Bitcoin: The Future of Money? | Bitcoiner Book Club | EP 186

This episode was recorded on May 13th 2021
In today’s episode, Dr Jordan Peterson sits down with four vocal members of the #Bitcoin community for an introduction to the world of #cryptocurrencies. Together, they cover a variety of topics ranging from the intricacies of Bitcoin, other cryptocurrencies and #blockchain security, to philosophical opinions on the utility of money, ideal economics, and mapping value.
He is joined by John Vallis, host of the Bitcoin Rapid-Fire podcast that brings on the industry's experts to discuss world-changing technology.
Richard James, the creator of the film Hard Money which digs deep into the corrupted nature of what money has become.
Gigi Der, a software engineer who writes code for Bitcoin, and author of 21 Lessons: What I've Learned from Falling Down the Bitcoin Rabbit Hole.
And Robert Breedlove, ex-hedge fund manager, philosopher in the Bitcoin space, and host of The "What is Money?" Show.
For more on today’s guests:
John Vallis’ podcast:
podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...
Richard James’ movie:
www.hardmoneyfilm.com/
Gigi’s book:
21lessons.com/
Robert Breedlove’s podcast:
podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...
The opinions expressed in the video are for general informational purposes only and are not intended to provide specific advice or recommendations for any individual or on any specific security or investment product. It is only intended to provide education about the financial industry.
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[00:00] Introduction
[0:18] Jordan introduces the "Bitcoin Bookclub" group.
[1:30] Gigi introduces himself to the viewers.
[2:10] John Vallis introduction, opening up the discussion to the empowering aspects of Bitcoin individuals who utilize the currency.
[5:00] The concept of taking more responsibility and extreme ownership that John feels Bitcoin pushes you toward.
[9:30] Richard James Introduction. A brief overview of Austrian economics as opposed to Keynesian.
[16:07] Robert Breedlove introduction.
[22:00] Explaining fiat currency. An overview of central banking history in the West. Looking at the gold standard that gave the American dollar an advantage around the world.
[29:00] John’s thoughts on value and external representation.
[31:30] Gigi talks about the technical creation and use of Bitcoin, how the total amount is stable/fixed, and why it’s set up so securely compared to other cryptocurrencies.
[39:00] Jordan speculates the reason that people use the American dollar, Richard James gives his response on "compelled currency".
[46:00] Jordan asks the group to examine the claim of arbitrary inflation in the United States and why it occurs.
[57:00] Visiting the American economic crisis of 2008.
[1:06:30] The group's opinion about Elon Musk's recent evaluation of Bitcoin's longevity.
[1:14:30] The practicality of using Bitcoin in everyday life.
[1:20:30] Exploring the potential criminal element inherent in non-regulated centralized money like Bitcoin.
[1:24:00] Thoughts on distributed sanity and revealing the truth of the world.
Visit www.jordanbpeterson.com to view more information about Jordan, his books, lectures, social media, blog posts, and more.
Jordan B. Peterson is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, a clinical psychologist, and the author of the multi-million copy bestseller 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, #1 for nonfiction in 2018 in the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, the Netherlands, Brazil and Norway, and slated for translation into 50 languages.
Dr. Peterson has appeared on many popular podcasts and shows, including the Joe Rogan Experience, The Rubin Report, and many more. Dr. Peterson’s own podcast has focused mainly on his lecture series, covering a great deal of psychology and historical content.
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Five intelligent well mannered people conducting a high quality conversation. What a contrast to the rantings of most media channels. A great reminder of how life should be conducted! Thanks everyone.

[@theroamingsavage8813]

Unfortunately the ppl who make the tops of hierarchies tend to be sociopathic and egomaniacs as JP has touched on many times, and these are the ppl who we get exposed to the majority of times (media, politics, govt). Intelligent ppl are not bombastic, loud, obnoxious, or encroaching. They are very "live and let live", be responsible, be accountable, etc.. Sad part is in this society, intelligent ppl are looked down on or ignored most of the time and psycopaths get all the attention, hence the most influence and power.

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[@glynsmith60]

What would happen to Bitcoins value or utility if the world governments decided to shutdown the internet either temporarily (months/years) or even permanently...then what? All bitcoin value would be akin to Roy's teardrops in the rain?

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[@glynsmith60]

@@shaulkramer7425 Surely Bitcoin can't function independent of the internet in any way? Forgive my novice understanding of how it works!

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[@Andy-kj5et]

If conversations like this were broadcast on mainstream media, I think the world would be a better place.

[@sprezzatura8755]

The only thing more impressive than Jordan Peterson is this group of highly intelligent and accomplished young men who revere him.

[@johnvannewhouse]

Yup....makes me feel horrible about myself. *sad face emoji*....

[@topdog5252]

@@johnvannewhouse but that means u can improve. You’re not who u could be. 😉😉😉jp shit is gud shit

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[@cunn1n6ham]

Well said

[@YSapphireGroup]

THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST JORDAN! Love them and the philosophical and practical, amazingly enlightening conversation - thanks Jordan, much love to you and thanks to John, Gigi, Richard and Robert in no particular order, you were all amazing! 💙

[@facts4926]

HAHAHHAAHAHAH

[@ramoscruz91]

Jordan Peterson is the best interviewer I've encountered. Man he knows how to cut straight through to first principles and I love it. So tired of so many people beating around the bush and talking past each other because they don't boil things down

[@JakeWitmer]

Love that you said "don't" as opposed to "can't." Bitcoin inherited all the wishful thinking and unseriousness of the Libertarian world before it.

[@ramoscruz91]

@@JakeWitmer Can you elaborate please? And I will say that Cryptocurrency technology is the point of the discussion, not necessarily Bitcoin.

[@jshd6638]

Exactly why him and JRE another are successful at conducting podcast they both have similar temperament in terms of cutting past the point

[@angievii1]

Only video where I've seen this man not knowing "enough" about a subject and still he is open and willing to understand and learn more about bitcoin and crypto. TOTAL FAN OF YOU MR. JP!

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[@judiechamblee9581]

thank god for these men with these brains maybe the world is not so bad after all..looks like we still have real men out there ..real smart men that this world needs...smart women need to have more babies for these kind of real smart men

[@seventhspirit]

that is why I love Jordan B Peterson - he is always eager to learn wnad evolve !

[@boohoo746]

Oh, you should watch his Bible lecture series. He clearly doesn't know "enough" in those lectures either.

[@angievii1]

@@boohoo746 already did! loll

[@cedcob]

If Peterson can master his understanding of Bitcoin's IMPLICATIONS and eloquently describe them to others, the world will be on an even quicker path to meaning, prosperity and freedom.

[@LibertarianRF]

Good point

[@nealorr5086]

or, at least Russian cyber-criminals will be a lot wealthier. I am pretty pessimistic about how long the governments of the world will enable currencies designed to flout their laws to be circulated.

[@serenityssolace]

@@nealorr5086 Yeah, I worry about that. I have them capable of staging ww3 to stop the cryptocurrencies from flouting their laws and power

[@cedcob]

@@nealorr5086 Remember the car enabled bank robberies. No reason to ban cars. Also No one here (in the video) is talking about currencies. We are all Bitcoin Maximalists here and so the conversation will stay with Bitcoin -- we can argue about shitcoins elsewhere if you wish :P Bitcoin's only purpose is to be state resistant. Do you have any idea how EASY it is to create a fixed supply token on a centralized database? The innovation here it's the state resistance. Only via state attack resistance was digital scarcity truly invented.

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@@nealorr5086 it's a legit risk. 👌 They ultimately can't stop it so it will scare the shit out of the government sociopaths

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Wow this podcast was mind blowing. It explained bitcoin better than anything else I've ever heard before. I am so appreciative of Jordan Peterson for Being. These brilliant minds are awesome. Thanks so much to you all.

[@yoshi545825]

I watched this because I am a bitcoiner, but by the end of this I realized how brilliant Jordan Peterson is. He absorbed this information, fantastically well, and the speed of his integration of it all to the rest of reality is stunning.

[@eddyf4426]

Agreed! He is returning to top form and with JP red pilled on BTC, the crypto intelligencia just went up one standard deviation!

[@Josh93B]

Peterson is a master communicator.. I'm curios to see how he can take the more abstract concepts of bitcoin and make them accessible to more people in his own way.

[@rawana1735]

@@zahariachirica5466 The world of DEFI in its current state and Bitcoin as a currency are two separate, different things. Don't conflate the two.

[@yoshi545825]

@@zahariachirica5466 "defi" not bitcoin. No bitcoin was stolen.

[@HiYuhSynthesis]

@@zahariachirica5466 do you understand dex's and the difference between exchanges and private wallets?

[@whaleinvesting3612]

If Jordan gets just a tiny more focused, the lasers will come out of his eyes. I am utterly impressed on how hard he can concentrate, especially considering his medical situation.

[@despoinaire4017]

Recovering from addiction or is there something else?

[@XxzephyrusxX1]

@@despoinaire4017 Chronic depression, long covid etc.

[@despoinaire4017]

@@XxzephyrusxX1 oh thanks

[@henrikstergaard6252]

That dude just have a special way of using his laser fokus to cut out the bull shit and drilling right to the bottom of the most complicated things... It is fascinating to watch him learn and and apply his highly developed analytical skill set. It actually seems like he can help people that has spend years on ondestandig BTC go even deeper, then they knew they could just by asking the right questions. I would argue that Jordan Peterson is as much a first principal thinker of a generations as Elon Musk, Cathy Woods and Micheal Saylor. It would be so interesting to watch Jordan Petorson igange with them and lern from and with them 🤯

[@edstoutenburg3990]

Thirty plus years of College level teaching-and then the Voluminous lectures and Books.All that experience pays off.

[@barnobarriebatsbak1471]

Jordan. You have been so tough full on how you ask questions and provoke them to them. And you see the amount of respect that you get. Not ask. And you got mine too. We are all in it together. And when there are loopholes too big that it undermines the overall productivity and inclusion of others. We let the hope fall that everyone is capable of doing something good for everyone. That needs to be rewarded and if it is not rewarded. The rewarded are too rewarded. Thanx for the effort to all of you. Much love✌️

[@sirzorg5728]

"Sacrifice is insurance against corruption" - holy shit that's deep.

[@factsNcomments-imho]

Whaty does that really mean though. Other than to sound beautiful. You could just say. I like it when people are not corrupt.

[@mikerosoft1009]

@@factsNcomments-imho corruption is usually about greed, shady deals, breaking the rules in order to make more money and have more power. By not doing those things you are sacrificing that money and power for a life of truth and honesty.

[@nattyswede]

@@mikerosoft1009 - Thank you for rephrasing.

[@nathansharp2978]

@@factsNcomments-imho it eludes to the fact that when gold was money theres a cost to produce it so gold value is based on that sacrafice and same with bitcoin and mining it. There is zero effort required to print more fiat currency into the system literally the press of a key at the federal reserves 1 node.

[@kida4313]

Is it?

[@CritterCrew1]

Jordan Peterson + Austrian Economics = two of my favorite things. This is, hands down, the most important podcast episode I've heard this year. So much important information in it.

[@oakeyb]

Wow. I'm impressed by the intelligence of all participants. They were all so eloquent and thoughtful. What a treat it was to observe this discussion.

[@vineeshk.v8091]

The best description I ever got on what is money and how it functions.. absolutely brilliant discussion. Really appreciate JPs appetite to explore the new domains.

[@JettGunther]

Is it weird that despite already knowing all the talking points as I’m a long time Bitcoiner, I watch this anyway because it’s intellectually soothing?

[@liztxori]

Agree.

[@marcdemell5976]

Crypt keeper currency will crash and burn ! If something comes from evil it will always fail.HalleluYAH !

[@fanvalryinc6527]

It confirms your intellectual bias. That is soothing. Love it

[@whitscoggin4405]

introducing his fans to Austrian economics and Mises could be one of the most influential things JP has ever done. This is amazing.

[@xspartan346x]

we will win, brother.

[@sidney8586]

Yesssss!!!

[@MJ-rz7dp]

I’d love to see JP and Ron Paul do a series on liberty

[@btewb]

So damn based. It's HAPPENING.

[@footteatimeofficial7832]

This is a very powerful moment indeed. I first found jp and then bitcoin. I can tell you the leaders of the world are sitting here in the comments section. Kind of incredible how value can compound in time and how something as simple as a KZbin interview can quite literally, through time, change the world. And its quite heart warming that this all blossomed from a place of good. Jordan genuinely cares about people on a level most don't comprehend. Keeps my faith in humanity. Be well everyone.

[@josho7670]

a podcast with Jordan Peterson and Michael Saylor would break the internet

[@StePat67]

The internet is broken. Bitcoin Saylor. Peterson fixes this

[@r3dm3p31]

I would pay to listen to Michael Saylor and Jordan Peterson have a conversation that blends their respective expertise.

[@starchaser28]

@@r3dm3p31 Same here

[@BorisCosier]

Saylor is very repetitive in he's conversations, though Peterson may be the right person to have a conversation with him. *And maybe, he even declined to this meeting*

[@BitcoinAndChess]

...and Nic Carter

[@trachbeba3488]

Oh God, another Sunday, another heavenly JP experience. I feel like a Greek novice philosopher sitting in amphitheatrum listening attentively to Socrates and his disciples.

[@jshd6638]

Amen ❤️

[@ChefBlairSilva]

Dr. Peterson, you are looking very well. So nice to see that! Thank you for coordinating this insightful podcast. This was illuminating and inspiring for me. Sending love and good vibes to all.

[@JWu-jt7fz]

One of the best episodes. Because these 4 guests are students of Dr. Peterson, and they're using his tools to interpret bitcoin. Just amazing

[@JWu-jt7fz]

@E Ardlow Bro I'm Asian and I listen to J. Peterson. Dude there are millions of Asians who know Dr. Peterson

[@JWu-jt7fz]

@E Ardlow why are you so obsessed with race? In my country, the politicians are so obsessed with race as if it's everything that defines you. What is race? When you get burried in the grave, race is nothing, it amounts to nothing of value.

[@maloxi1472]

@E Ardlow I'm black and most of my family and friends (black too) listen to Dr Peterson. Quit your racist bullshit.

[@sunshower4041]

@E Ardlow because if they werent white they wouldnt be white activists. Duuuh. Silly goose.

[@maloxi1472]

@E Ardlow ​ @E Ardlow There not much more to say, Bucko. Despite your tortuous word salads, your racism (and projection) is pretty transparent and uncomplicated.

[@JeanRausis]

For years I've been waiting for you to talk about Bitcoin, you can't imagine how excited I am.

[@AB-yo4ni]

@Marcielo Burzo take your virtue signaling somewhere else.

[@chbrules]

@Marcielo Burzo Pollute more plz!

[@carlomilofitness4923]

🔥

[@AB-yo4ni]

@Marcielo Burzo false but go ahead and miss out. FYI, I'm not actually invested in Bitcoin but rather other projects. I still however understand the intrinsic value of Bitcoin.

[@theinquisitor7191]

Is Bitcoin similar to virtual or digital currency? 🤨

[@TheToms76]

That kind of debates should be “gold standard” how a modern communication and distributing informations would be in the future. Thank you all!

[@JakeWitmer]

This podcast is one of the most productive and all-around awesome things to have ever happened. I love, LOVE, the fact that Peterson is not afraid of engaging with new domains that he is not familiar with. That is perhaps his best quality, and he has a lot of good, benevolent qualities. Very few other thinkers are so open to new ideas, though they all pretend to be. The other people on this podcast are good representatives of their respective ideas, too. Props.

[@jshd6638]

Solid analysis

[@shiftleft]

Wow - easily one of the best podcasts I've seen. I feel there is still so much ground to cover. Great to hear such a natural conversation between 5 people in an online environment. A respectful discussion that is pushing humankind forward, not tearing us down or apart. Bitcoin is going to be a big part of our collective future.

[@Peteristrate]

One of the best JP videos, lately. I've always tried to reconcile philosophy with money, and Austrian economics philosophy lays it out perfectly. We just didn't have an incorruptible way of quantifying value. But, with Bitcoin, now we have.

[@infinite540]

Hands down the most articulated synopsis on understanding bitcoin and the crypto space vs fiat. Bravo 👏

[@stephenburnage7687]

Often wondered when Peterson would get to how corrupt money corrupts society. It is the key to so much of what is wrong in the modern world. This is a huge step.

[@wixskid]

Wow. JP is back, harder and stronger than ever. I can't stress out enough how I appreciate he got involved with Bitcoin. This man wrote the definition of genious

[@islandmarketer]

if you are gonna use that word, you should really spell it right ;) .... i do agree he is that though. ;)

[@jpaugh64]

He didn't write the definition of genius, but he did read it very, very carefully! He spent many years writing his first book, Maps of Meaning, about what it means to be heroic (including how/why we value genius). It's hard to get through, but a really valuable read!

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Wow, who would have thought that listening to four bitcoin experts for 90 minutes would become an engaging insight into philosophy and the meaning of life. Amazing. Thank you.

[@bitcoinshopmiami]

Imagine this would be discussed in school classes. What a mind-blowing discussion!

[@bitcoinshopmiami]

@@ReligionsFakten yes they are. Kids in school are often much smarter than their teachers because they are more curious, less biased an much more internet savvy...

[@CM-fp2gz]

@@ReligionsFakten Where is the school of practical education? I'd attend.

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Nah..lets talk about why Jimmies skin comlex is oppressive instead!!!

[@Sergio_21M]

This, is the 21st centuries school. More freedom of thought than in fiat incentivized schools.

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[@dudleycarl0]

Wow.This was one of the most thought provoking conversations I have seen on Bitcoin to the extent that I feel that this video will become historically significant. Even though I consider myself to be somewhat educated in the world of Cryptocurrency I need to go back and listen a few more times to really give myself the opportunity the chew on some of these ideas and concepts. I sincerely hope Dr. Peterson follows through with the idea of subsequent conversations on this topic. Thank you to everyone that took part.

[@senorrodriguez124]

The moral aspect is mind blowing!!! Awesome

[@samandrastek]

Check out the ‘What is Money?’ podcast hosted by Jordan’s guest Robert Breedlove

[@hellomate639]

Really? I was kind of unimpressed with it. I thought it sounded like a lot of rambling.

[@Sunuxalis]

​@@hellomate639 I agree.Maybe interesting for people new to the Crypto space but all of the topics and arguments that have come up in this discussion have been around in the BTC Community for years.

[@davisboyd6644]

Well said!

[@arantzazubasilo106]

This is quite informative and interesting, getting into bitcoin or any cryptocurrency investment now should be at the top of everyone's bucket list, then see how ecstatic you will be in due time, But will advice you seek professional advice before going into any investment, to avoid loses of funds.

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[@Kyles414]

After hearing this I shared the video with as many people as I could. this was an amazing break down on what the future of money can be. Definitely gonna dive deeper down this rabbit hole.

[@jeremiahm3765]

It's funny to hear Jordan say "So basically you're saying..." 😂😂 Love you bro. Glad to see you doing well.

[@LeethLee1]

He even got his next level humor back!

[@ellischadwick72]

Jordan, you finish by saying “we’ll do this again” can’t wait for that. This is the beginning of a well overdue conversation, another 3hrs of this wouldn’t be too long. Thank you all.

[@josecartin825]

This was the best and most inspiring conversation of the decade! Thanks Jordan and guests!

[@wesleyjohnson9176]

You make some really thought-provoking content Jordan. Please keep it up, and thank you.

[@MariodeSa_Music]

Incredible how Peterson can define BTC so succintly. "An incorruptible language of value".

[@hellomate639]

I think the idea that it's incorruptible is foolish as fuck.

[@carlatashkadeh5890]

@@hellomate639 How so?

[@hellomate639]

@@carlatashkadeh5890 It greatly underestimates the creativity and ingenuity of all of humanity, including the dark side of humanity. It most likely can and will be exploited in some way by some people.

[@hellomate639]

@@carlatashkadeh5890 Maybe a mob boss will pay a hitman with "an incorruptible language of value" to splatter someone's brains all over the inside of a car.

[@hellomate639]

@@carlatashkadeh5890 Don't underestimate the devils of the world if you want to beat them.

[@oskarsolberg2158]

This was THE best, most eye-opening, podcast I've ever watched. Jordan did an incredible job keeping an open mind and actually trying to understand Bitcoin at its deepest level. Can't wait for the next one!

[@jamesreynolds8669]

Actually he is breaking it down simply. So that we understand. :)

[@AutitsicDysexlia]

Thank you for bringing these voices to me. @ 12min when Breedlove was talking, I realized "These are my people." I felt sane, and somehow heard by listening to them.

[@frederickmatthews6533]

Your feeling is confirmation bias. Feels good doesn't it? Beware.

[@denverado5594]

Super high density (you need to watch this many times) of so much value (it’s worth watching many times).

[@MusicFan1977]

Jordan Peterson meets Bitcoin is exciting. The only thing better would be Jordan Peterson meets Austrian economics, and that sounds like it's coming soon!

[@peiershen8221]

Too bad Keynsian Economics still rules this world. The biggest risk factor to bitcoin/crypto right now is still CBDC. Unless crypto replaces CBDC as currency it's very hard to see it's uitility as a asset class, since the raise and fall of prices closely reflect the strengthening and weakening of the dollar index rather than an inflation hedge asset like precious metal of commodities.

[@r-e1862]

Bob Murphy hinted Peterson and him is coming

[@duncanw9901]

@@peiershen8221 I can see literally zero reasons why anyone would ever want to use a CBDC. I just don't see them competing at all with crypto where the market is fair (i.e. excepting the digital Yuan).

[@caralho5237]

@@peiershen8221 with the current inflation levels you either transition to bitcoin or lose a big chunk of your money

[@nickseay6534]

@@peiershen8221 It would be the exact same battle. CBDCs are dead on arrival in my opinion. A central bank has no incentive to put utilize any features of crypto that people value, and every incentive to create something that only benefits the central bank and the state. You'll end up with something easy to see, easy for them to access, and easy to inflate with the only limitation being how fast they can type zeros.

[@F5T3F4N0]

Amazing crossover, love it! Want JBP and Michael Saylor next 😁

[@pagexx]

Exactly what I'm thinking. Especially since they didn't give a satisfactory answer regarding the power consumption issue

[@AV-xv3ln]

That would be a top 10 anime crossovers 👍

[@JJV83]

Ludwig Von Mises and Ron Paul would be proud 😁 Excellent analysis of economics (Kensyian vs. Austrian) and the emergence of cryptocurrencies.

[@Dennis-xj8nh]

Ron Paul is still alive 😅

[@sichengpeng1275]

What really impressed me is that each individual held their own voice very well. Great podcast - you can tell that everyone is learning and THINKING together. This is a great example that the sum can be greater than the whole.

[@adamthomas8069]

Yes, but all the components have to be compatible, the people AND the stage. Very rare.

[@justinmoody4]

This is perfection. Sometimes the powers that be bring together the right people, at the right time, and educate each other and everyone that listens. The longer you are in Bitcoin the more you realize that it is the perfect fit in our world.

[@bolaolatunji576]

This was so informative! They boiled down concepts to the bare bones and expressed them so honestly. Such an intellectually stimulating conversation. I’m glad JP put this together. Much love you everyone who spoke and who’s reading this❤️

[@WhenAphroditeSpeaks]

Wow! Fascinating. I came here to learn about Bitcoin as I don’t understand much about it. I am blown away by the intelligence of these men. I had to stop and rewind many times in certain places to have a better comprehension on the subject! Love it! Thank you ♥️ This concept is so profound.

[@lmc1103]

Thank you for this Jordan. The only thing I would say is that that episode featured 4/4 pro-bitcoin activists expressing their opinions on bitcoin. I would really like the next episode to have half the panel be bitcoin sceptics and hear from them, only to balance things out and have more perspective. This discussion was unilateral with no counter objections on the general idea of bitcoin. Thank you!

[@powertothepeople3832]

Or maybe get a bunch of central banking monopolists together singing praises of our current system.

[@chequemate]

@@powertothepeople3832 bitcoin is rigged against those who are late to buying in to it though?

[@powertothepeople3832]

@@chequemate so is the real estate market. If you look at BTC as a store of value that beats inflation in the long run then everybody still win.

[@joas162]

I think Jordan did play advocate of the devil at times, so I don't agree that it was a one sided conversation. I do think it would be interesting to listen to a conversation with someone that has well thought-out arguments against Bitcoin.

[@rachelflaat3817]

@@chequemate If it outperforms any other asset class you could invest in, how could it be rigged against you? There will always be someone with more net worth than you, unless you invent the next Tesla or Amazon.

[@AG-io5wr]

I learned a lot from this. And enjoyed the connection made between economics and morality. Thank you.

[@HR-yd5ib]

Look up "Peter Schiff Mortgage banker speech" .. worth the time!

[@szogun1987]

Interesting fact: Adam Smith, father of the economics, was profesor of ethics.

[@Windowlesswhitevan]

Bitcoin makes it more profitable to behave and be fair, than to attack the system. that's really all you need to know

[@victorjozwicki8179]

@@Windowlesswhitevan Ah yes, the fair scammers, I forgot them

[@VictorGyo]

@@victorjozwicki8179 You're thinking of eth. Bitcoin is the hardest money to ever exist and can't really be compared to shitcoins

[@Alexamdern]

Im highly impressed. Went into this not liking conversations about Bitcoin particularly, but the level of knowledge about topics in economics really was above my expectations.

[@kb-wu7ws]

99% of the talk about bitcoin, is noise. 99% people don't understand bitcoin, so you must be careful who you give credit to. I promise you, the overwhelming majority of those who ACTUALLY understand bitcoin, are "all-in." The thing is, many bitcoiners are quiet, private types of folk. Look at Gigi ffs, he always wears a green suit. But anyways, point is, if you look hard enough, you'll find the people who actually know what they're talking about. Once you really tune in on the signal, you realize 99% what people say about bitcoin has been debunked a thousand times over, and is still parroted, non stop for years. "History shows that it is not possible to insulate yourself from the consequences of others holding money that is harder than yours."

[@royinafrica]

Watch the 'Booth Series' w/ Robert Breedlove. You'll love it.

[@randomz8065]

I'm afraid you haven't been listening to good conversations about bitcoin and i think you still don't understand what bitcoin really is.

[@marcdemell5976]

Hook ,line and sinker ,they got ya . Crypt keeper currency is an evil plan to monitor and control .

[@northernhemisphere4906]

do you think bitcoin will be a flop?

[@ogoid1990]

Just wanted to say that i apreciate you very much and am a big fan Mr Peterson. I hope everything is well with you and yours! You are a blessing in disguise to the world ❤️

[@tenno1981]

Your discussion group generated some value here by means of collective wisdom Jordan being the counterbalance sage to the enthusiasm of the youth. And also a methodological 'prosecutor'. Together you rock as a super entity.

[@jasonschwier4473]

"It enriches you to dig in to whatever gifts you have and give back to the whole picture." Beautifully said and true

[@NathanWCarlson]

That part resonated with me as well. It reminded me of spiritual truths experienced and described in the Christian faith. I would think of that as a non spiritual way a person could describe what happens to them when they are “saved” and come to know Jesus as their Lord and Savior. When the one that is saved is enriched by learning they are loved unconditionally by and infinitely worthy God, that you are made in his image and are an image bearer and are endowed with gifts that you are called to use to reflect God’s character to the community in which we live.

[@tommyt1785]

I love Jordan Peterson's interviewing style. He says: 'this is what I believe, tell me why I'm wrong' We would all learn so much more if we conversed like this.

[@Simsim59250]

I noticed that too. You can disagree with him but he doesn't deserve all the hate.

[@KingOfFvckingEverything]

Imagine if all the radical left interviewers, especially angry females, could just interview like this. Would raise t(e bar of today’s journalism by a lot. Hear people out instead of going on attack model which has been so clear in the past from everyone who’s anti JP. Who somehow get offended by everything he says. It just sounds ridiculous and immature when any person acts like all the tools have done that we’ve seen interviewing Mr Peterson. THIS is how people should question others theories. Let us make up our minds instead, the listener.We’ve become dumbed down by the media but should always question what we hear. Listen carefully of what’s being said and think it through ours keeps, only then are we close to form our own opinions. 95% of “opinions” or more, are just misinformation, learnt from corrupt media, marxists universities etc.

[@DiegoAlonsoOM]

Amazing conversation! Even greater because I got in into Crypto almost at the same time I got into Jordan Peterson's lectures on KZbin and later with his books. Loved it

[@Graciasportodomessi]

I first listened to the audio Podcast version of this episode and now I came back to the video version, after the meeting with the legendary Saifedean Ammous that Jordan recently had. Having JBP as a member of the Bitcoin community is EXTREMELY important. His contribution to the orange-pilling of his massive audience will be paramount.

[@joeberg5248]

This is the JP video I didn’t know that I needed. 10/10

[@TheWhiteFaction]

This needed to be at least 10 hours. We're just scraping the surface and we deserve more !

[@AKracecars]

We definitely don’t deserve more.. but we would definitely ‘like’ more! We should be paying 1,000s of dollars for this awesome content

[@kaniel_outis1]

@@AKracecars 100%...the fact Jordan makes so much free and hasn’t turned into a tony robbins is incredible

[@PresencePioneer]

@@AKracecars or paying 1,000s of bitcoin?

[@MoreLamp]

Besides that. Jordan Peterson is a guarantee that the content of the video is always interesting, very well versed, amazingly intelligent put together and highly educational !! 5 stars video !!!

[@toolegit2quit173]

Encore! Encore! It’s been 2 months Jordan, it’s high time to get these four back on for a further deep dive!

[@El_Cid-40]

This is a who's-who roundtable of intellectual titans. Quality discussions like this are extremely rare

[@atlasfeynman1039]

If you mean that one is a "Who" and the rest are "who?" then sure.

[@dondraper2344]

@@atlasfeynman1039 I assume you mean JP is the only "who" while the rest are just nobodies? If that's the case, why are you so quick to discredit other peoples accomplishments just because you haven't heard of them? That seems very arrogant and pretentious of you, everybody in that conversation had valuable insight to offer and spoke from places of experience, knowledge and success. Can you do any better??

[@atlasfeynman1039]

@@dondraper2344 They're snake oil salesmen talking about bitcoin. Investing in bitcoin is not an accomplishment. Bitcoin is a videogame currency that started as an experiment. It is nothing more than a digital pyramid scheme that depends upon the gullibility of people at the bottom. The only people who praise its validity are investors trying to sell you in.

[@rrobb47]

@@atlasfeynman1039 Good luck...

[@atlasfeynman1039]

@@rrobb47 And to you... especially if you're considering investing 70k into one bitcoin.

[@BitcoinDad]

Each new Peterson's podcast raises my intellectual bar. It's just incredible

[@DogOneIsOpen]

This is one of the the most important conversations that we should have right now. The realization that the mainstream media refuses to tackle this subject should deeply disturb us.

[@istraziota]

Excellent discussion. Being quite ignorant about Economy in general, it is the closest I have come to understanding the meaning and significance of Bitcoin vs. present way of conducting economy. The participants complement each other beautifully with each different point of view and JP makes an intelligent and comprehensive synthesis of the contents discussed. Congratulations

[@oregondude9411]

Thank you for your books Mr. Peterson. No other book or author has had such a positive impact on my life. And it doesn't even require me to do anything. Just your words and how you put them together inspires and motivates me to "aim up". My biggest takeaway from your lessons is: a 0.1% improvement in your life is better than nothing. And, what else do I have going on besides MY LIFE. Thank you Thank you thank you!! ❤

[@harrisonswift1416]

PETER SCHIFF NEEDS TO SPEAK TO JORDAN PETERSON

[@Phoenix-Brah]

Good luck on your journey Aaron!

[@sussuhimself]

Jordan Peterson talking about bitcoin? My life is complete

[@JeanRausis]

Been waiting for it for ever.

[@HeyShaded]

Silver is the future of money though.

[@ReptilianAnusWizzard]

@@HeyShaded how is a age old Metall the futur?

[@gustavo21.21]

@@hauntedhose if you think Jordan Peterson and Bitcoin are simple, than yes

[@timmagaling]

Here I am a 19 year old, nodding with these 4 highly competent, successful men while Dr. Jordan speaks his ideas.

[@ansmfella]

Fantastic discussion! Thank you for sharing. Will love more discussions like this in the future. Much gratitude and bless 🙏

[@bujin5455]

This is the conversation I have been waiting for, and it did not disappoint! Well done! ...looking forward to JP's reflections on all of this.

[@shinequashie393]

Robert Breedlove is on a whole other level

[@kc_cobra]

I love that you can hold a serious conversation with a seasoned professor, 3 serious looking guys & a floating head. Long live the internet.

[@davidorozco24]

What a great conversation, good points were given and Jordan’s skepticism to certain things said was great. All answers were explained well by each individual. 👏

[@withwilk7473]

I'm only 10 minutes in, but thank you! Thank you Jordan for facilitating these kinds of discussions. Especially around a polarised topic such as cryptocurrencies. The media & social media have kind of blurred the public opinion of this asset, it's nice to cut through the noise.

[@olafbooij6849]

This is what I expected for so long, the fact that bitcoin reflected jordans work, but I never put it in these words. I think I will have to take a week and listen again. It's so significant.

[@mart7379]

Brilliant! Loving watching Jordan’s journey down the rabbit hole

[@yourpersonalmythology]

This is the best discussion I've seen about Bitcoin. Thank you so much.

[@LaneMichaelMusic]

Jordan, this was the most interesting conversation I've heard this year. Thank you all

[@MTD4dz]

The Saylor Series with Robert Breedlove and Michael Saylor is one of the best things I've watched. It's on par with Jordan Petersons biblical lectures.

[@louisspilman696]

Amazing content, but is this all there is to it trading. I just started

[@kingsleygrey9883]

I'm surprised you're also familiar with Ms Cortez

[@lilianbach2387]

In terms of the consistent results I get each week from dealing with Catherine Cortez I am absolutely convinced that her patterns are the best and I will speak to her to anyone interested in trading.

[@gerardnewman4162]

I wanted to trade but got confused by the fluctuations in price

[@bradleylino8363]

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[@lizzyjohnson2852]

I'm new at this and i have heard a lot about her and her trading exploits, how can i reach her?

[@janetjack5874]

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[@johnsammy7481]

You're right ma,

[@johnsammy7481]

That is why I had to start forex trading 2months ago and now am making benefits from it.

[@johnsammy7481]

Thanks for introducing me to Mrs Dean Kirsty.

[@johnsammy7481]

My first inv... with Mrs Dean Kirsty gave me profit

[@johnsammy7481]

and I can even say she's the most sincere broker I have known.

[@mradamstp]

The conversation and information I didn’t know I wanted and needed to hear…. Thank you!

[@Holycurative9610]

It's not very often I'm at a loss for words but I find Jordan Peterson fascinating to listen to on any subject. The talent in this video was also just superb and a welcome change from the rants we hear from some youtubers on a daily basis..

[@mcbrandon7]

5 eloquent experts explaining to one of the most important figures of our time about a new system of ‘money’ and how it intrinsically ties to morality . This could be looked back on as one of the most important transitional conversations in digital history, which rests on Jordan’s level of future adoption 🤞

[@joeboughan7098]

Love this JP shows how much breadth he has in this podcast. Very interesting!

[@tteot1wph]

What an incredible crossover!

[@harrisonswift1416]

PETER SCHIFF NEEDS TO SPEAK TO JORDAN PETERSON

[@notanotherguitarchannel]

I'm glad to see JBP talk to these guys because I want to see his vast audience get acquainted with Austrian Economics.

[@hellomate639]

I already hate the Austrian School just from what I'm hearing. I actually really didn't like this conversation. To me it felt more like ramblings than real explanations of things. It sounded murky rather than clear..

[@Squillholland]

After the podcast I listened to videos regarding Austrian economics, pretty interesting

[@hellomate639]

@@Squillholland To me, referring to it constantly as the "Austrian School" is really more of an attempt to give fiscal conservatism cachet over other economic philosophies. It's the way they're mesmerized by this particular economic theory that drives a little nuts. There are other economic theories. I don't think value is determined by the individual, as the Austrian school appears to posit, but rather that it is *measured* by the individual - and this is a key difference. I actually think there is an absolute utilitarian value in everything at the *most* fundamental level. It's just that it's impossible to measure this accurately. And, I can see this fallacy in their own thinking, describing sacrifice AS value rather than recognizing that sacrifice is an individual MEASUREMENT of value. The big confusion in that is that someone could love doing something that almost everyone hates, and that person would produce a LOT of value by doing what they love. There's no sacrifice in this scenario - only the creation of abundance. This is the secret that will one day liberate us all, but no one has figured it out yet. I think this conflation with value and measurement of value is exactly why they believe crypto is valuable when it fundamentally is not.

[@Squillholland]

@@hellomate639 you are welcome to your opinion

[@dayelu6028]

@@hellomate639 No of course the price, to put in a more accurate way, is not determined by individuals, but a projection of a collective consciousness, a dance between the seller and buyer; it's the same as if many same individuals determine the value. Also, "utilitarian" and "inherent" is fundamentally conflicting with each other since utilitarian implies subjectively, and inherent implies objectivity. Value only exists at subjective level. If a depressed person committed suicide it's because he's value system is highly diverged from our common value system. Only money, a projection or of value is objective. Regarding people will love what they do, have you ever heard of people hate their hobby when it becomes their job? The cognitive science suggested that external motivation would corrupt your love for things. A most famous story goes by like this: an old man lives in a quiet country side, but one day a bunch of kids play around his house, break his quietness. Days go by, but it seems that this is a great place to play and they won't go away. So he had an idea. He calls these kids around, and tell them to play here more because he miss his grandsons, and would give them money for that everyday. Kids of course are very happy about that. So they would come here every day, and old man would give them money in the afternoon. After a week, he stopped give them money. Of course you know what happened next, the kids goes "we won't play at your place for your enjoyment ever again!" Economics and finance are fascinating because they seem rational, objective, individual in our experience, but there's also a huge component of irrational, subjective, and collective levels at play.

[@DrProgNerd]

I'm amazed at the depth of thought here. I've recently been exposed to Rothbard and subsequently Ludwig Von Mises - so when Austrian Economics was mentioned my ears immediately pricked up. I've read Atlas Shrugged a number of times and I've always loved Francisco d'Anconia's speech about money - particularly the line "Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value." When I learned about fiat currency, I couldn't understand how any honest person could think it was a good idea. It seems like a contradiction to the basic principal that gives money its value. Then Ayn Rand came back to me "Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think that you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong." Incredible podcast. I'm going to start it over and watch it again.

[@cacurazi]

It's not easy to interview four guys at the same time.. except only if you have the pedagogical talent of JP... Great interview! Thanks

[@firehorse_44alpha-omega]

This is the kind of cognitive conversation that gives one hope for the future....

[@Phedrus4Quality]

Yes, lots of cognitive biases present in this discussion.

[@firehorse_44alpha-omega]

@@Phedrus4Quality its a conversation with people sharing experiences.... Why criticize this sharing ?

[@elspethleahy6066]

This discussion has piqued my interest in bitcoin. I really hope this group will meet again. I have so many questions, like how bitcoin will impact governments, domestic and foreign. Thank you for this amazing conversation.

[@markian3582]

MY portfolio has good companies, however was red all through last year. My first year of investing and have been down 35% in the March/April sell off, and now down 17% in the last sell off. I work hard for my money, so investing is making me a nervous sad reck. I don't know if I should sell everything and just sit and wait.

[@anneliesegeorge1130]

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[@martingilbert7642]

I've been trying to hire a professional after all it's what really wealthy people do, they hire more experienced persons to do the job but l can't find anyone l can trust.

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