Biological Differences Between Men and Women | Jordan B Peterson

A conversation with Bret Weinstein (an evolutionary biologist) on differences between men and women. From the Joe Rogan Experience #1006: • Joe Rogan Experience #...
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[@johnfauxnom4221]

I found this video through a VIce article claiming that Peterson was a crazy, bloodthirsty woman-hater. I watched the video and I cannot understand how one gets that impression of the man, unless they didn't actually watch the video... Wait, I already said I was reading Vice

[@jimdouglasmorrison5972]

Politics my dude! Everyone that doesn't agree with their views, will be portrayed as a monster. They use media to brainwash stupid, ignorant people.

[@Warmaka]

I had a huuuuuuuge disagreement about this broader topic with my brother... All I could take away was that he thought female quotas and affirmative action to bring women into STEM fields and politics were necessary because "We have to start somewhere". To my question as to why we shouldn't also bring more females into mines, sewage working and menial labor, he had no answer, but was still adamant in his points. He apparently disagrees with the notion that women and men choose career paths differently on account of biological reasons and accredits this discrepancy to hundreds of years of ingrained patriarchal cultures and a lack of female role models. At the very least he acknowledges that biology plays a minor role, but that, if our society was truly as equal as I claim it to be, women and men would end up in the same careers more often. bring the ratio closer to 50/50. Again, that's apparently why quotas are OK, "we have to start somewhere"... Scary thing is that he's extremely educated and basically talked all over me, but his arguments made little to no sense...

[@ApplesGhost]

It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle. The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few calculations beforehand. Both Sun Tzu quotes.

[@TashiRogo]

"We have to start somewhere" is an acknowledgement that the current strategy is a bad idea, and that he does not know any other way. The irony, to me, is that this particular "somewhere" will leave the overall group worse off than it was to begin with. You end up with more positions filled by people who are generally less suited to them for the precise reason that you are focusing on both filling a position and on trying to select for "equality". If instead a focus is placed on understanding what the differences are between people, and then tailoring positions to encompass these attributes, I posit you will find that the positions naturally get filled by the people they are catered to. The overall group remains more productive. Of course, this was obvious before "everyone is equal" became a mantra. Organizers and caregivers in the workforce have historically been more female, while engineers and physical laborers have tended to be men. Equality by fiat will never be a success.

[@Brutaltronics]

does "We have to start somewhere" continues to "the end justifies the mean"? and then it goes "by any means necessary". just curious.

[@AudioGardenSlave123]

Argedon That's called an ideological slave. Let him know that he is perpetuating slavery without resistance.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

Argedon if your brother was right, then my female cousin wouldn't have quit a very successful law career to raise a family full-time. It's anecdotal evidence I've seen like this that proves Peterson and others like Weinstein and Molyneux right. Women just aren't satisfied, roughly speaking, by the career path. It's why many retire by the time they're 30 and are having or are looking to have kids. They also mate across and up social hierarchies so it's now very common to see an educated career woman washed up in her 40's wondering where all the "good men" have gone. The highly successful men of her generation, of course, are out having it off with young interns, not burned out nearly menopausal spinsters. Hell, even Karl Marx couldn't figure out why women wanted to join the male workforce. If he couldn't understand that, guess that suggests just how moronic feminist ideology actually is.

[@koehnboy]

Keep speaking the truth Dr. Peterson ✊😎 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@shawnski001]

This was a great conversation Dr. Peterson. Keep up the awesome work!

[@SEPicious]

This video did not show up on my notifications as usual. I have seen other channels suffer the same "mistake" recently.

[@LiamADye]

That may be because this isn't JP's regular channel. If you scroll up and look at the channel name, you'll find that it says "Jordan B Peterson Clips" rather than "Jordan B Peterson." It's a different channel. Though I could be wrong as you said it did the same thing with other channels, in that case I would take a look at your KZbin notification settings If I were you.

[@marsnatas6663]

My non binary genitalia just got sorted out as far as i can tell.

[@chicanery5305]

What music does he play at the end of his videos?

[@Viriyascybin]

Jaxon Kehler Troy Banarzi, Minimalism

[@jagu1143]

Self sacrifice has nothing to do with agreeableness. Agreeableness is just conflict aversion

[@nickpop4649]

Huumm maybe.

[@groovegnome]

I fail to see a dichotomy in conflict aversion and self sacrifice. To avoid conflict, one would have to be sacrificing the benefit you would receive from the resolution of the problem in favor of not inflicting conflict on another person.

[@stephanyreii]

@@groovegnome Exactly

[@nb1598]

The fact that KZbin is not full of academic women arguing about the same things says a lot

[@mygreenhousediary5947]

Regardless of how combative men feel the need to be, as a female I can also feel the same inclination to be combative, regardless of whether my biology allows me the strength or power to affect. I respect scientific fact, I also respect good men using their natural attributes to get difficult tasks done. I do not respect men, women, children or the elderly who are combative/violent/dominant for the sake of it and as a female, I refuse to submit, smile or 'be nice' to anyone harming myself, my family or my friends. The opinions of others in disagreement with me do not matter. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[@emilymoody7426]

Yesss to all of this. I'm so tired of the same stuff I see about women. I'm starting to wonder why anyone would take insight from a study anymore. First off, it doesnt speak for all women or men. Being a woman doesnt mean I give any care in the world about offspring. Quite frankly I cant stand children. If they cry in public, I get annoyed and ignore it. 😅 I have zero desire to be a mother and zero initiative to slow my roll and be "agreeable." I'm an asshole hahaha I have always been a go-getter. Things like this just fuels my fire more.

[@Keovey]

@@emilymoody7426 No but youre both missing the point, when someone talks about how men are more protective and men tend to go straight to violence when there in a bad situation, the person saying that is talking about the vast majority of that said sex. So for example its been scientifically proven that men are more protective than women on average and the men 80% of the time are the protectors of a family along with the brothers, And the fact that most parents (women especially)have it biologically in them to protect their babies and children its a natural instinct.

[@emilymoody7426]

@@Keovey I just don't care lol. Sorry. I'm not a mother, don't care to ever be, I dislike kids. So I mean... The whole overkilled mother blah blah bullshit doesn't work for the women like me who don't care for kids... I'm not a nurturing soul, nor am I very submissive. Not to brag, but I thank the good Lord daily Im not. 🤷 So the common "women tend to..." this, that, and the other is kinda narrow if ya think about it.. that's putting us all in this small stereotyped box and literally it makes me hella annoyed to be TOLD how I am or how I would act. I'll be damned lol. But go off. Bc I'm so over reading the same bullshit. Really.

[@emilymoody7426]

@@Keovey and dude seriously the whole biologically engrained shit is something that was made up forever ago...why? Well to reinforce the stereotypes. But what do I know? I'm only studying to be a doctor. I don't know anything. 🤷 It's actually a LEARNED behavior. Some ppl have it, others don't. Unfortunately you won't see many studies on it--maybe a few. Because surprise...most scientists were male and didn't want more women to come into the workforce or believe they're anything else. So again, I don't know squat.

[@Keovey]

@@emilymoody7426 Youre right you don't, go do some research. And If you're studying to be a doctor 1 word of advice.. Don't. Its basic almost every mammal on the planet has some sort of dominance mentality, whether its apes,lions even birds. Especially when fighting over a female.I would not want you as my doctor if you seriously this uneducated... 🤦‍♂️

[@alexiaokeregbe7484]

2:38 He talks like men are not parents. They have children and they have to deal with infants too.

[@KATIASIMONE5]

Great discussion! Would love you to interview Mary Harrington (Feminism Against Progress)! 😎😎

[@gokupikachu4207]

What a messy table, could use a women's touch!

[@carpelibrum5035]

That wasn't the point of the video. They were talking about differences in interests and agreeableness, not orderliness.

[@LiamADye]

If you understand the meaning behind yin and yang, which Dr. Peterson talks a lot about, you'd know that order is masculine and chaos is feminine. The messy table represents chaos, and it requires order to be straightened out so I think you mean that it needs a man's touch. And, regarding your intention with your statement, Dr. Peterson does distinguish the characteristic roles of man and woman quite often, but he never said that cleaning was a natural trait of woman.

[@edvinlarssonscott2844]

A women

[@emilymoody7426]

Lord have mercy. I'm a female and messy af no shame. Too busy for that. Clean your own table 😅😅

[@andytheindividual3862]

@@emilymoody7426 could just be telling that your more focused on the big picture in life, than being detailed oriented. :)

[@KrilleEgnell]

100

[@YoungEarthScienceYES]

One ch deals gender issues

[@benb9881]

Macs and PCs have completely different hardware, yet they are both universal. Hardware cannot limit which programs they can run. Its the universality of computation.

[@BarefootSamuraiX]

That was true ages ago, but today MAC is just standard PC components with high quality.

[@geegee9819]

The notion of a Universal Computer is absurd. Because of its necessarily finite nature, a Universal Computer is an impossibility.

[@benb9881]

Gee Gee A universal computer is limited by hardware only with respect to memory capacity and speed. It is well understood that the laws of physics are computable, so they are really only limited by our knowledge of how to program them.

[@benb9881]

BarefootSamuraiX Perhaps the hardware is more alike now, but they were, and still are, universal

[@hawleyrigsby3123]

Dr. Peterson, this clip made me think of a Sincerely, X podcast episode that discussed how companies that want to increase gender diversity are failing at it because they aren't considering strategies to allow women to be in the C suite and discussing real, implementable and fair policies. If you haven't already, perhaps you might listen to it out of interest: itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/episode-5-equality-executive/id1238801741?i=1000391155358&mt=2

[@datingandmoney]

Always remember that Peterson does psych meds

[@hugo3222]

Just one point: Why do you have to justify your reseach on this topic by saying "it can be used to optimize the workplace environment"? First, science should be about finding the truth, not the largest economic profit. Second, it isn't even correct. Implementing such an optimization in an actual workplace will inevitable result in an overly detailed micromanagement of every activity, including all kinds of paperwork and "evaluation", taking away resources from the actual profitable work, instead of just let the people do their job and let the market ensure that they (i.e. person and job) fit together. Otherwise you will end up with the same mess as every micromangement of economy like communism, affirmative action etc.

[@oghuvwublessing705]

Jesus Christ is God. He is Lord of all.

[@roanwest5677]

@@yester_fest3020 Believe and you shall be saved

[@keyfeatures]

"there is nothing about being female that naturally binds women together into a unified category. There is not even such a state as 'being' female, itself a highly complex category constructed in contested sexual scientific discourses and other social practices" - Professor Emerita Donna Haraway, Ph.D. in biology from Yale and former Fullbright Scholar.

[@lawrencole1964]

That's horse shit. Social inclusion needs are absolutely biologically ingrained in us. And to say there's no such as a state of being female is crazy. It's your default state of being as a women lmao. Typical ridiculous line of over thinking from an ivy league "scholar" that thinks because they're a so called intellectual from an over rated college they can say something completely false and ridiculous and have it taken as fact. What most people would refer to as an educated idiot. They're so used to being in a university setting they lose grip of reality and their ego becomes massively overinflated.

[@MichaelVavor]

Ah! Another feminist twat at Yale nonetheless. I mean ofc she's going to say that! That's what 3rd wave feminism is all out. Women on a basis (EVEN THE ONES THAT WANT TO "BLUR GENDER LINES") come across extremely feminine and distinct from men - naturally!

[@invictuspublishinghouse]

Next up: Biological Differences Between Sub-Saharan Africans, Europeans, and Asians. I shan't hold my breath.

[@cripplingautism5785]

Mel Gibson's Beard still too edgy, but the fact that gender differences can be discussed openly enough now could mean we're moving in that direction. the truth will prevail in the end if left relatively uncensored. that's why there's such a violent campaign to censor it.

[@AudioGardenSlave123]

Mel Gibson's Beard He had a discussion on his main channel about intelligence and it veers into this topic.

[@wylfwylfwylf]

which video did he talk about that?

[@oiitzME1266]

Lol what?

[@LiamADye]

In one of Dr. Peterson's interviews, which sadly I forgot the name of, he said that there is more difference within the groups than between them. In other words, there's more difference between white people among ourselves than there is between white people and blacks, or whites and Asians, or whites and native Americans. So if he did make a video regarding racial differences, it would mostly have to do with physiology and not psychology; and physiology is not a subject which Dr. Peterson often talks about, so please don't hold your breath.

[@clickaccept]

Peterson is so far from understanding women, its like he never read the Bible.

[@LiamADye]

First, what is your understanding of women? Second, what about women in the Bible can we use in our understanding of them?

[@manhluong5013]

absolutely

[@mercuria2563]

clickaccept I think actually being around women is more efficient than reading the bible since it doesn’t say anything particularly major about women. Being around women and looking up to them I believe is the most important thing someone should do in order to understand women. Having both women and men role models can shape a less biased opinion, and it’s a great thing to do. 😁

[@misslady1154]

Mercuria 2 love the positive attitude :))!!

[@DiscipleOfChristDV]

Man, as much as I respect JBP, he's such a traditionalist when it comes to gender relations. He just views men as mere utilities for society and women.

[@JaffarDS]

huh?

[@LoganChristianson]

He isn't talking as if that's his *only* perception of men in society; very often, his points stem from the source of our actions as human beings, a source that is basic in nature (which is why you see them as being "traditionalist"). He fully acknowledges the intricacies of humans and how much men/women can be different, but in a strictly biological, cave-man-esque sense, men and women fill a specific role. It's from these roles that many traits men and women have stem from.

[@danni8191]

Disciple of Christ I guess 3 billion years of evolution are pretty strong tradition.

[@oiitzME1266]

Really ? Thats how You take it .cmon stop being so narrow

[@LiamADye]

As a human being and an animal, we are bound by a limited set of options to choose from when we act and react to situations, but that in no way indicates that we can't choose the best option for ourselves. We have the capacity to make decisions that affect our lives by our capacity to reason and move past our limitations. As much as a traditional approach to gender relations can seem chaotic and dystopian, we are not totally bound by them. Always remember you are only bound by the acceptance of your nature; what Dr. Peterson on several occasions has encouraged is for us to recognize our faults and work on ways to improve ourselves. We don't have to be mere utilities, we can be something more. We just must accept that some behavior is hard-wired in our nature. But again, don't let that make you think that you don't have options.