Bizarre Truth Behind The Triceratops Hump | McLoughlin's Ceratopsians

[@EDGEscience]

6:11 shows a piece of art from Emily Steppingstones, NOT Darren Naish.

[@louiegarcia7992]

Can you please do Argentinosaurus & Mapusaurus soon?

[@EmilySteppPaleoart]

I was about to say lol

[@kayagorzan]

Hmmm

[@chandlerj333]

6:31 is supposed to say Ray Troll, if I'm not mistaken.

[@indoraptor6351]

@@chandlerj333 #Pliosaurus

[@GojiCenter]

This basically turns ceratopsians into flat out defenseless prey items.

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

They still have their horns to defend themselves

[@Magmafrost13]

@@alejandroelluxray5298 They wouldnt be able to move their heads though, so they'd have a very hard time using those horns against a much more agile predator

[@griffincrump5077]

Yo, didn’t know Triceratops were part of the GvK hype channel’s interests!

[@gojirazillasaurus6341]

Hey it’s goji!!

[@ScootsScoot]

lol

[@EmpireOfLuciferSatanson666]

The antithesis of shrinkwrapping.

[@kayagorzan]

Indeed

[@magiv4205]

The two must always exist to balance eachother out.

[@g.m.9180]

Ballooning?

[@user-mp8wy8lp4y]

@@g.m.9180 flesh stuffed?

[@derekbrogan5008]

Bubblewrapping

[@dinomation]

These ceratopsians look right out of the uncanny valley.

[@wantedwario2621]

Maybe that means it looks more real?

[@kayagorzan]

Indeed

[@montyfan9940]

"dinosaurs tend to store their fat in their ass." Me: "Maybe Im a dinosaur."

[@splurg6180]

Wait, hol up

[@rachelpender5003]

XD

[@ScionStorm1]

"I'm not overweight. That's just my ass hump."

[@Spiny_21]

Bruh hahaha me to tho 😏

[@jdmangrich]

"Mom, I want to be a dinosaur!"

[@captainstroon1555]

Hump or not, ceratopsians sure had strong neck muscles

[@gojirazillasaurus6341]

Definitely!

[@jdmangrich]

You don't have a 2 meter long head if you don't have the neck to hold it

[@ARandomDinosaur]

The zoo tycoon music in the background gives off such a good and nostalgic vibe.

[@ItsEnderDiego]

i began have flashbacks when i heard it

[@ryomahoffman6803]

NOSTALGIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Beest_ty]

Frr😭😭

[@gwenpoole1071]

BRO I HAD TO PAUSE AND TRY AND DECIDE IF I WAS LOSING IT OR NOT 🤣🤣🤣

[@D_R757]

I miss imprisoning guests in the lion pit

[@Patchwork_Dragon]

"Dinosaurs store fat in their ass" You know someone is going to draw a thicc assed dinosaur now

[@Patchwork_Dragon]

I made this comment at 4:30 A.M. but I'm not wrong.

[@Alpha-ki5gt]

Go on rule 34 and you’ll see a lot of that

[@stankyratman5685]

@@Alpha-ki5gt no i don’t think i will

[@its_konna8717]

Bold of you to assume that people haven't already done that

[@gojirazillasaurus6341]

@@Alpha-ki5gt oh god no never never never and never

[@solar-jaymi]

I don't see how this theory would be possible, it's head would be stuck upwards and wouldn't be able to look down.

[@WHACK_space_rock]

Good to see McLoughlin's book is still significant today, as it was such a game changer back in '79 when I ordered it and had it delivered to my house. His art style was a big influence on mine ....

[@rod9527]

So ceratopsians literally have a ball joint like an action figure, interesting....

[@adreabrooks11]

Or like your shoulder.

[@kathyl9222]

I had a triceratops skeleton toy with a ball joint for the neck, interesting it turned out to be accurate.

[@drewmations6166]

@@adreabrooks11 what now??

[@adreabrooks11]

@@drewmations6166 I was replying to OP's comment that "ceratopsians ... have a ball joint like an action figure." I replied that our shoulders (and, while we're at it, our hips) have similar joints - though, obviously, the bones themselves go off in different directions than straight-aligned vertebrae. It's how we can pivot them in a near-360 rotation.

[@drewmations6166]

@@adreabrooks11 no but like SHOULDERS HAVE BALL JOINTS?!

[@frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574]

Mom: why don't you go play with the neighbor's kid? The neighbor's kid: 6:17

[@AltairBlue]

Y O.

[@paleoph6168]

Triceratops ❌ TriceraNECC ✅

[@chadgorosaurus4898]

Triceranecks

[@CleverClothe]

He attac. He protec. But most importantly, he NECC.

[@Spiny_21]

Kosmonecc

[@eertikrux666]

No one expected him to say “ass”

[@beastmaster0934]

I sure didn’t.

[@splurg6180]

Everyone liked that

[@Weirdoid]

I remember once wondering if ceratopsians had humps due to the recent updated reconstruction of psittacosaurus that had the head looking normal instead of the shrink wrapped almost frilled look I was used to. This had me wondering on how frill like the frills actually were.

[@benjones1717]

The no grassy plains thing is something I think is often shown wrong in video reconstructions. It seems salient.

[@TheoEvian]

Yeah, grasses first appear in Late Cretaceous, if there was something like a "grassland" before that, it would be covered by different plants, maybe ferns and horsetails?

[@RokuroCarisu]

@@TheoEvian It used to be said that the last dinosaurs saw the first flowers bloom, but really they saw the first grass grow.

[@beastmaster0934]

@@RokuroCarisu Watching grass grow was probably less boring back then. Since it was a brand new thing

[@michaelportillo5663]

@@beastmaster0934 wake up babe the grass update popped up

[@levitateme]

That depiction of Triceratops with a a meaty frill bothers me. lol it makes my favorite animal look like a weird steroidal bull.

[@troodonnetwork]

We got Dodson here!.. see nobody cares. Nice hat.

[@perhapsawhitemale8144]

Hehe

[@RedRaptor78]

I came here for this.

[@Roger-hp1yg]

I was thinking that to haha

[@potzblitz6577]

That Lewis D. slipped into his text really cracked me up.

[@gojirazillasaurus6341]

What are you tryin to look like a secret agent?

[@thecarnomeleon538]

9:34 was a jump scare for me, not gonna lie.

[@ceratopsiandavedraws8548]

Um what?

[@tanman2000]

Lewis Dodson? Somebody has Jurassic Park on the brain lol

[@A113-p9e]

... So what you’re saying is dinosaurs are dummy T H I C C.

[@cristhianmlr]

No, they weren't. Mammals are.

[@rikospostmodernlife]

@@cristhianmlr 9:33

[@cristhianmlr]

@@rikospostmodernlife nope. That's mammals all right.

[@diamond_dude1063]

@@cristhianmlr nope, dinosaurs are.

[@cristhianmlr]

@@diamond_dude1063 Nope, mammals are. I'm working on my first degree on paleontology, I can stay here all day and explain you that.

[@deinsilverdrac8695]

I love these sort of Idea Speculative biology of dinosaurs with speculative specie or speculative abilities

[@gojirazillasaurus6341]

Hey do you wanna hear my dads opinion on spinosaurus he thinks it was just a really biologically messed up baryonyx lol

[@michaeljdauben]

I remember reading Archasauria back around 1980 and being fascinated by the unusual reconstructions. I know it's a long dismissed idea, but I've still got a copy of the old book in my library. 😁

[@pharoahcaraboo9610]

where IS that beautiful wall of ceratopsian fossils from? i have to put that place on my bucket list, its absolutely awesome.

[@cjalexanderjr8811]

@7:10 Was it possible the frills had open holes like that?

[@PurpleRhymesWithOrange]

I love your take that these 'outlandish' ideas should not be dismissed out of hand. Rather than assume all extinct animals are just slight variations on forms alive today it should be considered that some of them may have been truly unique experiments in evolution.

[@MechaShadowV2]

I have wondered for the last 4 or so years if maybe the frill had not a jaw muscle attachment, but large neck muscles attaching their large heads to the shoulders, like you see in many mammals today that have large horns having that shoulder hump.

[@manospondylus]

Great video! I recently wrote about this topic on my blog too and where McLoughlin may have gotten the idea from.

[@timothyrakstang6134]

I really enjoyed this video. I think its worth doing more videos like this that delve into rational theories of what dinosaurs might have looked like.

[@iamandyFEARME]

at 6:08 there was a reconstruction shown to be drawn by Darren Naish but this art more resembles Emily Stepp, a possible error?

[@catherinehubbard1167]

Interesting! I really enjoyed this video, thank you for it. I always imagined the big bony ceratopsian frills as combined display structures and neck shields. Even without the lateral horns and knobs, that is a big billboard that can be raised and turned at will and is maximized when in head-down frontal attack position. Paleo artists have delighted in adding colors and striking patterns, which would emphasize species differences, advertise reproductive status, and add to fierce appearance. When under attack by a predator, the neck would be ordinarily be a vulnerable site, but not when covered by a great spiny, bony shield. Having a mound of solid muscle filling the frill not only would immobilize the head as you point out, it would make an attractive mouthful for a big predator biting down from above. So there were likely some jaw muscle attachments on the lower part of the frill, but the head would be fully mobile and the great frill would be free to tilt and turn to best display and defensive effect. An immobilized head would cripple vigilance and food acquisition abilities.

[@Deadlock112]

they had an accordion like neck for sea shanties

[@soppdrake]

Strange! The thumbnail reminded me of John C. Mcoughlin's bonkers idea! And the film WAS about the ideas of ceratopsian shield-musculature that JCM brough up in his book. Here's where it gets weirder: up pops an image I drew for a book on Dinosaurs back in the mid nineteen-eighties. The front cover of that very same book pops up directly afterwards (Collins Guide to Dinosaurs). I was its Art Director and did a few drawings for it -- one of them being the Triceratops based on the idea from "Archosauria". Sidenote: Collins refused to allow us (The Diagram Group) to put our name on the cover of the book. Our main artist put it instead on the Deinonychus tail on the rear cover. It's written in camouflage. 🦖

[@jaredthehawk3870]

I really have to ask if you guys are native Houstonians like myself because you guys really like using records. of the Morian Hall of Paleontology in your vids. I approve of this btw as HMNS deserves more exposure and attention as it's such a quality museum.

[@EDGEscience]

Nah, just went there and took a bunch of footage of it.

[@jaredthehawk3870]

@@EDGEscience still glad for you guys highlighting it in your vids.

[@croc_moat2327]

You realise that you true dino-geek when you knew that fact about triceratops when you was 9 year old lol

[@angeliquebarbey8340]

I love John C McLoughlin's books, SYNAPSIDA, THE TREE OF ANIMAL LIFE and ARCHOSAURIA and especially for his drawings, however, I never could wrap my mind around an adult Triceratops having a fatty hump behind its squamosal bone shield which would as the narrator of this video so rightly states immobilize its neck or at least restrict its movements which does not make sense since it had a ball-in-socket joint in its neck for mobility of same along with its shield presumably for protection against predators although the variety of these shields in other ceratopsian dinosaurs obviously was not actively for defense against predators but for display or both. Up to this time I have been completely mystified as to the tall dorsal spines in spinosaurids and in hadrosaurids. This video offers a plausible explanation to me for the first time.

[@WHACK_space_rock]

His book, "The Animals Among Us" is a good read as well, with many great illustrations...

[@chubibi06]

Yeah ! Another video on ceratopsian ; my favorite critters. Thanks E.D.G.E ! So the ceratopsian were back-heavy ? Makes sense. The weight had to be balanced between the front of the body, supporting the head's bony display, and the back. Moreover, an heavy, and probably muscular back would probably allow the animal to shift its body from side to side, while staying in place. That coupled with a flexibe neck, and we get an animal that could hardly get flanked ; or flee if necessary. . . Something halfway between a hadrosaur and an ankylosaur.

[@paleoph6168]

You've made a PaleoFail video similar to this, is this a reboot? Why is the old PaleoFail series dead? :(

[@EDGEscience]

I figured there doesn't need to be another extra series when I can just make all of the paleo fails 'normal' videos. Same can kinda go for the paleo mysteries unfortunately.

[@dominiclindus2535]

Great video, but for future reference, the artist who's work you feature at 6:30 is RAY Troll, not Rick Troll.

[@wumboqwark]

Top notch content, king 🔥👑

[@101jir]

2:27 My first thought: To what end? Why would an herbivore need a biteforce that extreme, especially when its horns would be a far more useful weapon in combat.

[@austinhinton3944]

Horns are more for combating against members of your own species, even modern ungulates will kick and stab with their hooves at predators, than use their horns/antlers. But yes, no herbivore needs a biteforce THAT strong. Unless it was chomping oak trees in half.

[@101jir]

@@austinhinton3944 Thanks for that info. I have a passing interest in the subject, so my post was moreso a reaction based on my impressions than a statement of fact, just to make that clear. Always nice to learn something, appreciate it.

[@Ankylosaurus_mangiventris]

Hi, Edge

[@J0J0Reference]

YO I HEAR THAT ZOO TYCOON MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND! Nostalgia blast is an understatement.

[@willedwards4782]

the thing that hit me hardest with this video was the fact that grass wasn't really a thing in the Mesozoic. I'm sitting here like15 minutes later in silence so struck.

[@generaldissatisfaction5397]

There were fern prairies though.

[@willedwards4782]

@@generaldissatisfaction5397 omg wHAT im obsessed with this idea

[@ivangigliotti3693]

actually we have grass fossils dating back to the mid(?) cretaceous

[@ivangigliotti3693]

he says "like there are today". there was grass, but small amounts and it looked different

[@brianedwards7142]

I love speculation about dino soft tissues. I'm on board with the brachiosaur dewlap though. That neck is a natural flagpole

[@luutas]

The background music is on point 👌 Especially the Enya song in the end hahaha

[@jvjv8093]

So this is the other Jon who was a paleontologist and not the music artist who I primarily knew from the Song "So Close" which was from the movie, Enchanted. How interesting.

[@relieveddimetrodon9058]

Hey think you could do a video on Lusotitan there isn’t much out there for it so was wondering if u could look into it

[@SleepySloth2705]

1:37 Question: Since the skull's attachment to the spine was a balljoint, where would the spinal cord go?

[@EDGEscience]

spinal cords run along the top of the center of the spine, not through it. The cords and nerves would just go up and around the ball joint.

[@user-tzzglsstle585e38]

Really cool video and I pretty much have nothing left to say other than good bgm.

[@MattGodzilla2000]

The unfortunate thing here is it'd make sense to compare it to bird spine ridges but....they don't really have any.

[@Parasaurolophus476]

I bet T-Rex wishes triceratops had a big meaty hump. It would have imobilized those dangerous horns and added an extra 3-4 hundred pounds of tasty meat.

[@steveirwin3594]

AWW BRO IS THAT ZOO TYCOON MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND? I knew there was a good reason I subscribed to you.

[@NovaNocturneArt]

2:00 Is that natural history museum up at the U?

[@Mecha-YT]

The Zoo Tycoon music at the start puts a massive smile on my face.

[@ryansmith-sounddesigner7831]

It was actually my cover. At first I was ticked off because he didn’t gave credit, but that was when I was too unaware for the end credits. Now, I’m glad he included the remix in the credits.

[@Pollenoverponds]

Well now I want three out of print expensive dinosaur books. THANKS.

[@NickWeissMusic]

Good point regarding appreciating “unusual” thinking. The only thing we are truly sure of, is that we have no idea what any dinosaur actually looked like. Quadruped dinosaurs in general are still mostly depicted as too mammalian for my taste, with loping, slow movement. Logically they’d be more bird-like/reptilian. Even chameleons are a hodgepodge of very slow and very fast movement. Yet we never see a triceratops scratching at the ground, a sauropod bobbing or tilting its head, etc. You know, bird stuff.

[@saurongor]

that sounds like a description of a cryptid named emela-ntooka, who is described as dinosaur-like and also has a hump behind his shield

[@kn6706]

That man said Lewis Dodgeson, the Jurassic Park character! Thought we wouldn't notice. But we did.

[@richardcharay7788]

Interesting and informative, thanks!

[@t-rexstudioproductions781]

“Dinosaurs tend to store their fat in their a**” Triceratops is one Thicc boi right there

[@bluevalkyrie2517]

"I am a rather brilliant surgeon, perhaps I can help you with that hump." - - - "What hump?"

[@sampagano205]

Ornithischian life appearance is something I find interesting because they're relatively distantly related to basically anything alive today. Like birds give us something, but unless the ornithscelida hypotheses is confirmed, which seems moderately unlikely, they are literally as distantly related as any two dinosaurs possibly could be.

[@sampagano205]

If I understand the tree right and the distances in time, Birds and triceratops are about as closely related as we would be to a modern lineage of gorgonopsids. Which I hope gives some perspective on the sheer amount of time were talking about.

[@thedoruk6324]

Oh God that *fleshy abomination* that flesh meat combined horrid stench of the abomination!

[@dr.masiaka7048]

Duane Nash's Meat curtains:Hold my implausibility beer!!!!

[@rabidL3M0NS]

Wtf man, I was just imagining ceratopsians having inflatable air sacks on their frills the other day.. then this gets recommended.

[@lovepeople777]

Dang it I just came up with this theory a few days ago, and now you’re telling me someone else already came up with it and debunked it?!

[@bigmama3372]

I love the Zoo Tycoon music in the background, brings back nostalgia

[@anthonyhewitt9397]

Man we have alot of really incomplete fossils. We dont even know what triceratops looked like.

[@mtdewxtreme669]

I think there was a point where feathered therapods where laughed at, the debate on whether dinos we're warm or cold blooded went on about a century I think

[@elijahbachrach6579]

2:58 Dodson. DODSON! WE’VE GOT DODSON HERE! ..See, nobody cares. Nice hat. What are you trying to look like, a secret agent?

[@faesommers]

7:48 sorry did you pronounce illinois with the s-

[@Atius]

For the first few minutes is it a sped up minecraft menu song it sounds so similar

[@CarlytheWolf23]

I mean we do probably all agree on it that this take looks pretty cute in a funny, goofy way lol.

[@nathanpvzthegreatdinosaur]

Hmmm this is interesting 👏

[@Amehtta]

great video, just one small note... The s in Illinois is silent.

[@nmheath03]

What's the likelihood of a dinosaur having a super fat tail but fairly thin body like a gecko?

[@Spiny_21]

How would it even drink or even lift its neck even slightly higher without snapping it

[@CT75674eva]

3:00 someone had Jurassic Park on the brain 😂

[@ARCtheCartoonMaster]

"Dinosaurs tend to store fat in their ass." -- E.D.G.E., 2021

[@Scrinwaipwr]

When Jurassic Park characters get mixed up with real people: 2:57

[@InvaderGIR98]

You said Lewis Dodgeson and I was like WAIT WHAT but then I saw the caption 😂😂😂

[@carl8703]

3:04 We got Dodson over here!

[@dynamosaurusimperious6341]

Oh,I didn't The Isle release a another neck tumor dinosaur,like the Trike. Also isn't E.D.G.E just the greatest with thier thumbnail and titles,cause their thumbnails and titles are so good,that they make the video so good.

[@fancybritishrat827]

What if, since most ceratopsians were larger and probably slower than other predators, the frill was used to protect the neck and preventing large carnivores from biting the back of the neck?

[@erichtomanek4739]

I thought this was a video about ceratopsian mating habits.

[@captain0080]

0:08 In awe at the size of this lad *A B S O L U T E U N I T*

[@leonardogurney5488]

Gluteus Maximus Dinosaurus! 😅🤣😂

[@thehutch4823]

I just want to know more about that first picture with the weird gator looking thing with the clubbed tail

[@20firebird]

i thiiiink its a (very old) depiction of an ankylosaur? maybe a chimera?

[@NathanielTavington]

Dodson, Dodson, we've got DODSON HERE!

[@sarmientoenricomiguelv.562]

"Dodgson, Dodgson, we got Dodgson here!"

[@NemanorTheAlmighty]

Hey that's the Utah Natural History Museum I've been there a bunch!

[@GaasubaMeskhenet]

I get so excited about out there theories. I love elephant noses on EVERYTHING

[@pirateswiggity5278]

“Dinosaurs tend to store fat in their ass” 9:34

[@xavier84623]

I think one of the big uses of all these sails was to turn sideways and look bigger

[@chat4538]

The holes in the triceratops frill make me think of those sage grouse that inflate their chest to attract mates. 😂 Idk why they just do.

[@colbymarsh2074]

I think that the typical mammalian/reptile hybrid depiction of dinosaurs comes from what animals were surrounded with

[@jorgetorresfranco7659]

Makes sense since the spoon might look like a mini hill wen fishing and can confuse the fish wen the spoon hunts them.

[@evilcow666]

Did you release a similar vid cause I'm getting deja vu

[@MrSeyker]

Look at the size of those lads, absolute units.

[@gojirazillasaurus6341]

1:29 jeez that model it looks like rtx jeez!!