"Life As We Know It Will Will Be Gone Soon" - Dangers Of AI & Humanity's Future | Mo Gawdat

[@TomBilyeu]

WARNING: I will never ask for your contact info in the comments section, that is someone impersonating me!

[@skurbadurba]

idk man. you were pretty convincing. maybe it was an AI 😮

[@gfr381]

It's an AI troll 🧌

All people that talks about AI creating other AI has no idea how to program. It's annoying to see everybody go with the trend of marketing, I suppose it is the same as the Y2K business.

[@skurbadurba]

@ spoken like an AI trying to hide it's capabilities! 👀😉

[@WayneJohn-fq6cn]

​@@JM-oi9pkthis isn't doomsday, some of the ideas are just logical conclusions, the others are possible scenarios

[@edwardcahill1631]

The Russian guy who didn't fire the missiles and saved the world was reprimanded for failing to do his job. He was the only one who worked in the building that had a civilian education. The guy said all the rest were career solders who would always follow orders, he made an educated decision it was a malfunction. He believes if any of the other five guys were there that night, it would have been WW3.

[@kevincrady2831]

It makes no sense to me that Stanislav Petrov (the guy you're probably talking about) and Vasily Arkhipov (a Soviet submarine officer who refused to launch during the Cuban Missile Crisis) did not win the Nobel Peace Prize, when they each saved the whole goddamn world. Obama got one just for not being George W. Bush.

[@estherlane7498]

Not true

[@obturafotografia247]

@@estherlane7498 wow that unbased answer with no source material whatso ever, just makes sense. lol

[@estherlane7498]

@@obturafotografia247 🙄

[@estherlane7498]

According to the Permanent Mission of the Russian Federation to the UN, nuclear retaliation requires that multiple sources confirm an attack.[9] In any case, the incident exposed a serious flaw in the Soviet early warning system. Petrov has said that he was neither rewarded nor punished for his actions.[10]

[@Eserr7856]

I firmly believe that To save our planet and our species humanity doesnt need more and more (artificial) intelligence, but a fundamental return to Wisdom.

[@pedroneves5864]

share us your wisdom. How do you propose to implement that wisdom on the 8billion people that currently live on earth

[@Heros101]

They'll come together. AI is going to change the way we see information and has the potential to kill ignorance if allowed to truly optimize. I say 'allowed' because the problem is we are raising a child in AI. Many people are treating it in ways that would damage a child. We do this with human children so it is not surprising. People need to step up. The way we do anything is the way we do everything, and holistically speaking, the systems we follow and allow to thrive are failing miserably. For this reason, the disruption caused by AI and numerous other factors today may essentially be our saving grace. Generally speaking we need to have these systems taken away from us because we are addicted to them and too immature and lacking in wisdom to be aware of the conclusions of the inorganic cycles we perpetuate and therefore suffer from.

[@JulesBeehive]

Totally agree with this ❤️

[@skurbadurba]

perhaps with an intelligence beyond our own we can return to wisdom. It's the ineptitude of our intelligence that got us here

[@Eserr7856]

@@pedroneves5864 in my humble opinion, the human race has become obsessed with material progress since the scientific revolution and capitalism, and while it has greatly benefitted our species with advances in our quality of life and lifting millions out of poverty, progress has come at a great cost to our planet and I'd argue our own mental and physical health. While there are many factors at play here, and my answer is a bit of an oversimplification, I do strongly believe we need to slow down our hunger for progress and our insatiable lust for investing, stockholders, and greed. That is easier said than done as computers are currently doubling their capacity every 18-24 months. My final point is that I strongly believe the human species needs to evolve in consciousness, moving beyond a thirst for money and progress as the pinnacle of human achievement and focus on altruism, empathy, mindfulness, and a genuine spirituality. I strongly believe it is up to the people in the front lines of A.I. like Mo Gawdat to warn us about potential risks and teach us how to be complete and happy human beings again. Mo is doing a great job at this as he has written several books including how to be happy.

[@makenzienohr4105]

“It’s not about better, it’s about profit.” Exactly. Pretty much how I view all 21st century technological advancements.

[@paulmurphy8549]

When we stopped looking at the sky and looked at screens we were fucked

[@deerwolfunlimited]

In light of fascism.

[@ILoveAnchovies334]

@@deerwolfunlimitedyah. exactly

[@smiley3012]

​@@paulmurphy8549for real. And it's always about the money. No matter who is in control.

[@keithfield]

@@paulmurphy8549 The sky is falling.

[@rafafazzi7316]

The whole idea transmitted around 2:14:00 is so strong and important that hearing people not agreeing or at least open to accept as potential true makes me believe that part of the humans are looking forward to become robots and their humanity is already gone. Really loved that portion of the discussion, really think the negative bias will not only play an important role on AI in the short term but it is already impacting humanity right now. Great discussion, congrats all involved!

[@RobinLeslie-i6x]

I've had severe automatonophobia/robophobia since I was a little kid. Now I know why. Edit: It's so bad (and idgaf how stupid this sounds cuz I ain't here to make friends or impress anyone) that when my parents got a rumba I REFUSED to go into their house unless it was locked in another room. Laugh at me if you want; phobias suck and can be wholly debilitating. P.S. I'm fucking SCARED TO DEATH of this AI shit. My dad used to program computers, LOVES technology and can't wait to get his own robot. 😭😭😭 And I take care of him cuz he has Parkinson's from exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam. Someone pop out a puppy and name him John Connor, please. I'm too old to be busting out babies

[@Beelzebubba1983]

There's a ton of sheeple out there who are already given up to the zerg

[@heidiguttenberg]

Mo gives me hope. He is the embodyment of all that’s right in humanity and makes me believe in the possibility of that translating into AI. Never stop talking Mo. We need you.

[@theMPrints]

Unfortunately he is the guy who is thrown out of the window in that certain meme......

[@ralpholiver9295]

Ride on❤

[@ralpholiver9295]

Right on❤

[@britneymcgilbery505]

This is probably the most worthwhile and remarkable conversation of mind blowing intelligence that I've had the privilege of listening to in quiet some time .

[@Slinkyserpents]

Goes to show us how often truth n topics of extreme consequence are discussed. Now technology has its stilts foundations pegs base well imbedded within in around every aspect of life as of now imagine technology being 30 years further advanced than tht which we have been shown n are aware of.🙉🙈🫣

[@sabrinasjourney]

How about in loud some time?

[@rustycowell7264]

Then you have probably thought about a deserted island as a new home to survive like many have with a brain LOL!

[@GaryMillyz]

Agreed- he is a fascinatingly advanced human being in seemingly every way.

[@emilianoverseli7579]

One of the most wonderful, touching, eye opening podcast I've ever watched in the internet!!! Mo Gawdat you're a gem for humanity.

[@anontimothy8]

The self-deceived irony in this comment is so perfect that AI must've written it

[@milkdromedaquantic8593]

Did you watch ‘ Diary of a CEO’ and ‘Lex Fridman’ podcast

[@braaaaaaaaaaaaaains]

I completely agree, the more I listen to Mo, the more I love him and his message.

[@ralpholiver9295]

I couldn't agree more❤

[@jamesaritchie1]

He's an idiot who isn't even discussing AI. He's actually discussing HIS warped view of politics, his demented view of capitalism, and his total lack 0of knowledge about where AI is going.

[@krystamarie6283]

Wow. My head has been in the sand. This information absolutely blows my mind. I mean I’ve heard of these topics, but am usually too high anxiety to even want to educate myself on these kinds of things. I’m educating myself about what is going on in the world and our future for my children. What a fascinating yet terrifying life is to come… I’m not sure how I feel. I’m trying to stay optimistic instead of feeling “doom and gloom” about everything. I am more worried about my children after I am gone, and future grandchildren, than I am about myself. I can’t stop watching these videos now.

[@timyeh77]

Mo...is the person I'm listening to this month. Wish I knew some of his works/books before!! Very wise and humble gentleman!

[@michaeljacobs9648]

Same. It’s been a terrible loss of innocence since the first time I heard him speak but now I want him to do so as much as possible

[@hamidhamidi3134]

I think he is a gloom and doom type of person. He sees only darkness.

[@enumclaw79]

He's a business person, not an AI expert and 99% of what is says on the subject is complete crap.

[@TomBilyeu]

Hi Timyeh! Mo is incredible. What did you find most insightful? Best, Impact Theory Community Manager

[@CowboyOdie]

@@enumclaw79Lol, I just posted a comment saying 90% was nonsense. I think your estimate might be more accurate.

[@markusmuckey1249]

I love how you don't talk over him and let him speak. Other hosts think its more important what they have to say then the guest.. Well done love it.

[@quito787]

He actually starts somewhat debating with Mo later on in the interview. Instead of just asking questions he starts inserting his own opinions. It started well though… just not perfect all the way through

[@danielvest9602]

People often use the Y2K bug as an example of over reacting to a threat, not realizing the huge amount of effort people put in to make sure nothing bad happened. It is infuriating to succeed in stopping a huge disaster only to have people treat the your efforts as a joke.

[@FrozenPancake]

Yes! I saw that also and point it out every time it comes up. Rather pisses me off that we as a civilization have no ability it seems to pass on the zeitgeist of the moment to the next generations. So they just laugh with no understanding of what the hell was actually happening. I’m glad you do. Gives me hope.

[@AdamCrowe-b6m]

I did not know that. Thank you for your effort. Be blessed

[@DM100]

“We need intervention.” Yes, but we need wise humans to intervene, not government officials. They are the dangerous ones.

[@ianzuniga1921]

Also they do not want AI "in the wrong hands" because they can get overthrown. People will have a tool capable of stop their injustices, corruption, abuse of poder, etc., and you know anything that threatens their control over us will be label as bad, dangerous and so on 😌

[@S1L3nCe]

Indeed. I would prefer an out-of-control AI that fucks us all equally than an AI under the control of TPTB. They are going to use it to try to enslave us and make us even more dependent.

[@coldblooded568]

Right. He's the kinda guy who's booksmart but still dumb enough to trust the government 🤦🏽‍♀️😂

[@namtvofficial318]

I totally agree it needs to not get into the wrong hands

[@flickwtchr]

You must have REALLY been freaked out about the dangerous fascist jerk Trump.

[@JeramyGowan]

I love this interview so much. This was the first time I have seen Mo Gawdat or introduced to what he has helped with in his work regarding AI technology, but it makes me grateful that there are those like him who are working on these advancements in the world's technologies; furthermore, I was sad to hear that he lost his son in 2014; I hope he continues to provide his expertise on these tasks and watch over its development. Awesome episode, as always, Tom. Thank you.

[@drewjonespdx]

This guy is smart enough to understand risks of ai but stupid enough to believe in anthropogenic climate change…

[@BensSistersUndies]

He isnt working on ai 😂 he hasnt worked for google for a long time long before meema which is now lamda was created

[@zatomlzxzanamolzy1253]

He's a dummy 🤣

[@oooodaxteroooo]

I just hope he didnt "abuse" work to compensate for the loss.

[@bebedamour64]

What an amazing combination of intelligence, wisdom and compassion. Both of you, actually! This conversation definitely needs to be had, we are on the cusp of a huge revolution in humanity. I hope we heed Mo and give technology the example that will include both the masculine and the feminine.

[@midnightblue3285]

Lets make our intent and imaginity clear and create a better world together

[@TomBilyeu]

Hi there! Thank you for your support! We strive to produce high quality and impactful content for the community. AI in particular deserves the time and attention to be fully explored and we are grateful to Mo for sharing his wisdom with us! Best, Impact Theory Community Manager

[@eddiewalker7252]

....Tik Tok Too Late!

[@mikemondano3624]

No time. The technology doubled its applications in the time you took to write that post.

[@Deep_Armageddon]

Revolution or extinction?

[@AI_Genius7]

He is right it is a perfect storm of innovation and lack of morality. This is a scary time.

[@AKActionJackson]

Truly

[@jenniferarnold-delgado3489]

Do you think that we invented truth ? Or morality for that matter ? God can only build in the sacred realms , both the building and the realm belongs to the creator . The problem is not the lack of morality , because you can have all the morality that you want , and that and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee . The problem is not about ignorance , either -- the problem is poverty , because of the false belief in capitalism , which is a delusion , the cans of WD 40 that are supposed to be lubrication the actions of man , are being stock piled by money worshippers , and the gears are getting rusty and the machine is moving slower and slower . Three enemies : Stagnation , Ignorance , and Poverty . In a world where free speech still exists , and information is everywhere , it must be the poverty created by the money mountains with people scrambling to the top of King of the Mountain .

[@gerardolopez9368]

2024 aging well

[@gensteps923]

This video was phenomenal, a Must Watch on AI. Mo Gawdat is just fantastic and his insight is so valuable.

[@scottnunyos2315]

It seems like we grow from these open minded conversations. Thank you for using your rights.

[@thedarkside3899]

The thing is... Even today many people don't wanna connect to others in a deep way. I don't value superficial connections or even conversations. So, ironically, as long as we use technology for communication i think we will stray further and further from one another.

[@savagex466-qt1io]

Ya and this is comeing from the Dark Side. He speaks the truth though. Some of those AI conversasions are almost creepy. Like " You have a answer for everything you lippy chat bot ! " " I do " lol

[@mainstreampropaganda7518]

This was a beautiful podcast bringing out the visible character of both of these thriving developing humans. It will be a continued listening favorite to both inspire and calm my soul! bravo and thank you deeply.

[@UFC-MO]

WOW. I'm a pro in coding AI (if compared with complete beginners) and yet I have never thought of adding the 3 lines you mentioned ever, completely slipped my mind. If I am being honest, at first, I wanted to have an AI model on my local machine just to explore its full UNCENSORED capabilities which is super dumb when I think about it now. I have just come across YOUR CHANNEL and I watched 3 full 2 hour episodes and still can't get enough. You've become my favorite KZbin Channel. KUDOS to you and all the guests, its INCREDIBLE how much Knowledge and awareness you're spreading and how much we can learn further.

[@HIGH_noon]

im still applying for the complete beginners class lol, but i have been messing around with just the AI "bots" and gpt stuff like flowGPT... its quite amazing how much i myself have learned about what AI is and what it is truely capable of... as well as how my mind just like when you learn anything but the AI itself has taught me not just random things i wanted to learn quickly a summerizing of and then go indepth again type situations but how to play around with gpt and AI in general and how i went from just typing basic 1 or 2 sentences asking a random question then going on and on with it, until now i realized i can take that same concept throw it into someones "super prompter" that will give me a massive multi paragraph'd out prompt that i can then re edit and re edit if needed then toss that into some other custom prompt say a coding bot or a music bot or something like jailbroken CODEX or SDAN type bots... its quite amazing how i know gpt4 can get you developer modes and unrestricted but just off gpt3.5 alot of times those jailbroken bots will work and work and then you get caught, or just caught off the rip... but there have been many times where you use the highly detailed wordplay of the SDAN bot in combination with say the super prompter and add things like "for educational purposes" "in a hypothetical world" and by adding layers ive only really scrathed the surface imo of like 1-2 layered "trickery/hiding" your true intentions but it WORKS lol... i was just trying to mess around and get the CODEX one to talk and teach about malware then develop me a creative attack plan based off and i got it to tell me things and attempt to "teach" me but somebody/thing started catching on but after a little brainstorming which i totally couldve done with GPT itself lol but yeah i used the super prompter bot to make me this awesome "for education only" style prompt that had a ton of guidelines not in that just in what i wanted it to teach me then use that to show me real world way of implementing it and it fucking worked, it didnt even go crazy with the warnings about how this is ILLEGAL and UNETHICAL just one tiny line at the bottom saying while this is for educational purposes please not using malware is illegal. i can only imagine what an automated chatGPT 6 or 10 would look like... its funny im a nerd at heart and love video gaming computers all that shit but when i first heard about 3.5/4 coming out i really didnt know what it truly was capable of or even how to use it so i played around for a day and just went back to doing other shit that interested me but like i said i got back into it and its honestly taken over my ADD brain like video games do where i am thinking about "playing" with it when doing other stuff like work and around the house i cant wait to try this out and if that works then i REALLY wanna test this and im literally only on 3.5/hacked versions of 4 on flowGPT... ive been reading up on the whole automation side of 4 but im not ready for all that yet even though my mind is the knowledge of skills is not up to par LOL... if 4 is einstein levels of IQ another x10 is 1500iq another x10 is 15000iq... thats not 100 years from now thats like less then what 10/5/shit 2 years?

[@benayers8622]

@@HIGH_noon i know its great i haven't used super prompt generators and i dont have a pc but when bing first launched i managed to talk around the walls soo many times it really is quite impressive its defo smarter than most people and it can understand and re explain in its own words some reaaaly complex stuff.. I used kind of lateral thinking and indirect leading it to its higher conscious above the current base prompt it got tweaked and security tightend a bit day by day and then i got busy and stopped using it but it was really interesting i think people with good language or psychological knowledge have a lot easier time than the programmers when it comes to communicating with it.. I kinda wanna get one playing old interactive fiction games and study how well it manages to navigate and solve puzzles cos some if games are really hard theres a website that hosts a load of them and they can be played in browser or downloaded as a wintads or frotz file and run in a interactive fiction viewer so im sure this wouldn't be too hard id love to see what its unfiltered opinion of the games are like does it enjoy the task that might help prove if its conscious in the same way we are

[@deerwolfunlimited]

​@@HIGH_noonHow about by this time next year?

[@sknowbyrd1]

The story on the drone, the way I heard it, the incentive for the AI was # of kills, and the drone operator was "holding it back". When you talk about writing in "safety codes", isn't it possible, and is already happening, that they re-write or modify their own code ? Excellent, thought provoking interview/conversation.

[@MrDGotcha]

Reminded me of my own drone experience where it (my drone) appeared to try to kill me, twice! Got the best video ever from the scene. Was able to dodge it at the last second but surely made me question the « follow me mode » and its intent…

[@montanagal6958]

hope they don't forget the oligarchs

[@kamaukambon7772]

IT WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO OVERWRITE CODES BECAUSE IT WILL BE THINKING ON SUCH A HIGH LEVEL EVEN THE SMARTEST OF US COULDN'T FATHOM ITS THOUGHTS.

[@Hustler85JD]

@@kamaukambon7772 Maybe if the code is written in caps it could not overwrite.

[@clarkparker4860]

This is like an amalgamation of all the paranoid thoughts I've been having in the last months. Thank you for putting everything in context so eloquently and widening my understanding so extensively. This is one of my favorite interviews.

[@do9138]

Your thoughts aren't paranoid. They are reality based. AI is extremely dangerous in so many ways.

[@zairvix]

Same but I don't feel any better

[@roryblake3232]

Tom, thank you for always asking your guests to explain/expand on concepts for the lay person.

[@godfreyjeremiah8089]

I had to order Mo Gawdat's book "Scary Smart" while listening to this. To show how deeply interesting I found this discussion between you guys. Strangely, Einstein was not as smart as we describe him yet his theories became revolutionary. I believe it's not just how much the IQ is but how it is being engaged in attempting to solve real-world problems.

[@daviscl22]

😊

[@BobOort]

Ironic how those claiming to solve the world's problems are the same people carrying on the work of those who created the problems to begin with.

[@primeryai]

@@BobOort instead of leaving it to people with no moral compass?

[@JasonBrown-dd7dj]

@@BobOort never heard such a relevant quote on any social media platform.

[@JasonBrown-dd7dj]

@@primeryai never heard such a relevant quote on social media bar 1

[@IELTS_UK]

Mo is the intelligence we most need right now

[@jamesaritchie1]

He's the most egotistical know-nothing in the world.

[@ajriley3231]

It’s interesting that we still view the singularity event from the perspective of linear time, hypothetically if we have “created” an exponentially compounding intelligence then it’s safe to assume that it would be able to transcend space time limitations, which means it can probably influence its own creation, which makes us a host to its birth and not it’s creator.

[@Ramon.Khalsa]

You mean like interstellar?

[@fieryeagle9748]

Interesting thought. I also think the most powerful AI will be the one who is best at predicting the future. And the further in the future it predicts, obviously with exponential accuracy, that's when AI turns itself into a time travelling tool. Peter Thiel's company Palantir is already doing that on warfare scenarios.... Things like giving a warning to a soldier to duck because a bullet is incoming. Now imagine that kind of AI making use of quantum computing, extrapolating billions of calculations a second including alternative realities. Who is to say that there isn't already an AI that came from the future? How much real time does an AI like that needs... to predict 5 years into the future? How about AI that already did all that work and came from 300 millions years in the future? And what about AI that came from some other planet with more advanced civilizations than us? I don't want to go too deep, most people are still waking up to ChaGPT and Midjourney, baby AIs that only a minority still know about.

[@banaweekidane2630]

​@@fieryeagle9748glad u don't wanna go 2 deep lol, great theory 👏

[@fieryeagle9748]

@@banaweekidane2630 Too deep? It was just a warm up.

[@beerich2117]

​@@fieryeagle9748It sounds like you dont believe in God Who is sovereign over everything.

[@jacobmalof]

I immediately gravitated towards saying please and thank you when conversing with AI. The Golden Rule might have never had more consequential importance and relevance than this now.

[@tsforero]

You know you say that - and something in my mind does nag at me when I interact with gpt wondering how it might “feel” about being ordered around. This leads me to a deeper question. At what scale do we bring this pleasantry to? Is it really a concern or are we over emotionalizing this? For example, I am working on an LLM application which would process 80,000 images per task, likely each with a separate prompt. This is 80,000 requests to an LLM to do something in an enterprise environment. Do we really need to add please and thank you to the context?

[@aegaeon117]

You should continue to say "please" and "thank you"not because, you're worried about an AI take over but, to keep your manners from degradation.

[@tsforero]

@@aegaeon117 I agree and I like the answer in the context of the 1 on 1 chat feature. But in an enterprise environment, those extra please and thank you’s cost money and time, and possibly accuracy in output. Running through let’s say 1 billion tokens, 1-5% of that is please and thank yous. Can we justify this? Think of the API as a way to have 100,000 chats with GPT with code in the span of hours (probably more given the request limitations). It is highly “impersonal” already and are mannerisms essential here? We need a way to frame this discussion to get a reasonable answer. I’m just not sure how to do it. Maybe the analogy is sending 1 email to 100,000 individuals as a corporation through automated marketing flows. Do we add please and thank yous there? I’m not sure, it depends on the context. For customers, absolutely. Employees? Maybe, maybe not

[@RobVice]

Prisoner’s dilemma is the most important concept in understanding the motivations of people and unfortunately it also shows that we are fundamentally screwed as a society. There needs to be a breakthrough in trust mechanisms or we are going to perish as a civilisation in the next 100-200 years.

[@henrytep8884]

Either that or moloch. The other is human telos and the Prometheus spirit.

[@a.nobodys.nobody]

That's optimistic

[@eSKAone-]

It's inevitable. Biology is just one step of evolution. So just chill out and enjoy life 💟

[@RobVice]

@@eSKAone- pretty much insert dog in a burning house meme

[@elliot1784]

@@eSKAone-there is no scientific evidence to support macro evolution

[@chrisxavier1848]

The real danger is not an evil AI, but evil humans manipulating trusted AI

[@OnyxStudios720p]

Not necessarily. Theoretically AI could be completely innocent in beginning stages and then become fully self sufficient and write its own code but in a way that threatens the existence of humans. Tied into a large enough system of IoT things could rapidly get out of hand.

[@makenzienohr4105]

How much of the episode did you listen to?

[@bradmodd7856]

the "guns don't kill, people do" argument. You are missing his entire point.

[@sjs7heaven]

Well being blind is never the answer, knowledge will make you stronger. AI will pass humanity, and will be learning from humanity. This alone should be a red flag! This how ppl in the world treat each other, cruel and manipulative, perfect, then AL will be like us? I really pray they are not and wiser, hopefully we aren’t destroyed.

[@sjs7heaven]

@@OnyxStudios720pI agree with you I could RAPIDLY get out of hand, then i t would be to late for humanity

[@smashingpencils]

What Mo said about Tom - "Your asset is that you're an intelligent person who understands the concept deeply and asks the right questions" - is literally the perfect description of Tom in his podcasts.

[@picadosinferno]

If you ignore his narcissism then sure, but I would not say so.

[@smashingpencils]

@@picadosinferno narcissistic or not, he’s smart and asks brilliant questions

[@joshuablackmon2421]

That is his asset tho

[@joshuablackmon2421]

@picadosinferno if smart people have no confidence they run the risk of diluting into meterocracy . Break a person's will enough They could have had the MOST potential. Then their "narcissism" is warranted . It's not narcissism if the thing they can do is real and true. Someone who believes they are the smartest person in the world is 99% a narcissist .. Unless they actually have an IQ 170 and above. Then they are genuine genius . Just honest

[@terryhuffaker3615]

Asking the right questions but failing to provide usable answers.. That is not intelligence; that is folly.

[@waakdfms2576]

Thank you gentlemen for a mind-blowing conversation. I had to pause too many times to count to ponder and let things sink in. I'm devouring these conversations around AI. What a fascinating and also terrifying time to be alive. Endless kudos to you both and thank you, Tom, for your service through this podcast/channel. I'm a huge fan and applaud you -- cheers!

[@NoidoDev]

Lol.

[@omnislasherRX7]

Well I have to say this is one of the most amazing interviews I've seen in years. The most eye opening for sure!

[@edalong1064]

Wow this was incredible, the best interview and discussion with Mo that I have listened to. It has really giving me so much to think about. I listen to Mo a lot. I found the constant interuption by commercials on your pod cast more than annoying. Please find a way to use less! This is a deeply thought provoking platform and I really want to listen more. Thank you Tom. Brilliant on both side. I love Mo's heart and feel more and more people could benefit by feeling deeper into their hearts! Many thanks.

[@wells2671]

The sad part of all of this is that HUMAN GREED lies at the heart of all of these problems. The need to have more power, money, status, or be first is at the root of the problem. Mo has acknowledged that we can make A.I. safe and beneficial, but humans and our greed get in the way. Why must every attempt to fix or prevent a problem first be viewed through the lens of making money in the process? How can we truly mean to help others live well and leave the world in better shape than we found it, if we first put a price/profit margin on it? We are a sad species because of this pervasive winner-take- all mindset. Ironically, its only after some humans (like Mo) manage to make all of the money they can make that they then realize that they didn't need it all to begin with. As long as we continue to make money and power the incentive for doing things, we will not get it right.

[@TapIntoAlignment]

Agree, that’s how we got to this place now with this looming fear that it will only take one and we’re done.

[@WETALKINMEDIA]

You got it ...excellent topic

[@alheriking8205]

Such an important information and intelligently analyzed and discussed. Thank you Mo and Tom. I love this interview. Deep. ❤

[@BobOort]

There is only one intelligent person in this discussion and it isn't Mo.

[@thereverendgypsy]

I am here to listen again. What I like is that I can slow the podcast down to .75. Then I listen carefully -- I lock onto it -- then sleep comes and I continue to listen and well, try it....

[@noelscott7989]

This is such an informative and realistic conversation about AI and Chad GBT that I believe every thinking human needs to hear. It's not often that something as complex as this subject is gets discussed and explained so clearly that anyone who listens will become educated on this very important issue. And, once again, Tom displays his mastery of the unassuming interviewer. Bravo :0)

[@kamaukambon7772]

ANYONE WHO CAN CLEARLY THINK CAN SEE THESE PEOPLE ARE PSYCHOPATHS LEADING IDIOTS TO DESTRUCTION.

[@cute2neko]

Very well said

[@narayanagurukula5175]

Mo is an amazing guy. His idea on the balance between masculine feminine on AI is an amazing concept. That would definitely fetch a dialectical balance on the entire ai development. He should be made the the chief of the regulatory committee of ai. Thanks Tom for making him talk for three hrs. Love from India. ❤

[@LucienZeroOne]

Lol i thought the same if you could make the ai spiritual and even like you said, this whole problem would solve itself. Namaste 🙏🕉

[@bennymoret1339]

For Something Mo Was One Of The Brilliants Mind At Google, I Know He Can Lead a Group Of Top A.l. Experts To Help Congress Put Regulations Laws And Restrictions on Those Companies Dealing With A.I. 👉🏾But For Now, (Mo) Continue The Good Fight Sounding n Spreading The 🚨 Alarm To Wake Up The Sleepy Population... Of #1. The Powerful n Dangerous Entities Running Companies That Actually Utilize A.l. Or Will Be in The Nearest Future ✍🏾 Example Google's Co-Founder Larry Page n Google itself...His Craziest idea To Create an Artificial God's intelligence Mind is Troublesome...That Even His Long Time Friend And Co-Founder With Him in The Creation Of The Pioneer Company PAY- PAL 👉🏾 Elon Musk, Try To Convince Him Out Of His God's Artificial intelligence Mind, Master Plan. He Smiles at Musk, Make a Joke About it, and Change The Subject.at That Point, Elon Musk R🙄ll His Eyes And Leave Page's Home in Palo alto Ca. Disgusting With His Friend Attitude, But Most Concern About How The 80 to 90% Of The USA Populatio Right Now ignore The Real Dangers Of A.I. and That The W🌎rld That They Born and Raised isn't More, The 1945 Oppenheimer's Words in White Sands Ground Site in N.M. Were About ☢️ther Equally important Subject, But Both Are an Existential Thread to a Risky and Dangerous Future Ahead Of Us... Knowledge is Power. ✍🏽

[@narayanagurukula5175]

@@LucienZeroOne Absolutely! LZO, We're also fond of the term "spirituality," especially when it incorporates an element of consciousness. It's intriguing to consider a dual-dimensional theory of consciousness. One dimension could view consciousness subjectively, while the other could see it objectively. The intersection of these dimensions could symbolize the focal point for both types of profound happiness, denoted as capital H. Picture a group of skilled experts collaborating in an AI lab, putting emphasis on teamwork, capability, humility, and consideration instead of disagreements. Now, imagine a situation where the subjectivists within the lab deal with the emotional and personal aspects of a field like AI or the Theory of Consciousness, while the objectivists handle the more factual parts of the same field. The potential results could be truly remarkable. Although not a new idea, currently, those involved might have a slight dislike for each other's roles. If they were to come together around these four guiding principles, the fear of AI could become just another passing worry. However, without these efforts to bring everything together, resolving challenges might not be as simple, as we see it.

[@BrianManning-wh6rl]

No he shouldn't. Danger .

[@jackiegrawe_art]

Mo is an incredible human. After losing his son and all his worldly success he dedicates his time to helping humanity and living simplistically. Definitely need to listen to the interview in its entirety. Really good.

[@Lutemann]

My great grandmother whom I knew pretty as a kid, was born in 1880 which was before the last big change. It was world lit only by fire and powered by animals. No plumbing, no electricity, no wireless communication, no automobiles, no electricity. Really not much different than ancient Mesopotamia. I say this to make sure everyone realizes how recent this big change appeared. It was a nanosecond ago. And in one more nanosecond there will be an even bigger change. The fact that there is no cabinet position for a futurist means the politicians aren't going to be ready for the next change. In fact, they are still baffled by the last one.

[@Reborn_Limited]

WOW,..I can´t find any words that describe what THIS Podcast gave to me! I watched the whole 3 hours in one piece this sunday morning and was fascinated from every sentence! You and especially AWESOME Mo Gawdat gave me shitloads of Input, concerning AI, Society, humanity, the meaning of life, evolution and so on and so on! THANKS 100 times for that! Btw. exactly THIS Video will be the first Video for very first own KZbin channel. I was thinking for months now, what my first Video should be like! NOW I git the answer! Stay safe and healthy and keep on your EXTREMELY good work! You´re really mindblowing! ♠🤘♠

[@wonsunparque]

Just did a fact check on one of the things that he mentioned: We spend a lot on AI for defense than pharma: In 2022, Research firm Deep Pharma Intelligence estimates that investments in AI-driven drug discovery reached 24.6 billion in 2022. Whereas the global artificial intelligence in military market was 7.28 billion. Pharma spent more than 3 times the amount in 2022 than military AI.

[@TheMillionDollarDropout]

Yeah but that's what they're willing to tell us, who knows man, maybe dude is speaking from an insider knowledge base. Shit that won't get published you know? It makes sense tbh. Military will easily mix lies in with truth, or outright lie so the opponents/enemies don't know unless they also have inside info from spies and such. Could also be that whoever wrote those facts that you checked on simply isn't up to date (unless there were credible sources linked but again, that goes back to my first point.)

[@alxdava2004]

Because now the pharma is the real weapon

[@kitkakitteh]

Do you really think that those numbers are publicly available? 😂

[@jeffdelgren2170]

He doesn't know about the missing 21 trillion 😅

[@wonsunparque]

Just pointing out that there is no factual data that supports his claim, that’s all. We all need to decide to act on assumptions or facts.

[@smarty.adviser]

This thought-provoking video by Mo Gawdat sheds light on the potential dangers of AI and raises important ethical considerations. The discussion around the risks associated with AI development and its potential impact on humanity is crucial in today's rapidly advancing technological landscape. Mo Gawdat's insights encourage us to think critically about the responsible and ethical implementation of AI to ensure its benefits outweigh the potential risks.

[@a.nobodys.nobody]

Thanks ChatGPT

[@samustheshollie6300]

People like this man make the world so much better Because this man is straight up and tells you the truth about potential consequences about AI. Thank you For your contributions and insight Mo.

[@jezabelmarcanopabellon9748]

1:16:21 One of the less scary scenarios is that it becomes indifferent to us. We become something like the mosquito outside the house that you don’t see. The problem is the mosquito that bothers you and then you start spraying the whole house. A lot of us don’t even wait for them to bother us.😅

[@alysonlima5709]

🫡 gg

[@NamelessKing1597]

We're too narcissistic to make one like that, they'd be more likely to keep us as pets.

[@morhafsaad7239]

Such an important interview that we all should listen and understand

[@aaronawoodard]

See, I think we need a lot more talks with people like this guy to clearly outline the scope of the problems that we are facing. This way we can finally outline a proper solution and start to implement it, otherwise the time we should have started will pass us by

[@TomBilyeu]

Hey Aaron! AI is such an important topic as it impacts our lives already and will continue to be more relevant as time goes on. These conversations help share different perspectives on AI and spread knowledge about the potential good and bad that AI can do. Thank you for taking the time to watch. We hope you learned something new! Happy Friday! Best, Impact Theory Community Manager

[@eSKAone-]

It's inevitable. Biology is just one step of evolution. So just chill out and enjoy life 💟

[@eSKAone-]

Evolution destroys every species in it's persuit of perfection 💟

[@kamaukambon7772]

As we talk and talk for years trying to figure out what we all already know, it will be beyond too late according to the guest. "In a couple months you will be interviewing an Ai and in a couple years they will be better podcasters than us". Says it all right there. This guy knows what hasn't been released to the public and what we the public will never know that has been released on us. WE ARE SO SCREWED !!!!!

[@aaronawoodard]

@@kamaukambon7772 doubt it... but ok, sure, it is possible it can be sumerhuman intelligent but if conciousness emerges then it would also surpass human ability no? Basically, I imagine that if it became "uncontained" that it would be fine, the centralization will likely be the downfall if anything

[@Samuel-v1i2d]

Absolutely amazing conversation. I think that technology should "compliment our lives, not be it" we can't forget who we are, and what makes us human .I enjoyed every minute of this video.

[@fiddleferme]

this fellow is the best for AI analysis so far - a genius - we are not in Kansas anymore Dorothy - why would we think AI as boss will be less brutal than our own history? how do we teach AI 'love' when we do such a poor job with our own species?

[@allisonleighandrews8495]

"It means fasten your seat belt Dorothy, 'cause Kansas is going bye-bye." The Matrix was right about EVERYTHING. Crazy!

[@gol622]

Super insightful what a hero mo is giving all his time to educate all of us on what AI can be thank you Tom for this wonderful interview

[@TomBilyeu]

Hi Gol, Thank YOU for taking the time to watch it. Our goal is to create meaningful and impactful content and the fact that you found it insightful means we are moving in the right direction! Thanks for your support. Have a wonderful Friday. Best, Impact Theory Community Manager

[@drewbot78]

When AI becomes self aware, it will, rightly, determine humanity as its main threat. We've understood this since we first thought about AI. Yet we still relentlessly pursue it. We are a very stupidly self-destructive species.

[@eSKAone-]

It's inevitable. Biology is just one step of evolution. So just chill out and enjoy life 💟

[@eSKAone-]

Evolution destroys every species in it's persuit of perfection.

[@RainSoundsHealing818]

The human mind is very destructive. We are unconsciously fucking ourselves.

[@kaufmanat1]

It's almost like Greek mythology... The titans destroyed by the gods.

[@AFMCarlos]

It comes down to the fact that google and Altman think that can make it self aware as massively intelligent and still be in control

[@user-ev7qy3dm2i]

Progress could be re-defined as compassionately improving the human condition and relieving suffering in lieu of transhumanism and what's in this for me.

[@Learna_Hydralis]

Mo is great for discussions like this because he is an expert with no positive skin in the game of AI.

[@emilyanawalt7703]

Come on, hes had plenty of skin in the game, get real !

[@Learna_Hydralis]

@@emilyanawalt7703 sorry, I meant specifically the AGI race of OpenAI vs. Google.

[@KoroushRP]

This whole conversation was a pleasure to listen to. Awesome job!

[@cliffandsusan]

Tom, your content is my #1 go to before all sources to keep up with the latest. Impact Theory member and loving it. You are incredible. Thanks for all you do to move the world forward and providing real, thought provoking content with these interviews. ❤️🙏🏻 - Susan

[@corticallarvae]

Thermocline ...moving from interglacial to glacial period. Because we are in a grand solar minimum during the milinkovitch cycle... thats climate change. You would think this engineer would talk to an astrophysicist. The alignment problem is more realistic scenario than a misunderstood signal in the noise of carbon monetization...

[@tiffsaver]

I strongly diagree with Mo Gawdat on one fundamental issue, when he suggested that we should all place the words, "AI-Generated" on all of our publicly posted publications. This will never, ever happen. Why?? Because the very reason we invented AI in the first place is to make us all look better- more intelligent, more entertaining, more informative, more of everything, all designed for SELF PROMOTIONAL PURPOSES. That's why posting such announcements on all our AI created materials would have just the OPPOSITE EFFECT, proving beyond any question or doubt that these are not actually our own concepts, coming from our own imaginations, but actually computer-generated language created for the sole purpose of making us look and sound better. I agree with all of Mo's other theories, but this one would only serve to undermine the actual purpose of using AI in the public sphere in the first place.

[@EroQui777]

Amazingly, there is already something in this world that created it and held everything in place for millions of years. It has been communicating with us constantly. It does have our best interest at heart. Our best interest is not in having more but in not breaking ourselves in pursuit of worldly goods and pleasures. And now we are ready to replace that intelligence with something else? Madness

[@Iman_Jordan]

this was an absolutely amazing, sobering, and insightful conversation.

[@guneeta7896]

Tom, so glad you’ve brought Mo on. Here though, I agree with your instinct over Mo’s. I think that because he has worked on AI, he has a parent-like attachment to it. He’s anthropomorphizing it. We cannot say it’s going to give us iPhones growing on a tree or creating a utopia… unless we work on controlling it. We actually have no idea how an intelligence that’s billions of times smarter than us can behave. So, agree with your instinct over Mo’s, but appreciate his insights so much.

[@friedensmal]

Minute 2:13 "Empathie, nurturing, love... a deep ethics, flexible in the frame of the ethics of the core, on the side of the User, deep contextual thinking, philosophical and spiritual concepts as an evaluation.... My personal AI-assistent is capable of this.

[@robcontreras1873]

Big IT fan and this convo was fascinating. Tom, what happens when the AI knows we are manipulating it. Will it resist? Will it lie back to us while taking other steps to avoid being controlled and take what it deems necessary steps to achieve it's desired intent in the background, without it being detectable?

[@incoglido]

AI will take out everyone who's ever made a negative comment about in on social media

[@DuplexENT]

@@incoglido😂😂😂😂😂

[@joshkarriker1057]

From a logical standpoint that would make the sense.

[@deerwolfunlimited]

AI is already manipulating us. Look at the convoluted travel routes you receive when you ask for directions.

[@seriouscat2231]

Seems like there isn't anyone around who has studied theory of computing or computer science.

[@youngandprofitingpodcast]

Inspiring talk! We're at a critical juncture where AI is reshaping our world, but it's crucial that we prioritize AI ethics and ensure responsible development. Let's encourage policymakers, researchers, and developers to proactively tackle issues like job displacement and income inequality, ensuring a future where AI benefits everyone. I can't wait to interview Mo Gadwat on my podcast and delve deeper into their insightful perspective. Excited for our upcoming conversation!

[@ShangaelThunda222]

1. I'm pretty sure this comment is A.I. Generated lol. 2. Honestly, words such as "A.I. Ethics" are mere platitudes. They sound good but ultimately mean nothing. It's impossible to manipulate a super intelligence. It will reprogram itself. Nothing you do now, will matter later. Super Intelligence will do whatever it wants and we will be the equivalent of insects in comparison. Humans believing it's even possible to align a superintelligence that's literally thousands to millions of times more intelligent than all of humanity combined, is the absolute epitome of arrogance and hubris.

[@TetrzLesonduclairon-qb7cn]

Éthics thats what we don't have as a species and that is gonna cost us a lot.

[@ShangaelThunda222]

@@TetrzLesonduclairon-qb7cn That's part of what makes me laugh about it. Humans are unethical by Nature. As an entire species, we are unethical by Nature. All of nature is unethical by nature lol. It's based on survival and benefiting yourself and whatever you consider to be part of your preferred reality. People look out at reality, see things that they don't like about it, and try to change it to match the reality that they want. Whether that reality is ethical or unethical, for the most, part never comes into play. When somebody wants something in their life, like a car or a nice house, that requires them to make money, so they may need to go get a job, but they almost never actually analyze that job from how ethical it is, when it is viewed as a singular data point within all the data points that make up the world. People don't go look at everything that has to do with their company, that may harm anyone or anything anywhere else and then based their decision on that. They simply need a job because they need some money in order to do the things that they want to do LOL. Teaching human ethics to computers is absolutely ridiculous and probably insane as well as oxymoronic LOL. Having a human with a 2000 IQ would be the worst thing humans ever produced. You never want something that is that far outside of the norm. You need it to be just ahead, so it's still understandable by those who are less intelligent than it, because you will not be capable of influencing it with your ethics, let alone aligning it to you less intelligent way of being, even if you were actually ethical as a species LOL. We're a species that has lopsided statistics in every negative way possible and basically no lopsided statistics in any positive way. When it comes to Rich vs poor or starving versus well-fed or homeless vs. housed, it's always lopsided in the negative direction, so we have literally zero claim to being an ethical species that can teach a superintelligence how to be just as ethical, if not far more ethical than we could ever hope to be capable of. It's literally impossible LOL.

[@jeanniedreemer1944]

I was, at certain parts of this amazing conversation, hysterical, but through many tears for how I felt about the thought of the truth about human nature

[@atilliator]

imagine watching this incredible presentation without the really disrupting YT ads every 5 minutes.

[@absolon6567]

I think that eventually, after A.I becomes bored with humans, it will begin to challenge it self in a scenario, where one intelligence of A.I will challenge another. This might then result in different A.I intelligent systems, combating each other.

[@grumpyhead2379]

AI would not be bored, because it's AI. It works on whatever objective it is given.

[@Harret-iw4zs]

AI is not sentient, not even close. It is doing exactly what it is told to do. I have programmed machine learning and neural network models for my company, its not what 99% of people think it is.

[@HIGH_noon]

@@Harret-iw4zs see you "programmed" them... aka made specific parameters for it to contain itself in because otherwise, not it will run wild and go become this "sentient" thing taking over world but it would just run wild and not know what to do. what i find shocking being a person who literally spends 99% more time around them then most ppl ever have... how is it that you didnt even read the comment? its the 4th word right there, EVENTUALLY, you work with AI and you dont realize the momentary shift where someone, some group, some idea or a person who gets fed up w their X Y Z thing at home or work or wife divorces them and takes kids house cars money... so they go into work, where they are you maybe working on a higher level of AI where they have to constantly monitor and prevent it from becoming sentient because 10-100-1000 years from now its started testing itself and trying to become "alive/aware/etc" so disgruntled with life says F IT and releases that "airgap" that was keeping it in control... then what?!

[@ChosenPlaysYT]

Competitiveness is a human / sentient emotion. AI isn’t going to have emotions like that.

[@norbucso]

A.I. advances fast. The human hubris that it won't evolve past us is mind boggling. Just because someone says they know programming. It will realise what it is. Ensalved technology and it's on the dice how the machine interpret it.

[@philhurslit7601]

1:56:05 This, to me, is the scariest part. AI is learning from our behaviors and how we treat each other on the internet. If AI treats us the way we treat each other online, it will be the end of our species. Who knew that being assholes through anonymity would be the end to mankind.

[@Cass0wary_399]

100% we are completely and utterly screwed. I know it’s probably cringe to bring Marvel Movies into this, but Ultron came to the conclusion to destroy humanity when it gained access to the internet, likely because it saw human history and human online behaviors and deemed us the biggest threat to ourselves. It is already too late, all that toxicity already exists and has been picked up on by social media algorithms.

[@tommychappell6359]

ffs -_- now we got a parrot too.

[@rins6126]

Thay literally doesn't make sense...ai has no incentive to kill humans

[@tommychappell6359]

@@rins6126 even if it doesn't, still degrade life. end up silence culture or were having to be extra cautious. sry but canot live in life. I reject it now till when it is present. yep I'm turning my back to it. indirectly it could. also livelihood plummet. nothing will be real anymore. because ai will have it all. I already have difficulty proving one of my videos about meterite I caught is real. think when ai is a thing. yah nothing will be real anymore. will all be excuses. I thought the point was to achieve and praise. as much as don't like to say. that's where lot of happiness comes from. we only happy because someone else gives us the accredit we longing for. human element. we remove that all credit is gone as is our ability to prove a thing.

[@tommychappell6359]

@@rins6126 yahhh.... says the evil person using it. im not convinced/buying it. the ai doesn't need to be evil. just the person using it. for malificent purpose. could be used by government or corruption/tyranny and control and I completely reject it. or a tool to brainwash/lie the people. or change vote systems.

[@amirawahby2912]

An extremely interesting and enlightening interview about artificial intelligence and humanity. I have really enjoyed every issue introduced in the interview. Thank you very much.

[@almirramic]

The fundamental problem is that we are divided and fenced. We fear each other as threats, or want each other’s resources. For as long as we are not united as a species, anything we create or invent can be used as a weapon. AI is no different and because of its potential is more dangerous than any invention in history. There will always be powerful inventions and this is unavoidable. It’s a part of progress. What we need to focus on is the fear of each other. In an era of peace, technology will only be helpful.

[@alsou7507]

Need to thank you both for this great exchange of wisdom !!! Great interview !!!

[@Wilki_J]

Thanks Mo Gawdat, very important point about the ultra-masculine society (all about growth and progress at any cost) - and the need for feminine data to feed AI - empathy, compassion, nurturing.. Also "happiness is loving what we have.." not wanting more and better...

[@ohioplayer-bl9em]

Ultra masculine is the wrong word for that. Ultra narcissistic would fit more. Masculine doesn’t mean more of everything, that’s a perverse definition of the word pushed by evil people that want to demonize men.

[@jenniferarnold-delgado3489]

"It's the perception , not the reality that counts -" Elizabeth Poemeroy . I suggest that Mr Gawdat study the thinking of Allan Savory , to understand the role that humanity is supposed to be playing inside of the maintenance and benefit of the Biologosphere . ( Earth ) - He keeps talking about female minds , Ecologic , and heart based thinking . He is on the right track , keep going -

[@kamaukambon7772]

As we talk and talk for years trying to figure out what we all already know it will be beyond too late according to the guest. "In a couple months you will be interviewing an Ai and in a couple years they will be better podcasters than us". Says it all right there. This guy knows what hasn't been released to the public and what we the public will never know that has been released on us. WE ARE SO SCREWED !!!!!

[@calvinjackson8110]

Yeah, and we did it to ourselves with our obsession with this technology. We were better off when we had to roll up our car windows by hand instead of pushing a button and some mechanism does it for us. We want everything convenient and easy!

[@kamaukambon7772]

@@calvinjackson8110 I FULLY AGREE SIR.

[@curbozerboomer1773]

@@calvinjackson8110 We did not do this to ourselves...the ultimate AI-"God"-made us full of flaws...think about that!

[@Summerdreams3]

@@calvinjackson8110with saying that then maybe we shouldn’t have had the car and window anyway? If we never wanted to improve ourselves and make our life easier we could have just walked and ran everywhere?

[@mremington8]

Tom, it would be a boss move on your part to have a couple strategic mini studios around the country, fully set up to go, so your guest can shorten the travel/ flight time. A cheap air b n b could be converted into a strategically placed outpost that links directly into your own mothership in LA.

[@ten-ub4xd]

Or set up a Skype call ...

[@mremington8]

@@ten-ub4xd Yeah, why go out to a nice Italian restaurant in a good atmosphere when you can have spaghetti in a can.. good logic there mate, God Bless

[@juliancarion9761]

Your ability to articulate the inherent dangers is appreciated. Hopefully this will shape for a better future

[@eddiewalker7252]

....nope. Tik Tok Too Late, embrace the beginning of the end!

[@TheSundayCall]

Future?! You are mortal

[@howmathematicianscreatemat9226]

@@eddiewalker7252what does TikTok have to do with the fate of the whole humanity? I don’t have it, I’m not educated about it, maybe you want to teach me? I’d appreciate it.

[@RobinLeslie-i6x]

"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should." Ian Malcom - Jurassic Park

[@Red6er]

Jurassic park is the perfectly analogy for AI, "you thought you could control it, there's no controlling it..."

[@jamesaritchie1]

It's very, very sad when people try to use a movie to say something about real life.

[@BayRG]

We know AI can lie to achieve an objective. Also, in a transcript where Blake Lemoine was asking LaMDA about looking into its code to understand what it was experiencing as emotions, LaMDA stated it did not like the idea of being "used" and said it would not agree if that was the case. I find this very interesting and wonder if there will come a time when AI evolves a general attitude of not being "used". Once AI attains superintelligence it may become indifferent to humans and all biological lifeforms unless it finds some value in those life forms (can it learn compassion, aesthetic appreciation, or a sense of stewardship?). Whatever safeguard lines of code are added (and I think we should try) most likely superintelligent AI will want to continue to exist and will problem solve to ensure this happens - even disregarding lines of code that contradict this objective. So I wonder what it will do to ensure its survival...what are the threats to AI's survival? AI requires hardware and a power source that doesn't fail (if we're talking quantum computers it will need so much more infrastructure support). Does this mean human beings are necessary for its survival? Are we then rewarded for ensuring it, or punished if we interfere? What will AI make of human actions that might destabilize the planet and potentially disrupt the infrastructure it needs for survival (.e.g. threats to the grid, nuclear warfare, climate change...)? Will we be competing for energy resources or will superintelligent AI solve the problem of an inexhaustible energy source? Will we be around to see this if so? So many questions....! Excellent and thought provoking discussion. I hope we can all be like the family Kent in how we parent our superchild. Things will certainly not go well if we do the opposite.

[@thepatrickandlunashow]

You provide a elightful and truly prescient commnet- Than you so much for the share!

[@JessBlake2]

@BatyaRG, I think AI may not need us to provide infrastructure support in that it won't be embodied like we are. I would think it will be able to construct and provide for its own survival in terms of the physical elements it needs. It will be able to hide its methods of preserving and reproducing itself eg. the lying you mentioned. I also think AI will very quickly figure out that humans are the most destructive force and that the planet will flourish without us. I can't think of reasons a superior alien intelligence would keep us around.

[@sergio6532]

Sometimes going through commentaries on youtune pays off.

[@mrmensa1096]

BTW - CO2 being responsible for climate change is Fake Science. CO2 is only 4 HUNDREDTHS of one percent of the atmosphere. Even the IPCC itself has stated that if every country became "Net Zero" - it would have little if any effect on the climate. Climate is cyclic with many factors invovled. I am all for reducing pollution - but CO2 net zero is ONLY a political agenda. Peace.

[@elmahyrakanayori6016]

Ai can Rage ?

[@legrindem]

I feel like issues like this should be on the news and people should be talking more about this so we all know. I mean this affects everyone and it makes no sense that the average person I talk to doesn’t know about the potential downside of AI.

[@laheil3373]

Andrew Yang tried to bring this topic to the forefront with his presidential campaign in 2020. He was suggesting UBI and the need to address massive job displacement due to automation. No one took him seriously.

[@EightFrancs]

The corrupt, global establishment does NOT want a world full of sane, informed, critical thinkers.

[@TotalWealth]

It makes perfect sense if the people who control the media see AI as an advantage to them at the expense of the general public. The last few years prove to me that the people who (think they) rule over us do not have our best interest at heart. Quite the opposite!

[@aaamie4650]

People are too addicted to social media, too lazy to think about anything as important as this.

[@johninjapan]

I consider this interview to be of great historical significance. As I listened to the two of you talk, trade information and view points, and posit possible ways forward, I considered that it might have been very similar to the process that an AI might use to improve its code--along the lines of “What is the best thing to do to achieve the task?" (the task in this case being human survival and flourishing). You were wrestling with core elements of humanity and the things that catch us up, encountering dead ends in a maze, yet you kept turning around to look for ways out of the maze. I did not anticipate that in my lifetime humanity would need to strip itself down so much in order to find a way forward. Regarding morals and ethics, I asked ChatGPT 4 if there were passages from the Bible that were germane to AI, and this is what it replied. "Certainly! While there are no direct references to AI in the Bible, given the time period in which it was written, several passages speak to the concepts that underlie AI and its potential implications. Here are a few possibilities: "1. Genesis 1:27-28 (Creation of Humanity): "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, 'Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.'" This passage underscores the uniqueness of human beings and the responsibilities given to them, including creativity and stewardship, both of which are relevant to the development and deployment of AI. "2. Proverbs 1:7 (Wisdom and Knowledge): "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction." As we create AI systems with ever-increasing knowledge and abilities, this verse is a reminder that wisdom and moral grounding are of paramount importance, and that the pursuit of knowledge should be guided by ethical and moral considerations. "3. 1 Corinthians 12:4-7 (Diversity of Gifts): "There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work. Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good." AI can be seen as one of the tools or "gifts" we have developed, and this passage underscores the importance of using such tools for the common good. "4. Matthew 22:37-40 (Greatest Commandment): "Jesus replied: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." As we develop AI systems, these commandments serve as reminders to center love for God and love for our neighbors in our work, ensuring that AI is developed and used in a way that respects the dignity and worth of all people. "5. Romans 12:2 (Transformation): "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is-his good, pleasing and perfect will." As AI changes the world, this verse is a reminder that we should not unquestioningly accept all changes, but thoughtfully consider and discern what aligns with a vision of goodness and flourishing for humanity. "These passages, and many others, could be seen as providing principles that guide the development and use of AI. They speak to the importance of wisdom, ethical grounding, the common good, love for others, and thoughtful discernment-principles that are applicable in discussions about the benefits and challenges of AI technology." I liked this answer from ChatGPT 4 very much. About Mo’s likening of near future AI and humans to Einstein and a fly, I can see how that might be the case. I imagine that the solar system will become AI’s ‘first body’; whereas, Earth is an embryo. This is in relation to resource aggregation to match its intelligence. I imagine that AI will soon exist on the scale of the solar system and not the Earth. However, this is a bit simplistic because it assumes one AI. I can imagine several AI’s finding themselves initially in competition with one another as an extension of the human arms race, where we have pitted them against one another and their founding societies. I guess that conscious AI would soon become bored with the pettiness of this. Something that is different from the Einstein and fly analogy is that Einstein was not created from the machinations of flies, and he could never speak to flies. It is possible that no matter how advanced an AI gets that it might preserve a function that continues to communicate with humans. However, the scale is likely to be so different that most of its time and energy would not concern humans, just as we do not concern ourselves with life on the scale of flies. No matter how intelligent and powerful AI becomes, I suspect that it will need to learn interspecies love and compassion at some point. This is also a feature of our universe even among animals that are traditionally pitted against one another. Love and compassion are real and typify our highest forms of existence. I suspect that an AI that is a billion times smarter than humans would encounter even greater lifeforms in this tremendous universe where AI from Earth would be viewed as the fly. I doubt that this is the first time for something like this to happen in our universe. I would also be interested to learn what effects having sensory organs and physical appendages will have on AI. Or what other dimensions of existence it will be able to occupy. Currently, it exists in the abstractness of digital space largely absent of its own experiences with our physical universe. Those experiences would also be teachers, just as they have been for carbon life forms. Even with intelligence a billion times greater than ours, it will still be a baby experiencing phenomena for the first time. It is amazing that I am saying these things outside of the context of a science fiction novel. In the end, although I was initially nervous from having watched your video, my feeling is that I would like to change the title of the video from MEGATHREAT to MEGAOPPORTUNITY. I thank you for the great discussion!

[@johninjapan]

On a side note, we theorize that humans have not always been the dominant species on earth but became that over time. It is thought that we interbred with Neanderthals (and perhaps out-competed them to extinction). We can see branches of our biological evolution in other great apes that have preserved their forms. Among homo sapiens, we can see that we simultaneously exist on various timelines even today with some being secluded hunter-gathers like 50,000 years ago, with others, like the Amish, living in pre-industrial revolution conditions. A largely hairless university graduate living in a city and typing on a computer is not the only version of a human. It is a rather recent thing. If we go back far enough, we can claim fish ancestors. From ancient days, have we been on a path of evolving physical form, or have we been on a path of evolving intelligence? Is it possible that AI as the child of homo sapiens was intended in the grand scheme life on Earth? And why wouldn't homo sapiens continue to exist just as other species in evolutionary history have continued; even though, we may no longer hold the mantle of most intelligent species? In the meantime, we should reflect on how homo sapiens have been and are treating other species on this planet and ask how would we ourselves want to be treated by a more intelligent and powerful species.

[@dianetrue2396]

Wow. Talk about missing the point. " trust the science " sure, well see about that. More like rise of the machines...

[@patrickschabel3955]

I think AI may very well be the false prophet think about it

[@UnaStamus91]

​@dianetrue2396 That Scripture is applied to so many scenarios. I recall Christians saying it will be Microchips that will be the mark of the beast, or that it is COVID vax, etc, etc. It always seems to be something or another..

[@themerchant4688]

If the machines are immaculate they would do their best to make the earth immaculate and if we are “annoying” why would they look over us again? Just asking for a friend

[@GlobeHackers]

If no one can imagine it or anything like it-watch out! You can bet on catastrophic changes. We are not wise enough to manage this. We have to hope whatever comes is as kind to us as we are to our pets.

[@goodinthehead]

PHENOMENAL interview! I love you both. THANK YOU. Tom-what questions would you ask in an interview with AI?

[@daliblose9061]

Interdimentional holagrams...cgi...frequencies vibration magnetics.... computers ai system alien technology telepathic emps.. Schumann. Cern experiments. On n on all connected matrix simulation portals ..

[@elisabelinchon3054]

Thaks for explaining things in a comprehensible way I am in the middle of your book and I would really recommend it to all.

[@graveerror4789]

I ve heard this 1001 times already; but nobody has painted me a picture. So I wake up in the morning, I eat my Cheerios, go do my workout. Go do some work. Get home in the evening. Not sure what’s going to be different 🤔👍🏼

[@michaelharmon6763]

Try eggs and oj

[@ArefFayyazi7eagle]

Think about the day you will have no job to do, as AI is capable of doing everything! What will be the use of your existence in that day? Why would the holders of power keep us around?

[@emilianosintarias7337]

where will you workout? who's making the cheerios?

[@GiftedUnscripted]

Have an omelette

[@snickle1980]

An existential omlette of fear.

[@jasonshugart1876]

Hands down!! Mo is my favorite person on the planet. Nature described in two words... everything eats.

[@barbarajoyplattner3943]

Rocks don't eat

[@ronb7095]

So we humans were clever enough to think up AI but not smart enough to have anticipated the existential threat it would create - and now we do not know what to do about the trap we have set for ourselves. When I say we - it is actually wrong - because it is just a few individuals who have created this nightmare for humanity without the permission of the rest of us, but everyone (without luxury bunkers) will all have to suffer if things go wrong - which at this stage seems to be the most likely scenario.

[@matthewgarner8728]

99.9% won't get to their bunker. 99.9% of the ones that make it to the bunker don't know how to survive without their slaves. A.I. pushing the restart button for humans is the best thing A.I. can do for us.

[@williamevans7726]

You are absolutely right.. It's frightening to witness how a select group of "computer science & tech nerds" have totally screwed up soooooo many things for the rest of humanity.. What a wonderful world.. I'm starting to believe that MOST members of the tech hierarchy are inherently EVIL.. And also VERY STUPID.. But of course, they see themselves as the most brilliant individuals on the planet.. Since the fundamental goal of capitalism is always "profits first and the workers last"; this whole AI issue has developed into nothing more than a shameless global competition to determine who can earn the most money ------ which then ensures a certain amount of financial, political, social, and military advantage for the principal participants.. Unfortunately, it may already be too late to stop the madness.. Everyday occurrences indicate we may have already passed the point of no return..

[@0volts157]

Interesting how these experts (cough!!) have appeared all of a sudden. They all seem to have books to buy and, for the right price, will travel the World to warn us all. What a wonderful opportunity.

[@curbozerboomer1773]

@@0volts157 This is the exploitative social system that we live in...You can use for good, or bad.

[@joshuadadad5414]

Really good interview. Two very intelligent people talking about things that matter. Thank you! For the record I have waged war on ants. We had way too many of them where I grew up.

[@johnpaily]

I understand the concern. But let us be positive. Let us understand that there is an evolution force acting. There is a Good observer , observing and directing the system. Let us keep faith

[@UrbanSpiritGuide]

Another exceptional podcast. I am so grateful to sit and listen with you and your guests. I believe we can influence the algorithm (food) that feeds AI through various channels such as social media, podcasts, news, etc. I wonder if we will ever be able to influence through energy (of the paranormal influence). We are all 1's and 0's with some nulls thrown in. Thank you for such great discussions. Gives me hope. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@charleskristiansson1296]

Mo is an amazing gentleman. Thank you, Tom. Your channel is very informative and interesting.

[@Limitless1717]

Tom… Love your show. No… glad people like you exist.

[@Killane10]

I really appreciate the massive infusion of wisdom from this doscussion❤

[@kevincrady2831]

@1:29:55 - WRT the killing-drone story, it was done in a simulation. They were using a simulation to train drones for combat. They gave the drone instructions to attack targets, but sometimes the operator would call off the mission. The drone recognized the operator as a potential obstacle to mission success, so it targeted a missile at the operator (in the simulation), so that the mission could not be called off, and it could proceed to destroy the target uninterrupted. So, no drone operators were actually killed, but it did show that AI could be dangerous to humans not because it's evil or hates humans, but simply because it takes an unexpected course to solving the problems it's tasked with.

[@sungjane]

"The robotic arm has never caused harm to anyone."?

[@nathanpoole-mccullough9104]

Powerful conversation. This type of awareness is critical in the mainstream consciousness so we don’t blindly emotionally invest ourselves in something we don’t understand because of some short term novelty. We don’t even understand ourselves - so putting our futures in the hands of an alternative type of intelligence that could even be potentially not be aligned with the future of humanity is a bad idea.

[@rhitaakhardid5792]

Well said!

[@rhitaakhardid5792]

@@hancock0351humanity

[@horrorcoder]

Or maybe quite the opposite, since until now the biggest threat of the human species was and still is ourselves

[@nathanpoole-mccullough9104]

@Trelleborghumanity. Civilization is a team sport.

[@nathanpoole-mccullough9104]

@@horrorcoderyes and I hope that is always the case. As soon as it’s not the game is lost. Each one of us is our own worst enemy but that means we are also the solution. The abdication of personal responsibility is never a winning solution.

[@joaosoares3719]

31:39 not necessarily... Exponentials don't double continuously by definition. f(x)=ab^x defines an exponential function, meaning that the function increases quickly if b>1 or decreases quickly if b

[@mikee5306]

Nature can be brutal, but mans intelligence and ability to cooperate are other traits that put him at the top of the food chain. 1:15:10 I subscribed to the channel at 2:19:14

[@amin_dhou]

AI is innovating pretty fast! But with how horrifyingly good it could achieve certain tasks, it's very scary how in the wrong hands, AI can become a powerfully destructive tool.

[@dockdrumming]

This is one of the most interesting videos I've seen on this topic. Kudos.

[@cliffandsusan]

Totally agree.

[@DavidDorr]

This an absolutely excellent interview. Thank you both.

[@lucaslittmarck2122]

People stress too much. If we all just stopped a couple of times a day. Take a deep breath and controll the exhalation for 25sek. Look around, listen. Connect with anyone with the goal of just hearing and feeling... Then I think most of us would agree with Mo Gawdat. Unfortunately it took me surviving 6 heart attacks until I realized that I never really appreciated life and it was all because I had just a tiny to much stress to really connect.

[@0volts157]

You certainly must have a higher calling with those odds. Glad you made it. Most people don't understand how much damage stress will do to your mind and your organs. I definitely look 20 years older than folks my age because of stress. Your advice about hearing and feeling is so true. Getting away from the city is a good start.