Bishop's Panel Discussion

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@jessicayates8162 17 күн бұрын

"Stop cheating on your future with your past, you gotta let some stuff go" That was such a lightbulb moment! Thanks for another great episode!

@michbel6 16 күн бұрын

I had suicidal thoughts after leaving the church and it was the biggest thing that woke my husband up. He didn't want to lose me. I was terrified that he would leave me. My entire family is out now, all 6 kids and my husband. 5 kids and I have resigned. It's been 12 years since I left and it DOES get so much better. I seldom think about the church and our lives are happy and full.

@marquitaarmstrong399 15 күн бұрын

Happy 4 u❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

@ElbertFish-dj9bz Ай бұрын

Bishop Jones speaks exactly what my thoughts are! All these bishops are a treasure to watch 😎

@leisaolson1561 28 күн бұрын

Well done bishops!! Between serving missions and serving as bishops the church should be paying out for support for all the PTSD they have caused. Thank you for doing his, being raw, being men of integrity. I think a bishops council should be a monthly episode Nathan, with as many ex bishops that would be willing to attend. It is healing to some degree and I feel that more and more members in your age bracket are needing to hear the truths y'all have to share.

@LifeAfterBelief Ай бұрын

Killer episode!! Fun, funny, authentic, and therapeutic for all of us.

@marquitaarmstrong399 15 күн бұрын

❤ these guys

@aromaathome Ай бұрын

Thanks for this! The part about how church service tears families apart was so validating (1:07). This is EXACTLY why I left the church about 30 years ago….. and I’ve sometimes wondered if it was because I was too selfish. I just wanted my husband to be able to show up for me and the kids when we really needed him. The church doesn’t see it that way, at all! They just want couples to give give GIVE all they have to the church. And that includes all of their time. So sad! Our life was much more full and beautiful after getting out of the rat race!

@saraschutz8299 Ай бұрын

i really appreciated hearing from all of you. I love the wisdom and the honesty. Much love to each of you. Thank you!

@walkinonsunshin2679 Ай бұрын

LOVE Love love hearing about everyone's DONE DAY!! Good on YOU!! You are enough. You are worthy! So proud of YOU!!

@LoraleeNunley Ай бұрын

This just raised my spirt so high. All four of you. 👍🙏💜

@mrslonelyhearts Ай бұрын

More please. Best Bishops fireside ever!!

@birgittetange6411 Ай бұрын

LOVED this "both feet on the ground" conversation between the 4 of you. THANKS !!! Hugs from Denmark ❤

@AnUnlikelyArkie Ай бұрын

Just when I think I can't learn any more going down the endless Mormon rabbit hole, I'm proved wrong. Great episode! Thank you for your candidness, bishops!!!

@Annette-b6v Ай бұрын

Absolutely amazing! The honesty of these gentlemen was so refreshing. Thanks to you all😊

@ElbertFish-dj9bz Ай бұрын

I Needed these Bishops all in my life!!! Thank you Nathan Hinkley🥰🥲

@rmj4978 Ай бұрын

OMG This was great!Loved it every minute! So much fun, humour and perspective! ❤ Hugs from the UK😊

@shannon_m379 Ай бұрын

Bishop Hinkley, and all of the fine Bishops in this episode - what a breath of fresh air it was being able to listen to the four of you speak so sincerely, honestly and candidly about your experiences in the church. I could listen to you all of you talk every night - this was so enjoyable, humorous, and relatable. Nathan, I love your channel and I’m so glad you’re here in this space. Thank you 🙏 I’ll be sure to catch you live next time!

@ElbertFish-dj9bz Ай бұрын

WHEEW! Bishop Jones's explanation of leaving the cult is So True!!!! Thank you Nathan for this episode

@mindsamazing9179 Ай бұрын

Great episode! Very cathartic to hear and see good men live normal non-LDS lives.

@randyjordan5521 Ай бұрын

I served in ward leadership positions for 13 straight years in my 20s and 30s. The last two as bishop's counselor. I resigned from that at age 34. There was so much negativity from dealing with those people and their issues that it was affecting me and my own family. In the mid-'80s, the church announced that names of wards would be changed from numbers to ones that reflected the area, such as geographical location. We were in bishopric meeting one Sunday discussing what new name to call our ward. Considering how many nutty people we had, I jokingly suggested that we call it the Lockup Ward. That brought a chuckle from everybody else in the room. It was funny because it was true. My family's life vastly improved when we stopped attending the LDS church. No more having to get four kids ready for church on Sunday mornings. No more dad having to go to leadership meetings an hour or two earlier, and mom having to get the kids ready by herself. No more having to give 10% of our hard earned money to the church, when we were just a middle class, blue collar household. If you have four kids and a house payment, you have to make close to a six figure income to be a "temple worthy" Mormon. And that was back in the '80s. I was just a plumber, making an average income. No more having to deal with a bunch of other people and their petty problems. Since we left that church, I've often said that there were very few people in our ward that we would be friends with if we didn't happen to go to church together.

@marquitaarmstrong399 15 күн бұрын

Thank you

@ElbertFish-dj9bz Ай бұрын

There is not too many things I would like see more than Bishop Jones in his excommunication meeting 😂🤣

@RuthMorton-y9r Ай бұрын

As an avid geneologist for44 years ,I have 134,000 waiting for temple work.After leaving the church and listening to Mormon stories I realise what a waste of time it all was. We even baptised all the babies from other churches records along with marriages and deaths( how arrogant to say they needed redoing in the Mormon,LDS way. 5 hours minimum for each person. As Huge Nibley says Sin in waste. It's doing one thing when you could be doing other and more important things for which you have the capacity . From the timely and the timeless. Good luck ExBishops in following what you have the capacity to do.

@nathanfinstad4333 Ай бұрын

Wow, incredible. Thank you for sharing

@randyjordan5521 Ай бұрын

The whole "proxy work for the dead" thing is a huge, useless waste of time and resources. I'll share a couple of reasons why: We've all heard that in order to do the proxy ordinances for dead people, the information has to be correct---name, birthdate, etc. The church's genealogical department prides itself on collecting that info and getting it all correct. However, in 1978, I went to the temple, and did a session of the "initiatory ordinances"---the ones where you sit in a chair, holding a list of dead people's names, and an old temple worker repeats the same words over each one of them. The list I had were names from the 17th or 18th century. On about half of them, the first name was "Mister." At the time, I just assumed that "Mister" must have been a popular name to give boys in that place and era. But later, it dawned on me that that name was used because the submitter couldn't find the actual names. So that told me that the whole thing was bogus. How could a dead person get into the celestial kingdom if his "proxy" didn't state his actual name in the ordinance? Shortly after I left the church, I was discussing this with another Ex-Mormon. He told me that he did the same proxy work thing, and a lot of the first names on his list were simply "Juan." They were Hispanic surnames, and whoever submitted them obviously couldn't identify their actual first names, so he just sent them in as "Juan." The church boasts about all of the new temples they've built, and how that helps the "proxy work for the dead" to go forth. One of my nieces recently wrote a FB post talking about the new Tallahassee temple and how she was excited to go there and join in on the great work of "salvation for the dead." And the whole things is 100% nonsense. The real purpose of building all of those new temples is that tithing revenues increase in those areas. It's all just another one of the church's money-making schemes.

@hollistermommie Ай бұрын

Thank you guys for being real!!!

@Shirley-r4h9p Ай бұрын

Thank you each for sharing the TRUTH ❤️ from a 85 year old Woman who has had my name removed from the VP Mormon CRAP after doing it All to save myself “ I’m Free after 67 years !!!

@ConnieTeuscher Ай бұрын

Wow! Congratulations. I got free at age 60. It’s wonderful.

@Zelig_G Ай бұрын

Congratulations - us! 🎉 I got free at 71.

@dianemelling5446 Ай бұрын

Loved this❤ you guys are awesome. Thanks for the laughs and the honesty. My last experience with my bishop did not go well , so this was fantastic. I wish every active bishop could hear this.

@RuthMLB Ай бұрын

Great questions! Loved listening to all the answers! Great job!

@joeycarter2994 Ай бұрын

Glad I found your Chanel. I've been deconstructing for 5yrs, grew up in UT and a member si once I was 9yr old, served a mission and was a TBM until I started doing g a deep dive into church history, the BOM and the BoA. Great podcast.

@tawnyachristensen7310 Ай бұрын

Awesome panel, brave men of real integrity.

@adayinthelifeofarancherswi2985 Ай бұрын

Thank you all for your honesty! I appreciated every aspect of this conversation!

@pianomanchristopher Ай бұрын

Great advice on paying off mortgages with the church's money! You're a modern day Robin Hood, Bishop Jones!

@marquitaarmstrong399 15 күн бұрын

Many ❤ing members

@marquitaarmstrong399 15 күн бұрын

Had great bishop then he became stake president. Good guy. ❤ing guy. Nonjudgmental. Just good old human being. U guys r great 2. Thanx❤❤❤❤

@sallybuhler4984 Ай бұрын

This is a great episode!!

@martimorris6489 Ай бұрын

This podcast was so AWESOME!!!!!!

@sewqueen181 Ай бұрын

This was so good. Thanks Bishops 😂

@ElbertFish-dj9bz Ай бұрын

Don Suda is a genuine Dude👑

@marquitaarmstrong399 15 күн бұрын

Love u guys!

@pianomanchristopher Ай бұрын

To quote RFM, "There's no such thing as worthy"😂

@deb6519 Ай бұрын

Isn't it liberating to "think for yourself "?!?

@Thebishopsinterview Ай бұрын

@@deb6519 yes!!

@marquitaarmstrong399 15 күн бұрын

YESs

@marquitaarmstrong399 15 күн бұрын

So sincere

@savedbygracethrufaith Ай бұрын

More of this!!

@kjdailydeals Ай бұрын

You guys are awesome!!! Welcome to FREEDOM

@darylstevenett1 Ай бұрын

Excellent show ExBishops!

@RuthMorton-y9r Ай бұрын

Next level soul with Alex Ferrari looks into many beliefs .

@pastimesfarm Ай бұрын

I am a never Mormon but wow. This was amazing.

@pianomanchristopher Ай бұрын

Now I finally get to hear what bishops REALLY think!!!

@joshcreason6941 Ай бұрын

How can we follow these guys? Tik tok, KZbin, Instagram? Great interview. I actually just told my wife about my feelings about the church. It was so freeing. Sadly she doesn't feel the same as me. We are agreeing to disagree. You guys help more people than you know. Thank you,l for being willing to share.

@MrHeybert Ай бұрын

Same situation for me. I still go to sacrament meeting with my wife but the bishops knows my feelings and that I wont take callings anymore

@thelastgoonie6555 Ай бұрын

Love any panel with people east of the River Sidon :) Being south of the waters of Ripliankum is just a bonus!

@deb6519 Ай бұрын

Hey, ole friend, Don Suda ... 😊 Good job!

@delvis1131 Ай бұрын

Great show, guys. I hope you do it again!

@jamescrane6583 Ай бұрын

I wish I had more empathy for bishops, but during my faith crisis it became clear that people were bishops first and friends second. My bishop also prohibited me from being present for my daughter temple sealing.

@ElbertFish-dj9bz Ай бұрын

F*cking Amen Bishop Jones! 👏👏👏👏 "I don't read it is, I f*cking hate it!"🤣

@walkinonsunshin2679 Ай бұрын

We live outside of UT, TG!! Psych patient, she didn't know, told our kid they were Joe Smith's favorite wife on 1st day of psych clinicals. WTH?! THEY KNOW!

@jgreen8298 Ай бұрын

Great conversation! It would be interesting to know how your spiritual beliefs have changed since leaving mormonism.

@ElbertFish-dj9bz Ай бұрын

AHahahaha this is the best meeting ever!!!😂🤣

@boibodoll Ай бұрын

First of all I LOVED this episode. Second of all I’m trying to decide if bishop jones is actually the same guy from the Mormon stories interview a year ago?!? 🤯 they seem like 2 different men. Have you watch Alyssa Grenfell’s episode on her Mormon self vs now? Maybe bishop jones should watch that one and see what he thinks 😄. I resonate with hinkley bc I tried so hard to be by the books too and wish I had done more NOT by the books, as a missionary and in my personal life. I love the quote the bottom Nathan has in his work out space. I loved the stories. Keep up the good work

@MatiMikesell Ай бұрын

When they talked about tithing, phew, it’s wild that if you don’t pay it you can’t participate in the temple and you’re looked down upon. As someone that has left, I think of the time that we were a young married couple with a baby and we couldn’t pay rent, buy groceries, etc… but did we pay tithing? Freaking ALWAYS. I hate that we were that brainwashed that we were blindly following and giving to a deceitful organization in the name of our “faith” and always paid that 10% first. If I knew what I know now…🤪

@marquitaarmstrong399 15 күн бұрын

Oh man sec and ensign peak

@nathanbigler Ай бұрын

❤

@pianomanchristopher Ай бұрын

It's about time the church was brought to justice. Remember Enron? Madoff? Doesn't the church fit that same profile? We should all be asking for our tithing back, not to mention compensation for the mental damage.

@parrishthethoughtpodcast368 Ай бұрын

Ya'll did what you thought was right. We all do. We just did what we were "supposed to do". Be kinder to your former selves. I said and did some stupid 'canned cause we were programmed to' shit that I regret.

@andreadiamond7115 Ай бұрын

Commenting to help.

@parrishthethoughtpodcast368 Ай бұрын

Did you all feel like you had autonomy to exercise discernment in making decisions over your wards or did you feel like you had to be yes men to your stake presidencies?

@cherylduncan5158 Ай бұрын

I never had a hot Bishop like Bishop Jones!

@Thebishopsinterview Ай бұрын

Same!

@BMD51798 Ай бұрын

I’m not saying these gentlemen didn’t have testimonies or weren’t faithful but i don’t think they were “churchbroke.” If a Bishop in Provo, Utah goes awol, you’re a pariah and your life is over. If you’re in Tennessee at least you have a chance at normalcy. Loved, loved, loved this episode!!

@jeffreyblanton9877 Ай бұрын

I also served as a Bishop during COVID . It was the most challenging thing I have ever been a part off and at the same time my work was on overdrive because I was working as a Postmaster and our package delivers increased by 1/2 million over 4 years. My first month on I got a letter from a Sister wanting her name removed because of the Gospel Essays. This was the first I heard of the things talking about especially when it came to Joseph Smith and polygamy. I’m still in the camp that he didn’t practice it and that Brigham Young began the practice. But hear it is on the LDS website saying he did this. I did watch an interesting take supporting the Joseph was fighting against it and after his death Brigham implemented the practice. This actually lined up with what President Hinkley said on Larry King. Also there isn’t any DNA evidence connecting children to Joseph and if that’s true then he was a terrible polygamist compared to Young and the rest of them. At any rate it’s a problem. Brigham did a lot of very questionable stuff. I like the channel because as a Southerner it’s always been difficult being in the church and it’s just different than being out in Utah. I also think the ban on baptizing my Southern brothers and sisters that drink sweet tea is so ridiculous. I also feel like the church in the south is an afterthought to the leadership. I’m not ready to leave the church over it but it certainly has changed things in my mind. I do love the members of the Ward I served. When it came to interviewing youth when I got to the Chasity question I always encouraged the youth to have this conversation with their parent or a trusted loved one. also if any YM come in with shame of looking at P I would tell them to hold up there head up and know that our Savior has love and grace with this sort of stuff and to move forward. No way we should be beating up on a young person but instead help lift them up so they can have confidence in the atonement. I tried my best to avoid being a handbook Bishop but will admit that the first year I looked up a lot of stuff then after that I just we t with the impression that I would get on how to deal with a issue. The handbook changes every other week.

@randyjordan5521 Ай бұрын

"I’m still in the camp that he didn’t practice it and that Brigham Young began the practice." I've studied the history of Mormon polygamy for 28 years. Let me assure you that Joseph Smith did indeed originate it and practice it. About 130 people in Nauvoo had heard about polygamy during Joseph's lifetime, and every single one of them said that they learned it from Joseph or Hyrum Smith. That includes the people who accepted polygamy and practiced it as well as those who opposed it and spoke out against it. Every serious, legitimate historian who has reasearched and published on ths issue beginning with Fawn Brodie's bio of Joseph Smith in 1946 concurs that Smith started it. These modern day "Joseph Smith polygamy deniers" simply refuse to accept the facts, because they know that if Smith started polygamy, that that means that he was a liar, an adulterer, and a hypocrite. They want to keep believing in Joseph, so they put themselves into a state of denial of the facts. They posit that all of the 130 or so people who testified to Joseph's involvement in polygamy were liars or were misinformed. If you want to know the facts of this issue, I recommend that you start by reading the article "Identifying the Earliest Mormon Polygamists, 1841-1844" by historian Gary James Bergera. In that paper, you'll learn: "The abundant evidence for Joseph Smith’s Nauvoo plural wives was first published in Andrew Jenson, “Plural Marriage,” Historical Record 6 (May 1887): 233-34. Jenson was followed by Fawn Brodie, No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet, 2d ed., rev. and enl. (1945; New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), 457-88; Thomas Milton Tinney, The Royal Family of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Junior (Salt Lake City: Tinney-Green[e] Family Organization Publishing Company, 1973); Danel W. Bachman, “A Study of the Mormon Practice of Plural Marriage before the Death of Joseph Smith” (1975); George D. Smith, “Nauvoo Roots of Mormon Polygamy” (1994); D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (1994), 587-88; and most recently Todd Compton, In Sacred Loneliness. Although some readers may disagree in a handful of instances with Compton’s identifications of Smith’s Nauvoo wives,[74] I believe he is accurate. In fact, I am persuaded that the evidence allows for an additional four (if not more) plural wives-Mary Houston, Sarah Scott Mulholland, Mary Ann Frost Stearns Pratt, and Phebe Watrous Woodworth-bringing the total of Joseph Smith’s known Nauvoo plural wives to at least thirty-six."

@randyjordan5521 Ай бұрын

" Also there isn’t any DNA evidence connecting children to Joseph and if that’s true then he was a terrible polygamist compared to Young and the rest of them." Whether or not Joseph Smith sired any children by any of his plural wives or not is immaterial to the evidence which proves that he originated and practiced polygamy. Several of his former plural wives testified in court that they had had sex with them. At least two women, who were married at the time, said that they didn't know whether a child of theirs was fathered by Smith or their legal husbands. So obviously, they were having sex with both Smith and their husbands when they became pregnant. In 1905, one of Joseph's former plural wives, Mary Rollins Lightner, was invited to speak at Brigham Young Academy because she was one of the last few living members who had been in the church from its beginnings, and because of her long and close relationship with Joseph Smith. For many years, she had been the Relief Society president in Minersville, Utah. In her remarks, Mary said: "I know he had six wives and I have known some of them from childhood up. I knew he had three children. They told me. I think two are living today but they are not known as his children as they go by other names." In addition, other Nauvoo church members whom Joseph inducted into polygamy in Nauvoo sired children by their plural wives. One example is William Clayton's matter-of-fact journal entries in which he recorded Joseph performing the plural sealing of Clayton to his wife's sister in 1842, and that woman bearing his child in 1843. So there was no question among plural marriage practitioners in Nauvoo that sexual relations and producing children were part of the plan. Another example is the memoir of Emily Partridge. She told in great detail of her and her sister's plural marriage to Smith in 1843, and of being sealed to Brigham Young after Joseph's death, and bearing his child: "Time went on, and the temple was finished. I received my annointing in the same way and again entered into plural marriage. According to the law of proxy, I became the wife of Brigham Young and received my blessings in the Temple at Nauvoo...While in Nauvoo, I had kept my child a secret, and only a few knew I had one. But after I started on my journey, it became publicly known, and people would stop at our house to see a “spiritual child,” and one told me years after that he was the handsomest child she had ever seen." So, Brigham Young didn't do anything after Joseph's death that Joseph himself wasn't doing. Several of Joseph's "plural widows" were sealed "by proxy" to Brigham, Heber C. Kimball, and other leaders, and that gave those men the "right" to have sex with those women and produce children with them. If Brigham had come up with plural marriage involving sexual relations instead of Joseph, all of those women would have considered the practice to be apostate and sinful, and they certainly would not have trekked 2000 miles into uncivilized territory to voluntarily live in polygamy. They would have left the church and stayed back east as many other polygamy opponents did. So this whole theory that Brigham started polygamy after Joseph's death does not comport with the known facts in any way.

@randyjordan5521 Ай бұрын

" Also there isn’t any DNA evidence connecting children to Joseph and if that’s true then he was a terrible polygamist compared to Young and the rest of them." Whether or not Joseph Smith sired any children by any of his plural wives or not is immaterial to the evidence which proves that he originated and practiced polygamy. Several of his former plural wives testified in court that they had had sex with them. At least two women, who were married at the time, said that they didn't know whether a child of theirs was fathered by Smith or their legal husbands. So obviously, they were having sex with both Smith and their husbands when they became pregnant. In 1905, one of Joseph's former plural wives, Mary Rollins Lightner, was invited to speak at Brigham Young Academy because she was one of the last few living members who had been in the church from its beginnings, and because of her long and close relationship with Joseph Smith. For many years, she had been the Relief Society president in Minersville, Utah. In her remarks, Mary said: "I know he had six wives and I have known some of them from childhood up. I knew he had three children. They told me. I think two are living today but they are not known as his children as they go by other names." In addition, other Nauvoo church members whom Joseph inducted into polygamy in Nauvoo sired children by their plural wives. One example is William Clayton's matter-of-fact journal entries in which he recorded Joseph performing the plural sealing of Clayton to his wife's sister in 1842, and that woman bearing his child in 1843. So there was no question among plural marriage practitioners in Nauvoo that sexual relations and producing children were part of the plan. Another example is the memoir of Emily Partridge. She told in great detail of her and her sister's plural marriage to Smith in 1843, and of being sealed to Brigham Young after Joseph's death, and bearing his child: "Time went on, and the temple was finished. I received my annointing in the same way and again entered into plural marriage. According to the law of proxy, I became the wife of Brigham Young and received my blessings in the Temple at Nauvoo...While in Nauvoo, I had kept my child a secret, and only a few knew I had one. But after I started on my journey, it became publicly known, and people would stop at our house to see a “spiritual child,” and one told me years after that he was the handsomest child she had ever seen." So, Brigham Young didn't do anything after Joseph's death that Joseph himself wasn't doing. Several of Joseph's "plural widows" were sealed "by proxy" to Brigham, Heber C. Kimball, and other leaders, and that gave those men the "right" to have sex with those women and produce children with them. If Brigham had come up with plural marriage involving sexual relations against Joseph's teachings, all of those women would have considered the practice to be apostate and sinful, and they certainly would not have trekked 2000 miles into uncivilized territory to voluntarily live in polygamy. They would have left the church and stayed back east as many other polygamy opponents did. So this whole theory that Brigham started polygamy after Joseph's death does not comport with the known facts in any way.

@dygz Ай бұрын

Bishop Jones grew a beard and got tattoos in a year??!!

@cynthiastrech6760 Ай бұрын

Missing’ Mississippi

@ElbertFish-dj9bz Ай бұрын

Cultch with the $5 offer🤣

@Thebishopsinterview Ай бұрын

Haha

@jaylarsen67 Ай бұрын

So far 40 min in the podcast, all these cracks start appearing is why the cult is jumping on the Jesus band wagon.

@dontstopbelieving24 Ай бұрын

John Dehlin hahahahaha! You guys got duped. Toxic Dude! You guys just need to find the next step on your faith journey. This stuff isn’t going to bring you guys peace. I know it’s really really really hard being a Bishop! But serving others and helping others, getting outside of yourself, is the best chance you have at happiness.

@marquitaarmstrong399 15 күн бұрын

Well if u r so happy why r u here?😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

@marquitaarmstrong399 15 күн бұрын

Bye