Thank you

[@mcfarvo]

Yes: enough stored energy, permissive amino acid, fatty acid, and micro-nutrient intake, sufficient stimulus with training paired with sleep/rest/recovery; most likely with an overfat, untrained individual with proper diet, exercise, and lifestyle; extremely unlikely for an exotically lean, advanced trainee, deep into a long cut, especially if hormonally tanked by poor sleep.

[@Drawingmylanguages]

When I started a carnivore diet I went down from around 175 lbs to 159. I didn’t go back to a regular diet because I really like the benefits I have seen. One month ago I started lifting weights again and so far I gain 3 pounds of muscle. I hope I keep gaining at that rate. I will update this comment in the future.

[@alexgordon9428]

I’m in a very similar situation 185 to 158 and I just sent my self into a clean bulk phase cause I want more muscle bad, will let u know what happens, plan to cut in about six months and will have a better bmi

[@midwestapprentice1904]

My 21 year bulk allows me to do this hahaha

[@drossonero7595]

Yes, especially on gear

[@jimmylight4866]

Well it might depend on how much fat you got on you. If your fat you can gain muscle in a 400-500 calorie deficit. No reason your body cannot used stored fat(energy) to build muscle. If your already lean your better off in a 100-300 surplus. Just my thoughts.

[@cmyskinsfan]

I’m very overweight at 6’2 and 320. Just started with zepbound and will be drastically reducing my intake to about 1500 calories a day (hopefully I’ll be able to eat at least that much). I’m making sure every meal is packed with healthy foods with high nutritional value. Im also lifting and getting some cardio. However, I’m scared of losing muscle which would drop my metabolism instead of losing fat, which is the whole point of these changes in my life. Is my understanding that as long as you eat enough protein and lift in my situation that my body will break down my fat and use the protein to rebuild/strengthen muscle? Trying to do things right here…

[@Fan_Takes]

Yes its possible

[@Dani-jo9yr]

Finally we agree on something 💯😝😅👏🤝

[@heartscreature]

Thanks

[@brianjackson5732]

I was able to do it because I was fat (230 pounds at 5'8) and became dedicated to working out and doing cardio while lifting weights. Like the video says, the first 40 pounds were easy to transform as a new lifter, but the last 10 pounds have been slow like watching paint dry.

[@tepos8024]

Yes. Source I did it. Got stronger and stretch marks while losing like 30 pounds and abs

[@girishpurohit3336]

Absolutely Yes

[@jillianellis5286]

As an overweight person in a calorie deficit who had just started lifting I once lost 3kg fat and gained almost 2kg lean muscle mass in one month.

[@robinkat]

Yes!!! Because I have multiple times! Now is it a fast muscle gain?..... no, but it still is happening and I am fine with the slow muscle gain. I think most people want to gain muscle way way way faster. But for me I don't care so long as it's gradually happening and I'm not losing muscle.

[@gotmikl3075]

I personally over come this challenge by taking copious amounts of Tren or Test or preferably both. I think you'll find that strategy particularly effective.

[@Alex-ry6cd]

Hah, this did make me chuckle.

[@ceezer373]

Off-topic: Could you do a video addressing whether or not there are any health or performance benefits (arthritis/inflammation, cognitive function/focus, etc) to avoiding gluten for non-celiac folks?

[@alexmorrissey8385]

I 1000% believe you could have recomped your way there. Over how many years? Absolutely possible. It also sounds like what you did in your earlier years of bulking and cutting was, by definition, NOT even body recomp...? (As you quite clearly stated you gained a ton of fat and so you quickly switched to then cut in a way that lost you muscle mass). Essentially what you said was that you took the approach of bulking and cutting, but simply didn't give either of those phases enough time to effectively work. And then you did and you saw better results. In a nut shell, what we are arguing is - do we want to take the approach of 3 steps forward and 1 step back (experiencing a "fluffy" phase and then cutting back and losing some mass) or do we want to take slower steps that all march progressively forward (experiencing a leaner look year-round). I personally think one consistent year or maximizing protein intake and training hard while minimizing fat gain is both a more sustainable and more enjoyable way to experience my body and my gains journey than this back and forth of excess fat into big cuts.

[@tamasvasko6761]

Don't let that parrot who is screaming and yelling about "maingaining" on his couch all the time hear that over the long term you need a surplus to build muscle...

[@andrew30133]

i gained probably 20 lbs of muscle going from 320 lbs to 200 lbs. it took me 3 years but i 100% got wayyyyy stronger. in most cases i think this is only possible for obese people.

[@johnbiggs3912]

great video

[@fredlodexpo2011]

I’m almost certain that when he was 145 lbs he was severely underweight cause 60 lbs of lean body tissue it’s almost unnatural unless you were underweight, cause I’m 150 lbs but I’m 5’5 so I don’t look bad at all but at 17 years old I was 100 lbs wet and was severely underweight, I would only eat maybe 2 meals a day but once I stopped running the streets and stopped doing drugs I gained 25 lbs in like 3 months without ever working out so I believe 125-130 was what I should’ve waited that whole time that I was running the streets(if I wasn’t) and once I started working out in a span of like 7 years Ive gained 20 lbs, so I’m like 8 years I’ve gained 50 lbs but I wouldn’t say that cause I was severely underweight when I gained most of it.

[@FitLabb]

A bit complicated, but the answer is yes and no depending on the specific situation