Tesla Model S Plaid road trip to Folldal in -26°C part 2

[@eSUBA94]

this video reminds me of videos from 10 years ago when you tested the first model S in winter and spent the night in the car, I wonder what will happen in the next 10 years

[@tavitavi1000]

No matter what happens Bjorn is going to test it ❤

[@airestocky]

his kid is with him to support him :-)

[@eSUBA94]

@@airestocky or maybe bjorn will win the referral program and test starship and its refueling speed in orbit

[@christianlarsen6747]

Your Tesla videos are the best. The car, the software, the chargers and chrging speed. Just like the old days, as you mentioned.

[@Kalvarija]

0.9% for Climate usage is 92x0.009 instead of 92x0.09 like You said… Because 0.09 is 9% So it means You spent less than 1kW for climate…

[@davidkendall2272]

Thanks Bjorn for excellent demonstration of the MS Plaid in winter conditions. I have a 2022 MSLR with 19" wheels (405 mile range) and love my car, which also has heat pump.

[@Tiauguinho]

Great to see this overnight journey again! Thanks!

[@cypercharged]

92 kWh x 0,009 (and not 0,09) is around 800Wh, so 250W in average for heating. Simply amazing!

[@qorje]

Assuming the Tesla Model S battery is heated from 10°C to 50°C, has a weight of 700 kg, and a specific heat capacity of approximately 1000 J/kg·K, then an additional 7.78 kWh of heat energy can be stored in the battery by heating it up before leaving the Supercharger station. This is quite impressive!

[@nallebrean]

That's why Tesla recommend preconditioning with the home/destination charger to maximise the range in cold weather

[@Chrisb8s]

Yes I remember the old nimber task days. Since then I have had a volt a p85 a model Y and mini Cooper se.

[@SpenceW]

Bjorn, I think you are quite generous to the ET7 here. At 20:36 you say that the EYT7 is "relatively efficient, for not being a Tesla". I don't think you gave us ET7 consumption numbers just after the 'Turtle Mode' (Tortoise Mode?!) event, but in the ET7 video, you mention consumption of 310Wh/km. In this, the Model S consumes 254Wh/km before pe-heating, 267 for that journey including pre-heating, and 231 Wh/km for the return trip overall. I *think* the best comparison is the 254Wh/km figure, meaning the ET7 consumed ~22% more energy for a very similar journey (same roads, but slightly better conditions?). As I started, "relatively efficient" whilst still being >20% worse is quite generous, in my opinion. Please do correct me if I've missed something or got the numbers wrong...

[@bjornnyland]

Let me do the math on ET7 for you: 0.95 * 86 kWh / 295 km = 277 Wh/km from Oslo to Alvdal

[@SpenceW]

@@bjornnyland Thank-you very much for the numbers - much appreciated. At less than 10% higher consumption that the Model S Plaid, you are quite correct with your comment in the video - I should never have doubted the Ninja! One other comment: all that distance and no double sausage penetration - sadness 😞

[@fiehlsport]

My Model Y was doing the up and down HVAC fan noise when I got it. As it turned out, the duct from the HEPA filter to the firewall was never installed when the car was built, so the fan didn't have any "resistance" behind it and was spinning faster than the car expected. And, was taking in completely unfiltered air. Maybe they forgot the duct on this car too? :-)

[@matthewwiemken7293]

Never used that car in such cold, but looks really good from what you show. TY:)

[@xvaltor]

Bjørn, how is the yoke and lack of stalks now that you had time to get used to it ?

[@ericvet8b]

Great proper cold videos!! Great to see some beautiful views!! Shocks me to see in even such low temperatures hoe clear the roads are… if we had temps like that here in the UK…, it would be chaos! (It was last week when we had 5-15cm of snow over 1-2 days!!). If only Tesla could improve insulation (and sound proofing a little bit more), they would be even more unbeatable!!

[@camerascanfly]

Renault claims they also use the heat from the motor for battery heating. On their website they write: While recharging the electric battery, Jean-Baptiste takes a look at its range: up to 470 kilometres in a single charge. A range that Renault engineers have sought to keep as stable as possible regardless of the season. First of all, thanks to a battery temperature regulation system. Warmed in cold weather by circulating hot water from the electric motor and cooled in hot weather by circulating cold water coming from the coolant system, the battery on the All-new Megane E-TECH Electric is always at the ideal temperature for optimal charging and range.

[@camerascanfly]

They further claim: But Jean-Baptiste knows that Renault engineers went one step further in optimising the vehicle's electric range, especially in winter, when the cabin also has to be heated even though temperatures are not ideal for energy storage and charge upkeep. A challenge that is compounded by the fact that an electric motor, unlike a combustion engine, does not produce enough heat to run a traditional heating system inside the cabin. To find out more, Jean-Baptiste got in touch with Jean-Marie L’Huillier, Renault Engineering expert in electric vehicle heat management, who talks through the patented design for a winter energy management system that he worked on with his colleague, Robert Yu. Gone are the energy-hungry electrical resistors running off the battery to heat the cabin! The new system relies on a next-generation heat pump to recover heat stored in the battery when fast charging as well as the heat given off by the motor when being used intensively (during long trips on the motorway). The recovered heat is then used to warm the cabin.

[@Animage100]

I very much love your videos and the awesome content you make! I think you are mistaken about the percentages at 19:40. The percentages shown there are "battery percentages", because if you add up all the differences it is the number shown above as "8.6% less than projection" which is also shown as a "battery percentage". -3.6% -6.7% +1.7% = 8.6%

[@carmacom]

7:49 correct me if I’m wrong but I believe that the old -13mod S without the winter package also used the motor to heat up the battery.

[@bjornnyland]

It can do that as long as the motor is spinning. But it can't do that while parked.

[@carmacom]

@@bjornnyland I know it does when driving, but that was not what I thought of. I believe the first S without winter package (no ptc battery heater) could use the inverter to power the motor so that it wouldn’t turn only make heat.

[@SuperUbuntudude]

Please write the name of what your eating It looks good I would like to look it up.

[@NextGHaHaHa]

hey you calculated the energy for the cabin heater as 9% not 0.9%, you were missing a zero :D so you didnt use 8kwh for the heater

[@BendeVette]

Your calculation should have been 92 kWh*0.009 Resulting in 0.828 kWh loss by climate.

[@ΣτέφανοςΚόκκαλης-τ1ν]

Yes exactly. Our Bjorn is tired

[@zbynekkriston3932]

saw that too but that means 0.25 Kw for heating WOW

[@Hiso3]

Thanks for all those videos regarding the new Model S. Very interesting. Are you planning on doing hte same for the new Model X? Both Plaid on "Long Range"?

[@ramfrancisuk]

You ate good in those days. It was an experience in Norwegian Foodie-ism

[@thorsev6960]

No zero mile test coming for bZ4X?

[@w0nd3rlu573r]

7:44 Actually the magic is in the Octovalve. When you run current through a stationary motor it's normal that it generates heat. The control of the current is most important. Perhaps they are even engaging the brakes,since I haven't seen any kind of mechanism, that will prevent the motor from turning while you're putting the amps in. Another way this could be done is with the wrong impulses, sent to the motor. It will heat, but will not turn, since the signals are not synchronized.

[@mikecounsell]

Martin: forgive me but there are very many different types of motor. Depending on how commutation happens dictates if it’s possible to do what Tesla is doing here (heat instead of motion) it is possible I assure you!! Happy to show you !! I assure you they won’t be putting on the brakes to avoid motion 🙂…. These motors don’t have brushes they are not DC !! They require correct commutation if some type to create motion and if required you can just burn power and create no meaningful rotation

[@w0nd3rlu573r]

@@mikecounsell Hey, that's exactly what I have written above. Why are you saying the same thing?

[@kristofferkjellvik1414]

Are you going to test Byd Han?

[@bjornnyland]

I emailed BYD many weeks ago and they didn't reply yet.

[@kristofferkjellvik1414]

@@bjornnyland ah I see, hope you can test it and make a video sometime :)

[@tomcockcroft9394]

When is your model s coming?

[@bjornnyland]

Cancelled

[@topgunm]

@@bjornnyland Why? What are you getting? Or maybe you don't need your own car as you always have a car from Marcus at your disposal?

[@BrianJense]

1000KM challenge to ver. 4 supercharger in harderwijk holland would be fun. Well 1200 km each way, but that's just more data.

[@neuromancer777]

The consumption is insanly low at those temperatures. its so much ahead of its "competition"

[@shahramriazy9189]

I would like see test in the future of longer times active in this condition. So we can see of the tesla’s battery is evenly good after a longer period in extreme condition’s. If there are test already i would like to hearing from you friends..

[@piotreksz5713]

Mistake IMO. 0,9% it is not 0,09. Car took only 0.8kWh through all trip. After charging battery temp was 55 C, so it was a lot of energy to heat cabin.. 😀

[@cuebner]

True. Everything on the consumption screen Is in percentage points, not to confuse people... The real power for heating was only 250 W average during the trip from alvdal charger to home. 2,54 kW would be too high. How could it use 2.5 kW with using heat from the battery, in sunlight, with warmer temps, when during the night in -20 °C it only used 2 kW.

[@piotreksz5713]

@@cuebner Yes, Bjorn make a big mistake. BTW , this car is very efficient. My Kia eNiro in such conditions consumes a lot of energy

[@frodekleppe3884]

😊educational and funny video

[@Lse380]

I use pre heating via supercharger to get max Performance 🤣 i love the alien technology!!!

[@nickfish4385]

Wonder how much improvement the glass cover could bring to ET7? Hope Nio copies the heat pump from Tesla then Nio can really enter the first tier.

[@tridruankham2657]

❤❤❤

[@bartwaggoner2000]

Classic - fossil car looks like it hit Tesla sign!

[@TeslaKägi]

👌👌👌

[@andreastrstadhammer3816]

Looking forward to a BMW IX1 test, 1000 km, effecty test etc :)

[@michlanners1550]

Model 3 Energy Display is the same, it completely messes up with battery temperature changes. It doesn't cope with the apparent loss/gain of battery charge due to snowflake mode. That needs to be fixed indeed, it makes Energy Display useless in cold weather.

[@bartekmalinowski2328]

Do you know if either of Model S come with HW4?

[@olsalvesen]

Why dont you use cleaning mode when sleeping? Dark screen..

[@bjornnyland]

No need to. Camp mode makes the screen dark. Now you know.

[@manolisvosnakidis6540]

Tesla engineering their cars for average conditions to maximize the performance

[@ivan1510doc]

6.7% economy for climate can be explained due to totally sunny weather vs average weather Tesla think about.

[@allhitstaken6200]

Your math was way off for the climate calculation and its estimate. You used 0.9% of the total battery on climate and it expected you to use 6.7% more of the total battery than that, or 7.6% of the total battery. That means you only used 0.9/7.6=11.8% as much energy on climate as it expected! How in the world did you achieve that???

[@chickenoo8]

Ah the Jafs moment... ABC! (Always buy kebab)

[@DG-uv3zw]

It puts all other EVs to shame...

[@JuzzlinOSS]

Not really. This thing costs...let me see...143 990 € here in Finland.

[@bjornnyland]

Even the Model 3 performed very similar.

[@DG-uv3zw]

@@JuzzlinOSS model S Long range costs $90.000 in US...

[@firehog]

Jafs, unhealthy for the body, healthy for the soul!

[@nialli2000]

I love Tesla Bjorn I really do. But celebrating Tesla for removing a battery heater to make a car cheaper, in a $100000 car seems a bit of a stretch. Other than that a superb video. Great mix of technical content and personality

[@BendeVette]

I think the celebration was not about removing a part, but in a whole a much better design as result of redesign with even less parts.

[@foobar6846]

I don't understand your complaint. There's no reason for a dedicated battery heater. It can dump 10-15kW of heat into the battery, what more do you need?

[@nialli2000]

@@foobar6846 it was the saving costs bit. Given the astronomical cost of the car

[@nialli2000]

@Ben de Vette I get that. It's just the cost bit is a curve ball because Tesla are saving costs. Not us. Who still have to pay inflated prices for their cars

[@bjornnyland]

Saving cost was just one of many, many advantages with using motors instead of a dedicated battery heater. You should re-watch the part where I explain all the benefits.

[@scopustv]

First

[@stefanospap6288]

TESLA's signature is their heat pump tech but one of NIO's swap station tech purposes is the elimination of need for expensive heat pumps. The swap stations have industry leading battery management technology, with v3 stations especially making a huge leap. So as the battery swap network grows and battery tech evolves, the need for pre-heating batteries and such will diminish. You will most likely also have the option as a NIO user to swap into a pre-conditioned battery, that is configured for a specific purpose (like for extremely cold weather). Tesla is smart but NIO is smarter ;)

[@docdistortion]

yes NIO is smart but not smarter. you forget that you have to build alot of swapping stations, this is the more expensiv part. how many stations are already build vs how many tesla charger ? you have to look at the whole not cherry pic ;)

[@stefanospap6288]

@@docdistortion The cost of battery swap stations is not higher than a set of tesla superchargers... not to mention that the cost is only decreasing with each iteration while all TESLA can do is beef up their superchargers with even more powerful transformers = more costly and taxiing to the grid. You also have to take into account the logistics of it. A swap station takes much less space so the rent is lower, and it is mobile so it's quicker and cheaper to deploy. NIO only needs time to execute, that's all. They will be the real leaders of the EV industry in the future :)

[@bjornnyland]

You're just talking theory. Real world is completely different. During 1000 km challenge, even when I swapped for a warm battery at Varberg and I preheated the battery for over 1 hour, I stil got only 80 kW at Helsingborg. And it was only 1°C outside...

[@stefanospap6288]

@@bjornnyland I am not saying that they are already ready for it. But that is where the tech is heading towards ^^ It is my theory but a very likely one. Otherwise, what's the point of swap stations and all that battery management R&D? The future will show. We haven't even seen swap stations v3 in action yet and they come with improvements in battery management (cooling/heating etc.)... NIO is way too young man!

[@bartwaggoner2000]

@@stefanospap6288 swap is doomed - battery form factors cannot be locked into one shape, and they will likely be WAY less profitable (probably a net expense) compared to super chargers, which can be used by all EVs soon

[@andersd6817]

“..back in the days with an office job..” 🫣😂

[@tridrean]

❤❤❤