"Birdwatcher" with Telescope Sees Woman Kidnapped from Beach | Heather Teague Case Analysis

[@Wolferal]

I'm an avid birdwatcher and I'm tired of people assuming that I'm using my telescope to view scantly-clad women on the beach or in the park. I usually use high-powered binoculars for that.

[@jessepitt]

😂

[@carolv8450]

😮

[@sashachitownvillegas6850]

😂😂😂😂

[@red_five3325]

Besides, if the woman is at the beach or the park (and NOT in a place where she might expect privacy, like inside a building), then anyone can see it and she shouldn't expect any privacy.

[@pwallace5359]

@@red_five3325 Back in the 90’s a friend of mine had to stop going to the pool because a couple weird guys wouldn’t stop taking photos of her while she was sunbathing. They watched her every time she was there like weirdos. The owner of the pool said he couldn’t ask them to stop because it was their right. I can only imagine what they did with the photos. It was actually kind of scary.

[@kevinsullivan2126]

Hi Dr. Grande...My name is Kevin Sullivan and I'm a true crime writer. I wrote about the Heather Teague/Marvin Dill case years ago and interviewed Tim W. and the commander of KY State Police Post 16, as well as the detective (in a nearby small town) who worked the case of the woman sexually assaulted in a Kentucky cemetery that he absolutely believed was committed by Marvin Ray Dill. Plus, a number of calls to the police pointing the finger at Dill came from those who knew him. Oh, and the Evansville detective who arrested Dill after he was caught trying to pick up young girls, told me that he believed if he hadn't arrested Dill that day he would have killed someone. Anyway, you'll find that story in a book titled: Unnatural Causes, which I co-authored with Gregg Olsen a few years ago. Take care, Kevin

[@waynejohnson1786]

Whatever the “birdwatcher” was doing with his telescope, I’m just glad he came forward and cooperated with law enforcement.

[@birdworldist]

The guy really loves seagulls 😹

[@peterliebezeit5636]

This terminology would only hold true if the incident took place in England…

[@legzfalloffgirl5148]

And he called the police right away, instead of waiting for police to approach him. It's a low bar, but so many people "don't want to get involved " and are willing to let others get hurt

[@shitmandood]

He had to put the KY Jelly, Vaseline, and Kleenex back in the designated locations.

[@cameronwalker6825]

Same. I don’t understand why he’s hating on the birdwatcher so much. At least the guy tried to help!

[@nvellageldart]

I'm at birdwatcher and this is completely plausible. Shorebirds require a telescope, or scope, and this is not out of the ordinary

[@rubyruby6358]

I agree. I grew up at the beach and although I was not a bird watcher I had many friends that had telescopes to watch the bird life.

[@mumatz123]

I´m calling the police 😂

[@Nursekimberlylane]

In this part of Kentucky, bird-watching would be great too because of so many rural areas and the land itself is just beautiful.

[@andrewbochicchio2232]

I live where the giant boats come it's a Estuary or something and they are unload product and whatnot. Lots of seabirds I got a telescope right here next to my window I have never seen a person with this telescope because that is just weird

[@panhead55]

Also requires bikini women on the beach…

[@kathycochran544]

Women and children are never safe ANYWHERE !!! Thank you Dr. Grande , I hope you have a peaceful day.🙂

[@featheredskeptic1301]

At least the "birdwatcher" decided to call the police. It makes me wonder how many "birdwatchers" would do something like this when it's much easier to simply pretend you didn't see this, and save yourself all the embarrassment from the "birdwatching" part?

[@jonchowe]

Makes me think of Rear Window!

[@CanadaAstro]

Birdwatching is a legitimate hobby and nothing to be embarrassed about.

[@cm9439]

Why should any birdwatcher be embarrassed? It's a fascinating hobby. I guess someone so judgmental can't understand that.

[@featheredskeptic1301]

@@CanadaAstro Yes, but we all know exactly what kind of a "bird" he was watching. One without feathers.

[@cnst2657]

Yup gotta give the deviant some props here.

[@snappingturtlehiddentiger6571]

Hearing about her clinging to a towel to try and cover her chest and body made me feel so freaking sad. I am so sad for what she endured. So unfair.

[@sugarspice7768]

Breaks my heart. 😢💔

[@Paa375]

Wouldn’t covering up be like the last thing you would grab as a man is dragging you by your hair might as well flash it it’s not like he will sitting and staring at her

[@SirenaSpades]

Around the same time Heather was sunbathing, I was doing the same. We all used to do that. I used to go onto a private beach where no one was around also. I never would have imagined a man running out of the woods back then.

[@pjnix5618]

I’m the same age as Heather would be now … I’ve always been sort of a loner … I used to run on the beach ( Galveston, Tx) alone, go on hikes ( near Austin ) alone and I still do these things, actually ! I’m pretty aware of my surroundings- but there’s not much you can do if someone really wants to get you. I feel terrible for Heather. She needed someone.

[@panhead55]

Did you see any birds?

[@brianbagnall3029]

I sometimes bike through a patch of woods near my home and I see women walking alone through there. That strikes me as a bad move, leaving themselves way too vulnerable. Yes, it's nice to walk through nature alone and admire it, but it seems like spinning the roulette wheel before you run into a psychopath.

[@jeanettemarkley7299]

My husband is a bird watcher. He puts out bird feeders bird houses and roosting boxes. We have a bird bath and books about the birds in our area. We have binoculars for bird watching.

[@rosecreeper4353]

Yes. Birdwatching is a real hobby.

[@sludge8506]

I am kind of surprised the doctor didn’t investigate this. I arrived at no conclusion about that man’s behavior.

[@jeanettemarkley7299]

@@sludge8506 Why are you telling me this?

[@dianedeck]

I live about thirty minutes south of Heather Teague. I remember her mother never gave up hope and relentlessly kept looking. We saw signs and billboards for missing Heather Teague for years. So sad.

[@EmiFromMars]

04erj

[@sugarspice7768]

I would do the same for my child. 😢

[@kenhill3230]

In defense of the bird watcher, he tried to help. My question is where is the girl? The 90's were not the stone age by any means,

[@lynnraynor2043]

Growing up in eastern NC, I’ve layed out at the beach by myself countless times. I’m 55 now, but never would have imagined getting kidnapped there. Scary and sad story.

[@farmcat3198]

I wonder how many men with telescopes or binoculars watched you while you did that?

[@tamarrapetrie9345]

Dr Grande this was your best humor yet, “Someone might be looking at those birds and accidentally see Heather” Thank you for giving me a reason to smile everyday!

[@veganandlovingit]

Wow thank goodness for the annoyed farmer and the subsequent video evidence

[@HeyNowMal]

Thanks for covering this case. I’m from the town this happened in. Her family deserves answers. Makes me so sad.

[@rullmourn1142]

It was Marvin, and i also become angry when these criminals, murderers kill themselves. I want them exposed in trial in front of everyone they know, then shut away in prison for life.

[@pamelajackson2383]

lol..."at least she had two good ideas"...you have some of the best remarks lol thanks for your interesting channel. i never heard of this case.

[@messrsandersonco5985]

You mean you "HAVE never heard" of it. Don't they teach tenses in schools, anymore?

[@SilverSparkles22]

@@messrsandersonco5985 Did yours teach anything about "manners?"

[@waynejohnson1786]

I feel personally attacked but it’s hilarious 😂

[@RealmCenter40]

@@SilverSparkles22 Woah woah woah, I know plenty of internet grammar policemen that easily make over 6 figures. It is a taxing job that has no allowance for manners.

[@Faristol7]

@@messrsandersonco5985 Agree with you entirely. As an English teacher, l'm appalled at the low standard of grammar & spelling on so many of these threads.

[@jenanne31]

Stories of horrific murders like this give us a skewed view of the dangers of leaving our homes. However, if you're the person who is murdered, statistics don't much matter. Thanks for what you do, Dr. Grande.

[@ericlarousse1149]

Agreed. We are living in very safe times, especially for women.

[@lenkacfk7155]

I watch a lot of true crime documentaries - when you do that, you start believing that about 90% of American husbands murder their wives, and that you put that ring on your finger at your own peril! 😄

[@kimmij6873]

Are y’all joking?

[@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis]

@Driftwannabe 10 wonder how many men get killed by other men ;)

[@filasophies4423]

I love people who want to make more of a point about statistics vs paranoia . “You realize you’re more likely to die in a car crash then be in a life threatening encounter!” My response to that is: there was a study back in the 70s about people surviving deadly encounters either through luck or self defense and 90% all thought the exact same thing at the time “This cant be happening”.

[@pou618]

What are the chances of a guy with a telescope AND a guy with a video camera observed evidence of a crime in a remote area?

[@Paa375]

In the 90’s too no decent surveillance cameras as we can see the quality

[@wmpx34]

Non-zero, apparently

[@jennikaesquivel-mendez1002]

“Where the imaginary birds were” 🤣😭 Dr. Grande’s sense of humor is life!

[@Fanny-Fanny]

In the UK, he would have been considered 'Bird watching', regardless if it was the feathered type or the human female type that he was more interested in...

[@Stu-SB]

For our N. American friends: Bird here in the UK is a common pet name for a Girl/Woman 😄.. just for the avoidance of doubt.

[@bitteralmonds666]

He was “bird” watching. In this instance, it’s the British slang word 🐔

[@bettinabarry8423]

A couple of tragic lives colliding and creating more tragedy! Thank you, Dr. Grande for another level-headed analysis 👏

[@Kaiji700M]

"So at least she had two good ideas" LOL SAVAGE

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

Thanks! This was such a senseless death. I agree when you said that people don’t like when perpetrators choose their own punishment. On another note, Happy first of February everyone! I thought January would never end.😞 Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Dr. Grande.❤️

[@michaelmartin9148]

I believe that Heather was probably the only "bird" that Tim was watching!! Great job Tim! Keep you eye on the birds! Attentive eyes are always a safeguard.

[@mikhailmorgan]

"Hello Tim this is the police, we'd like to take a statement about what you saw on the beach while birdwatching" "I'll be out in 5-7 minutes"

[@cazpk6840]

He was birdwatching - nothing unusual. So do I. This lady really had a sad life though. What a horrible run of bad luck 💔

[@dews3340]

Thanks for sharing. Stay safe ladies and keep your head on a swivel....... from the Ozarks, carrying a canister of Bear Creek at all times

[@dixgun]

Thanks, Dr. Grande. I was unfamiliar with the Heather Teague disappearance. What a sad, scary and ridiculous story. I’m reminded of the Alfred Hitchcock movie ‘Rear Window.’ A man with a beard emerging from the woods and dragging a woman back into the woods seems like the cartoon caveman cliche. Maybe Marvin Dill or whoever the perpetrator was read the comic ‘B.C.’ by Johnny Hart when he was a kid and became obsessed with certain images.

[@fragrancememoir2350]

I sometimes sunbathe at local rivers ... Out on the rocks. Even though I always have a phone and pepper spray, I never actually close my eyes and relax because scenarios like this go through my mind continuously. Even though I'm usually on rocks that are actually out in the water, I envision people with all kinds of weapons or even doing something like throwing a large rock at my head from a distance & then attacking etc .. which is totally possible. .. Even if people are in a group, they (or at least one person) should be alert at all times. ... This is such a a sad and scary story. 😥💔🙏

[@nhmooytis7058]

Forget pepper spray and buy a .45.

[@truckerprincess4383]

I completely understand. I have anxiety. I am a over the road trucker I keep a seat belt cutter knife and a tire thumper or heavy mallet with me in the truck

[@WileyCylas]

Sadly u sort of have to… unless u have somebody with u… don’t want to dismiss it as anxiety bcs it’s based

[@waynejohnson1786]

Better safe than sorry. Also get a gun.

[@Koozomec]

I do think that's why we have selected the people who belongs in groups : To survive. It's harder/time cost inefficient to be on our own for everything. It is also maybe why most people are disgusted by treason.

[@StormyAfterDark]

Dr. Grande, thank you so much for your videos. It is heartbreaking to see some of the horrible things that happen to people and children. However your humor gives a welcome break to something so tragic, and its very needed.

[@carlyrennae3963]

Every "bird" reference had me laughing so fully....Dr Grande you own comedy hard 🤣 truly we are blessed for it 🤩 A+++++++++++ Ep

[@marlinfisher2529]

Ahh Dr. Grande - a kidnapers starters kit. Brilliant and informative.

[@Dhruv_Dogra]

I would rather have a birdwatcher watch me and call the police than not. Thank god he was there.

[@triplejandcrafts2753]

I love you sarcasm. Thanks Dr Grande. I appreciate your videos and you take on things.

[@Ms.AggieMac]

Thanks for another analysis Dr. Grande. I would truly love to hear your take on the horrific crimes committed by the Papin sisters in France in 1933. Gruesome story with some seriously disturbing psychology behind it all.

[@gailkelly4651]

Hello Dr Grande..... nice to see you. Thank you for your hard work that you put in to these cases. I enjoy hearing about each case and your analysis of the cases . Thank you ❤️

[@WileyCylas]

I serially should be sleeping but I can always spare a few minutes to be spooked & educated! Thx doc!

[@BariumCobaltNitrog3n]

Probably better to sleep serially than parallel. Get those 40 winks all in a row.

[@lukespack]

A lone woman on a fairly deserted beach will always be at risk. Sad but true.

[@sophiaisabelle027]

We appreciate your analysis. It's very precise yet contains a lot of factual information we all need to know more about.

[@josephramone5805]

"Imaginary birds" ... "kidnapper's starter kit" 🤣🤣💯

[@tumbleweed6492]

Sad story of a lost young woman who wasn’t given the chance to straighten herself out 😢

[@ember1794]

"So at least she had two good ideas" 😆❤

[@zenawarrior7442]

Another interesting case, great points. Thanks Dr G😊💙💚

[@daveatkins3568]

Dr G’s motto. NO DAYS OFF. What up DOC!😎✌🏼

[@daveyoder9231]

As usual, your analysis is at least as interesting as invisible Kentucky birds viewed from Indiana. Shame the evidence hasn't been run through modern DNA testing.

[@elizabethwarman9028]

Good evening Dr Grande, I remember this case back in 1995. Love your dry sense of humor. As always I learn something new from your videos.

[@Nursekimberlylane]

OMG I am from this area of Kentucky and I have never seen anyone do a show about it…thank you!! I didn’t know Heather, but I think about her all the time….so sad. 😢

[@americanbnb]

Love your videos Dr. Grande, I watch them all, usually the day they come out. Major missed opportunity in this one: "It's not known whether he was watching birds in the North American sense, or in the British slang sense."

[@skones5520]

This one hits home. I live in the next county beside Henderson. This case has been talked about for years around here. Thank you for covering it. I love your videos!

[@jdd3786]

Wow, how unlikely it is for a kidnapping to be caught via telescope and the kidnapper's truck be video recorded on a dirt road. It's as if the Universe had enough of Marvin, and sent out it's vibes...

[@nomadscavenger]

That, and the fact someone saw her fighting w/a guy in a car that looks just like the one reported by a second witness too late and discarded by police. The tarp on the ground by her car, the open trunk and the police cannot put 2+2 together; meaning someone else picked up the perp w/her and took off. One had the disguise on- wig and bug hat w/netting? (Not found at suicide residence.) At least 2 people doing things that could have helped her, no one could; and, sadly, more than likely two got away with murder, and one is on the loose.

[@DaniL-hr9xo]

"EXCLUSIVELY to watch birds" 🤣🤣🤣

[@JM06261996]

This case has always freaked me out. Dr Grande! Can you do a video on Susan Monica? It’s a fascinating story.

[@jomoland]

@0:54 “So at least she had 2 good ideas” 🤣

[@FlowPYT]

This has to be my number 1 crime channel the way you put the videos together are the best please keep up the consistent uploads!

[@barbaralouise_]

I heard about this case many years ago but never knew it came to a conclusion. Thanks for doing this video. I have one for you, if you haven't already done this, will you do a case study on the short life and death of Andy Gibb? He was probably before your time but it would be an interesting one. He was the youngest of the Gibb brothers and had many problems, but I am not sure what all of his ailments were. There were questions. Thanks Dr. Grande!

[@GenXfrom75]

I'm just glad the watcher did the right thing.

[@Calicrimefiles]

The birdwatcher was looking for owls or, as he referred to them, hooters.

[@SirenaSpades]

I was expecting "twin" owls

[@TJB1510]

YOU SOOO FUNNY.

[@Patriot_Lady1776]

It's so frustrating that you can't go anywhere alone these days. I'm researching which is the best hand gun to own. That's my response!

[@MakerInMotion]

Something that's comfortable to wear and concealable would be my advice. I went with a .357 when I first got licensed for the stopping power. But it was heavy and bulky and you need a long jacket or sweatshirt to conceal it. I learned my lesson and got a Walther PPK instead. A .380 doesn't have as much stopping power but its slim and light. The gun you don't wear does you no good.

[@jilltheprivateinvestigator3328]

And, he wonders why we know a "creeper" when we encounter one. We have to STAY on guard, and we develop a very keen sense of danger, and "creepers." Myy gut hasn't been wrong yet.

[@nhmooytis7058]

I’ve been traveling alone for 5+ years but wouldn’t feel comfortable all alone on a beach!

[@nhmooytis7058]

@@MakerInMotion I used to have a Colt .38, thank God never needed it.

[@RealmCenter40]

Sig P365XL.

[@TaffyGreeZay]

You are my primary springboard for topics to study. 😃

[@am74343]

Heather Teague's family has issued lawsuits alleging that there are two (or perhaps three) disparate initial 911 calls made regarding Heather's abduction. They said that over the years, the police had played two completely different supposed 911 calls made, and had purported them as "the only singular 911 call made", yet the family affirms that in one of the calls the dispatcher was a woman, and in the other call, the dispatcher was a man. The family is alleging that one of the 911 calls was faked by some rogue elements within the police department.

[@user-cs1un6sp1wRennata]

As always brilliant analysis! Thank you, Dr. Grande! 🔭

[@mikenyny755]

Heather disappeared in August 1995. Christopher John Bilow was sentenced to 11 - 18 years in prison in 1991, so HTF was he "in the area" (out of prison) in August 1995?

[@sponk2112]

Sure, the birdwatching explanation is...a little suspicious to say the least. But it's far from impossible. Birdwatchers do exist, after all, and it could easily be true that he was doing just that, and got understandably sidetracked. She was an attractive young lady. In any event, he did the right thing, so I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

[@tlindsay1007]

He didn't commit a crime, and he reported what he saw. I don't know why people are bashing him for looking at a pretty girl on the beach.

[@bjh7924]

Couldn't wait to watch as soon as I saw the words "Birdwatcher" with telescope 😄 Didn't disappoint 🙌

[@hummiebubs6967]

As an avid birdwatcher, I can say that it is very likely that the man with the "telescope" was indeed birdwatching. Birdwatchers often use long range lenses such as scopes to view species such as shorebirds, which are common beach-dwellers.

[@glendasully]

Thank you for another excellent True Crime story

[@truckerprincess4383]

You are so intense with your voice . Always interesting topics . Love your voice . Love watching your videos ! Keep up the awesome work

[@tamitatangoto5134]

I have to say Doctor grande that you are interesting. I didn't watch many of your videos at first but now you are putting your dry sense of humor in here, it makes me laugh out loud 😄 on a number of occasions throughout your broadcast. So I am liking that you are putting a spin of humor and that makes it much more appetizing to listen to all the way through. Thank you 🙂

[@hugodogobob]

Bird is slang for a woman. So I guess he was birdwatching

[@pierre6625]

Hello Dr. Grande, My apologies for sending my comment late after you made this video, I get your videos at 11:00 p.m. where I live. I do agree with your final comments on this crime. As always my thoughts are for the victim and especially for the grieving family members not knowing if she is alive or in fact dead. Thank you for your dedicated hard work. Best Regards.

[@cramone92]

Good morning, Dr. Grande. Firstly, thank you for another great video. I don't want to come off as apathetic to this case/video, but this morning, another is plaguing my mind. I am sure you plan to cover Lindsay Clancy, but I wanted to throw this current case out there so you can touch base on that and PPP, etc. This case has really terrified a lot of us, esp. us parents. As always, your time and opinions are appreciated. Be well! *Addendum because I feel a bit rude - I'd have asked you on another platform, but I use very limited social media for my own anxiety issues.

[@emmagrove6491]

The offhanded jibes and jokes are thrown in so casually and with such deadpan that I sometimes miss them. Caught this one though: "She was interested in being a physician, a nurse, or a politician, so at least she had two good ideas."

[@m.f.richardson1602]

Always interesting Kentucky is a beautiful state. Thank you Peace 💕🇺🇲

[@pittroadsixzeroseven]

Thank you Dr. Grande’ for your thoughts

[@steveeuphrates-river7342]

Austin Powers: "Bird watching"... yeah baby!

[@Krystal08888]

Hi Dr. Grande! I love your videos! I wanted to see if you could analyze the case of Jessica Johnson, please. Thanks!!

[@lynnu25]

I live in Kentucky home of the imaginary birds!😂♥️

[@ember1794]

😅

[@jennikaesquivel-mendez1002]

Dr Grande, could you please analyze John Poulos case? I’d love to hear your input

[@philipinchina]

Excellent as always.

[@jilltheprivateinvestigator3328]

Did they question the birds?

[@EyesonEnforcement911]

My go-to guy to watch right before bed.

[@MakerInMotion]

I love it when the bad guys impose capital punishment on themselves.

[@axs-xq7cq]

Pretty soon a bunch of 'good guys' are probably going to be coming after the psychiatrists too for what they've done to people, and it's probably just gonna be a fucken slaughterhouse.

[@icturner23]

Don’t be stupid. If he’d been taken alive he almost certainly would have at least told them where her body was in the end.

[@nomadscavenger]

@@icturner23 Not if he's done it before, and regalia in his truck points to others. Didn't want her to know what a fiend he was; also maybe had a partner in the murder. They didn't find that wig/bug hat, and serial murders rarely tell where the body is because their lawyers tell them to say nothing. Unless it's execution x...and there's no chance of a reprieve. Even then, w/wife children not likely to admit to anything.

[@miadodson1938]

I have wondered what to do with the mosquito net I bought which is too small for the bed...

[@micheleparker3780]

"Marijuana, two guns, two knives, rubber gloves, duct tape..." your classic kidnapping kit...

[@AliValentine143]

Whoever gave Tim BirdLover the alibi was quite clever as bird is English slang. I'm not sure anyone but Mrs. Tim BirdLover cares what he was doing with his telescope as we were all topless sunbathers in the 90's thanks to Fergie and the monarch-generated People scandal to make Prince Andrew look innocent in the divorce 😂 Grandma kept me fully informed.

[@JessCsun]

Dr. Grande Please cover the elizabeth barraza case im dying to hear your analysis

[@a.morrigan5870]

Yes!

[@alexp2915]

“Tim, the man who had the telescope exclusively for watching birds…” 🤣🤣

[@janpierzchala2004]

Having watched accounts of so many interesting crimes I would not relax at that riverside beach without a thought of someone with a revolver occurring at some stage

[@chasityyoung815]

He was a peeping Tim...

[@ember1794]

😅

[@corlahasper234]

World not safe enough to go sunbathing alone on a remote beach

[@user-ej2xz3lx2e]

"So at least she had two good ideas" 🤣🤣🤣💀💀 I come here 90% for the dry jokes, 10% for the analysis.

[@msfishandchips7204]

Did they get the telescope guy to identify and confirm the kidnapper in person?

[@raymondvunk7123]

I think Dr Grande said that telescope guy positively ID'd him.

[@cindyeastbourn7642]

You are a great story teller. Love your shirt today!

[@cindyeastbourn7642]

What about having a dog follow the scent of her?

[@flippinjigzncatchinpigz8902]

when more details come to light please analyze the duxberry massachusetts mother!

[@drjohnson98]

Interesting and well-reasoned as always. Also convincing as to Marvin having been the lone killer. I do wonder what become of the other suspect and how many other victims he had after leaving Kentucky.

[@nomadscavenger]

The fact that that tarp was unused by the driver's side door, and the trunk open leaves me w/the feeling it's possible they could have been acting together. One to get the OTHER vehicle, one to hide her disabled or drugged (her trunk) until that second vehicle shows up. The use of chloral hydrate works so fast on the beach, or where he got her out of sight,,(w/gun as the birdwatcher thought he had). If she came to and started fighting w/driver in her vehicle wouldn't be surprising. Too bad the police discarded that witness. These creeps look alot alike from pics and from a distance even more so, but if one wore a bug/netting hat and wig(how did LE know this, were those two items found?), it would be a great cover for at least one of them to escape detection. The guy looking at arrest killing himself means to me there's more murders in his repertoire of offenses; he could have been the one getting rid of the body. And avoids being on the hot seat for?s about other cases of missing girls...and an accomplice, w/the wig, and face coverings. They have done it before is my guess; came prepared. Horrible and it it has to be a warning about being alone on any beach. (Having no idea of the location, it's strange to me why the wig/face coverings if no one around? Was it obvious a birdwatcher could be looking at her, the beach? Or could it have been the birdwatcher, called police after the deed?)

[@toyssurprise8501]

Dr Grande, please talk about Lindsay Clancy and PPD psychosis

[@norbis3939]

I have binoculars that I frequently take with me to parks and when I go camping. I don't take them either for bird watching or to spy on women, the truth is more embarrassing. I take them because it makes me feel like a cool adventure person exploring the wilderness. Plus they're fun because they make far away stuff bigger. 😂