Bisbee tries to refute evolution by misrepresenting the process

[@nuclearsimian3281]

Dave: "We can't see macro-evolution at work." Also Dave: "We can see macro-evolution in the differences we've bred into dogs."

[@THATGuy5654]

I was brushing my teeth listening to this when the guy got to the part where he asks how a half bat/ half shrew could survive. I suddenly got a vivid mental image of a sugar glider swooping in out of nowhere and grabbing onto his face, and nearly got toothpaste and spit all over my mirror.

[@kinglyzard]

My immediate thought was, Flying Squirrel: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@budd2nd]

That’s a brilliant image of you laughing all over the mirror. Thanks for that 😂

[@jesuslord6822]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKbXhHeBaN-kj6M

[@budd2nd]

@@jesuslord6822 More CLAIMS, I’m not interested in badly written and then copy/pasted claims. Unless you can support those biblical ramblings with scientific and independently verified evidence, then they will stay as just tall tales. As a wise man once said - If you can’t show it then you don’t know it. FYI “show it” requires evidence not blind assertions.

[@THATGuy5654]

@@jesuslord6822 ... how the crap do you capitalize the 1st letter in each word on messages that long, yet have almost no punctuation?

[@86BullnoseOG]

Dave: “Darwinian evolution doesn’t work.” Also Dave: “Natural selection is valid, though.”

[@Krikenemp18]

Also: "Variation among populations across long periods of time is a thing, but macro evolution isn't." And let's not forget: "New traits emerging from existing traits is magic, but my imaginary friend poofing literally everything into existence from literally nothing is science." At this point, the science is just too strong for Creationists to deny the results, so all they can do is rename the mechanisms under their own terminology and pretend that debunks evolution.

[@stylis666]

@@Krikenemp18 Also: God is loving. Also: We are all sinners and deserve to go to hell because we can never live up to god's perfect standard. But he loves us and by his grace I will go to heaven even though I don't deserve it.

[@badideass]

@@stylis666 why are we all sinners?

[@brunozeigerts6379]

@@stylis666 Really? What horrible sins did you commit? Are you a murderer? A thief? So many of the things considered 'sins' harm no-one.

[@joshuaprescod-campbell6961]

@@badideass because we are all human haha Original Sin never made any sense to me. How does one offend the ultimate authority of the universe? We are disposable enough to be genocided, lied to, led astray and ultimately tortured in a lake of fire for eternity, but so monumentally important that eating a fruit is enough to condemn us. Never forget: god's worst punishments are never for those who "sin," they are for those who attempt to sin like he does.

[@ThePereubu1710]

The whole "where did echo-location come from" argument is not only wrong, it's highly offensive to the many partially-sighted humans who learn to use spatial perception to navigate through their world. This is not due to some kind of "Daredevil" like "superpower", it is down to developing and monitoring senses we all have when we enter a space and assess whether it is a large, empty space or a small, cramped space. It is learning to pick up on the reflection of small sounds; the tapping of your stick, the sound of your footsteps etc, to develop a sense of your surroundings. (I am aware that I am over-simplifying a lengthy and complex learning process!). Basically, if there were a need, over time, humans could develop echo-location too!

[@alan62036]

These guys seem to live in a bubble completely unaware of how other people live. I remember another youtube channel looking at a video of a guy claiming that souls exist because we can create images in our mind, not knowing that there are people who quite literally cannot do that.

[@Amoth_oth_ras_shash]

indeed....might take a long as hel time ,or demand being very lucky with some mutations... but even humans could develop hole new traits like that...if there was the pressure for it... its soothing to hear Ra still is around smacking at this dishonest stupidity. hmm..this reminds me about that female they found that actually could see parts of ..if it was infrared or ultra violet spectrum or something like that... members of species not only can 'get more' out of ther senses when having spare brain matter to process things more one might say but add some fluke mutations ontop of that...and you never know what old senses might be 're-tooled' for

[@4dragons632]

Strange how all these creationists never spend any time showing successful theories, creating gorgeous diagrams, and running experiments.

[@Rob-ys6ot]

Good point!

[@phpeon9282]

Because their's is not science. It's a lie which can only be defended by lies, thus their only accepted form of copping with science which washes the floor with their arcane religious mythology is via propaganda, conspiracy theories and deliberate lies. The only thing Abrahamic creationism gave us is anti-vaxxers, flat earthers geocentrists and so on.

[@ufutz]

Not to mention collecting the prizes, accolades, grants, cash, fame and almost instant conversion of millions, or billions, of people to their religion. All of which would occur if they could either prove their side, or disprove current scientific explanations...

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@phpeon9282 That and to evangelize to a more scientifically literate laity. As Paul said in 1 Corinthians 9:20-23: ‘To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; 21to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law. 22To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some. 23I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.’

[@tfive24]

Very simple, they would have to give definitions and not some nubelus words to move the goalposts.

[@TheScrootch]

I once saw a frog but it DIDN'T evolve on the spot, therefore evolution is 100% disproven

[@Thornspyre81]

Dang, just when I was convinced of evolution's veracity...

[@terbospeed]

Totally man, I found this book in the sand, looks pretty legit

[@dragowolfraven3806]

I can't believe that people are still fighting against a proven fact.

[@mrk4022]

they are trying to fool the children...

[@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol9264]

Yeah it’s hilarious that there’s still people that think evolution is in anyway true

[@Matthew-LAMF]

It's pretty scary how delusional a person can be. It's really sad honestly.

[@ivanivonovich9863]

@@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol9264 Evolution doesn't care if you believe it or not... Facts support evolution, but not "creationism" or your religious beliefs.

[@themonsterbaby]

@@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol9264 Evolution is a fact dipshit. And the theory of evolution just explains how it works based on ALLLLLLLLLLL the evidence. And common sense. And predictive capabilities. How in the hell can any person with a brain ignore actual science and a perfectly rational NATURAL explanation for how nature works and instead say "nah, I think magic did it...... because this anonymously written, anonymously put together and translated iron age mythology says so". We literally have the genome of other human species that lived before. We literally have the fossils of OUR ancestors. We have OBSERVED evolution occur. You exist BECAUSE of evolution. It doesn't really matter if you like the idea of a magical genie instead. NO evidence exists showing that your genie is real.

[@willowthewendigo]

Always a pleasure to hear you dunk on liars who misrepresent the world to children.

[@stevenleonard7219]

The chances of something that has happened are not infinitesimal but rather if something happened the chances are 100% because the something happened.

[@kevinshort3943]

@@stevenleonard7219 That's not how probabilities work. The chances of rolling a 6 on a standard dice, is 1 in 6. Even if you have just rolled a 6, the chance of doing that was 1 in 6, and the chances of it happening next roll is also 1 in 6. All the other numbers also have a 1 in 6 chance, but it will always roll a number between 1 and 6 - EG: you won't ever get a zero or 11. So if something has a chance of happening, it will eventually happen - no matter what the odds. If something is impossible, it will never happen.

[@blastortoise]

@@stevenleonard7219 Basically the other guy said "get fucked nerd" I agree.

[@stevenleonard7219]

@@kevinshort3943 You can blather on about probabilities all you want. My point was that if something did happen the chances are 100%

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

We need laws based on clear distinctions between free speech in actual ignorance, and con men selling untruth for profit, add child abuse when applicable!

[@grapeshot]

I love how AronRa takes these young earth creationists apart piece by piece. He was very instrumental in me going full-blown atheist.

[@thedragonofechigo7878]

I couldn't agree more.

[@YoursTrulyThe1Pony]

Me too

[@NM_rocker]

Same here, I went looking for confirmation of my beliefs & found Aron’s channel instead. The information he presented combined with looking up what he was saying dismantled my faith

[@goldh2o543]

@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 hell yes

[@marcelkuizenga]

You describe me!

[@TuneinTurnonGrowup]

I'm really enjoying this entire series. I wish I could afford to go back to school for some kind of paleontology studies or something related in that field.

[@danielessex2162]

I wish creationists can afford to go to a real school....

[@1Dropboys]

It's never too late! And they can afford it, tax free, remember ;p they just choose not to

[@danielessex2162]

@@1Dropboys oh yeah good point...

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

Many universities have their lectures online one youtube

[@adrianortiz8751]

Aron, you have my deepest admiration for making a complex subject so entertaining to watch. Keep them coming!

[@adrianortiz8751]

@@thelord3561 nobody give a fuck what the Bible reads, those that do read it discover how wrong in every sense of the word it is

[@jesuslord6822]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKbXhHeBaN-kj6M

[@adrianortiz8751]

@@jesuslord6822 still don't give a shit bc there is a complete lack of evidence

[@adrianortiz8751]

@@jesuslord6822 when will you UNDERSTAND I DO NOT GIVE AN UNHOLY DAMN about make believing.

[@69eddieD]

@@jesuslord6822 Liar for Jesus

[@ronaldolson6553]

Hey Aronra, I just want to thank you for providing me such enlightening entertainment. Watching you pawn some fools while educating those who would otherwise be misled by them... Never gets old.

[@kinglyzard]

Try his 50 part series on Phylogeny, the tree of life. You'll gain brain cells, but you won't lose them again by listening to someone like Bisby.

[@justaway6901]

35:52 This is freakin hilarious. He's basically saying "What I'm telling you are lies so that I can persuade you in believing in my bullsht".

[@curiousottman]

I find evolution fascinating. I’m so ignorant to all of the complexities involved but at least I know enough to say I’m ignorant.

[@christiangreff5764]

Let's be honest, that thing is a few billion years of biochemistry playing self-organizing 3D puzzles, even the experts are barely scratching the surface of what can be known about it (at least if we are interested in the very fine details. The broad strokes are at least reasonably known, I reckon).

[@jesuslord6822]

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[@ivanivonovich9863]

You're more than a few steps ahead of those who deny evolution. And you're on the way to a better understanding of many other aspects of reality.

[@josephmann6675]

Love you got Jackson Wheat in to pinch hit on this video. He’s become a treasure trove for good clear videos about evolutionary topics these past years. He’s a gem of a teacher and a brilliant science communicator.

[@owenblount7334]

Sadly he didn’t get the classification of dogs up to date they’re now considered a subspecies of gray wolves so they’re canis lupus familiaris instead of canis domesticus

[@69eddieD]

@Joe Andersen Liar for Jesus

[@IRidez]

Enjoy your work AronRa. My father is a blissfully ignorant Christian and one day when I get the balls to shatter his whole reality I plan on doing it with your vids. PS post more hot wings vids LOL

[@matiaspereyra9375]

I can help you with that

[@aleksszukovskis2074]

I did just that. "My house, my rules" "please, do not insult religion"

[@marcelkuizenga]

Don't try to shatter his reality. He has to be open for questioning, otherwise you'll only damage the relation with the only father you have.

[@IRidez]

@@marcelkuizenga you’re right 100%

[@69eddieD]

@@bleirdo_dude Holy spamoli

[@chesterwilberforce9832]

Great video. As humans who live just a few decades, we have no respect for the time scales needed to develop something like a bat. We are bewildered by something so different from us and think that we must have sprung full blown from the hand of a supernatural being. If bats didn't evolve from smaller flightless mammals, where did they come from? This thinking reflects someone who absolutely refutes the ability of life to find a way and needs to explain everything with magical thinking.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

I don't remember who said it but he described human brains as, ‘medium-sized creatures living in a medium-sized world moving at medium speeds and existing for a medium amount of time’. To get a human to understand something as big as a solar system or as small as a bacteria takes some bit of imagination because our brains evolved to survive in that medium world filled with things moving at medium speeds.

[@kevinshort3943]

Dawkins described it as living in "Middle Earth".

[@kinglyzard]

@@Lobsterwithinternet Another big impediment of the human brain is that it evolved in a world fraught with danger. Pascal's wager was and is a given, as in what if that moving grass is a sabre toothed cat? Thus we evolved as reactionary beings by nature, and it's going to take more time to "outgrow" these traits.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@kinglyzard That's linked to Pareidolia. It's why you see faces everywhere. It's more advantageous to have a false positive than a false negative.

[@kinglyzard]

@@Lobsterwithinternet I always thought paradolia was linked more to facial recognition among Simiiaformes. Monkeys and especially Apes have extremely expressive faces, whereas other Mammals go more by olfactory sense and Jacobson's organ. That's why we see faces in burned toast and in random punctuation :-)>

[@timberry4709]

Dave MUST know what he's talking about. After all there are beakers, graduated cylinders and a microscope (for observing microevolution?) on the table behind him.

[@Rob-ys6ot]

Ha! Like it!

[@Steve-Cross]

Great comment. Even cheap Sideshow performers need props lol

[@soriacx]

But he doesn't wear a lab coat!!! How can he be a true scientisticullysomething person if he doesn't wear a lab coat???

[@QuintarFarenor]

Oh he knows what he's talking about, he knows it so well that he can lie about it perfectly to an audience who is absolutely clueless and never be able to even google the stuff because he carefully chooses his words that will only lead them back to AiG and not even one reputable science site.

[@timberry4709]

@@soriacx Maybe he can borrow one from John Pendleton (chemist, father, mid-husband, auto mechanic, pterosaur hunter ).

[@TheCount991]

"Remember this guy, the arctic fox?" Well, yeah, I do. But that's not him. That's a coyote. Or maybe a roadrunner in a coyote costume. They do surprisingly good cosplay. And that half shrew, half bat thing... I literally face-palmed when he said that. They were gliders. Like flying squirrels. Also, have you ever seen a vampire bat run? They can move along quite well on the ground.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

While roadrunners are great at cosplaying coyotes, they always give themselves away. While a coyote, or a small group of them, can make a frightening noise that sounds like there are many more of them, roadrunners can only say “meep meep!” So if your devil dog “meeps” at you, you know you have an imposter.

[@soriacx]

@@dr.floridamanphd ...or when the "coyote" suddenly stops and picks at free bird seed, they always do :-)

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

The funny thing is that while the Coyote seems to run on some sort of Clockwork (what a silly attempt to implore the "blind watchmaker") they show two correct photos of the Arctic Fox, making it even MORE obvious that the first one wasn't a fox... But as for the clockwork, maybe they really do not understand that biological cells do not work ANYTHING close to mechanical machines? That would explain so much of the gullibility overload that is apologetical arguments for Rocks, Trees and animals all being "designed".

[@DudeTheMighty]

Not gonna lie, the mental image of a bat _running_ is terrifying. Thanks for sharing! 😸

[@adamthaxton3157]

Wait, is this guy's argument "this is complicated and I don't understand, therefore evolution is wrong?" Cuz wow.

[@ufutz]

Right, also religion takes no effort, intelligence, time or thought to believe. In fact it discourages all those things. Just stop thinking and blindly accept what's in this book. The exact opposite of science which takes time, effort, intelligence and thought and encourages those things.

[@TheScrootch]

That's pretty much the only argument creationists have

[@silverwurm]

Therefore god, specifically Fundamentalist Christian Jesus. Seems legit

[@quartz97]

35:50 Actually, I think that's probably the most honest Dave has ever been. He knows that what he's saying is impossible, but as long as it convinces at least one more person to maintain their belief in his preferred brand of ignorance, he's "done the lord's work".

[@stevewebber707]

Deceiving ignorant people is usually attributed to a different being than the one Dave claims to follow. It's funny, because the biblical Satan is far more honest and accurate than God. I do agree there was a hint of honesty in there though. In much the same way the best lies hold grains of truth.

[@Fritz999]

He must have a lazy ""Lord"", if this lord needs others to do his work.

[@69eddieD]

It's Lying for Jesus.

[@Balthazar228]

Creationists have all “kinds” of excuses for their scientific illiteracy

[@kinglyzard]

I see what you did there 😆 🤣

[@Ugly_German_Truths]

And all those excuses were created, but none of them were intelligently designed ;)

[@walkerflocker7811]

@@thelordjesus1136 hail Satan

[@walkerflocker7811]

@@thelordjesus1136 hail Satan

[@Ryangubbs]

"Kinds" lol. Really hate it when they do that.

[@Sundaydish1]

His tone of voice shows he is clearly aiming this at kids. Its disgusting. The way these creeps target children makes me sick.

[@BluePhoenix_]

Especially when they talk to them, as if they were dogs. Probably THE one thing Hovind does better than the average preacher.

[@DapperDinosaur]

Always great to see my buddy Jackson!

[@Deicide-xi5eo]

I really love watching AronRa destroy the charlatans.

[@Foolish188]

@Joe Andersen Instead of copying and pasting your blather, please explain how Jesus claimed to be descended from David, through his Father, Joseph, when Joseph wasn't his Father? Jesus was lying either about his virgin birth or of being descended from David. They are mutually exclusive claims.

[@Foolish188]

@Joe Andersen So neither God or Joseph are his Father? It is some guy named the Holy Spirit? That Jesus guy really told some whoppers. Oh wait, just read your "answer" again, are you saying that Jesus' Father was actually his Mother's brother? No wonder he preferred claiming God, Joseph, and this Holy Spirit guy as his Father.

[@Foolish188]

@Joe Andersen So the Sinless Jesus lied?? I guess that is what you mean, since you failed to think.

[@andrewgraham6953]

Thank you Aron for helping to shattering my faith years ago. Freeing me from the cognitive dissonance and denial that kept me from the truth. Keep doing what you are doing. It is vital for humanity to evole beyond the chains of "belief".

[@micktaylor891]

@@thelord3561 ARGH those magic word's, stop it Jebus the lights blinding me and forcing me to my knees. Wtf.

[@micktaylor891]

@@thealmightyjesus7018 No real to you!

[@sundiver137]

@@thealmightyjesus7018 Dismissed as religulous, idiotic christer spam.

[@RORY1230]

It's amazing how Big Wave Dave is relieving to watch compared to John and Jane.

[@rocketrudolf3854]

Man ,if Dave had a debate with Aron, he would be folded up like a dollar store lawn chair.

[@michaelmeszaros6982]

I swear I'm gonna start a microbrewery called "Allele Ale" if no one else does first. Jingle: "Slowly changing, never rough. Drink Allele, and THEN piss off." RockOn, Aron.

[@toatsants]

Thank U AronRa, it's always nice to learn. We never stop do we, not until we die.

[@thomastuthill5276]

Matt Bisbee did.

[@toatsants]

@@thomastuthill5276 who ???

[@resourcedragon]

"You know, listening to these creationist arguments that are always so bad and so wrong and so ignorant of everything, it makes me think that this guy is either stupid or dishonest. It's at least one or the other, but you don't have to decide which it is because creationist apologists are usually both." 🔥

[@colinmaclaughlanweir9670]

A new AronRa clip you just made my Friday

[@d.o.m.494]

Why is it they need to lie so blatantly and often if their creation story is true?

[@Rob-ys6ot]

Good point!

[@soriacx]

Because lying for Jeebus is considered a good thing by them.

[@wyldink1]

They're hoping you're too stupid to bother fact checking. If you're stupid, you'll believe everything they say and remain in the fold. If you aren't, then they can just claim you're too stupid to understand, that you have faith, or any other strawman they can conjure.

[@DemstarAus]

Because if the bible is false, nobody goes to heaven. If we don't go there when we die, then the universe is big and scary and lonely, and they want to feel more important than that, like they somehow deserve to avoid oblivion.

[@christiankalk4668]

@@DemstarAus You're giving them too much credit. It's more like, "I was taught this was true, and if it isn't, I'll feel stupid, and I don't want to feel stupid, do I'll defy any and all evidence to continue insisting it's true."

[@Sang-Je]

Real tired of these child abusers, thanks for disputing thier perversion. Abusing young minds should be a crime. Sadly it is not. Bruises heal quickly, mental abuse may never get through the damage.

[@stevekendra8983]

I wish I had your patience. I would have called him a dumb...... 50 times within the first 5 minutes then yelled at him for another hour.

[@brunozeigerts6379]

Listening to apologists makes me think of the line in Die Hard: Man, why don't you try smelling what you're shoveling?

[@cynicallyskeptic4295]

I didn’t just leave fundamentalist YEC, I was driven away by these types of people. When I started doing actual research and found out how much they misrepresent work done by scientists but don’t do any of their own actual research it drove me away.

[@cynicallyskeptic4295]

@@thealmightyjesus7018 what does any of your several posts here have to do with evolution? There are plenty of evolutionary biologists and scientists that believe everything you believe about Christ. Biologos scientists attest to Christ and accept evolution as true.

[@cynicallyskeptic4295]

@@thealmightyjesus7018 if some don’t then some do? So again evolution isn’t a factor.

[@martinmckee5333]

Dave's incredulity about bats developing echolocation is just silly, given that some humans can learn to navigate via echolocation.

[@bloodleader5]

Yeah, it's a common skill among blind people who can develop it in just months or years of their life. Is it so hard to believe that a species could have perfected it over thousands of lifetimes? Hah.

[@martinmckee5333]

@@bloodleader5 Absolutely.

[@stylis666]

He does have a point though if you look at it from a biblical perspective. What are the odds that a locust bird develops echo location and nipples? I know a purple dragon who has calculated the odds and it's the same as rolling a 17 on a 13 sided dice 20 trillion times in a reverse row.

[@bloodleader5]

@@stylis666 These probabilities they throw out are always funny to me, because not only do they never show a method for how they get the numbers, but they don't even have an n, so how does it even work? They obviously don't even know how to calculate the chance of a d6 rolling 1 three times, 'cause the math is never explained. It's great.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I can hear the change in sound walking around my house, eg I can hear when I'm in a hallway or door frame. Nothing at all like the blind guy who rides a bike while clicking though.

[@John.0z]

I love the use of the stop frame animated section from Flesh Gordon at the end. The best bit is when the monster sees himself in a mirror, steps back to look again, and says "Wow" in appreciation. He, like us, is egocentric in a good way - he thinks he is what an attractive creature *should* look like.

[@alameachan]

I wouldn't call creationists stupid, but put them in one of three categories instead. - uninformed, when they have no idea what they're talking about - ignorant, when they were informed about their mistakes and dismiss the information - dishonest, when they decide to tell their demonstrably wrong ideas to others in order to sway them to their side Each of those stages are more difficult to recover from.

[@Revanbzn]

They are in al theee.

[@joelgunderson396]

I'd say willfully ignorant is more accurate

[@FishHeadSalad]

Odd how Dave mentions the artic fox, you know, part of the "dog" kind without mentioning why genetically, it cannot inter breed with other foxes, let alone domestic dogs, wolves, coyotes, or any other "dog kind"!

[@forodinssake9570]

Honestly if i was a creationist I'd be terrified of AronRa, not only is he destroying their claims but they way he does it feels like an unstoppable force

[@BaronVonQuiply]

He's also been mistaken for Bigfoot at least once. It's a a great story, if you haven't heard it.

[@forodinssake9570]

@@BaronVonQuiply tell it.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

@@forodinssake9570 It's available with him telling the story on video, and that's going to be the better version, but I don't recall which video it's in so I'll tell you. Aron was walking down a dark road one night, might have been Texas, when he saw a coyote cross the road in front of him. The he heard one cross behind him. He realizes "They're circling me" and he has nothing but the sweater on his back to defend himself. So luckily, he sees a car heading his way. And, realizing this might be his only chance to get the car to stop and get hi away from the wild dogs, he throws his arms up in the air to be as big as possible and stands out waving at the car in his big woolly sweater with his long hair and fu manchu. The car veers away and speeds off. Some time later, Aron is in town, made it past the dogs, and he gets a warning about walking alone on the back roads like that, especially given that they'd just had a Bigfoot siting earlier that night.

[@nemilyk]

Me before vid: Ugh... can we be done with John and Jane? What about good old Big Wave Dave? Me after vid: OKAY I REGRET THAT REQUEST! VARDA'S SAKE I FORGOT HOW ANNOYING AND PATRONIZING HE IS! ERU NEEDS TO GO FULL FALL OF NUMENOR ON THIS SCHMUCK!

[@laurajarrell6187]

Aron, wow, even I could tell where Dave was lying, ignorant but willfully so, to protect his faith and feelings. A d yay, great to see Jackson, on more than the wonderful Bones stream, Watching Aron videos taught me much, but a lot felt very intuitive. And a couple notes. Terrorists use half truth to recruit, same! And he makes it sound like the animals choose to adapt, as if they'll be able to with climate change. Just more deceitful reverses, typical apologist tactics . Great job! Ugh Dave is so smarmy. 👍💝💖🥰✌

[@kinglyzard]

At least we come out ahead with Dave. We gain more brain cells listening to Aron Ra than we lose listening to Bisby. With Kent Hovind, we about break even 😞

[@kinglyzard]

Dave is pukey and condescending.

[@jesuslord6822]

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[@jesuslord6822]

#JESUS FIRST Jesus Is Still Waiting On The Otherside Hallelujah He Is Light And In Jesus Is No Darkness At All Our Heavenly Father

[@laurajarrell6187]

I am so glad we've learned NOT to answer the bot type commenters like Jesus here. They only get paid per response. The channel is from a few days ago and has nothing else. Someone ought to let it know it is copy paseting mistakes. And, if it is a religious person, they 'took' the name in vain, lol, cuz we ignored it! 👍🥰💖✌

[@befrugalwithus]

Had a hard time learning this in school. But your videos have taught me what I didn't know.

[@69eddieD]

There's some heavy duty religious trolling in the comments.

[@robertfelton8374]

Big Wave Dave is like a car accident, you know it won't be pleasant, but you got to stop and watch anyway.

[@DataDr0id]

At 30:00, he says that mammoths were "much bigger and stronger" than modern elephants. This is incorrect. Woolly mammoths were approximately the same size as modern African elephants. Steppe mammoths were a bit larger, but I suspect he isn't aware that they existed.

[@WildLand1895]

Big Fake Wave Dave doesn't know what he's talking about, my 13 year old cousin knows more species in the fossil record than he does.

[@gibblesglobe991]

Anyone else love the irony of stating that evolution is unfalsifiable whilst claiming that it’s false?

[@monsterguyx]

Dave's real "Big Wave" was him saying "bye-bye" to reality.

[@rellsw02]

I love the argument from seemingly impossible odds. What does he think the odds are that he was the sperm that won the race? The chances are between 30,000,000:1 and 750,000,000:1 and that's just based on average sperm counts and says nothing about the other variables.

[@justcallmekai1554]

Isnt it odd that since you came out the womb, every single event in your life has led to you making this comment on this specific day and in this specific way? Impossible aye? :P

[@phpeon9282]

The mathematician these oxygen thieves are always quoting is a known liar and word-player, knowing how to extravagate and exagerate the simplest of thinks so that the day of yesterday may be impossible

[@BumroyV2]

I don't know why, but I love seeing creationist pull some concept out of their ass that has nothing to do with evolution. When Dave brought up continuous environmental tracking and describing an autonomous vehicle, I immediate wondered how he imagines animals with no nervous systems, fungi, and unicellular organisms process the world around them. I thought creationists believe humans aren't animals because we're so much smarter, but apparently jellyfish have a sophisticated response system akin to a Google supercomputer.

[@leeshackelford7517]

Then I bet you'd love some intros of Gutsick Gibbon's videos.... She actually has the guy PULLING his ideas out of his ass

[@bloodleader5]

Keep in mind, he literally said that the eggs of the cavefish process their environment and intelligently choose to transform as a result. Not the fish; the **eggs** do it. How does he suggest that happens when they don't have any organs at all yet, let alone sensory organs? He might even be dumber than Hovind.

[@kinglyzard]

For a moment there I thought he had a hold of epigenetics, but couldn't get his brain around it. Like a blind man with an elephant's ear and calling it a leaf.

[@dr.floridamanphd]

@@bloodleader5 I don’t know if he’s dumber than Kunt Koresh. His ideas, while insane, are at least original. Kunt hasn’t had an original idea in 50 years.

[@fred_derf]

@@bloodleader5 I think you mean he may even be more disingenuous than Hovind.

[@humanspoder777]

Dude did anyone else notice Dave used a friggin' coyote for his picture of an arctic fox before it's winter coat?? He couldn't even be bothered to catch that?

[@celem1000]

They even misrepresented their self-driving car analogy by implying that it uses their 'Continuous Environmental Tracking'. That is not a phrase used anywhere in the field of autonomous vehicles. It does somewhat describe the operation of the sensor suite, but is just a word-salad of their own device. There is no single buzzword for the process described, you could call it what you like and each operator tends to have their own terminology. I spent 6 years at Volvo IT working with Computer Vision for autonomous vehicles. I never encountered the term. I can find zero non-creationist references to CET in literature. Not from Volvo, not from Waymo/Google It rather makes the example redundant, just piggybacking on new tech to appear uptodate. He then proceeds to posit that animals work like computers with his repeating set of steps, its just all over the shop. Yes, if you asked me to create a fox whose coat changes colour seasonally, that is how I would lmplement that as a software engineer. But that is massively irrelevant since he is supposed to be discussing biology. Maybe it was an attempt to imply Intelligent Design, which is indeed what you get if i write the robofox software. I suspect one of their engineers had their hand on the wheel for that part of the script

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Great to have Jackson on board to help tear this nonsense down 👍

[@johnb8940]

His explanation of how he thinks a transitional creature from shrew to bat would be a half formed doomed creature just helps to display their complete lack of understanding of how features evolve. They think that what we see as a fully formed appendage or trait would be built piece by piece by previous life forms instead of the way it really is in which traits gradually change over time. It isn't a "half wing" or a "half eye". And that's what they just can't seem to grasp.

[@TheCheapPhilosophy]

The creationist's study of biology is reading the Bible and trying to figure out a coherent definition of what "kinds" meant. Two millennia went by...

[@justincredible.]

Even IF evolution is ever disprove, that still doesn't mean "gawd did it".

[@Skeptic78]

I had someone tell me this past week that creationists aren't lying because they don't know they're lying because they believe what they say. I responded by saying willful ignorance is lying. 🤣

[@edwardtrickett1983]

Aron, a sincere thank you once again for your work YOU ROCK!

[@rickedwards7276]

It’s relatively easy to rebut the pathetic arguments of most of these apologists. I don’t watch most rebuttal videos because they tend to be repetitious and somewhat tedious. What I love about Aron’s videos is that in the process of demolishing nincompoops he also, along with the people he brings on, teaches me new things.

[@ziploc2000]

I recommend Forrest Valkai, he's great at explaining with humor.

[@rickedwards7276]

@@thelordjesus1136 Just so you know this is about as ineffective a way to influence people on this thread as is possible.

[@rickedwards7276]

@@thelordjesus1136 🙄😴

[@69eddieD]

@@thelordjesus1136 ALL HAIL SPAMHOLIO

[@BruceS42]

Aron, I (almost) always enjoy your takedowns of the farcical magic models, and your choices of short clips (e.g. "you are always wrong") frequently make me laugh out loud, but this video's choice of guest is particularly amusing. Mr. Wheat sounds like he not only has such a firm grasp of the material that it's second nature to him, but also that he *can't* quite grasp how anyone could be as fundamentally misinformed as Big Wave Dave. I keep getting the impression that he's really saying something like "WTF made you think that?! What is *wrong* with you?" I'm going to have to watch some of Jackson Wheat's videos next, maybe have yet another channel subscription. If you're reading this, Mr. Wheat, I say "well done". This is well outside my expertise, so another aspect of watching these videos is learning new material, though the humor of hearing the nonsense and rebuttal of that nonsense is huge. I still have issues with the idea of "species", but that's another topic.

[@annajensen7360]

AUDIO WARNING: At around 16:26 the creationist video has an unnecessarily loud munching noise, which startled me badly. Please be careful headphone users

[@mrk4022]

yes, it was awful.

[@kevinwebster7868]

I love that “red panda kind”. All by himself. Poor Red Pandas. They have no friends.

[@davidfitnesstech]

You won't be able to bring up any "genesis apologetics" video, without having Aron's debunk video right next to it. NICE. KEEP THEM COMING SIR.

[@Altorin]

I think this scientist gives Dave too much credit. Dave's "Adaptation" amounts to how foxes change color in the winter time. It has nothing to do with evolution or natural selection at all.

[@kai_plays_khomus]

The "arctic fox" @13:34 looks a damn lot like a coyote. Big Dave is explaining the world - you're welcome.

[@cola98765]

This guy: "Remember this guy?... arctic fox?" Me: "That's no Vulpes... That's some Canis!" I wasn't sure whether it was coyote or not, but for me it was almost jarring that he called that a fox.

[@PZMyersBiology]

Good work, Jackson. This Bisbee guy should not be teaching kids.

[@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol9264]

Says someone who teaches their students that humans have gill slits and life came into existence all by itself from rocks .

[@chamelaroo4683]

Well at least this video presented an argument for creation that I had never heard before. Too bad for them that it is still wrong. Enjoyed hearing Jackson's take on it all.

[@protoborg]

Ever notice creationists seem to think that somehow things like eyes, ears, and noses appear fully formed. There are plenty of creatures with underdeveloped or maldeveloped eyes, ears, and noses.

[@ye-old-baxter5816]

Lol, I thought Dave had a bunch of bongs behind him, lol.

[@bloodleader5]

Maybe he should, it might help him calm those jitters.

[@thomasfplm]

Something interesting to know is that there is a split in YEC, there is a group that believes that there were just a few "kinds" in the arc that hyper evolved into all species that currently exist and there is another one that doesn't accept this hyper-evolution, but believes in that "environmental awareness" mentioned by Dave. I suggest the video with Dr. Joel Duff at the chanel Creation Myths to understand it better.

[@AntisocialAtheist1]

Yes! A new AronRa video! It's going to be a good day! Aron dismantles these primitive thinking religious con men like no other. I don't understand how they still have careers after Aron is finished with them. It must take a lot of time to go through these religious charlatans BS piece by piece like this. I assume Aron has done this for so long most of it is coming from memory so that makes it look easy for him

[@cyberjism]

did anybody else keep rewinding the Dave's Not Here part?

[@timcirulis5273]

Okay Chong had me rolling. "Dave's not here" lol

[@NetAndyCz]

35:27 How do you know it was not capable of echolocation? It may not be capable of as effective echolocation, but where do you draw the line for being capable of echolocation? Most people can tell by the echo if they are in an empty room, open space, huge cavern or room full of furniture... Some people, especially blind ones, can echolocate to a certain degree and click tongue and describe their surrounding with decent precision. How can you tell the ancient proto-bat or shrew cannot do that?

[@thomastuthill5276]

Matt Bisbee made me laugh. I love his energy and dust storm technology. He's a trailblazer & a blind cave tetra.

[@davidschneide5422]

Big Wave Dave's ability to blatantly lie, even while citing the very evidence he distorts, makes me think he was trained as a prosecutor.

[@silverwolf2676]

Sounds more like a defence lawyer to me.

[@kinglyzard]

@@silverwolf2676 Or a used car dealer. "When a door closes, another opens." But other than that it's a real good car 😆 🤣

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

@@silverwolf2676 Defence lawyers provide valuable services to society keeping our prosecution system in check and helping the mediation of disputes. He is just reducing the education and reasoning capacity of children.

[@silverwolf2676]

@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana Ok he's the worst kind of defense lawyer, defending his client despite clear guilt.

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

@@silverwolf2676 Even those people are actually useful. Someone has to make an attempt at defending them. Makes spare time for other lawyers. Creationism has no (slightly) redeeming value.

[@therobotwithhumanhair9894]

It’s worth noting the original videos ALWAYS have comments turned off… I wonder why

[@Im_Hugh_Jass]

When do creationists even think the ice age was?

[@Epifon311]

Holy shit! 16:25 That pike just sucked up that carp like it was the under-water vaccum-cleaner of god. It sounded like Kent Hovind gasping after he found the mother of all quotes to mine! Love it.

[@MisterItchy]

I love how his four 'different' meanings for evolution listed are three parts of evolution and an outright lie. Apologists are the best, aren't they?

[@Kilmoran]

"...Their idea of Noah's Ark wasn't big enough to hold them all." Exceptional wordplay.

[@lemon3rd800]

Love this series!

[@ratchet1freak]

34:41 humans can echo locate and it is routinely taught to vision-impaired people. When trained and practiced they can use that to count the number of trees by the sidewalk simply by detecting how the road noise interacts with them.

[@kevindavis5966]

Octopi being from space I'd actually believe - those critters are fucking weird.

[@andybrace9225]

They taste nice though

[@JacobKaiju]

Also, to shatter Dave's world a bit more, vampire bats are capable of running.

[@evol4.6]

Oh good! More Cowabunga Dave. This is gonna be fun

[@Retrieverman1]

I did not know anyone who would mistake a coyote for an arctic fox.

[@SpectreEelman]

Always notice how every Creationist video on KZbin has the comments turned off?

[@WeirdWonderful]

No, he demands you to show him something that is 50 % identical with a modern Shrew and 50 % identical with a modern bat. Basically demanding you glue half of one ontop of half of the other, and then asserting such a creature could not exist.

[@HuckleBearerTheRhymeSlinger]

Big wave Dave just got a Tsunami over his shit show.

[@MrBoDiggety]

Thank you Aron for keeping up the fight against Iron Age ignorance.

[@badideass]

Nothing says oxymoron like Creationist scientist

[@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol9264]

Nothing says oxymoron like evolutionary scientist.

[@TheEyez187]

19:05 - Myriad unique forms, like Bubo the golden owl. Family friend Pat Roach, played Hephaestus the God who made the owl in the original Clash of the Titans!

[@Outspoken.Humanist]

Wavy Davey almost told the truth, by mistake, at the end when he said "the point of all these lessons is not to win arguments, it's to be able to reach people for Jesus Christ". In other words, what he teaches is not science and not even fact, it is faith. So why doesn't he just admit that? Because lying to Children, in order to brainwash them into his religion, is his whole purpose.

[@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol9264]

You mean like evolutionists force their religion to be taught in schools with tax payers money and lying to kids that the evolution religion actually has evidence for it when it doesn’t. But when kids get indoctrinated for years in schools they’re going to end up thinking that evolution actually does have evidence when it don’t.

[@lovealatte]

Hi there, love the information you put out. I don't know if you take video rebuttal suggestions but here is a very good one to do so. "The Best reply to Atheist, Evolutionist and Agnostic - Ravi Zacharias", here is the title.

[@inyobill]

"That's not how I understand the word, therefore the science is wrong." There is no limit to the arrogance of the ignorant. Exactly analogous to the Deepak Chopak (or however he spells his name, he's not worth my time to look it up).

[@XavIsOnline]

Wait... EXTINCTION-LEVEL DUST STORMS IN AN ARCTIC TUNDRA? Where tf did he even GET that?

[@kermitthorson9719]

do you put in the cheech and chong reference on on dave's TV?